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00:05 StarBlessed I did mention a way to test it out :(
00:08 sdzen yes
00:09 sdzen by the minute no less
00:11 jojoa1997|Tablet joined #minetest
00:12 jojoa1997|Tablet ok so i need advice
00:14 jojoa1997|Tablet i am redefining dyes for minitest where would bbe the besst pllllllllace to ddo it
00:14 VanessaE oh G*d
00:14 jojoa1997|Tablet the main definition spot or the dyess mod
00:15 jojoa1997|Tablet what is the matter
00:15 VanessaE nothing, nevermind
00:15 jordan4ibanez how does this wiki look so far? https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/wiki
00:15 jojoa1997|Tablet so should i redefine them in dyes mod or minitest mod
00:15 sdzen you should know by now that dyes is the worst thing to ask about in minetest
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00:16 sdzen redefine them in dyes
00:16 sdzen makes it easier
00:16 jojoa1997|Tablet why the worst
00:16 sdzen well
00:16 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: because sdzen and I attempted to solve that issue months ago.
00:16 VanessaE and we were both ignored.
00:17 jojoa1997|Tablet ok well why were you ignored
00:17 sdzen and I still want to bash my head into a wall over how it should be done
00:17 VanessaE except that only *just* lately have there been serious talks of adding flowers to the default game, which are needed to make dyes in any sensible way
00:17 jojoa1997|Tablet so how does that make you feel
00:17 Kacey Xytest adds a way to make dyes
00:17 * jojoa1997|Tablet puts on his psycology glasses
00:17 VanessaE Kacey: so does Unified Dyes.
00:18 jojoa1997|Tablet BOOM
00:18 sdzen yes, we wanted a way in the default minetest
00:18 sdzen you know, that one everyone uses who doesn't visit the forums?
00:18 jojoa1997|Tablet you know what i will wait till they are added to default
00:18 VanessaE yes, something to just craft the 15 or so default colors.
00:18 jojoa1997|Tablet finally someone with some sense
00:18 sdzen I think my method was nice
00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet sdzen what was it
00:19 VanessaE sdzen: what was it, I can't remember now
00:19 jojoa1997|Tablet pew pew
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00:19 sdzen check notobamaland
00:19 sdzen its still using it
00:19 sdzen I prolly could remember off the top of my head the recipes
00:20 jojoa1997|Tablet do you have a download?
00:20 sdzen modification of the dye mod
00:20 sdzen prolly still have the fork
00:20 Octupus Hero
00:20 StarBlessed BRB
00:21 sdzen https://github.com/sdzen/minetest_game/branches
00:21 Kacey Octupus, you should testout Xytest
00:21 sdzen the wool and dye mods should still work fine
00:22 jojoa1997|Tablet what is with woolcraft
00:22 jojoa1997|Tablet whaT DID YOU change there?
00:23 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet:  https://github.com/sdzen/minetest_game/blob/0ac6258327e8beff14f4cd0eaab220589b43ed7b/mods/dye/init.lua
00:23 Octupus Kacey what's xytest
00:24 sdzen weren't we going to have bottles for each dye and some sort of filler as well VanessaE?
00:24 Kacey http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5602
00:24 VanessaE sdzen: I think that was the plan, yes.
00:25 * VanessaE shrugs
00:26 mauvebic screen bright, coffee ready, brb
00:28 sdzen should I start preparing a new dye crafts for the flowers then?
00:28 VanessaE better ask the devs and find out where we stand with flowers first
00:28 mauvebic prolly still looking for a grow func
00:28 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/28
00:30 jojoa1997|Tablet so
00:30 sdzen one that doesnt lag anything
00:30 sdzen :P
00:30 jojoa1997|Tablet i think dyes should be defined the old fashiponed way
00:30 sdzen hmmm?
00:31 sdzen so no dyes then
00:31 sdzen okay perfect idea
00:31 jojoa1997|Tablet nononono
00:31 VanessaE he wants brown = dirt, green = cactus, red = apple
00:31 jojoa1997|Tablet yes dyes but define it like default mod
00:31 sdzen oh
00:31 jojoa1997|Tablet like
00:31 jojoa1997|Tablet minetest.register_craftitem("dye:white", {
00:31 sdzen so pretty much like jordach
00:31 jojoa1997|Tablet not the function
00:32 * sdzen looks for jordach
00:32 jojoa1997|Tablet what is jordachs like?
00:32 sdzen jordach never made dyes
00:32 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: the issue is not how to craft them - the issue is getting suitable default materials added to 'common' so there's something to craft them FROM.
00:32 sdzen he just used basic recipes for his wool
00:33 sdzen indeed
00:33 jojoa1997|Tablet no i mean the way we define dyes
00:33 jojoa1997|Tablet there is no chenging room
00:33 VanessaE ?
00:33 jojoa1997|Tablet it is a set way aka the function and we cant expand easily
00:34 Exio ?
00:34 jojoa1997|Tablet instead of loacl dye.mix = {blah, blah,blah}
00:34 jojoa1997|Tablet minetest.register_craftITEM("",{
00:34 jojoa1997|Tablet for each one
00:34 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: that's for internal use
00:35 jojoa1997|Tablet ineternl?
00:35 VanessaE that's not for crafting dyes out of something, but for mixing colors to get other colors.
00:35 jojoa1997|Tablet no i mean
00:35 jojoa1997|Tablet the way you define dyes it is a function right?
00:35 Exio do i need to change the protocol for implement a setfov properly? fuuu
00:35 VanessaE beats me, ask c55.  he coded that.
00:36 Exio is that for jojoa or me? :P
00:36 jojoa1997|Tablet me/.
00:36 jojoa1997|Tablet ?
00:36 VanessaE talking to jojo
00:41 VanessaE note that pull #28 adds dye crafting recipes also.
00:41 VanessaE https://github.com/0gb-us/common/commit/8982c076697cfb7770f1580cdb47531a8fde537d#L2R145
00:42 VanessaE though the abm at line 201 is not right.
00:42 [0gb_us] It also adds a recipe for wool.
00:44 jojoa1997|Tablet epic fail
00:44 jojoa1997|Tablet i  did
00:44 jojoa1997|Tablet minetest.register_cratitem
00:44 [0gb_us] What's wrong with the ABM, VanessaE?
00:45 VanessaE [0gb_us]: because you're triggering on group:flora, e.g. the flowers, but if the idea is to repopulate, then there wouldn't be anything to trigger the abm to begin with.  Better to use dirt with grass for the node name and air for neighbors, use the same perlin comparison as in the mapgen code, and a density comparison like you have now.
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00:46 [0gb_us] The point is that if there are no flowers, there is nothing to repopulate. You need flowers before they can spread.
00:46 VanessaE ah
00:46 VanessaE you're going for more of a pollination/spread idea
00:46 [0gb_us] So if you clear an area, you don't need to keep weeding them out.
00:46 [0gb_us] Yeah, exactly.
00:46 VanessaE in that case it's fine, but you need to include a perlin comparison
00:46 VanessaE I get you now.
00:46 VanessaE smart.
00:46 [0gb_us] Okay ... Perlin in spreading how?
00:47 [0gb_us] And why?
00:47 jojoa1997|Tablet so what should the sponge recipe be
00:47 VanessaE use the same sort of comparison as you're using in mapgen.lua, do that comparison immediately before you place each flower.
00:47 VanessaE that way they'll never spread outside of the zones they originally grew in.
00:48 [0gb_us] Why should they not spread?
00:48 VanessaE some people might complain if they do.
00:48 VanessaE you'll have whole maps full of the fuckers ;-)
00:48 [0gb_us] Okay, and some might complain if they don't.
00:48 [0gb_us] Should I withdraw it and make everyone happy?
00:48 VanessaE no
00:49 VanessaE the person who merges it can make that extra tweak and then push it.
00:49 mauvebic why not just find group within radius?
00:49 VanessaE mauvebic: he already does.
00:49 VanessaE https://github.com/0gb-us/common/commit/8982c076697cfb7770f1580cdb47531a8fde537d#L2R210
00:49 [0gb_us] I know if I still cared, I'd want flowers to not be blocked by invisible biome walls.
00:49 Kacey Octupus, are you going to check out Xytest
00:50 [0gb_us] The radius thing always returns the center if possible, which makes flowers NEVER spread.
00:50 VanessaE [0gb_us]: maybe someone could add a control that keeps the flowers from spreading too far beyond the original zones, e.g. lower probability as they get further out
00:50 Octupus Wht is xytest
00:50 Kacey http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5602
00:50 Octupus Kacey ^
00:51 Octupus I can help develop code if I can remember lua at this moment
00:51 jojoa1997|Tablet so what should the sponge recipe be
00:52 jojoa1997|Tablet wait nvm
00:52 VanessaE [0gb_us]: the way I read your code here, each pass through the ABM will have a good chance of adding a couple of flowers out at the edge of the control radius, and each time that's done, the control radius will get a little bigger because of that latest-added flower.
00:52 jojoa1997|Tablet minecraft got rid of sponge in survoiva; and they dont absorb water
00:52 Octupus Kacey ^^^^^
00:52 VanessaE so the next pass through the abm will include the newly-placed flowers, which will have the same probabilty of spreading as the ones that spawned them before.
00:53 Kacey All help is welcom Octupus
00:53 VanessaE looks like it'll be suitably slow, but if left unchecked, it will eventually huge areas of land.
00:53 VanessaE so a perlin control, maybe with a really soft limit, is needed.
00:53 Octupus 7mins and I get to WAR!!!!!
00:54 Octupus I declared war on one game and in 6m my whole army is goin to murder them :)
00:55 VanessaE so if an initially-generated perlin region is say 100 nodes in diameter, a soft limit might allow flowers to spread 25 nodes beyond that.
00:55 [0gb_us] VanessaE: Yeah, the flower range increases. Is that bad? I think keeping the flowers contained is worse.
00:55 jojoa1997|Tablet octupus is this on your server?
00:55 Octupus Only people with a great amount of strategy play it but if you wanna spend hours you can
00:55 VanessaE voila, flowers regenerate, but they are contained with no hard borders - just lower and lower density as they get too far out.
00:55 VanessaE think of it as "the land is getting less and less fertile"
00:55 jojoa1997|Tablet i will join
00:55 Octupus VanessaE: You are able to play the game you are smart to play it :)
00:56 Octupus jojoa1997|Tablet: It's a website game
00:56 jojoa1997|Tablet oh nvm
00:56 jojoa1997|Tablet what is it called?>
00:56 VanessaE war?  meh.
00:56 VanessaE no thanks.
00:56 Octupus You don't need to war you can build and make your city better an stuff
00:56 jojoa1997|Tablet vanessae you dont like toolsizes cause it has bgger swords
00:57 jojoa1997|Tablet what is it called
00:57 Octupus It's fun except for the waiting
00:57 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: no, I took that mod out of my server because it simply had no use there.
00:57 [0gb_us] Oh, well. It matters not to me any more. Do whatever you want with the code. Tweak it to whatever makes you happy. If you take the code to your fork and make your own pull, I can remove my pull.
00:57 Octupus 3m more
00:57 VanessaE [0gb_us]: leave it where it is, I'll talk it over with the powers that be later, see if we can reach some compromise.
00:58 Octupus This guy is gonna be sorry when I take his city (no death VanessaE ) I'm just merely taking possession of his belongings :$
00:58 VanessaE Octupus: what city?
00:58 [0gb_us] Compromise between them and you, or between them and me? I'm no longer involved, so ....
00:58 Octupus Um a city from this guy
00:58 Octupus Name is G2H
00:59 VanessaE [0gb_us]: between you and me and whoever commits it to upstream.
00:59 VanessaE [0gb_us]: I learned a long time ago that without perlin controls, flowers/grass/etc cluttered the map.
00:59 Octupus He has been online so I kicked him from alliance ad declared war( you can attack or take over city which is called colonization and that's what ima do)
00:59 VanessaE they still do, but not as badly as before.
00:59 Octupus That's what ima do VanessaE
00:59 VanessaE Octupus: er, ok...as long as that isn't happening on MY server.
01:00 Octupus It's a website game ::
01:00 VanessaE by the way, it's "I'm going to", not "ima".
01:00 [0gb_us] I'm no longer involved. The only reason any of my pull requests are still up is so I can leave as non-destructively as possible. Whatever works for you and them is fine, VanessaE.
