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00:02 nalkri But can you feed them punch cards?
00:04 Exio4 good night
00:06 bas080 nalkri, if punchcards would contain the path towards a sh, yes
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00:09 bas080 too bad it cannot cd... yet. I could ofcourse check when cd comman is performed and that it then remembers to what path you have changed so when you perform command like ls it shows that path
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00:16 bas080 On mesecon signal it can start a command too. you could make minetest an alternative too unity. It's not hard to be better then unity.
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01:08 PilzAdam NakedFury, thats racist
01:18 PilzAdam bye
01:44 Kacey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tTAli2xxSA&feature=share&list=FLOvZ7LFrd6LRrMEDM5iorFQ
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01:59 seasalt http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=100720#p100720
01:59 seasalt ^can anyone help me with this problem?
02:01 Kacey those appear all the time
02:01 seasalt why wont minetest load then
02:01 khonkhortisan the remote server has an animals mod
02:01 Kacey looks like MobF... that will take a while to load
02:02 seasalt khonkhortisan, does that mean i have to download and install the mod from the minetest site?
02:03 seasalt where on the site should i go
02:03 Kacey not nessicarily... to make it load faster, perhaps, but you can also just wait a bit for it to load
02:03 Kacey after you get it loaded the first time it is much faster
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02:38 hdastwb VanessaE: I'm currently adding some facedir support in Pipeworks and I've done almost everything except autoplace.lua; I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to just have a table defined for each node definition that identifies which sides connect to pipes (i.e. {left=true, right=true, back=true}) rather than coding each directly into autoplace.lua
02:39 VanessaE actually I had planned on doing exactly that
02:39 VanessaE I've just been too lazy to get it done :P
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03:03 bas080 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2007192013%20-%2005%3A02%3A02%20AM.png
03:04 bas080 it actually works. Although i am wondering what the best implementation of digilines would be
03:04 bas080 Now it only works with an on or off signal.
03:04 bas080 It would be nice to use the msg argument so one can use luacontroller to determine terminal command to execute
03:05 bas080 Does that make sense. I'm not a big mesecons and digilines user
03:06 VanessaE nice
03:07 bas080 the on and off signal does use the channel function. You can set channel in the terminal by typing digilines -channel <name of channel>
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03:13 hdastwb Minetest's coordinate system is left-handed, isn't it
03:14 VanessaE left-handed?
03:15 hdastwb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule
03:15 VanessaE neither.
03:16 VanessaE X is west (-) and east (+), Z is south (-) and north (+), Y is up/down
03:18 Ego The left-handed rule is like.. If they're left-handed, they're evil, smite them.
03:21 hdastwb I just noticed that if one considers the X axis to point east and the Y up, the Z is defined to point south rather than north using the right-hand rule
03:22 hdastwb (I'm using a cross product to find the vector out of a node's side; turns out the cross product between the back and top vectors points out the left side)
03:23 VanessaE jeez, too much more of this and I won't be able to code on my own mod anymore :)
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04:13 StarBlessed Hi all, a bit of an announcement : https://d.viewskew.com/posts/18237
04:13 StarBlessed This also affects the media server and the Minetest server.
04:36 ShadowNinja StarBlessed: Think you used enough hashtags? ;-)
04:37 bas080 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6611 is looking for testers.
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04:40 StarBlessed ShadowNinja: I wanted to cover as many people as possible.  This is a HUGE change over, and I expect extreme difficulty.  With an outage of this size, I need to make sure everyone is informed.
04:40 ShadowNinja bas080: Try :(){:|:&}:; ;-)
04:41 ShadowNinja (If it even runs a shel)
04:41 ShadowNinja (Don't really run it)
04:42 bas080 I'm not sure... i'm not the most experienced linux user. But what happens when i run that?
04:44 bas080 ShadowNinja, it uses the  lua function os.execute
04:45 bas080 So running an program without & at the end will make minetest freeze until the other program has ended
04:45 bas080 I'm not sure what the best way would be to resolve that without having to remove the output function
05:01 ShadowNinja bas080: This has so much potential for abuse that it must be singleplayer-only.
05:01 bas080 ShadowNinja, good point!!!
05:01 bas080 I will add some password or other form of security.
05:01 bas080 But to be safe people that do not know what they are doing should indeed only run it singleplayer
05:02 bas080 or privs
05:06 bas080 ShadowNinja, If i would restrict access to terminals because one does not have the "terminal" priv, would that be safe?
05:07 hdastwb nope; turns out that the vector still points out the right side of the node, because the right-hand rule doesn't work correctly in left-handed coordinate spaces anyway…
05:10 bas080 ShadowNinja, not nice to send me a fork bomb.
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05:11 bas080 i'm not the type that inserts every command one sends me but what if had trusted you, could it break my computer?
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05:34 sfan5 "this site [...] is listed as "open-source" [...] so anything, even nonsense is "meant" to be welcome. " ~DeepGaze in a PM
05:34 sfan5 ^ wat?
06:02 hdastwb 6d facedir tubes incoming: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/pull/48
06:04 hdastwb it still needs the tube side routing table defined for each of the technic components in the technic mod though, so I'll look at pull-requesting that of them tomorrow
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08:51 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Friday, and happy Soyuz 14 Landing Day! :-D
08:57 Calinou hi
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09:18 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=100749#p100749
09:18 Calinou le 2 FPS
09:18 Calinou hi Taoki
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09:28 Taoki hi
09:29 sfan5 hi
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09:32 Zeg9 Hello !
09:40 iqualfragile i once played a game and had 2 SPF!
09:41 iqualfragile Calinou: try changing your buildfile so gcc gets the option -mach=native, that should speed up calculations a bit
09:41 sfan5 iqualfragile: you mean -march=native right?