01:00 Octupus 20s moooorre
01:00 khonkhortisan imaaint gotsta tells ya
01:00 [0gb_us] If you spell it as "I'm'a", it becomes a little more legitimate.
01:01 khonkhortisan a means gonna means going ta means going to so ima is I am going to
01:01 Octupus In 7m ima have some nice gold in ma pocket
01:02 Octupus Theeeeenn colonization
01:03 VanessaE and I'm gonna kick you if you don't stop using that damn "contraction" (if you can call it that)
01:04 khonkhortisan Can we use couldn't've?
01:04 lordcirth khonkhortisan, or shan't. there's a contraction that still sounds digified :)
01:05 khonkhortisan shall not - I don't use that one much
01:07 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: you asked about a sponge recipe..what about the sponge mod erlehmann just released a month or so ago?  Doesn't it have recipes?
01:08 mauvebic http://ompldr.org/vaTRlbw/multiclight.png
01:08 VanessaE nice
01:08 mauvebic promotional material for the feature lol
01:09 jojoa1997|Tablet venessae sponge isnt in survival in minecraft
01:10 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: I don't care what minecraft has or doesn't have.  I was answering your question about recipes for a minetest one.
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet oh i will be putting up a pic with all the ores in minitest
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE i know. it was
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet LLL
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet LML
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet LLL
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet L=leaves, M=mese
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet but i dodnt want that
01:10 VanessaE interesting recipe.
01:10 jojoa1997|Tablet see
01:11 Exio what about clay
01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet and then i remembered minecraft doesnt have it so i dont need i
01:11 khonkhortisan Now just put all the promotional colors in the same picture
01:11 NakedFury mauvebic that is awesome!!!
01:11 khonkhortisan it is
01:11 VanessaE I might have chosen:
01:11 VanessaE L W L
01:11 VanessaE W M W
01:11 VanessaE L W L
01:11 VanessaE L=leaves, W=wood, M=mese
01:11 * jojoa1997|Tablet steals mauvebics computer and tries to find the pixies in there
01:12 Exio L C L | C M C | L C L
01:12 VanessaE since wood is somewhat absorbant of water in real life, a mixture of wood + leaves might be moreso.
01:12 jojoa1997|Tablet is it possible to have a craft item's texture show as a cude
01:12 jojoa1997|Tablet cube
01:13 Exio ?
01:13 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: easiest way to accomplish that is to render a cube in GIMP or something and use that as the inventory image.
01:14 khonkhortisan just use an inventorycube
01:14 khonkhortisan ^ conflicting answers
01:15 VanessaE khonkhortisan: wouldn't work for a craftitem would it?
01:16 mauvebic well if y'all want colored lights you have to push it to, cuz me alone i can't convince the devs to take it seriously
01:16 mauvebic *push it too
01:16 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE how would i do that with gimp
01:16 Exio mauvebic: is it in github?
01:17 mauvebic naw right now its just a thread on the forums in unofficial, weve already been told it would never be accepted, so why bother with a pull?
01:17 mauvebic (at this point)
01:17 Exio aand, kids fight
01:17 NakedFury why the hell will it never be accepted?
01:17 Exio i'll be back to where i was
01:17 mauvebic ask hmmmm
01:17 mauvebic it would ruin the look of the code base
01:18 jordan4ibanez so a map block is 80x80x80 a block is 8x8x8?
01:18 mauvebic it would be a bandwidth hog
01:18 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: make a square image that should be the face of the cube.  Filters -> Map -> Map Object -> Map To: Box, [X] Transparent background, [X] Create New Image.   Change the Orientation to get something like a nice 3/4 view of the cube, and hit 'ok'.
01:18 mauvebic (not my words)
01:18 VanessaE you may want to resize your image to at least 64px before you map it.
01:18 VanessaE otherwise it'll end up grainy and ugly.
01:18 hmmmm what
01:18 mauvebic so please, feel free to +1 this (http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5631)
01:19 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: a mapblock is 16^3.  A chunk is 80^3
01:19 mauvebic NakedFury wants to know why we cant have colored lights
01:19 hmmmm because the way people want to implement it is bad
01:20 jordan4ibanez VanessaE can you write that down on the wiki somewhere
01:20 hmmmm a chunk is by default 5^3 mapblocks
01:20 hmmmm it can easily be changed however
01:20 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: I didn't figure it needed documented except in the api
01:20 jordan4ibanez Well it does for fucking stupid people like me
01:21 VanessaE (which it isn't)
01:21 jordan4ibanez I think you used the wrong word to smite me
01:24 VanessaE ?
01:25 mauvebic what would be a good way to store colour info (any new thoughts from anyone)?
01:26 mauvebic if not in param1, then perhaps param3?
01:26 VanessaE param3 or anything else except param or param2
01:26 mauvebic or in the nodedef if thats possible
01:27 mauvebic i wasn't too hot on mixing two values in param1 anyhow, though taoki was more insistant on that
01:27 Exio what about implementing hardware lighting
01:27 Octupus VanessaE: I just took the city over just need wait for the suppression attack( not much of a war he has no troops)
01:28 mauvebic one thing at a time for me
01:28 VanessaE uh, ok
01:28 * VanessaE doesn't care about war games.
01:28 Exio mauvebic: it is "one thing" :)
01:28 mauvebic well hw lighting is redesigning the whole lighting system, even if i wanted to, i cant
01:28 Exio why not?
01:29 mauvebic because i dont know jack about C++ or the engine
01:29 * Octupus tells Vanessa it's a strategy game not war (war is like shogun 2
01:29 Exio i don't know C++ or the engine
01:29 mauvebic im just showing how easy it is for a newb like me to do coloured lights, hoping for a more professional solution
01:29 NakedFury make a new param
01:30 mauvebic well i know how to tweak lights and colours, where do i go to tweak params?
01:30 VanessaE Octupus: it involves shooting and defending and taking over other peoples' land and resources.  ergo, war.
01:30 Octupus mauvebic: You not a newb you coded hydro was it or the farming one( sorry if I got it wrong has been on mt forums for months)
01:30 Octupus No shooting VanessaE
01:30 mauvebic lua yeah, cpp = im a newb
01:33 NakedFury god I love kitkats chocolate
01:33 mauvebic 0-255^3 for a full range of colours, or reduced range of 0-25^3
01:34 mauvebic depends how much room is set aside for param3
01:37 mauvebic 24 bits for 3 uint's between 0-255
01:37 mauvebic if i understood correctly :/
01:39 mauvebic unless i do the binvox trick
01:39 Kacey huh that was different...
01:39 VanessaE mauvebic: an int is usually 16 bits, so 48.
01:40 VanessaE what's needed is whatever a signed char is.
01:40 Kacey that sand didn't fall righthaha
01:40 mauvebic doesnt need to be signed, color values range from 0-255, * 3 (r, g, b)
01:40 mauvebic that would give you the same range of colors that youd find in any color picker
01:40 VanessaE mauvebic: the intent is for lua to specify a value in the raneg -1 to +1
01:41 VanessaE so one should normalize it to a signed 8-bit value
01:41 VanessaE range*
01:41 VanessaE and that's for each color component
01:41 VanessaE three -1 to +1 values.
01:41 mauvebic sounds confusing and in need of conversion
01:41 Exio naah,i'm too lazy
01:41 Exio i haz a WIP-code for the per-player-fov-via-lua
01:42 VanessaE assuming Taoki intends to make the limits exactly +/-1
01:42 mauvebic taoki doesn't seem interested anymore since yesterday
01:42 VanessaE either way a single 8-bit value for each channel is more than enough.
01:42 Exio and i'm falling asleep
01:42 mauvebic 8bit*3 sounds right yeah
01:42 mauvebic and non light sources dont need param3 to have a value at all
01:43 Exio how would you use the param3?
01:44 VanessaE Exio: light_color = { r=foo, g=bar, b=baz }
01:44 Exio i mean in c++ code
01:44 VanessaE no idea there.
01:44 mauvebic barring a better understanding, id have to pass it to finalColorBlend
01:44 Exio as those values are calculated for ALL the blocks
01:44 Exio how would you handle the "mix" of colors?
01:45 Exio i mean, red lights with blue lights in the middle
01:45 mauvebic finalColorBlend detects artificial light, not sure how to fetch the specific light-source's colour tho
01:45 Exio will that make the blocks near get suddenly blue and other red?
01:45 VanessaE seems to me simple additive mixing should do.
01:45 hmmmm i don't get why you guys are discussing this like you're solving some new problem
01:45 Exio but i mean, if the value is not in all the nodes
01:45 mauvebic because you're oodles of help
01:45 Exio hmmmm: that is what i'm saying
01:46 Exio i don't see the point for it
01:46 hmmmm what's needed to be done is exactly known and has been done before
01:46 VanessaE final r = math.floor((r1*d1 + r2*d2 ..+rn*dn ), 1.0)
01:46 jordan4ibanez These 2 commits http://goo.gl/Z2ps4 http://goo.gl/s38kw solved the dye issue lol
01:46 hmmmm like a year or more ago
01:46 VanessaE ditto for g and b, using distance from the nearest light source for d1, d2, ...dn
01:47 VanessaE er distance from the associated light source
01:47 mauvebic got the code for it?
01:47 VanessaE (obviously the above is not valid C++ but you get the idea)
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01:47 Cheesus hello?
01:47 VanessaE hi
01:47 Cheesus hey van
01:48 Cheesus :D
01:48 Cheesus k i got this problem while playing minetest
01:48 Cheesus my cursor keeps getting stuck on the top left corner of the screen
01:48 mauvebic right now i can tint artificial light from finalColorBlend, but its the same colour for all light sources, obviously i want to set those colours in game/lua, not hardcoded to a single colour
01:48 VanessaE for each node you assign a light value to, you check within some limited radius, say 20 nodes, for other light sources, and do the above calculation based on the distance from each detected liht source.
01:48 VanessaE light*
01:49 lordcirth Cheesus, What OS?
01:49 Cheesus windows xp service pack 3
01:50 VanessaE obviously I didn't bother to check for shadows, elevation, etc. but that's the basics anyway.
01:51 Cheesus i had to restart my pc because of MT! :CCCC
01:51 mauvebic though i love it when people claim to know the solution but complain rather than put their money where their mouth is
01:52 lordcirth Cheesus, if you hit ESC, it does nothing?
01:52 lordcirth Cheesus, did you run it fullscreen?
01:52 Cheesus nothing at all, i don't use fullscreen
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01:59 mauvebic eventually tho i think ill just buy a game that already has cool features rather than donate to one that has no plans to do so
01:59 [0gb_us] I learned something new today. Microsoft employs monkeys, it seems.
01:59 [0gb_us] http://s10.postimg.org/kbesn7p3t/i_will_call_it_windows.png
01:59 hmmmm where'd you learn that?
02:00 [0gb_us] From an image on the Internet.
02:00 Cheesus can anybody test my hamachi serve for my please?
02:00 hmmmm how are you justified in believing that image's message?
02:00 VanessaE hamachi?  burn and die :)
02:01 Cheesus i cant port forward :c
02:01 Cheesus no ipv4 adress
02:01 VanessaE you sure?
02:01 Cheesus yes
02:01 VanessaE what's ipconfig say?
02:01 [0gb_us] hmmmm: I don't actually believe it. It was a joke. Even a monkey wouldn't want anything to do with Windows.
02:01 VanessaE something in the 10.xxx or 192.168.xxx range?
02:01 Cheesus ill juse you a pic...just wait
02:03 hmmmm 0gb_us, you are quite the master ruseman.
02:03 * VanessaE switches Cheesus' e and t keys around the right way.
02:04 [0gb_us] Ruseman? I am not familiar with that term.
02:05 hmmmm one who makes ruses
02:05 hmmmm it was all an elaborate ruse!
02:06 [0gb_us] Nah. Just an intro to a funny image I found. Everyone else posts funny images here, and I finally found one myself.
02:06 [0gb_us] Well, not EVERYONE< but some people.
02:06 [0gb_us] *,
02:06 Exio the 99.99%?
02:07 Cheesus vanessa r u there?
02:07 VanessaE yeah
02:07 hmmmm 1% of people post 99% of the funny images
02:07 Cheesus i got the pic
02:07 hmmmm #occupyjokes
02:07 VanessaE so post it :)
02:07 [0gb_us] I don't know. I see about five people posting images from a particular site.