09:42 iqualfragile ah, yes, sorry, typo
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10:18 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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10:28 Elench Sorry PilzAdam I was asleep
10:29 Elench So didn't know I was join spamming
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11:49 Calinou le new minecraft launcher design
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12:49 john_minetest Calinou: Is there a windows build with it yet?
12:50 Calinou it's java
12:50 Calinou so it works on any OS supporting java
12:52 PilzAdam lol, "mc works on every OS"
12:52 PilzAdam suuuuuuuuure
12:54 john_minetest oh, minecraft...
12:54 john_minetest I read "minetest"
12:54 john_minetest And java seems to be not very portable when advanced functions are used.
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13:01 Calinou PilzAdam: it does
13:01 Calinou works on windows, OS X and linux
13:01 Calinou better than minetest which has slippery OS X compatibility
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13:39 NekoGloop I forget: how many items will a single piece of coal cook in a normal furnace in minetest? I don't think I ever bothered to figure out :P
13:41 PilzAdam 13 or 14 IIRC
13:43 NekoGloop I'm playing in a mapgen v7 world without any biomes
13:43 NekoGloop Living off of my treasure chests :P
13:44 NekoGloop 13 it would seem
13:45 NekoGloop (with normal cooktimes in the recipe)
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14:04 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/7pgSlsN.png This was made without any trees in the world.
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14:22 NekoGloop gah, will something please break this damn steel block
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15:02 PilzAdam VanessaE, please re-check https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/257
15:02 PenguinDad !c the answer to life, the universe and everything
15:02 MinetestBot 42
15:03 Kacey huh... that is the second person i know to go missing this month...
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15:04 PenguinDad Kacey: Who?
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15:07 NakedFury kaeza?
15:12 john_minetest hi OldCoder.
15:12 OldCoder john_minetest, Hello. My worlds will return shortly. My server host has returned from Europe.
15:13 OldCoder He is switching upstream ISPs. When that is done I will get a full range of ports again.
15:13 john_minetest Nice. Will the server run the newest version then?
15:13 OldCoder When LevelDB is supported I will try to update. Not until then.
15:13 OldCoder I may try to merge LevelDB with upstream myself. But I have been told this may require more time than I have.
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15:40 PilzAdam bbl
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15:51 hoodedice Hello
16:01 nalkri Is it possible to do server→server teleportation?
16:02 * Jordach starts on Sam III
16:03 NekoGloop "PilzAdam: Why can't you get it right the first time, you fucking idiot"
16:05 Jordach NekoGloop, i'm taking the piss
16:05 * Jordach already is fine with Sam II
16:05 Jordach i'm just trying a new technique in my skinning
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16:05 NekoGloop (that was my PA impression)
16:06 Jordach NekoGloop, that's 100% accurate
16:13 sfan5 nalkri: no
16:14 nalkri sfan5: thanks :)
16:14 nalkri I guess I'll be using layers
16:17 Jordach sfan5, i've finally worked out how to do a REAL checkered style shirt
16:20 Jordach (the word for said checker style is plaid; btw)
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16:21 Jordach name a character: i'll skin it
16:23 sfan5 hm
16:24 Calinou [insert pony name here]
16:24 * Calinou runs
16:26 Jordach sfan5, Calinou: http://i.imgur.com/oC9auoN.png
16:26 Jordach prototype wheatley skin
16:27 Jordach Calinou, http://i.imgur.com/RxcGSLa.png
16:29 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/4kMfalX.png
16:30 Jordach and to think the other users are as good as skinning as me?
16:31 ShadowNinja bas080: "<ShadowNinja> (Don't really run it)" And no, that would not be safe because Minetest sends all data, including passwords, in plain text.
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16:33 RealBadAngel hi all
16:39 NakedFury hi RBA
16:50 sfan5 ShadowNinja: what is that conversation about?
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16:52 ShadowNinja sfan5: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6611
16:53 sfan5 mhm
16:53 sfan5 what about encryption?
16:53 sfan5 and using DHE for the keys?
16:53 sfan5 ...
16:54 sfan5 there's no client side lua... damn
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16:55 ShadowNinja You could use something like a SSH tunnel. But that would be a lot of trouble and would likely be very slow.
16:55 sfan5 client side lua would be very helpful...
16:55 sfan5 but I don't think lua callback for formspec will get added
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17:17 whirm I'm having trouble using electric devices in technic_game, I connected 3 coal generators to a battery box as usual and it doesn't work at all (coal burns, but the battery box doesn't charge)
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17:21 nalkri whirm: I think you need a switching station
17:23 whirm nalkri: thanks, Ill build one
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17:24 whirm nalkri: wow, it needs a lot of materials
17:25 nalkri yep
17:25 nalkri I've not managed anything useful in technic yet
17:29 whirm RealBadAngel: don't you think requiring a switching power supply is a big too much to be a requisite to do anything at all with electricity?
17:29 * whirm doesn't know how to english
17:30 RealBadAngel the solution is way better for mod to have one element that takes care about the circuit than dozens of batboxes doing the same and killing the performance
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17:33 whirm RealBadAngel: then maybe it should be easier to build?
17:35 RealBadAngel technic is not about being easy. its about gathering more and more resources and building complicated stuff ;)
17:36 nalkri It's about being really really hard to get started on :p
17:36 RealBadAngel and it will be forcing you to dig for even more resources
17:37 whirm RealBadAngel: I meant that the start curve is too high
17:37 Calinou it isn't that high IMO, read the documentation
17:37 RealBadAngel start with coal driven machines
17:37 RealBadAngel electricity havent popped out in one day :)
17:39 RealBadAngel i could make the recipe use one ingot, 2 pieces of wood or somethin like that, to make it EASY
17:39 whirm Calinou: what documentation? I looked for it for a while and I only could find a very basic wiki (https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/wiki)
17:39 RealBadAngel but what for? player will loose the goal to get
17:40 whirm RealBadAngel: heh, but maybe there could be 3 tiers of switching power supplies, so one can start with LV, then MV, then HV, instead of having to build a thing that uses tech from the three levels only to be able to use the first one
17:41 RealBadAngel thats actually a good point
17:41 Calinou the very basic wiki was enough for me
17:41 RealBadAngel maybe we will split it into 3 tiers in the future
17:43 whirm all the logic can be in the LV one, but you need to stack the 3 to be able to use the 3 levels, that would make sense
17:43 Ego Just play technic on creative, then it's SUPER easy!
17:45 whirm :) then its no fun at all
17:47 nalkri I still find it confusing with mesecon and technic
17:48 VanessaE hi all
17:49 Jordach hey VanessaE
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17:49 Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 3000
17:49 Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 30000
17:49 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:3000 seems to be down
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17:52 RealBadAngel hi VanessaE
17:52 VanessaE hey
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17:55 VanessaE what's news?
17:56 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/838
17:57 Calinou +1
17:57 RealBadAngel i changed lotsa files and bumped protocol version to get such little thingy ;)
17:57 VanessaE RealBadAngel: looky what hdastwb did:  https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/pull/48
17:57 * VanessaE is afraid to merge it :P
17:58 Jordach muahaha: my brother is using a 64bit os
17:58 Jordach it's slower than me using 32bit
17:58 ShadowNinja RealBadAngel: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/commit/f8eec473a7da86ed3e43bafbd46054ae10764616#L1R695 <-- Should be CE_PLAYER_BREATH.
17:59 VanessaE #838 looks like a good idea, for sure
18:00 Calinou Jordach: if he has little RAM, that is normal
18:00 Calinou but even 64 bit xubuntu runs fine on my netbook, which has 1GB RAM
18:00 Jordach Calinou, 4gb
18:00 Calinou also, take storage and CPU into account
18:00 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, huh, like really, wonder then why it works in the first place :)
18:00 Jordach Calinou, intel duo core
18:01 Calinou storage?
18:01 Calinou if you're comparing 5400rpm HDD to 7200rpm HDD then this is normal :P
18:01 Calinou it makes a big difference in usual lightweight tasks
18:02 sfan5 Megaf: you can also leave out the port
18:03 thexyz http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6622 LOL
18:04 thexyz THIS IS SO BAD IT'S GOOD
18:05 * Jordach taps the report button
18:05 RealBadAngel rotfl
18:05 Jordach spam....?
18:05 Calinou lol avatar
18:05 RealBadAngel rather hall of fame entry
18:06 RealBadAngel but wonder which category ;)
18:06 Jordach s/fame/shame
18:07 RealBadAngel he was registered before
18:08 RealBadAngel look at picture link and http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=2477
18:09 Calinou http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=100763#p100763
18:09 Calinou TIL lkjoel is a brony
18:10 Jordach TIL Calinou is a brony
18:10 Jordach </troll>
18:11 thexyz > mostly straight
18:12 thexyz didn't he quit though?
18:12 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, its actually good. it should be CEE_PLAYER_BREATH. just CE_PLAYER_BREATH is not needed at all, i will remove its definition
18:12 Calinou thexyz: he did, see his signature
18:13 thexyz Calinou: why does he continue to post?
18:13 * Calinou shrugs
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18:23 RealBadAngel can somebody test https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/838 ?
18:23 Megaf thanks sfan5
18:24 Calinou "testing? oh, it spoils the fun" --pinkie pie on bumblebee removing /usr
18:24 Calinou mark shuttleworth seal of approval
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18:29 Jordach my hypersaw doesnt care for your insignificant midi instrument switches
18:31 Jordach saw-wave + "screaming" strings
18:31 Jordach = hypersaw
18:31 * Calinou uses klein bottle, tuba and akordeon
18:31 * Calinou smashes Jordach using klein bottle
18:31 * Jordach regenerates damage
18:31 sfan5 "so i was wondering if Pilz Adam or someone else could make a in-browser port of Minetest? i don't have enough coding expirience with LUA"
18:31 sfan5 ^ someone read this and tell me how broken your brain is now
18:32 sfan5 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6624
18:32 Calinou echo "so i was wondering if Pilz Adam or someone else could make a in-browser port of Minetest? i don't have enough coding expirience with LUA" >> hallofshame.txt
18:32 Ego Where do I read this hallofshame.txt?
18:33 sfan5 just do "wget http://10.213.79.4/hallofshame.txt"
18:34 Jordach !title
18:35 MinetestBot Jordach: Can't connect to http://10.213.79.4/hallofshame.txt
18:35 sfan5 oh god
18:35 Ego 10 is a local, lol.
18:35 sfan5 10.0.0.0/8 are local IPs guys
18:35 * Jordach hugs MinetestBot
18:35 Jordach now where's my !op
18:35 Jordach !op
18:36 * Jordach grumbles
18:36 sfan5 Jordach: ...