02:07 Cheesus http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4831/ipconfigm.jpg
02:07 VanessaE Cheesus: that's ipv4.
02:07 VanessaE it's just that it's a NAT address.
02:07 Cheesus really -.-
02:07 lordcirth The FSF sent around a great email about Win8. It's funny
02:08 VanessaE you can port forward over that, you just need to tweak your router's settings.
02:08 Cheesus like how?
02:09 VanessaE Cheesus: anything that is (1-254).(1-254).(1-254).(1.254), excluding the 10.x.x.x, 127.x.x.x, and 192.168.x.x ranges is a valid ipv4 address to the outside world.  Everything else is ipv4 but LAN-only.
02:10 Exio 127. is not LAN-only, is yorself-only :P
02:10 VanessaE I don't know, it depends on your router or modem.
02:10 Cheesus so what do i have to tweak?
02:10 VanessaE Exio: your computer is its own LAN :)
02:10 Cheesus ill post screenshots if you need...
02:10 VanessaE Cheesus: you have to go into your router's settings and look for whatever is needed to port-forward, or turn off the whole NAT all together like I did.
02:11 VanessaE (had I not turned it off in my modem and wet direct, I'd be behind a 192.168.x.x address also)
02:13 Cheesus im not sure waht i have to do...
02:16 VanessaE I'm not either, I don't have a router at all :)
02:16 VanessaE hubby's PC -> gigabit switch -> my PC -> modem -> internet
02:16 VanessaE just like G*d meant it to be. :)
02:17 lordcirth Cheesus, look for "ports" "application access" "games" etc in settings
02:17 Cheesus which section is it in? possible choices are:internet setup, wireless setup, wan setup, lan setup, wireless settings, port forwarding/port triggering, dynamic dns, static routes, upnp, ipv6
02:18 VanessaE uh, duh? :-)
02:18 VanessaE port forwarding/port triggering
02:18 VanessaE :)
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02:20 Cheesus somebody try joining 174.6.133.183:30000
02:21 Cheesus vanessa, can u test it for me?
02:22 VanessaE 64 bytes from 174.6.133.183: icmp_req=1 ttl=230 time=806 ms
02:22 VanessaE ok that's a start
02:22 Cheesus does it work?
02:22 VanessaE trying...
02:22 VanessaE nope.
02:23 VanessaE did you forward UDP also?
02:23 Cheesus EGGZACTLY!
02:23 Cheesus udp only
02:23 VanessaE ok
02:24 Cheesus so... is this the end? do i win?
02:25 VanessaE can you send screenshots of your router setup?
02:25 Cheesus wat do u mean?
02:25 Cheesus like the port forward thing? or wat?
02:25 VanessaE go into your router setup pages, snap a screenshot of the web page that the router served you, save, and upload them later after you're "back online".
02:25 VanessaE for the port forward setup, uea
02:25 VanessaE yeah*
02:27 VanessaE you did of course start a minetest server, right? :-)
02:28 Cheesus http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9133/portforwarda.jpg
02:28 Cheesus yea
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02:29 VanessaE external IP should be on that page also, does it point to 174.6.133.183 ?
02:30 Dogzilla131 Can somecody help me in the new version of minetest>
02:30 VanessaE Cheesus: also, do you have a firewall that might be blocking port 30000
02:30 VanessaE Dogzilla131: what's up?
02:31 Cheesus vanessa, ill be back in 45 min. gotta eat dinner
02:31 VanessaE ok
02:31 Dogzilla131 Whats the difference among the new games
02:32 VanessaE minetest_game + common is what everyone is familiar with
02:32 VanessaE build focuses on building stuff
02:33 VanessaE survival focuses on not getting your ass kicked by mobs or whatever, I guess
02:33 VanessaE :-)
02:33 Dogzilla131 So for now theirs no mobs?
02:33 VanessaE their are*
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02:33 Dogzilla131 sorry :)
02:33 VanessaE and I don't know for sure
02:33 VanessaE hey michael.
02:34 michaeleh built the road to the chessboard
02:34 VanessaE I saw you were working on it
02:34 michaeleh took a step back in time on DarkRose's server.
02:35 VanessaE (I was browsing around the server yesterday, just seeing what was new)
02:35 michaeleh also I been leveling the land along the roadway for people to build
02:36 michaeleh landfill with stuff removed to make the roadway
02:37 VanessaE I like the touches on the underside of the board
02:38 Dogzilla131 What does the installer do?
02:39 VanessaE installs the game I guess :)
02:39 VanessaE I don't know offhand actually
02:39 VanessaE sfan5 was working on something for Linux for that also
02:42 [0gb_us] I thought the Linux version has had installation packages for quite a while now.
02:43 khonkhortisan there are*
02:51 michaeleh I was working on underground parking LOL
02:51 VanessaE damn it
02:51 VanessaE 22:50:58: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaE
02:51 VanessaE rror: error: ...test/games/vanessae_game/mods/technic/item_drop/init.lua:10: att
02:51 VanessaE empt to index local 'inv' (a nil value)
02:51 michaeleh the lfatlwhite lights light an area better than torches
02:52 michaeleh I ws doing as massive amount of digging and had plenty of blocks in plays
02:52 [0gb_us] Grr. item_drop.
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02:56 MichaelEh_ how does one properly quit IRQ again?
02:56 VanessaE what's wrong with item drop?
02:56 VanessaE MichaelEh_: /quit
02:56 VanessaE or ctrl-W since you're in a browser.
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02:57 [0gb_us] item_drop is annoying. Items should be put in inventory when mined. item_drop makes you basically pick up items TWICE before you actually have them.
02:58 MichaelEh_ just eyecandy
02:58 [0gb_us] Plus, many people fail to pick up the items the second time, leaving entities EVERYWHERE.
02:58 VanessaE I like it, but I think the pick-up/magnetic range needs increased.  <--- RealBadAngel
02:58 VanessaE often I have to step right onto a dropped block to pick it up
02:58 VanessaE particularly if I'm above it
02:58 MichaelEh_ I agree with ogb... is a pain when digging down and there is a drop or water or ... lava
02:59 [0gb_us] The puckup part makes it hard to give items to other people. You drop the item, and pick it up before they can.
02:59 RealBadAngel technic one is modified
02:59 [0gb_us] Yeah, the lava plus item_drop is another issue.
02:59 RealBadAngel and works slightly different
02:59 [0gb_us] Different how?
02:59 RealBadAngel try it
03:00 RealBadAngel it fixed things you complain about
03:00 [0gb_us] I no longer have Minetest installed. Could you just tell me please?
03:00 [0gb_us] So items will no longer fall in lava?
03:00 [0gb_us] And items will no longer drop?
03:00 [0gb_us] At all?
03:00 [0gb_us] Dropping at all is my biggest complaint.
03:00 RealBadAngel you can throw them away and they have a timer
03:01 RealBadAngel before it can be automatically picked up again
03:01 jordan4ibanez Ahh you made the nodes delete in lava rba? Nice
03:01 [0gb_us] Ah. Well, that makes it a little better.
03:01 RealBadAngel throving item in lava burns it
03:01 jordan4ibanez not nodes, item entity
03:01 mauvebic when i drop tools, i notice 2 or 3x that being dropped
03:02 [0gb_us] Wait, lava destroys items? That awful.
03:02 NakedFury thats survival 0gb. you got to survive stupid decisions, like dropping items in lava
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03:03 * [0gb_us] disagrees, but doesn't really care any more
03:03 michaeleh wifi keeps resetiing
03:03 VanessaE RealBadAngel: oh, so I don't need pilz's builtin_item/features mod anymore?
03:07 VanessaE RealBadAngel: what about that feature that pushes items around in flowing water?  who is providing that now?
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03:31 Cheesus vanessa, im back
03:31 VanessaE wb
03:33 jojoa1997|Tablet Look and guess http://i.imgur.com/unNvzRv.jpeg
03:33 Cheesus can you try it now? 174.6.133.183:30000
03:33 Cheesus i enabled minetest udp on port 30000
03:34 jojoa1997|Tablet So guys what do you think of the stuff added on there
03:34 VanessaE trying...
03:34 khonkhortisan the signs are burry
03:34 VanessaE khonkhortisan: he's using filtering
03:34 jojoa1997|Tablet Zoom oin
03:34 VanessaE Cheesus: no good.
03:34 Cheesus :P
03:34 jojoa1997|Tablet Oh duh
03:35 VanessaE jesus H.  1200 fir needles, 1100 spruce needles, 300 trunks, almost 200 fir and spruce cones, all from chopping down 4 or 5 floating blobs of tree (mapgen griefed)
03:35 jojoa1997|Tablet Well I can't redo that cause item frames give unknown nodes if I go out
03:36 khonkhortisan This white + makes it hard to paint without dim lighting
03:36 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: I'm kinda surprised you use the filtering setting with the default textures
03:36 jojoa1997|Tablet Haha
03:36 jojoa1997|Tablet I always use it
03:36 jojoa1997|Tablet I like the filtering on lower rez packs
03:36 jojoa1997|Tablet It keeps the blocky feel without being to sharp
03:37 Cheesus does anybody wanna join my hamachi server :C
03:37 jojoa1997|Tablet Anyways so VanessaE you see anything you like
03:37 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: it looks interesting, kinda minecraft-esque
03:38 jojoa1997|Tablet Does anyone have fun run for android or ipad
03:38 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE it is Minitest aka minecraft in minetest
03:38 jojoa1997|Tablet It is meant to be like minecraft
03:40 jordan4ibanez I created something from portal finally
03:41 jojoa1997|Tablet Which was
03:42 jordan4ibanez You'll see it in minetest black when I fine tune it
03:43 jojoa1997|Tablet Ok
03:43 Cheesus can u guyz play on my hamachi server :D please?
03:43 Cheesus loonely...
03:45 jojoa1997|Tablet On
03:45 jojoa1997|Tablet Y if you get me minetest for android
03:54 [0gb_us] No one wants to use Hamachi to play Minetest. If you don't set up a regular non-Hamaci server, no on will join you.
03:54 Cheesus why?
03:55 [0gb_us] Because it's a lot easier to join non-Hamachi servers.
03:55 [0gb_us] Also, many people don't want to even install Hamachi.
03:55 VanessaE plus hamachi is windows-only.
03:55 VanessaE some of us run Linux or other open OS's
03:56 VanessaE (excuse me, GNU/Linux ;) )
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04:03 [0gb_us] AH! I didn't even know that, as I don't install software I don't need. And I don't need Hamachi to play Minetest.
04:04 VanessaE but you... don't... play :(
04:05 * khonkhortisan watches an alien commercial advertise a new product that breaks the current science barriers, then reads the small print and finds out it's not compatible with Earth.
04:05 jordan4ibanez https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/commit/3efc7c76d266d18677e3d1fad6b351c38d059d24
04:05 [0gb_us] Not any more. But when I played, I didn't join Hamachi servers because I didn't want to install Hamachi.
04:06 jordan4ibanez Gravity gun in minetest
04:08 jordan4ibanez if you point the node you're holding under you, you can fly
04:08 jordan4ibanez FUCK GRAVITY
04:08 mauvebic hamachi, sounds like a noodle plate lol
04:09 mauvebic i recently read an article about a cure for hangovers, wtf was it called?
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04:10 VanessaE water. :)
04:10 NakedFury Superman trailer 3 released today. go watch it folks. and good night
04:10 NakedFury watch it seriously
04:10 [0gb_us] If you drink twice as much water as you do alcohol BEFORE you go to bed, you avoid the hangover altogether.
04:10 VanessaE also known as hydrogen hydroxide, dihydrogen monoxide, or by the short forms of H2O and DHMO :)
04:10 mauvebic yakamein
04:11 VanessaE [0gb_us]: yep.
04:11 mauvebic i dont get hangovers from drinking six beers
04:11 VanessaE most people won't :)
04:11 mauvebic 36 though, that took two or three days to recover
04:11 mauvebic (national holiday) :p
04:12 VanessaE jeez
04:12 VanessaE boxing day? :)
04:12 mauvebic st jean baptiste
04:12 [0gb_us] Of course, my way of avoiding hangovers works too. I don't drink.