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18:40 Jordach sfan5, i am a evil man: http://i.imgur.com/2omS54M.png
18:41 sfan5 Minetest in a browser wouldn't work, because we can't bind ports from JS
18:41 Jordach sfan5, fixed: (i dont ever use .wav!!!!) http://i.imgur.com/RyLjXRC.png
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18:42 Jordach ogg for me takes 4-5 mins to render, mp3 takes 40mins to render
18:42 * Jordach loves using .ogg
18:43 Calinou ogg ftw
18:43 Calinou mp3 sucks
18:43 Calinou Jordach: by the way, ogg is a container, you actually use vorbis (or flac, or opus)
18:43 Jordach this is a P4 i'm talking about
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18:48 Jordach Fun Fact: a 256kb/s mp3 of this song is the same size as a 450kb/s ogg
18:48 Calinou usually you don't go over 320kbps anyway
18:48 Calinou 320kbps/44khz/16bit is usually enough
18:48 Jordach Calinou, i render at literal stupid levels
18:49 Calinou 320kbps/192khz/24bit? :P
18:49 Calinou that is a stupid level
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18:50 Jordach Calinou, 450kbps 192khz 24bit
18:50 Jordach in ogg
19:11 Jordach http://www.mediafire.com/listen/9hpyhtu50t1dl3x/R-S-E_-_Elite4Battle.ogg
19:15 Jordach !up mt.viewskew.com
19:15 MinetestBot mt.viewskew.com:30000 seems to be down
19:15 Jordach ffs
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19:16 Jordach someone is definitely trying to crack viewskew.com
19:16 Jordach > Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to 74.91.22.18:3000
19:16 Jordach oh, vps hardware is down!!
19:16 sfan5 lawl
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19:17 Jordach !title viewskew.com
19:17 Jordach (is that how that works)
19:17 Jordach nope, cant even access viewskew.com
19:17 MinetestBot Jordach: Can't connect to http://viewskew.com
19:17 Jordach thanks MinetestBot
19:17 * Jordach hugs MinetestBot
19:18 Jordach is there a way to reverse base64 with MinetestBot yet?
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19:19 PilzAdam Jordach, loke !b64d ?
19:19 PilzAdam *like
19:20 pehjota Jordach: It's a planned outage; StarBlessed announced it 15 hours ago.  In another channel: "<StarBlessed> Over the next couple of days.  I cant tell exactly when  it will go down, but it will be frequently up and down :("
19:20 Jordach pehjota, i cant thank you enough, really
19:26 sfan5 !b64e test string
19:26 MinetestBot dGVzdCBzdHJpbmc=
19:26 sfan5 !rev dGVzdCBzdHJpbmc
19:26 MinetestBot cmbpJHdzBCdzVGd
19:26 sfan5 !b64d cmbpJHdzBCdzVGd=
19:26 MinetestBot rf\xe9$ws\x04'sTg
19:26 sfan5 ^ Jordach, like that?
19:26 Jordach very much so
19:27 sfan5 !b64d 1234
19:27 MinetestBot \xd7m\xf8
19:28 sfan5 !b64d 12
19:28 MinetestBot TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/xyz/bot/bot.py", line 189, in <lambda>)
19:28 sfan5 oh no
19:28 sfan5 MinetestBot!
19:28 MinetestBot sfan5!
19:28 sfan5 phew...
19:29 thexyz do you even tests?
19:30 * sfan5 added an error handler..
19:30 thexyz it's not that hard
19:30 thexyz google python unit tests
19:30 sfan5 lolwat
19:30 sfan5 I made an error handler that prints the exception
19:31 thexyz then get 100% coverage
19:31 Jordach sfan5, pm it to yourself
19:34 sfan5 !crc32 Jordach
19:34 MinetestBot -145757404(-0x8b014dc)
19:34 Jordach !crc32 Calinou sucks
19:34 MinetestBot 141135740(0x8698f7c)
19:36 sfan5 !crc32 I like hats!
19:36 MinetestBot 157326156(0x9609b4c)
19:38 * sfan5 gifts a hat to Jordach
19:38 sfan5 !voice Jordach
19:38 * Jordach would prefer voice to op
19:38 Jordach because blue dor
19:38 Jordach dot*
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19:38 Jordach hai john_minetest
19:38 thexyz it
19:39 thexyz it's +, not blue dot
19:39 john_minetest hi Jordach
19:39 PilzAdam shark john_minetest
19:39 thexyz sfan5: write tests, now
19:39 Jordach thexyz, hexchat
19:39 john_minetest sharknado PilzAdam
19:39 Jordach i ain't an irssi prick
19:39 sfan5 thexyz: why?
19:39 john_minetest PilzAdam: Oder "haifun"
19:39 sfan5 I was just too stupid to do an exception handler that makes sense
19:40 thexyz sfan5: because your fucking thing fucking never works
19:41 MinetestBot D:
19:41 thexyz 100% coverage was a joke, obviously
19:41 thexyz but it's better than having zero one
19:41 Calinou hi john_minetest
19:42 sfan5 there is no reason to do unit tests, rutils.py was doing the exact (stupid) thing I was telling it to do[printing the exception message when there is one which is basically the same as no exception handler]
19:42 john_minetest pony Calinou
19:43 thexyz sfan5: there's always a reason to write unit tests
19:43 Jordach TIL you can vote on a active poll when the topic is closed
19:43 sfan5 !g reason to write unit tests
19:43 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/04/02/javaxpckbk.html
19:43 Jordach > java
19:43 Jordach > unit tests
19:43 thexyz sfan5: just grep your commit log for "fix"
19:43 sfan5 MinetestBot: are you kidding me
19:43 sfan5 ?
19:44 MinetestBot yes
19:44 sfan5 MinetestBot: knew it
19:44 sfan5 thexyz: yes, ik that I "fix" a lot
19:45 Jordach ik == inverse kinetics
19:45 sfan5 atleast 2 things are fixes I couldn't've known about before
19:45 thexyz sfan5: that's why you write unit tests
19:45 thexyz you will be sure things work as you want them to
19:46 sfan5 Jordach: can you make more things in the style of rscred.ogg?
19:46 Jordach sfan5, sure
19:47 Jordach sfan5, you do know the towns in ruby and saphire are quiet, but the battles are loud and action-y
19:51 thexyz well, anyway
19:51 thexyz you'll understand some day, huh
19:54 sfan5 ...probably
19:54 thexyz of course you will
19:59 RealBadAngel http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6625
19:59 RealBadAngel holy shit lm is back
20:00 RealBadAngel even more of them this time
20:01 Jordach RealBadAngel, LOL
20:02 thexyz you think he has left?