04:12 VanessaE (wrong time of year, jk)
04:13 [0gb_us] Two solutions to pick from! How will you decide?
04:13 mauvebic ogdb, you dont drink, you dont fuck, what do you do for fun?
04:13 mauvebic no weed or other drugs either?
04:13 VanessaE nothing wrong with getting a snoot-full now and again.
04:13 [0gb_us] Mock people who do drink and fuck.
04:13 mauvebic were not the ones with strange obsessions about windows ;) :p
04:13 mauvebic so maybe you should
04:14 VanessaE ok now I know what the hype was all about.
04:14 [0gb_us] I'm not obsessed with Windows. If I was, I'd use it. BUt I don't.
04:14 * VanessaE just had her first sample of Nutella and went straight to flavor heaven :)
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04:14 mauvebic a negative obsession is still an obsession (see stalking)
04:14 [0gb_us] For fun, I used to play Minetest. Now I need a new hobby though. Any ideas?
04:14 VanessaE [0gb_us]: go back to modding ;)
04:14 khonkhortisan I had nutella with honey and didn't like it
04:15 mauvebic well im looking at procedural world and blockscape, though id need win for both :/
04:15 [0gb_us] Nutella is alright. Not as good as mixed vegetable juice with lem\mon though. MMMM.
04:15 mauvebic and installing win means reinstalling grub or linux altogether after that
04:15 Lane_ 0_0
04:16 [0gb_us] Put Windows in a VirtualBox. It's the only place for it to be safe for your computer.
04:16 [0gb_us] *lemon
04:16 mauvebic how could using windows just to play games be unsafe? on second thought, dont answer that lol
04:16 VanessaE [0gb_us]: even that's not entirely safe, there are viruses that supposedly can break out of the VM and infect the host.
04:17 * [0gb_us] shutters in horror of creepy things escaping VirtualBox
04:17 VanessaE mauvebic: any windows machine that is connected to the internet in some fashion is, by definition, unsafe.
04:17 VanessaE not as much as it used to be, for sure
04:17 mauvebic i dont know what kind of websites you people visit and im not sure i want to know :P but even when i ran windows, i had fewer problems than ya'll apparently had
04:17 VanessaE but still.
04:17 [0gb_us] Great. How do they even get out?
04:17 [0gb_us] (of VirtualBox)
04:17 VanessaE mauvebic: you don't have to visit an unsavory website anymore, all it takes is just being connected, or receiving compromized ads from legit websites.
04:18 [0gb_us] Exactly.
04:18 VanessaE [0gb_us]: not sure, I don't really know how it works,.
04:18 Lane_ hmmmm, this chat isnt very good.
04:18 VanessaE Lane_: we're in off-topic mode right now :)
04:18 mauvebic i think thats getting a little paranoid, what exactly of value is there to steal on your computer thats so precious youll avoid windows at all costs? assuming you keep anyting important on the windows partition
04:18 [0gb_us] Windows was built for a time before networking, and security-wise, still hasn't caught up.
04:18 VanessaE we normally talk about some thing or another related to Minetest, but at this time of night just abotu anything goes.
04:18 VanessaE about*
04:19 hmmmm i know, this chat sucks
04:19 VanessaE mauvebic: my bank password.
04:19 [0gb_us] I don't HAVE a Windows partition.
04:19 VanessaE nuff said?
04:19 mauvebic if people wanna break in and pay my bills with inexistant funds, lol
04:19 mauvebic besides dont your banks cover you?
04:19 VanessaE mauvebic: or transfer money to places not under your control..
04:20 VanessaE oh sure, if you wanna jump through more hoops than its worth
04:20 mauvebic again, arent you covered by your banks?
04:20 * [0gb_us] starts writing horror stories to scare children, starting with "It Came From the VirtualBox"
04:20 VanessaE banks will cover you if you can prove you're not at fault, and they love to ignore that proof.
04:20 VanessaE US is a shithole when it comes to financial matters.
04:20 mauvebic well its braindead simple, if the bank wants to keep charging me fees, theyll charback fraudulent transactions, should it ever occur
04:21 mauvebic anyone unhappy with the chat: dont let the door hit your butt on the way out :p
04:22 VanessaE hmmmm: flowers, -dev.  your opinion would be appreciated (I don't remember what you thought of the idea)
04:22 mauvebic i though pilzadam handled minetest_game?
04:22 * [0gb_us] decides that if he needs to install Windows, he'll use nested VirtualBoxes. Linux > VirtualBox > Linux > VirtualBox > Windows
04:23 VanessaE he ain't the only person who has commit access, but I wanted to see what hmmmm's opinion was regarding the idea and surrounding discussion.
04:23 hmmmm flowers?  sure..
04:23 mauvebic dunno, not crazy about playing games in virtualboxes, graphics are never quite right in windowed or fullscreen
04:23 VanessaE hmmmm: namely, the code therein.
04:23 hmmmm i don't see what the problem is, and flowers are something that even minecraft classic had that we still don't
04:25 [0gb_us] I don't play games on WIndows though, in or out of a VirtualBox. If it's not needed for school and it doesn't run on Linux, I don't use it.
04:25 VanessaE hmmmm: well in short, the code looks good to me, but the abm needs a perlin check with some kind of continuous change in density outside the perlin threshold.
04:25 mauvebic if a game works and looks good in wine fine, but sometimes they just run faster/better in native win
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04:25 hmmmm oh dear
04:26 hmmmm you scan downward for the surface it seems
04:26 Lane__ ?
04:26 hmmmm does the current minetest_game do that already?
04:26 VanessaE I think it does, ye
04:26 VanessaE yes*
04:27 hmmmm if that's the case, then it's not too slow
04:27 [0gb_us] If it requires Wine, I won't buy it, but I'll play it if it's free. If it runs on Linux natively, I have no problem paying for it.
04:27 VanessaE the surface-finding code needs to be functionalized at least.
04:27 hmmmm yeah but this is what sapier was complaining about being slow
04:27 hmmmm but anyway
04:27 Lane__ go to Blockstory.Net or perish
04:28 mauvebic ugb im getting less and less pickiy about paying for certain games if it means not waiting a year for features lol
04:28 hmmmm you're adding in a separate scan-downward-to-find-surface loop
04:28 mauvebic *ogb
04:28 VanessaE what's blockstory?
04:28 VanessaE dammit, xchat just got weird.  brb.
04:28 hmmmm why don't you just put that into the default mapgen.lua?  that way you wouldn't need to duplicate work
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04:28 Lane__ its a game similar to minecraft, with an rpg spin
04:28 hmmmm in effect it'd be twice as fast
04:29 VanessaE hmmmm: I think the original pull request with that flowers code *was* part of default mapgen.lua
04:30 VanessaE but there was a question of flexibility.
04:30 hmmmm was, but now it's separate
04:30 hmmmm so you're computing the height map twice, effectively
04:30 hmmmm my idea is to pass on_generated the height map so it doesn't need to do this crap
04:30 hmmmm along with a biome map too, but whatever
04:30 VanessaE what kind of surface profile would it give?
04:31 VanessaE highest node of the named type in each 1x1 node column?
04:31 hmmmm of the named type?
04:31 hmmmm no, you don't get to choose what to call the surface
04:31 hmmmm you just get the surface and that's it
04:31 [0gb_us] I'm fine paying, I'm just not fine supporting companies that only provide options for Windows. So if it's Windows-only, I don't buy it.
04:32 VanessaE well I meant I assumed you would let the modder choose what surface to *search* for
04:32 VanessaE like stone surfaces only, versus grass or desert or whatever
04:32 hmmmm this isn't like some new API
04:32 hmmmm i'm just passing another parameter along to an already existing callback
04:32 VanessaE what would be returned?  A table of node positions?
04:33 hmmmm like, "hey, i made this while doing map generation, you might find it useful"
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04:34 VanessaE I like the idea, don't get me wrong.  We badly need that.  I'm just trying to understand what kind of data a mod that would use this feature would see
04:35 [0gb_us] The height of the ground node, probably.
04:35 [0gb_us] *elevation
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04:35 [0gb_us] From there, the plugin can look at the node at that position.
04:35 Lane_ hey peeps
04:35 VanessaE that would make the most sense I guess.
04:35 [0gb_us] Hey.
04:35 Lane_ are there moderators for this chat?
04:35 mauvebic you wont find many companies that go out of their way to make a linux port of a good game though
04:35 VanessaE 6400-entry table of Y positions
04:35 hmmmm lane_, nope
04:36 mauvebic well, there's vanessa
04:36 hmmmm vanessa isn't a mod, there aren't any mods around
04:36 VanessaE I try not to act as a mod an...
04:36 Lane_ oh. on another site i go on, im a chat moderator.
04:36 VanessaE ...yway.
04:36 [0gb_us] mauvebic: Well, if they keep it Windows-exclusive, they don't get my family's business. That's all we can do, right?
04:37 khonkhortisan site?
04:37 hmmmm lane_:  that's it?
04:37 khonkhortisan You talk like a webchatter :)
04:37 mauvebic i doubt a personal boycott would change much, and organizing a real one over a game just looks weird
04:38 mauvebic at the end of the day, a game's about having fun, not politics or business strategy
04:39 [0gb_us] No, a personal boycott won't do much. But as I sad, there's nothing more I can do, right?
04:39 mauvebic depends if you want to limit yourself to linux/mac games only
04:40 [0gb_us] I mean, if you have a better option, I'm all ears, but using Windows willingly is not an option, in my opinion.
04:40 VanessaE hmmmm: may I recommend, as the output of that extra returned value, one field per node, each containing the node name and position in standard notation/
04:40 VanessaE this would sharply reduce the overhead from the Lua side
04:40 mauvebic even return to castle wolfenstein has broken sound on linux lol
04:41 hmmmm what?  no
04:41 hmmmm the whole point of this is to not do any more work
04:41 mauvebic and the other FPS's just suck
04:41 Lane_ im so confused #-O
04:41 hmmmm what's wrong with using get_node?
04:41 VanessaE hmmmm: get_node() queries the map directly, which slows things down tremendously.
04:42 khonkhortisan Oh, we're just talking dev stuff on the regular channel
04:42 [0gb_us] Hmm. Maybe the reason for my frustration with Minetest, which had been growing since I started, is that I'm looking at it all wrong.
04:42 VanessaE and of course returns more data than is usually needed.
04:42 [0gb_us] Minetest isn't meant to be a collaborative game, which is what I wanted it to be.
04:42 mauvebic hardly news :p
04:42 [0gb_us] Yeah, but still sad.
04:43 mauvebic hence, my not minding wingames so much lol
04:43 hmmmm vanessae, let's reason this out
04:43 VanessaE hmmmm: I'm thinking of the use case where the mod needs to check the qualities of the returned surface, and at the very least needs to know what the node was at the given position - in most cases, that's all a mapgen hook needs to know
04:43 hmmmm what you actually want me to do is do all the work for you
04:43 [0gb_us] I mind. Using Windows makes me feel dirty. So I use it as little as possible.
04:43 VanessaE haha no
04:44 hmmmm and do work for many nodes that probably won't ever be used
04:44 mauvebic i mean, just *look* at this: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511150611/blockscape/images/a/a0/U01Xj_-_Imgur.jpg
04:44 hmmmm not to mention that what you're probably thinking of will be obsolete with decorationdef
04:44 VanessaE well then what exactly are you proposing to pass to the callback then?
04:44 [0gb_us] The coordinates of the node, maybe?
04:44 VanessaE I mean, the bare minimum would be a table of coordinates, right?
04:45 VanessaE that's 6400 entries per callback, max/
04:45 VanessaE (assuming default map settings)
04:46 hmmmm right
04:47 hmmmm that might be 6399 entries which you'll never use
04:47 hmmmm plus a whole bunch of effort spend on actually making it happen
04:47 VanessaE well, on_generated() doesn't work that way in Lua though
04:47 VanessaE I guess that's where I am getting confused.
04:49 hmmmm s/spend/spent/
04:49 VanessaE at present, the callback receives a minp, maxp, and I think the seed for that block.  It's up to Lua to iterate through actual map within that section.
04:49 VanessaE and that's for the whole 80x80x80 section of the map.
04:50 VanessaE s/block/chunk/
04:50 VanessaE so I'm trying to understand what it is you propose to add :-)
04:53 Lane_ in this game, how large is a chunk? in blockstory, its 32 x 32 x 32
04:53 VanessaE Lane_: 80x80x80\
04:53 VanessaE subdivided into 16x16x16 sections we call mapblocks.
04:53 VanessaE each single cube is called a noe.
04:53 VanessaE node*
04:54 Lane_ hmmmm, strange.
04:55 hmmmm i concur
04:55 mauvebic its always been called a node? lol
04:55 khonkhortisan chunk: 2^4*5^3 nodes.
04:56 khonkhortisan but I think I'm missing some pherentheses
04:56 hmmmm people talk about chunks so much, but it only has relevance within map generation
04:56 Lane_ are recipe mods possible in this game
04:57 mauvebic not crazy about the term "chunk" since its associated with "blowing chunks" lol
04:57 khonkhortisan recipes are usually only a part of a mod
04:57 VanessaE hmmmm: which is a problem for lua, because frankly getting a big 80x80x80 map chunk all in one shot causes huge latencies :(
04:57 VanessaE Lane_: quite so, yes.
04:57 VanessaE most mods involve some crafting recipes.
04:58 Lane_ hmmm, i think im going to bust a vain in my head before this is over #-O
04:58 VanessaE heh
04:59 [0gb_us] I think I'll start Minetest again. But this time, I'll use a private world, where no one can complain when things go wrong. People fail to use the provided build protection, then blame ME, as the admin.
05:00 VanessaE yay!
05:00 mauvebic i always play private worlds lol
05:00 VanessaE [0gb_us]: you can always build on my server, you know :-)
05:00 mauvebic better than griefing
05:00 VanessaE as I recall, you have a library that needs expanding :)
05:01 [0gb_us] Unless there's a way to integrate an intelligence test. You must be at least this smart to get interact.
05:01 VanessaE actually there si
05:01 VanessaE is
05:01 VanessaE "You must post on my forum thread to ask for interact". :-)
05:01 [0gb_us] mauvebic has a library?
05:01 VanessaE somehow, that seems to filter out 90% of the idiots :D
05:01 mauvebic i think she meant you :P
05:02 VanessaE 0gb: I meant your library on East St.
05:02 khonkhortisan it also filters out the MehPeople
05:02 [0gb_us] VanessaE: Anything that requires admin intervention (non-automated interact granting, for example) isn't what I'm after. Plus, even most idiots can post on forums. "So easy an idiot can use them!"
05:02 [0gb_us] I don't remember an unfinished library.
05:02 mauvebic just look at likwid lol
05:03 [0gb_us] And jordan4ibanez.
05:03 Lane_ hmmm, so minetest continues development souly off of donations?
05:03 VanessaE 0gb: there is something that redcrab uses that is automated, but I don't know how ti works.
05:03 VanessaE Lane_: Minetest is developed almost entirely on free time, donations aren't all that frequent.
05:03 jordan4ibanez I am not an idiot
05:03 VanessaE we are a community-driven project
05:03 [0gb_us] It's not much of an idiot test, you just tell Minetest your email address.
05:03 mauvebic donations cover hosting for the site
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05:03 khonkhortisan minetest development is fueled by modders running into limitations in the engine
05:04 [0gb_us] jordan4ibanez: I was just seeing if you were paying attention.
05:04 jordan4ibanez I have to blow off steam somehow when creating mods, and acting like a goofball is that way
05:04 VanessaE haha
05:04 VanessaE khonkhortisan:  interesting way to put it
05:04 Pentium44 Hello all
05:04 [0gb_us] jordan4ibanez: Like I said, I was just seeing if you were monitoring the chat.
05:04 Pentium44 how is everyone?
05:04 [0gb_us] Hello.
05:04 mauvebic there havent been as many new mods lately though, the quiet before summer?
05:04 VanessaE 0gb: but anyway what I found is that the worst of the bunch can't even click the link in my server
05:04 [0gb_us] I've been better. How are you?
05:04 VanessaE server's motd/status message, which takes one to that forum page.
05:05 jordan4ibanez I wasn't but you highlighted me
05:05 VanessaE hi Pentium44.
05:05 khonkhortisan I'm improving painting so it's actually usable
05:05 Pentium44 [0gb_us] good, thanks for asking
05:05 VanessaE who highlighted you, j4i?
05:05 Pentium44 VanessaE, may I have permissions on your server
05:05 [0gb_us] I did.
05:05 Pentium44 im UbuntuNerd
05:05 VanessaE oh, 0gb id.
05:05 VanessaE did*
05:05 Pentium44 ohh
05:05 mauvebic more schizos lol
05:05 Pentium44 ok thanks
05:05 [0gb_us] Ah. One of my old names is UbuntuBoy.
05:05 VanessaE UbuntuNerd a.k.a Madchicken13? :-)
05:05 Pentium44 yes
05:06 Pentium44 :p
05:06 VanessaE ok :)
05:06 Pentium44 I like the darkrose server
05:06 Pentium44 its 0.3.1 and no griefing
05:06 [0gb_us] I quit using that name, but it was fun to use.
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05:06 mauvebic im some circles, i am known as the victor of Klach D'Kel Bracht
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05:07 VanessaE Pentium44: granted.
05:07 mauvebic i also passed myself off as a psychiatrist for two years and treated patients
05:07 khonkhortisan "So how does that make you feel?"
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05:08 mauvebic "were you ever touched innapropriately as a child?"
05:08 mauvebic "how is your relation with your mother/father" depending on gender
05:08 Lane__ Well,  It has been a pleasure, thank you for answering my questions, goodnight.
05:08 mauvebic "perhaps you need another treatment"
05:08 VanessaE Pentium44: wrong nick, sign on as UbuntuNerd.
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05:08 VanessaE Lane__: nice to talking, come back anytime
05:09 mauvebic the sanitarium is always open :D
05:09 VanessaE lol
05:10 jordan4ibanez Can some of you guys test the node_gun and tell me if there are any issues? https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black
05:10 Pentium44 ohh
05:10 Pentium44 but I like Pentium44
05:10 jordan4ibanez It is given to you when you open a world by default
05:10 Pentium44 let me finish this cache then I will
05:10 VanessaE ok, done.
05:11 Pentium44 i want to download all the texture mods ect.
05:11 jordan4ibanez VanessaE can you move this into game modes? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5639
05:11 Pentium44 VanessaE, is your server popular
05:12 VanessaE Pentium44: somewhat, but not as much as I'd like it to be.
05:12 Pentium44 :p
05:12 VanessaE too many people want pvp or survival or something else.
05:12 Pentium44 yes
05:12 Doyousketch2 it's a good one.  I'd be on it all the time if there were more hours in the day
05:13 Pentium44 Why not make a survival and creative server?
05:13 [0gb_us] Is jordan4ibanez still on?
05:13 jordan4ibanez wat
05:13 [0gb_us] "...  or whatever your blocky heart desires." I like that phrase.
05:13 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: check this first:  http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3316
05:14 Doyousketch2 getting real close to releasing my beta Minetest Live CD
05:14 khonkhortisan Someone else is teleporting me through a stargate, when they're trying to teleport themselves
05:14 [0gb_us] Nice!
05:14 VanessaE hey sketch, wondered where you disappeared to
05:14 Doyousketch2 been resizing all the textures down. then found some of 'em needed to be a bit higher
05:14 jordan4ibanez :D
05:15 VanessaE sketch: what textures are you using? ;)
05:15 Doyousketch2 signs, doors, glass, detailed stuff are 32x32.  pretty much all your HDX ones
05:15 VanessaE cool, be sure you grab the latest git of HDX, there have been many updates.
05:15 Doyousketch2 tried to make the majority of the low detailed stuff 8x8 to save on memory
05:16 Doyousketch2 well it was from a few days ago.  have you tweaked it recently?
05:16 VanessaE yes
05:16 Doyousketch2 ok, I'll do a directory diff and pull 'em out
05:16 VanessaE most recent update was on Sunday
05:17 Doyousketch2 there were like 3 textures that were misnamed as JPG when they shoulda been PNG
05:17 VanessaE which ones?
05:17 Doyousketch2 um, gimma a min to see
05:17 jordan4ibanez Okay vanessae I updated it
05:17 * VanessaE fires up GIMp to make the necessary corrections
05:19 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: looks okay.  moved.
05:19 Doyousketch2 default bronze ingot, default copper ingot, default copper lump
05:19 VanessaE ok
05:19 Doyousketch2 they still load, but not during a GIMP batch resize
05:19 Doyousketch2 'cuz it checks headers and gets a mismatch
05:21 mauvebic mmm, leftover easter cake and a war movie :-)
05:22 Doyousketch2 many I had to redo as 16x16 'cuz 8x8 was too small
05:22 VanessaE Doyousketch2: fixed in git.
05:22 Doyousketch2 k, that was quick :)
05:23 VanessaE :)
05:24 Doyousketch2 I was looking at some of these other live disks.  they got one Kiosk disk that boots right into Firefox.
05:24 mauvebic you could prolly configure a session/user to the same ends
05:25 mauvebic read it about... somewhere, a long time ago
05:25 Doyousketch2 was wandering how much I could strip out
05:26 Doyousketch2 stupid packages make it tough tho, 'cuz they have main parts depend on worthless junk
05:27 Doyousketch2 like you should be able to uninstall the email program without removing Gnome
05:28 Doyousketch2 I'm sure there's a way to do it, but you gotta jump through hoops
05:28 mauvebic you would think so
05:28 mauvebic but gnome devs went off the deep end years ago
05:28 Doyousketch2 lols, yea
05:28 mauvebic youd almost think DE devs and MS teamed up to destroy the desktop UI
05:29 [0gb_us] Yeah. And why does GNOME come with games? It should be up to the user to decide what games to install.
05:30 VanessaE it's always been in a separate package, hasnt it
05:30 VanessaE ?
05:30 mauvebic gnome, and KDE, are meant to be complete experiences, tho in gnome's case, its complete assrape, but still :-)
05:30 [0gb_us] I tried installing a lot of shells one time, to try them out. After doing so, my menu was SO filled with useless junk, including a ton of games and about twelve web browsers.
05:31 mauvebic xfce lighter, lxde lighter still, then all the *box's
05:31 [0gb_us] gnome-fallback is nice, but GNOME (3) is like a cross between Unity and GNOME2. It's not good.
05:31 VanessaE XFCE Is Your Friend â„¢
05:32 mauvebic well both gnome and windows are backtracking on those awful decisions now
05:32 Doyousketch2 gnome-fallback wishes it were gnome 2
05:33 Doyousketch2 still not as customizable
05:33 mauvebic well, no one was surprised when miguel defected
05:33 mauvebic after defecating on gnome
05:35 mauvebic though i miss the uniformity of gnome 2
05:35 [0gb_us] Cinnamon is also nice. It has a GNOME2-like feel.
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05:37 Doyousketch2 cinnamon is nice, but I worry that it'll have a short life-span
05:37 [0gb_us] I also can't find a package for it.
05:38 [0gb_us] And it's more resource intensive than gnome-fallback.
05:38 [0gb_us] I wonder if I can find the Mint menu to install on Ubuntu ....
05:39 mauvebic why not xfce at that point?
05:40 [0gb_us] XFCE ... I forget which that one is. Googling ....
05:40 Doyousketch2 I really like XFCE.  been using it for years
05:41 [0gb_us] The one with the OS X dock at the bottom?
05:41 mauvebic closest thing to gnome2 without all the cross-packaging between gnome2/3 deps
05:41 Doyousketch2 you can unlock the taskbar and tug it down to the bottom so it has that familiar Win feel
05:41 [0gb_us] I think it came with an odd browser, or something.
05:41 [0gb_us] I don't like Windows, so I don't want a "Win feel".
05:42 [0gb_us] I was never a Windows user, though I wasn't always a Linux user. I used to use OS X.
05:42 Doyousketch2 what I'd normally do was install Gnome to get the good packages, then install XFCE on top of it and use that instead
05:42 [0gb_us] Sounds good.
05:43 Doyousketch2 yeah, it's easier on resources
05:44 mauvebic why not install the missing packages from a pure xfce install?
05:44 [0gb_us] It's not only the good packages I want though, it's also a lack of extra junk. XFCE comes with a full set of extra applications I'd never use, if I recall. I don't need more clutter in my menu.