20:02 Jordach possible
20:02 RealBadAngel he has cloned
20:02 Jordach or that OldCoder may have finally calmed him down, either way, we dont want the devil back
20:02 Jordach "speak of the devil and he shall appear"
20:02 OldCoder Hi!
20:03 * VanessaE pours a large box of kittens into OldCoder's pile
20:03 OldCoder O_o
20:03 OldCoder A whole box?
20:03 Jordach hehe, meow
20:03 * OldCoder listens to the purring
20:03 VanessaE yeah
20:03 Jordach IRL, i can miaow like a cat realistically
20:03 OldCoder It is an important skill
20:03 VanessaE NekoGloopMkII forgot to turn it off again
20:04 Jordach (i use it to cute out my girlfriend :P )
20:04 Calinou I used to be able to :(
20:04 NekoGloopMkII You broke the power switch
20:04 Calinou more or less
20:04 * Calinou puts a pony on NekoGloopMkII's head
20:04 * NekoGloopMkII throws it into the local dump
20:04 VanessaE blame Kacey, he's the one who fiddled with the power conversion unit :)
20:05 * john_minetest puts a kitten on NekoGloopMkII's head
20:05 PilzAdam Calinou, what pony?
20:06 Calinou PilzAdam
20:06 Calinou :)
20:06 PilzAdam \o/
20:06 PilzAdam <- best pony
20:10 Calinou john_minetest, wolfgame?
20:10 Calinou PilzAdam,
20:12 * NekoGloopMkII eats Calinou
20:18 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/fQ6NyfW.png
20:19 john_minetest Calinou: Not yet.
20:20 Calinou Jordach, funniest part is "People behind you" :P
20:20 Calinou night
20:29 ShadowNinja Hmmm, how can I get the last digit of a two digit decimal number in Lua? I can get the first one, but the second one is failing in a odd way...
20:30 ShadowNinja (Preferably without string operations)
20:30 VanessaE divide by 10, take the integer, multiply the result by 10 again, subtract the result from the original number.
20:30 VanessaE of course, there's probably a single function that'll do it too
20:31 ShadowNinja That's what I tried, it didn't work...
20:31 ShadowNinja I got -4 from 46.
20:32 Jordach sfan5, rscred.ogg song type coming in 30 mins
20:32 VanessaE weird.
20:32 Jordach (its rendering a 16mb file.)
20:34 pehjota ShadowNinja: "num % 10"?
20:35 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, second digit = number - firsts digit * 10
20:37 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Tried that, must have done something wrong.
20:37 Elench /
20:37 Elench No?
20:38 * hdastwb 's cobble generator *was* too much for Rancon's Skyblock server to handle…
20:39 VanessaE hdastwb:  https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/pull/48#issuecomment-21271749
20:40 hdastwb I was thinking the exact same thing, though I have no idea how to code it
20:40 VanessaE ok
20:42 Jordach Laser Show + 3D camera = :D
20:42 Jordach feckin holograms
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20:48 Jordach KHANNNN!
20:48 Jordach rendered it was wav
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20:59 Jordach sfan5, http://www.mediafire.com/listen/h71744anx49wwlh/PMD_-_ET-D_-_I_Dont_Want_to_Say_Goodbye.ogg
20:59 sfan5 Jordach: nice
21:01 Jordach sfan5, that johnnyknowshow guy's music cannot compare to my masterpieces
21:02 * Jordach has been considering rebuilding Ruby and Saphire using Minetest as an engine
21:02 * sfan5 needs some software to cross-compile
21:11 Jordach VanessaE, did you hear my most recent song?
21:16 VanessaE no
21:16 Jordach go listen
21:16 VanessaE not now
21:20 Jordach i set my wallpaper to shuffle, got this: http://i.imgur.com/oWU9YtN.jpg
21:22 VanessaE another zombie apocalypse reference...will someone PLEASE tell me wtf is the obsession with that?
21:23 Jordach VanessaE, wrong: in Black ops 2: zombies have turned most of the world to lava
21:23 Jordach they are *super* strong
21:23 VanessaE same difference :-/
21:23 Jordach and you have to use a bus to get over lava sections
21:23 Jordach (and you play that guy in the CDC suit)
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21:33 DanDuncombe Help? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6627
21:34 Jordach DanDuncombe, you using windows?
21:34 DanDuncombe Yes
21:34 Jordach https://windows.github.io
21:35 DanDuncombe 404 no page there :(
21:35 Jordach https://windows.github.com/
21:35 Jordach try the new linky
21:36 DanDuncombe I already have that butdon't  know how to upload a mod to a repo I made
21:36 nyuszika7h http://i.imgur.com/VTVxr.jpg
21:36 Jordach DanDuncombe, login and clone the repo
21:37 sfan5 nyuszika7h: lol
21:37 Jordach it should be: C:/Users/USERNAME/Documents
21:37 DanDuncombe Clone in windows button?
21:37 sfan5 DanDuncombe: you should know how to use Git if you want to use Github
21:37 Jordach DanDuncombe, yes
21:37 Jordach provided you ARE LOGGED INTO GITHUB with the APP, you should be fine
21:38 DanDuncombe Yeah, i'm using the app. Sorry if I'm being  noob.First time on Github
21:39 DanDuncombe Now what (I get a page showing the readme.md)
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21:44 DanDuncombe Nope, fine.Worked out how to do it.
22:05 john_minetest Jordach: both windows links work for me although the first one is shown as "untrusted connection"
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22:19 pitriss Hi, please how I can write brackets (for example in lua controller code) in linux minetest 0.4.7 client?
22:21 john_minetest pitriss: Brackets? Huh?
22:21 john_minetest If you can't write brackets like in a normal text editor then it might be a but in irrlicht.