05:44 Doyousketch2 the recent versions don't really do that
05:44 [0gb_us] Oh? Nice.
05:45 [0gb_us] I'll have to try XFCE again then.
05:45 Doyousketch2 yeah, it used to be real bad that way.  I think they use a lot of the same packages now
05:45 mauvebic only if you add xfce4-extras
05:45 [0gb_us] Nice!
05:46 mauvebic which you might end up doing for some applets and thunar plugins, depends what you want/need
05:46 [0gb_us] Thngs should be like that, not forcing you to chose between having extra junk and avoiding the software you want.
05:46 [0gb_us] I just need a functional desktop. Nothing fancy.
05:47 Doyousketch2 gonna sleep
05:47 [0gb_us] Good night.
05:49 VanessaE night
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06:13 khonkhortisan How would I find eye level without estimating?
06:14 VanessaE your position as shown by F5 is eye level.
06:14 VanessaE 1.5M above the feet.
06:15 khonkhortisan huh. Painting mod uses 1.5+1/16.
06:15 [0gb_us] The position displayed by F5 is 0.5 above the node you are standing on.
06:15 VanessaE 0.5?  I thought it was 1.5
06:15 [0gb_us] Nope.
06:15 [0gb_us] I found that out the hard way.
06:16 VanessaE nope, I'm right.
06:16 khonkhortisan the position is the top of the node you're standing on?
06:16 [0gb_us] Checking ....
06:16 khonkhortisan .0 center, .5 top?
06:16 VanessaE water's surface is supposed to be at 0 is it not?
06:16 VanessaE khonkhortisan: yeah.
06:16 [0gb_us] If you are standing on a node, and the node is at 0, the displayed position is 0.5.
06:17 [0gb_us] Water is at one, not zero.
06:17 [0gb_us] It SHOULD be at one, but isn't.
06:17 VanessaE strange, I'm on a shoreline at some naturally-occurring water, it reads 1.5 standing on the shore.
06:17 * VanessaE shrugs
06:17 khonkhortisan The node I'm on is 67 (based on worldedit), F5 is 67.5
06:17 [0gb_us] Clay is at y=0, water is at y=1.
06:18 khonkhortisan And flatland is a few (large few) nodes above zero
06:19 khonkhortisan The paintbrush is missing the canvas pixels, and I don't know the math, so I'm going to fix it :)
06:19 [0gb_us] Check common/default/mapgen.lua. Clay is at zero. Now find natural caly, and you see the water is one above that.
06:19 [0gb_us] Also, you can chect the world configuration, as it also says water is at one.
06:19 [0gb_us] *check
06:20 VanessaE huh.
06:20 [0gb_us] map_meta.txt, line 17: water_level = 1
06:20 VanessaE I coulda sworn.
06:20 VanessaE oh well, I'm wrong as usual.
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06:20 [0gb_us] No worries, we all do it. And it only makes sense that water would be at zero.
06:22 VanessaE hm, item duplication bug in homedecor.
06:22 * VanessaE attempts to fix.
06:22 [0gb_us] THose are always ... nice. What's the bug?
06:23 [0gb_us] Or rather, how do you activate it?
06:23 VanessaE the glowlight cubes don't deduct from the inventory when placed.
06:23 VanessaE probably others also.
06:23 * [0gb_us] runs to GitHub
06:24 VanessaE I see why.
06:24 VanessaE I forgot to return the modified itemstack.
06:24 [0gb_us] No item stack returned?
06:24 VanessaE yup.
06:24 [0gb_us] I was too late.
06:24 VanessaE looks like tables have the same bug
06:24 VanessaE figures.  heh.
06:24 [0gb_us] Oops.
06:25 khonkhortisan So back to eye level, it looks like it's 1.5+2/16th?
06:27 [0gb_us] I'm not sure where the 1/8th came from.
06:27 [0gb_us] Where are you getting that number?
06:27 khonkhortisan Visually estimating it
06:27 khonkhortisan Looking straight at a node and lining it up into a square.
06:28 [0gb_us] You mean the eye on the actual skin?
06:28 [0gb_us] OH!
06:28 khonkhortisan I mean where the camera is
06:28 [0gb_us] Got it.
06:28 [0gb_us] Hmm. I don't really know then, sorry.
06:28 khonkhortisan k
06:30 khonkhortisan aha!
06:30 [0gb_us] Found it in C++?
06:31 khonkhortisan https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/player.h#L121
06:31 [0gb_us] Nice!
06:31 khonkhortisan This should be documented
06:32 [0gb_us] What are you using eye level for?
06:32 khonkhortisan Painting!
06:32 [0gb_us] Ah, got it.
06:33 khonkhortisan Using 1.5+1/16th is enough error to cause the mod author to disable larger canvas sizes
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06:36 khonkhortisan Well, that didn't fix it. The math is still wrong in this mod
06:36 [0gb_us] Hmm.
06:40 VanessaE how can I tell if I'm both in creative mode *and* have infinite item stacks?
06:40 khonkhortisan *sigh* Yet another "�" in a webpage.
06:40 [0gb_us] If you are in creative mode, you DO have infinite stacks.
06:41 VanessaE [0gb_us]: not if the server uses Unified Inventory.
06:41 VanessaE default creative mode, "get_stack_max() of homedecor:glowlight_thick_yellow = 99"
06:41 [0gb_us] Then Unified Inventory is the problem. Try get_modpath("Unified Inventory")
06:41 khonkhortisan unified inventory keeps the itemstack from shrinking on_place.
06:42 VanessaE khonkhortisan: nope.
06:42 [0gb_us] Check to see if Unified Inventory is installed.
06:42 VanessaE 0gb's idea is probably the best.
06:42 khonkhortisan Then my combination of mods does. Place node, itemstack the same. Dig node, item_drop flies toward me, itemstack increases by one. Repeat until inventory full.
06:47 VanessaE there we go, that's got it.
06:47 [0gb_us] Okay, great.
06:47 VanessaE fixed in git.
06:47 VanessaE I used your idea, 0gb.
06:48 VanessaE if not creative more, or if unified inventory, deduct from itemstack and return it, else do nothing to the stack.
06:48 [0gb_us] Nice.
06:49 [0gb_us] Google has decided to stop showing me the Minetest API as of late. It's quite bothersome.
06:50 khonkhortisan A search for api.minetest.net still shows api.minetest.net
06:50 [0gb_us] api.minetest.net doesn't have the current API.
06:51 khonkhortisan What does?
06:51 VanessaE 0gb: I usually rely on my browser history to get to it
06:51 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
06:51 VanessaE that. :)
06:51 khonkhortisan I just use my local copy
06:51 [0gb_us] I end up navigating through an outdated page that I know is outdated, because I also know it has a link to the correct page.
06:52 [0gb_us] Google use to give me the correct page.
06:52 khonkhortisan I can remember the whole thing except for blob/master
06:52 [0gb_us] My browser history is so large and varied, I never manage to find what I need in there.
06:53 [0gb_us] SO I only use my browser history when desperate. It never pays off though.
06:53 [0gb_us] *So
07:13 VanessaE there, another minor tweak to homedecor.
07:13 VanessaE Moved detection of infinite creative-mode stacks to init.lua, changed lights and tables to use it. Fixed tables properly.  Fixed missing drops in large square tables.  Fixed incorrect texture placement on on-side small square glass and wood tables.
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07:14 VanessaE that should fix it completely.
07:26 VanessaE ok, off to bed.
07:26 VanessaE night all.
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07:39 [0gb_us] Good night,
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08:35 VanessaE well that was about as useful as tits on a bull.
08:35 * VanessaE can't sleep.
08:38 [0gb_us] Sorry to hear that.
08:38 VanessaE it happens.
08:38 [0gb_us] Yeah, happens to me every night.
08:40 VanessaE just about every night for me also :-/
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08:47 VanessaE O.o
08:48 [0gb_us] Hmm?
08:48 VanessaE hm, ping timeout.
08:48 * VanessaE checks her box of pings
08:48 VanessaE oh.  Some seem to be expired.
08:48 VanessaE :)
08:49 [0gb_us] Ah. You should throw those out. Using expired pings just isn't safe.
08:49 VanessaE yeah
08:49 * VanessaE dumps the expired pings in the trash and gets a fresh batch
08:50 [0gb_us] !g where to buy pings
08:50 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: http://www.golfsmith.com/brand/ping
08:50 VanessaE haha
08:51 [0gb_us] Golf? Okay ...
08:51 VanessaE no, see, they're right here *points to slot B-7 on the channel's vending machine*
08:51 [0gb_us] Ah, got it.
09:29 VanessaE I detect a Calinou approaching :)
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09:30 VanessaE told ya :D
09:30 Calinou i'm 0gb.us.
09:30 Calinou *I'm
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09:30 VanessaE hah, damn it :)
09:31 * [0gb_us] giggles
09:31 VanessaE didn't even pay attention to the user@host *facepalm*
09:31 VanessaE :)
09:31 [0gb_us] Yeah, I didn't even bother to try to hide that this time.
09:33 [0gb_us] Hmm. It seems without having mese stocked up from 0.4.5, there is no way to get a strong pick without wasting iron on a pick in 0.4.6 ...
09:33 [0gb_us] Iron is the only thin minable by stone that will mine harder things.
09:34 * [0gb_us] really doesn't like using iron for tools
09:34 VanessaE how come?  iron is quite plentiful now
09:34 [0gb_us] Iron creates the only things vandals can't destroy: locked chests and locked doors.
09:35 [0gb_us] Also, buckets.
09:35 [0gb_us] I'd rather use useless stuff such as mese and diamonds or renewable stuff such as wood and cobble to make tools.
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09:40 VanessaE morning adam
09:40 [0gb_us] I guess this would work well for a survival world. Cut off the supply of iron picks, and you cut off the supply to all strong matereals.
09:40 [0gb_us] *materials
09:41 [0gb_us] Hey, PilzAdam.
09:41 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
09:42 * [0gb_us] thought he saw a black-leaf jungle tree, but had only imagined it
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09:53 [0gb_us] Doesn't the hand normally insta-break things in creative mode?
09:53 VanessaE half-second break time for most stuff
09:54 VanessaE a few things here and there take longer, or did when I tried last.
09:54 [0gb_us] Several seconds isn't breaking, or even putting cracks in, stone.
09:54 PilzAdam the hand has 1/10 seconds for most groups
09:55 PilzAdam nodes with higher level will take longer
09:55 VanessaE when did that change?
09:55 [0gb_us] Something is bugged up in my copy then. Stone won't break by hand.
09:55 PilzAdam VanessaE, its the same since it was added to creative
09:56 PilzAdam [0gb_us], do you use any mods?
09:56 VanessaE odd, I could swear it was half a second.
09:56 PilzAdam actually you are right
09:57 [0gb_us] I'm using one, and all it does is re-register ores, with an on_dig() property.
09:57 Exio it is half secon
09:57 Exio d
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09:58 [0gb_us] Actually, it disables itself when creative mode is active.
09:58 [0gb_us] So essentially, nothing added.
09:59 Exio ? disables
10:00 [0gb_us] My plugin checks to see if creative mode is in effect. If it is, it does nothing.
10:02 [0gb_us] Ah. Figured it out. Creative mode is registering the hand, then default is registering the hand. To fix it, I need to rearrange the plugins listed on the common_mods line.
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10:05 khonkhortisan You must all be in a different time zone
10:05 khonkhortisan 3am here
10:06 VanessaE 6am here
10:06 [0gb_us] I'm in the same time zone as every one of you.
10:06 khonkhortisan ugt
10:06 [0gb_us] 3AM and 6AM here.
10:07 [0gb_us] Hmm. You must be in Easter time with jojoa1997.
10:07 [0gb_us] *Eastern
10:07 VanessaE I am, yeah
10:07 [0gb_us] I'm in Pacific with khonkhortisan.
10:07 VanessaE jojo should just about be getting up for school now I guess
10:07 khonkhortisan Now I know of two virtual people in my timezone
10:08 [0gb_us] I'm not a real person? I'm only virtual? Well thanks ...
10:09 khonkhortisan :)
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10:39 Exio 7:40AM here
10:40 * khonkhortisan waits for the sun
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10:48 VanessaE ok, time to try again with this sleep thing.
10:48 VanessaE bbl
10:48 [0gb_us] Good night and good luck.
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10:49 [0gb_us] Hey, jojoa.