22:21 pitriss yes, in lua example code is pretty common to use ( and )
22:21 VanessaE maybe he means { }
22:22 VanessaE oh, ( and ) are parenthesis, not brackets [ ]
22:22 VanessaE { } are braces.
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22:22 pitriss Ahh.. sorry. in czech we have almost the same name for those:)
22:23 john_minetest Maybe an irrlicht bug. Some special keyboards don't work correctly with the irrlicht engine on which minetest is running.
22:23 pitriss Anyway, is possible to write parenthesis somehow?
22:23 VanessaE more likely it's a bug in the luacontrollers
22:23 VanessaE can you type them but they don't work?
22:23 VanessaE or you can't type them at all?
22:24 pitriss VanessaE: Nope, I can't type them in whole client..
22:24 VanessaE weird
22:24 pitriss so probably it is irrlicht bug..
22:24 VanessaE yeah
22:25 Jordach pitriss, what version are you using
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22:25 pitriss Jordach: version of irrlicht? wait sec..
22:26 Jordach 1.7.1 doesnt work with my anymore
22:26 Jordach mt*
22:26 pitriss 1.7.3.. so i should recompile with older irrlicht?
22:26 Jordach 1.7.3 is fine
22:26 VanessaE just don't touch 1.8, it's...glitchy.
22:27 pitriss VanessaE: TY
22:29 thexyz no it's fine
22:29 john_minetest pitriss: If you got another keyboard you could test that one. Maybe it is keyboard specific. Also you could change your keyboard layout in system settings. I never tried this, so I am not sure if it works.
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22:30 Slain hey, i need some helo
22:30 pitriss john_minetest: maybe i can try to change layout to english..
22:31 Slain i am having a recurring issue and dont understand it
22:31 VanessaE thexyz: what's fine?
22:31 Kacey Slain, what is the problem
22:32 Slain ill be playing, and ill suddenly gett error messages in the console about updater something, and i cant see nothing, all my stuff disappears, my games lags, fps hits 60's, and i cant do nothing
22:32 VanessaE Slain: screenshots.
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22:33 Slain hmm, let me load a game and i will screenshot when it happens, its happened twice in an hour so im sure itll happen again
22:34 VanessaE Slain: just for the future, "I get error messages...about xxx something" really isn't helpful.  We need the *exact* text (or a pastebin of your debug.txt)
22:34 VanessaE (because without the full, exact text, no one will be able to find the source of the error)
22:35 pitriss john_minetest: okay. so switching to US layout is working.. Thanks.. :)
22:35 Slain yeah, let me do pastebin of my debug
22:36 john_minetest pitriss: no problem.
22:37 Slain 18:56:51: ERROR[main]: WARNING: updateListener: invalid value
22:39 thexyz VanessaE: irrlicht 1.8
22:39 VanessaE thexyz: minetest + irrlicht 1.8 = broken shaders.
22:39 VanessaE ergo, glitchy.
22:40 thexyz VanessaE: how're they broken?
22:40 Slain http://mibpaste.com/grEAQn
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22:41 VanessaE thexyz: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/807
22:41 VanessaE so, ask zeg9 :P
22:42 VanessaE taoki and I confirmed it on our machines also.
22:42 thexyz VanessaE: how's that related to irrlicht version?
22:43 VanessaE thexyz: it only happens with irrlicht 1.8
22:43 VanessaE it does not happen with 1.7.x
22:44 thexyz hm.. I have 1.8 here and don't see that issue
22:44 Slain VanessaE: http://mibpaste.com/grEAQn
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22:45 VanessaE thexyz:  *shrug* no one's sure of the exact cause or the exact collection of libs and settings that are needed to cause it.
22:45 PilzAdam VanessaE, IIRC you and Taoki have same GPU?
22:45 thexyz do I need to do anything apart from enabling it in settings?
22:45 VanessaE Slain: saw it the first two times, please don't repeat yourself when there's already a conversation going.
22:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: indeed so.  I don't think Jordach does, though
22:46 VanessaE thexyz: enable it *and* use a texture pack that supports the feature
22:46 Slain Ok
22:47 john_minetest Slain: Seems your update listener gets an invalid value </obvious>
22:48 PilzAdam VanessaE, *confirm*
22:48 Slain john_minetest: Apparently xD, but i am wondering what exactly causes that, and a possible fix from this. One second a beautiful world almost ready to hit public server list and boom, its all gone
22:48 PilzAdam Irrlicht 1.8. doesnt like bumpamming
22:49 VanessaE PilzAdam: what GPU have you got?
22:49 PilzAdam nvidia geforce GTX 640
22:49 PilzAdam *460
22:49 VanessaE ok, so that at least rules out brand
22:50 thexyz VanessaE: oh, yeah, you're right then
22:51 thexyz gtx 670, everything is black
22:52 thexyz anyone to bisect irrlicht?
22:52 VanessaE pfft
22:52 VanessaE you're funny
22:52 VanessaE :)
22:52 thexyz why not?
22:52 PilzAdam maybe RBA's code is wrong
22:52 thexyz or do you have an idea why does this happen?
22:53 Slain umm, i have a fairly interesting bot with a fun tag script added, if anyone would like to see (strictly with admin/moderator/developer approval)
22:53 VanessaE well I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a hard enough time understanding MT engine code, let alone irrlicht :)
22:53 VanessaE it's possible RBA's code is buggy - but why would it work on 1.7.x but not 1.8 unless 1.8 changed the API?
22:54 PilzAdam maybe he uses some corner case of 1.7?
22:54 VanessaE possible
23:00 Slain Any idea on the release date of 0.4.8?
23:02 marktraceur Slain: Why are you messaging the channel instead of talking normally?
23:03 Slain Because the notice was created to get the attention of the target user, in this case, the notice is to everyone.