10:51 jojoa1997|Tablet hi
10:51 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel ping
10:53 jojoa1997|Tablet [0gb_us] it is good that you are staying
10:54 [0gb_us] I was always staying in IRC, just not playing the game.
10:54 [0gb_us] As for the game, I won't be on servers any more.
10:55 jojoa1997|Tablet ok :/
10:57 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam i have made redstone/emerald/lapis lazuli stuff
10:57 jojoa1997|Tablet the only thing that i am iffy on is the ore gen
10:57 [0gb_us] Sorry, but I'm tired of the vandals. And the idiots that fail to use the protection tools in place.
10:57 jojoa1997|Tablet i have made it but when i release the next version please look over it
10:57 jojoa1997|Tablet [0gb_us] the world is full of idots
10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet [0gb_us] the world is full of idiots
10:58 [0gb_us] Yeah, it is.
10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel are you here
10:58 [0gb_us] And when idiots fail to protect their stuff on my server, who gets blamed?
10:58 [0gb_us] I do, as the administrator.
10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet they do
10:58 jojoa1997|Tablet they should
10:58 [0gb_us] They blame me, but it is their fault.
10:59 jojoa1997|Tablet ha they should go on traxies serer
10:59 [0gb_us] Untill I find a better protection system, I'm staying off the servers.
10:59 ruskie they'd probably join a server that would say plainly: "you will be vandalised, trolled etc... here"
10:59 ruskie and they would still blame the admin
11:00 [0gb_us] Yeah, exactly, ruskie.
11:00 jojoa1997|Tablet Ok i am using RBA's unified inventory search box
11:01 jojoa1997|Tablet how would i make it search every time a letter is typed
11:01 PilzAdam not possible
11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet grrr
11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet i also had to redefine some tools cause they use on_place and that is what item frame uses with tools
11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet with items
11:03 khonkhortisan item frames don't work with lava buckets
11:04 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah with everything that is on_place
11:04 jojoa1997|Tablet also it doesnt keep what the item is so i get unkown blocks all the time
11:14 [0gb_us] Apparently, I'm required to use Fedora this term. It should be a good opportunity to try something new.
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11:44 sfan5 [LOG]: [0gb_us] queried Google Result for 'where to buy pings'
11:44 sfan5 ^ :O
11:45 [0gb_us] I wanted to know where to get new ones. VanessaE's were expired.
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12:58 jojoa1997|Tablet No
12:58 jojoa1997|Tablet Someone else had using the customizer
12:59 jojoa1997|Tablet Sfan5 do you make daily builds
12:59 sfan5 yes
13:00 jojoa1997|Tablet Where do you keep them?
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13:01 jojoa1997|Tablet Chase I don't think you assure us updates
13:01 jojoa1997|Tablet Site
13:01 sfan5 jojoa1997|Tablet: http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds
13:02 jojoa1997|Tablet Yeah it isn't updated
13:03 sfan5 i'm making a new build right now
13:03 jojoa1997|Tablet Ok
13:04 jojoa1997|Tablet Well actually nothing has been added in git
13:04 jojoa1997|Tablet Maybe add luajit like pilzadam
13:05 Kacey how hard would it be to make connected textures on blocks?
13:08 jojoa1997|Tablet What do yo mean?
13:08 Kacey have the borders dissapear between two blocks
13:09 [0gb_us] Borders don't appear between blocks unless you put borders in the PNG.
13:12 jojoa1997|Tablet You mean making the game only use. A part of the png
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13:20 Kacey no making the texture have a border, but not to adjacent blocks of the same type
13:20 Kacey bbl
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13:39 [0gb_us] Okay, that's a difficult request. You could use multiple nodes, with different parts of the border missing. Sort of doing that, I don't think there is a way.
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13:47 Zeg9 Hello
13:50 Zeg9 Kacey, [0gb_us], except the multiple nodes thing, there is another way using entities but this isn't the best choice at all...
13:50 [0gb_us] Hey, Zeg9.
13:50 Zeg9 Hi
13:51 [0gb_us] I wouldn't have even thought of using entities for node decoration, though I have seen it done before.
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13:55 RealBadAngel hello minetesters
13:56 RealBadAngel whats up?
13:56 [0gb_us] Hey, RealBadAngel.
13:56 RealBadAngel i can see 3 days without a single merged pull
13:56 RealBadAngel scandal!
13:56 [0gb_us] Ha ha.
13:57 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, if you look after 3/2012 there are _months_ without commits
13:57 RealBadAngel those days are long gone
13:58 * RealBadAngel is searching his drawers to find something worth a pull
13:59 RealBadAngel ha, lets pull main menu music code
13:59 [0gb_us] Music?
13:59 [0gb_us] Like, background music?
13:59 RealBadAngel for main menu
13:59 RealBadAngel /sounds/main_menu.ogg
14:00 [0gb_us] Oh, I guess that's better than in-game music, but still not good.
14:00 * [0gb_us] hopes RealBadAngel is kidding
14:00 RealBadAngel not at all
14:00 NakedFury menu music is at least a nice addition
14:00 [0gb_us] Okay, well, you're the boss ....
14:00 PilzAdam NakedFury, not the music RBA wants to add
14:01 PilzAdam its also non-free music
14:01 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, i said the code, not the code with music score
14:01 NakedFury but ignoring for a moment what ever music tastes people have, having a code to add music for main menu is worth it
14:01 RealBadAngel i will post the code so any will be able to put there his favorite tune
14:02 RealBadAngel later on we figured out with hmmm we can make at least two sound/music packs for minetest
14:03 RealBadAngel one powered by Skaven/Future Crew in technic style
14:03 RealBadAngel second by Amethysium / soft, ambient
14:03 RealBadAngel both artists gave us permission to use their music in our project
14:04 RealBadAngel they wont be distributed together with main engine due to different licences
14:05 RealBadAngel but will be aviable for download same way as texture packs for example
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14:11 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjHNPzv9sGY
14:11 PilzAdam any forum moderator here?
14:11 RealBadAngel this is Skaven's
14:11 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gly1XleRWE
14:11 RealBadAngel and this Amethysium's
14:12 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, you propably will like the second
14:12 PilzAdam a forum moderator should move this back to modding general and remove the download links: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84420#p84420
14:13 RealBadAngel wait you SHOULD know this in fact
14:13 RealBadAngel since you contributed to ambience mod
14:15 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, why removing download links??
14:16 PilzAdam because its illegal what he does
14:16 RealBadAngel you mean other licences?
14:17 RealBadAngel just talk to him then clearing the issue
14:17 RealBadAngel instead of moving/deleting
14:20 [0gb_us] Why is he using a "no derivatives" for a work that itself is a derivatives?
14:20 [0gb_us] *"no derivatives" licence
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14:32 sfan5 |
14:32 RealBadAngel propably copied the license text from somwhere without thinkin if its proper
14:32 sfan5[Mac] yeah
14:34 celeron55 lol wat
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14:35 [0gb_us] Just the usual shenanigans.
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14:50 ShadowNinja VanessaE: could the perlin noise be used as a chance that a flower will spawn there? That way there wouldn't be invisible walls but it would be harder to spread past the line. You might have to make it a static chance if it is outside but I think you will be able to have a chance that slowly decreases.
14:52 ShadowNinja Also by the look of it placing a flower will take days to spread
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14:54 [0gb_us] I did make regeneration slow. Some people in particular don't want the game to be too easy, so to increase the chance that regeneration would make it in at all, I made it slow.
14:55 * [0gb_us] has been downloading Fedora for class for hours, and it still hasn't finished
14:57 * [0gb_us] is worried the download had stopped, and he will have to start the download from the beginning
15:00 celeron55 why don't you have some kind of a progress indicator
15:01 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: Use axel or torrent
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15:05 [0gb_us] The progress indicator has been stuck at 748 of 916 MiB for about fifteen minutes.
15:05 Jordach [0gb_us], all computers do that
15:05 Jordach loading bars wont move until you lok away
15:05 [0gb_us] The link on the website gave me an HTTP link, so I used that.
15:06 sfan5[Mac] wget -c
15:06 [0gb_us] I've looked away and had two conversations in that time.
15:06 [0gb_us] WHat's the -c flag?
15:06 * Jordach would say cunt, but
15:07 * [0gb_us] pulls up terminal to enter "wget --help" to find the meaning of -c
15:08 [0gb_us] Ah. Continue.
15:08 iqualfragile yeah, thats _realy_ usefull
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15:09 [0gb_us] I'm not sure if that works for files that were partially downloaded by other applications, but I'll mess around with it after I take a shower, if progress still isn't working.
15:09 [0gb_us] jojoa1997|Tablet: Recess?
15:09 jojoa1997|Tablet What up?
15:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Nope math class
15:09 jojoa1997|Tablet Finished homework
15:10 [0gb_us] I'm just trying to download Fedora for class.
15:10 jojoa1997|Tablet Anyways I am inn high school no recess :-(
15:10 jojoa1997|Tablet What class
15:10 [0gb_us] Lunch is recess.
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15:10 jojoa1997|Tablet I guess
15:10 PilzAdam [0gb_us], manpage says -c should work for partially download files by other programms too
15:10 jojoa1997|Tablet I get an hour one
15:10 [0gb_us] IT275
15:10 iqualfragile [0gb_us]: yes, it will work
15:10 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel ping
15:11 [0gb_us] Okay, awesome, PilzAdam.
15:11 PilzAdam [0gb_us], so it should work if the other programm write the partially file (FF does)
15:11 iqualfragile it just looks at the filesize of the downloaded file and requests the adjacent bytes from the webserver using range request
15:11 [0gb_us] I'm not sure how switching from Firefox downloading to wget downloading will help, but I'll try it when I get back from the shower.
15:12 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam I will be using mobf in Minitest but it will be reduced
15:12 iqualfragile it does not actualy check if the already downloaded parts are belonging to the file
15:12 jojoa1997|Tablet And mesecons will be added hopefully but also reduced
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15:37 jojoa1997|Tablet hi
15:38 jojoa1997|Tablet RealBadAngel are you here now?
15:45 jojoa1997|Tablet wow it is quiet
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15:45 * [0gb_us] tries not to wake anyone
15:45 rubenwardy hi all
15:46 [0gb_us] Hey, rubenwardy.
15:46 jojoa1997|Tablet hi
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet i cant wait till i get home
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet then i can code some more of minitest
15:47 [0gb_us] Thanks for doing that, by the way.
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet i plan on adding redstone first and then mobs
15:47 Jordach on a crap windows machine
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet for doing what
15:47 Jordach minitest
15:47 [0gb_us] Jordach: That's redundant.
15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet ok
15:48 Jordach iirc, minecrap was made on windows
15:48 jojoa1997|Tablet [0gb_us] do you play minitest?
15:48 Calinou mojang uses win7 :P
15:48 [0gb_us] Yeah, for setting up a Minecraft-like game for people who want that.
15:48 [0gb_us] No, I don't. But my siblings play Minecraft, so maybe Minitest can help convert them.
15:49 [0gb_us] The item_drop in Minitest is more than I can stand myself though.
15:49 jojoa1997|Tablet [0gb_us] minecraft has tons of great ideas
15:49 jojoa1997|Tablet but some o them make the game too hard
15:50 [0gb_us] I'm not sure I agree with that about their ideas being great.
15:50 PilzAdam lol, MC too hard?
15:50 jojoa1997|Tablet though them having redstone by default has made adventure maps better
15:50 * Jordach often agrees with [0gb_us]
15:50 jojoa1997|Tablet [0gb_us] yes i mean most of them in right proportions
15:51 [0gb_us] I mean I don't like a lot of their ideas in any proportion.
15:51 jojoa1997|Tablet PilzAdam i always play adventure maps so not much survival is gotton
15:51 Jordach Minecraft is a mining game not an Adventure RPG
15:51 jojoa1997|Tablet Why were vessels added to default
15:51 Jordach same for Minetest actually.
15:51 Jordach jojoa1997|Tablet, ^
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15:51 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah i know
15:52 [0gb_us] Vessels have been in default since before I got here, but I have no idea why, as they were useless.
15:52 jojoa1997|Tablet they should hold water
15:52 jojoa1997|Tablet at least
15:52 jojoa1997|Tablet gtg bell gonna ring
15:52 [0gb_us] I thought they were like stackable buckets at first, but they are not.