23:03 Slain Thus, i would like to know.
23:03 VanessaE 0.4.8 is coming soon but that's all anyone knows
23:04 PilzAdam Slain, you are not the most important person here, you can ask normally
23:04 Slain Yes sir.
23:04 * ShadowNinja doesn't care about releases. Just git pull. :-)
23:04 iqualfragile you can actualy message channels? did not  know that
23:04 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: exactly
23:05 Slain yes, i am a irc network administrator. well, was, before i moved :(
23:05 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: Chating is messaging a channel, that was a notice.
23:05 Slain lots of fun stuff irc can do
23:05 * ShadowNinja is currently. :-)
23:07 Slain So anyone know the issue with updateListener invalid value error?
23:07 VanessaE that one, I haven't the foggiest
23:08 Slain no ideas of what causes it?
23:08 Slain im running Linux Mint 15
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23:13 thexyz Slain: seems to be sound-related
23:13 Slain or as a mod instead?
23:14 PilzAdam Minetest's latest dev version already has this...
23:14 Slain how do i get that?
23:15 PilzAdam ask sapier
23:15 thexyz already has what?
23:15 PilzAdam a mod manager
23:16 Slain are you talking the configuring to enable mods in 0.4.7
23:16 thexyz um.. now I don't get what you're talking about
23:17 PilzAdam no
23:18 thexyz Slain: well, try disabling sound
23:18 Slain ok, ill PM him on the forums
23:18 Slain thexyz: how do i disable sound
23:18 thexyz enable_sound = false in minetest.conf
23:18 PilzAdam thexyz, the actual cause of the bug is that the player is teleported really far away, the soundmanager is just the only thing that throws errors
23:19 thexyz alright
23:19 thexyz didn't follow the conversation
23:20 Slain usually, when the error occurs for me, im not far from the spawn. i start creating a house and during construction, boom, gone.
23:20 john_minetest Does it crash or only show warning messages?
23:21 Slain warning messages, screen truns blue or black, game begins to lag, mouse pointer easily pops out of the game screen, fps hits 60s, cannot move, cannot build or destroy
23:22 PilzAdam what mods do you have installed?
23:23 Slain calinou mods master (only use moreores, and moreblocks), beds, mobs, homedecor, hud, weather
23:24 PilzAdam can you try if it reproduces without the beds mod?
23:24 VanessaE homedecor \o/
23:24 Kacey well so far this summer, 2 people i know have gone missing, 1 has run away and another got busted smoking by the police... great -_-
23:25 PilzAdam Kacey, like IRL?
23:25 Kacey yes
23:25 Slain well, i deleted the world, but i can create a world, and if it hits, disable beds, relaunch and tell you of the outcome
23:26 Slain \i dont think its your beds mod however
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23:26 Guest48546 How do I delete a repo from Github?
23:27 VanessaE why would you want to?
23:27 PilzAdam oh, I forgot to add "This is the official GitHub help channel" to the topic
23:27 PilzAdam my fault
23:27 Guest48546 It is unneede and empty
23:27 VanessaE Guest48546: look in the settings for that repo.
23:27 Guest48546 My repo, that is
23:28 VanessaE there's a delete option at the bottom of the page
23:28 Exio4 hi
23:28 VanessaE greetz, exio
23:29 Guest48546 Thanks, vannessae. Also, the github repo wiki function, does this mean I can make a mod wiki for my mod?
23:29 VanessaE that, I don't know
23:29 VanessaE never used that part.
23:30 Exio4 i'm using a windoze pc with a dual core pentium
23:30 Exio4 and a huge resolution
23:30 Exio4 and my old%outdated liveusb doesn't work :(
23:30 Exio4 plus spanish keymap for the keyboard, :(
23:36 john_minetest Guest48546: Yes, that github wiki function allows you to make a small wiki.
23:36 Guest48546 Cool!
23:36 Peacock How big is the average gamepack (in mbs)
23:37 VanessaE it varies.  minetest_game is only a few megs, while mine is in the 15MB range
23:38 Peacock :/ using a 4mb one and people timeout
23:38 VanessaE the size of the game mode doesn't much matter, people timeout even on minetest_game
23:38 VanessaE it's usually because the client crashes
23:39 Peacock but every single user? (was public for 2 hours)
23:39 VanessaE yup
23:39 VanessaE it happens.  a LOT
23:39 PilzAdam Peacock, mbs means "Megabyte per second", what you mean would be MBs
23:39 Exio4 shouldn´t happen a lot with the latest git release
23:40 Peacock mbs = megabytes
23:40 Peacock or would have written mb/s
23:40 VanessaE PilzAdam: mbs would be megabits/sec.  MBs would be megabytes/sec :P
23:40 PilzAdam you have to capitalize M and B
23:40 Exio4 Megabit, Megabyte
23:40 Exio4 Megaupload (?)
23:40 VanessaE megaupload is dead :)
23:40 Exio4 i know
23:40 VanessaE (long live whatever it was that replaced it)
23:40 PilzAdam Megaman
23:41 Peacock Marion Barry? is it time for another shipment already
23:41 Slain PilzAdam: The error hit again, and i disabled the beds mod and reloaded, and its still messed up
23:41 Slain background is grey
23:41 Peacock ok so at least timeout not due to size
23:41 john_minetest PilzAdam: MBs means Megabytes*seconds.
23:41 Exio4 damn
23:41 PilzAdam Slain, teleport back and see if you get teleported far away again without the mod
23:41 VanessaE Peacock: nope, the size of the game just determines the download time, but it won't usually cause a timeout
23:42 Slain explain how?
23:42 Exio4 i don't get used to not have middle click paste
23:42 PilzAdam john_minetest, you forgot that the english language is all fucked up about units, in german you would be right
23:42 PilzAdam but the english wikipedia says mbs = megabit per second
23:42 Exio4 6inch+6inch = 1 feet
23:42 Exio4 that is fucked up.
23:42 VanessaE PilzAdam: even worse, mebi- vs mega
23:42 john_minetest PilzAdam: On TV they always say "kmh". I always add "^-1" :D
23:43 Peacock don't start a fight over my use of mbs :/
23:43 Slain PilzAdam: What do you mean teleport back?
23:43 PilzAdam Slain, /teleport 0,10,0
23:43 john_minetest "kmh⁻¹" is correct when you want to say "km/h"
23:44 Peacock those signs are only suggestions
23:44 PilzAdam john_minetest, my driving instructor says only "km"
23:44 PilzAdam "you can drive 50 km in the city"
23:44 VanessaE Slain: and then fly up a bit, in case you still end up underground
23:44 PilzAdam wtf?!
23:44 john_minetest PilzAdam: Maybe it doesn't have much fuel :D
23:45 VanessaE well 50 km or 50 km/h is certainly pretty easily done in most cities :P
23:47 PilzAdam why doesnt the USA use SI?
23:47 VanessaE officially, it does.
23:47 VanessaE and in fact for a while even our speed limit signs were
23:47 Peacock SI?
23:47 john_minetest m/s... lol
23:47 VanessaE SI =metric
23:47 VanessaE for reasons of inertia and politics, it got changed back to imperial
23:47 PilzAdam Peacock, suddenly: wikipedia
23:47 Slain Ok, so when i fly up, i get up and i can see the sun and the sky, if its night stars and moon, im flown all the way to the top. i disable fly and the screen slowly transitions back into grey
23:48 Slain the only setting i have enabled is Preload Item Visuals
23:48 Peacock SI = spanish for yes, metric = english for metric :p
23:48 VanessaE Slain: the grey is a normal result of the map not loading, fwiw...why the map didn't load, is a different matter
23:48 VanessaE Peacock: SI != sí
23:48 Exio4 Peacock: spanish, too
23:48 Exio4 sí in spanish
23:48 Exio4 er, italian
23:48 PilzAdam john_minetest, do you know the fist formula to convert km/h in m/s?
23:48 Exio4 si in italian, sí in spanish
23:48 Peacock i dont have that symbol on my keyboard :/
23:49 john_minetest PilzAdam: Iirc it was something with 3.6
23:49 PilzAdam 0.3*v
23:49 john_minetest km/h / 3,6
23:49 VanessaE Peacock: X11 compose :)
23:49 PilzAdam john_minetest, PI * thumb, that is
23:49 VanessaE (I bound it to the "menu" key, since that's otherwise useless)
23:49 Guest48546 Does anyone know how to show a crafting recipe in github (wiki function) without using screenshots?
23:50 VanessaE Guest48546: the other common way is ascii art, e.g.
23:50 VanessaE C C C
23:50 VanessaE - S -
23:50 VanessaE - S -
23:50 Peacock ascii = sounds like ass key
23:50 john_minetest PilzAdam: Pi*thumb equals 0. Says my calculator. TI 83 plus iirc.
23:50 VanessaE which becomes a stone pick
23:50 PilzAdam john_minetest, no; I calculate it once, "thumb" is something like 1.25 cm²
23:51 PilzAdam +d
23:51 Guest48546 VannessaE: That doesn't work because it just shows it like this: c c c - s - - s -
23:51 VanessaE Guest48546: you have to surround the text with ```
23:52 PilzAdam oh, I forgot to add "Official wiki syntax help channel" to the topic
23:52 PilzAdam my fault
23:52 john_minetest PilzAdam: When you put your thumb it the water and it flows over you can measure its volume
23:52 Slain i understand that  VanessaE, im here to try andfind a way to resolve this issue so i can play and save and not worry about gaming and no more playable world
23:52 VanessaE Guest48546: like this:  http://pastebin.com/hBp1iLTA
23:52 PilzAdam john_minetest, my thumb is 2D....
23:52 PilzAdam (its easier)
23:53 VanessaE Guest48546: github will render text that's bounded by ``` as fixed-width pre-formatted font, similar to <pre></pre> in html
23:53 john_minetest PilzAdam: My hand is 4D. I just killed Elvis.
23:53 PilzAdam john_minetest, TI 83? we had the TI Voyage
23:54 PilzAdam you can code in TI BASIC on it
23:54 john_minetest I know.
23:54 PilzAdam I actually made a 2D minetest in it :D
23:54 john_minetest I know a few guys who programmed PONG on their TIs :D
23:55 PilzAdam it had one ASCII char per node
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23:55 PilzAdam the worldgen took like 10 minutes to fill the whole display
23:55 john_minetest I had CAS (Maple) so I didn't have so much time to play around.
23:55 PilzAdam (not perlin noise, of course)
23:55 Guest48546 VannessaE: Thanks!
23:56 PilzAdam and you got one FPS per second, which is quite optimized (its BASIC!)
23:56 VanessaE Guest48546: no prob.  now fix your nick so we know who we're talking to :)
23:57 DanDuncombe I forgot to change it :)
23:57 VanessaE better. :)
23:57 PilzAdam TL;DR http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=100938#p100938
23:57 PilzAdam can someone sum it up for me?
23:58 john_minetest PilzAdam: 1 FPS per second? So it became faster? or slower?
23:58 PilzAdam lets say its a turn based game ;-)
23:58 PilzAdam I think I got the source lying arround somewhere on my TC...
23:58 Slain so im stuck with this bug :(
23:59 john_minetest PilzAdam: 1 F/s². New unit for FPS gain/loss.
23:59 Exio4 john_minetest: 1 frame per second per second?
23:59 Exio4 how does this work
23:59 Slain per seconds squared

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