15:52 * [0gb_us] has thought about building stackable buckets
15:52 Jordach stackable buckets is a good ide
15:53 Jordach idea*
15:53 [0gb_us] I know how to make them, I'm just too lazy right now.
15:53 PilzAdam Jordach, stackable buckets is a MC idea
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15:54 [0gb_us] Not every Mineceraft idea is bad though, just most of them.
15:55 iqualfragile [0gb_us]: problem is: minetest gets too minecraflike
15:55 [0gb_us] I have an even better idea for buckets than stacking, though I fear to say it, as another thing would likely be tacked on if they were implemented that way.
15:55 NakedFury share
15:55 jordan4ibanez Minetest is already minecraft, are you guys blind
15:55 [0gb_us] Yeah, Minecraft is becoming too Minecraftlike. I'm aware.
15:55 Jordach [0gb_us], my favourite MC idea is multiple texture pack support
15:55 [0gb_us] Jordach: That would be cool.
15:55 NakedFury 0gb share that idea for buckets
15:56 Jordach [0gb_us], just having a folder in /textures/packs/<name> is nice enough
15:56 NakedFury main menu changeable texture pack support
15:56 PilzAdam Minetest is a Minecraft clone
15:56 [0gb_us] jordan4ibanez: It's not Minecraft yet, but it's getting there ... Hopefully with work on Minitest, we won't need Minetest to imitate Minecraft, and things will be better.
15:56 Calinou not that useful actuall
15:56 Calinou keep a bunch of dirs in textures/
15:57 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: they store metadata now, you would have to store all of the metadata for the stack or only allow bucets containing the same amount of water to stack
15:57 Calinou I have "all" (misa), "mce" (minecraft enhanced), "faithful", "oldpack" and "soartex"
15:57 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, you do illegal things
15:57 PilzAdam http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84676#p84676
15:57 Calinou I just rename when the game isn't started to change
15:57 jordan4ibanez No, when minetest got a hotbar, it became minecraft alpha
15:57 jordan4ibanez pilzadam I already changed the license
15:57 [0gb_us] NakedFury: As I said, I can't say it, or people will wreck my idea, and make it worse than current buckets.
15:57 NakedFury will you make ait a mod?
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15:58 Jordach Texture/Code Liscense: CC BY-SA
15:58 Jordach just seen the updated post
15:58 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, I dont think you can relicense LGPL to CC BY-SA
15:58 [0gb_us] ShadowNinja: What metadata do they store now? I guess that kills stackable buckets.
15:58 [0gb_us] Whill who make one?
15:58 [0gb_us] *Will
15:58 jordan4ibanez Okay, now i changed it again to satisfy everyone
15:58 NakedFury you. that stackable idea into a mod
15:59 [0gb_us] I was going to make stackable ones, but ShadowNinja says buckets now have meta data, making it impossible. I also can't use the better idea, as it would get out, get tainted, and possibly get into common.
16:00 ShadowNinja They store their water level or "fullness"
16:00 [0gb_us] Hmm. For finite water?
16:01 rubenwardy I think mods with ND (Non derivative) licenses should be banned from the forum, if not already
16:01 [0gb_us] celeron55 said something similar, I think.
16:02 rubenwardy are you talking to me, [0gb_us]?
16:02 [0gb_us] Yeah, to you, rubenwardy.
16:02 rubenwardy ok
16:02 Jordach heh
16:02 rubenwardy did he enforce it
16:02 rubenwardy ?
16:02 [0gb_us] I don't think it's finalized or enforced.
16:03 rubenwardy Any mods that do not allow free distribution or changing go against the open source ness of minetest
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16:04 [0gb_us] I'm not sure all Minetest-related things need to be free just because Minetest is though. Personally, I use the same licences Minetest itself does, but I don't think others should be required to.
16:04 jordan4ibanez If you ban users, just because of their license, you ruin the chance of that mod becoming successful. Closed off licenses are useful for people like me who like to heavily develop mods, but don't have to worry about another mod popping up with slight changes with different code just plastered on.
16:05 [0gb_us] You are using other people's work though, then not letting other's use yours that was created from theirs.
16:06 [0gb_us] So you are altering their works.
16:06 jordan4ibanez I have changed the license. BUT since the code that had the gpl license has the license defined in the code or readme, my license only applied to the mods which I add in that don't have license definitions
16:07 [0gb_us] Then you should say that in the topic, to avoid confusion and controversy.
16:07 ShadowNinja If your mod isn't ready for a proper licence it is not ready for Mod Releases
16:08 [0gb_us] True.
16:08 jordan4ibanez I'll just add in a license to un-licensed mods which I created, I'd rather not have license mongers yelling at me
16:09 jordan4ibanez Shadowninja: Correct! But what if when you are working on it, someone takes the code since they can, whips up some buggy mess, and releases it and it gets moved into mod releases. it's a real downer.
16:10 Calinou rubenwardy: not really
16:10 Calinou non-commercial mods are not forbidden
16:11 Calinou jordan4ibanez: dude, rip-off mods do nothing unless they are well made
16:11 rubenwardy Non Derivative, not non commercial
16:11 Calinou and the people who do rip-offs (stupid people) are stupid
16:11 Calinou so they don't make it well
16:11 Jordach Calinou, like most other MC clones
16:11 Calinou :3
16:12 rubenwardy Non Derivative, not non commercial, there is a big difference
16:12 Calinou yes
16:12 Calinou if you want to be in an opensource-to-opensource spirit, you should ban both
16:14 rubenwardy Non Derivative is required to not be in the license for an opensource community
16:15 rubenwardy Non commercial is not required to not be in the license, but it will not be free if it is there
16:15 rubenwardy *completely free
16:16 [0gb_us] It depends on how extreme you want to be.
16:16 rubenwardy yeah
16:17 [0gb_us] You could say GNU GPL isn't free either.
16:17 [0gb_us] It forces the whole project it's used with to be "free", unlike GNU LGPL.
16:18 mauvebic lol this debate again
16:21 [0gb_us] For the record, I'm just bringing up facts. I don't really care about the outcome. Whether closed source plugins are allows on the forum is of little consequence to me. I just prefer people think things through before making decisions.
16:21 mauvebic for the record though, ripoffs can be successful if the person doing the ripping off is more popular than the person who wrote the original :P
16:21 mauvebic weird, we both used "for the record" lol
16:21 [0gb_us] Ripoffs can also show you the flaws in your original work.
16:22 mauvebic why do you need a ripoff for that?
16:22 mauvebic some mods get contributions, others get ripped off, it makes no sense, unless you consider factors like popularity/appeal
16:22 NakedFury because people wont tell it
16:22 [0gb_us] That's not the only way to find your flaws, but it is one way.
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16:23 [0gb_us] Hey, Zeg9. We were just talking about you.
16:23 Zeg9 Hi.
16:23 Zeg9 What is being said about me ? :D
16:23 NakedFury usually friends would tell you the flaws but for some it is easier to mess up and rip your work to show you the flaws
16:23 [0gb_us] Nah, we weren't. I'm just keeping everyone paranoid.
16:24 Zeg9 ...
16:24 mauvebic well the way people get on jordan's case about it, i think he's justified in protecting his stuff, i doubt anyone would actually contribute to his stuff if it were 100% RMS
16:24 Zeg9 Nop, you were talking about GPL...
16:25 [0gb_us] Zeg9 and the GPL are the same thing, right?
16:25 [0gb_us] Or not. My bad.
16:25 [0gb_us] Sometimes I get confused.
16:25 Zeg9 If you remove every letter from GPL and replace them by ZEG and add a 9 at the end, yes.
16:26 Calinou lol
16:26 Calinou hey Zeg9!
16:26 Calinou "it's not Zeg9, it's GNU/Zeg9"
16:26 GNU_Zeg9 :D
16:26 GNU_Zeg9 Sadly, I can't put slashes in my name
16:27 [0gb_us] Saddly, I can't use a dot in my name, or begin it with a zero. My name SHOULD be "0gb.us".
16:27 [0gb_us] *Sadly
16:28 [0gb_us] Does "Zeg9" mean something?
16:28 Zeg9 .../me shouldn't have rage-thrown his mouse on the floor... Now the buttons are a bit higher than before.
16:28 Calinou how can you throw a G700
16:28 [0gb_us] WHat made you angry?
16:28 Zeg9 Well, it actually means something, yes... But wait, I'll unscrew the mouse and put the buttons back. Then I'll explain you if you wish.
16:29 Calinou isn't that thing 30kg </sarcasm>
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16:32 Zeg9 Okay, buttons are back. What made me angry ? My mom that unplugged the computer because I didn't want to play minecraft with my brother probably...
16:32 Calinou O_o
16:32 mauvebic lol
16:33 [0gb_us] She unplugged it for you NOT playing games? Okay ...
16:33 sfan5[Mac] :O
16:33 mauvebic women
16:33 [0gb_us] The backtic character is allowed in names? But not a simple period? Really!?
16:33 Calinou relevant to what mauvebic said above
16:33 * Calinou is very far away
16:33 Calinou VERY
16:34 mauvebic youre a women?
16:34 mauvebic (just woke up) lol
16:34 sfan5[Mac] qut?
16:34 sfan5[Mac] *wut
16:34 ImQ009 women on IRC = comotion
16:34 Calinou [0gb_us]: you can use the backtic to indicate you like sports
16:34 Zeg9 A women? Where?
16:34 Calinou ` = footbal, `` = tennis, ``` = lance armstrong-like cycling
16:34 [0gb_us] Ah. I don't like sports, so I won't use it.
16:35 * Zeg9 is erasing the backtic from my keyboard.
16:35 Calinou "my"
16:35 [0gb_us] Also, I never wanted to use it anyway, I just want a period.
16:35 * Zeg9 is erasing the backtic from his keyboard*
16:35 mauvebic that usually starts a certain age
16:36 Calinou mauvebic: you're no longer in my signature :D
16:36 [0gb_us] What starts at a certain age?
16:36 Calinou I changed it
16:36 mauvebic <[0gb_us]> I just want a period.
16:36 mauvebic signature?
16:36 [0gb_us] Sorry, I'm male. I don't get that kind of period.
16:36 [0gb_us] At any age.
16:37 mauvebic there is such a thing as male menopause though, anyone who spends enough time here can testify lol
16:37 Calinou <divVerent> The worst part about Xonotic bot AI jokes is that OH COOL! I FOUND A NEW +5 HEALTH PACK! MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN BRINGING THAT STUPID FLAG HOME
16:37 Calinou divverent is a xonotic lead developer by the way
16:38 mauvebic id have to know what xonotic is to be impressed or unphased :/
16:38 [0gb_us] True. There are actually male periods too, but they are every three months or something, and are harder to tell if they are happening.
16:38 [0gb_us] So am I on my male period? I have no idea.
16:39 Calinou mauvebic: http://xonotic.org
16:39 Zeg9 xonotic :)
16:39 Zeg9 By the way, is it me or the git version makes a lot more lag than the 0.6.0 one, especially at loading?
16:39 mauvebic ugh, actually, i still prefer return to castle wolfenstein lol
16:40 [0gb_us] 0.6.0 isn't out yet ....
16:40 Zeg9 Sorry, was talking about xonotic. Forgot where I was
16:40 mauvebic i think he meant 046
16:40 mauvebic lets not be anal about how we spell the version lol
16:40 [0gb_us] Ah, other game. Got it. My bad.
16:40 [0gb_us] Let's quit using the incorect version number then.
16:41 [0gb_us] *incorrect
16:41 mauvebic wrong game lol
16:41 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, lighting on facedir nodes is broken
16:41 [0gb_us] But in this case, it wasn't Minetest, so it was me that was wrong.
16:41 mauvebic one more reason for better lighting :p
16:41 mauvebic me too lol
16:41 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, the smooth lighting seems to be calculated first, and then the tile gets rotated
16:42 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, so as a result, the wrong side of the node is lighten up
16:42 PilzAdam noticed this on a furnace
16:43 mauvebic someone has brought this up before, i think 3 weeks ago though
16:44 mauvebic is there an issue ticket for it, or should i add it here? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/663
16:46 mauvebic since that one already touches on brightness and colorization, might as well add facedir fix
16:47 Zeg9 I didn't know minecraft had colored lights. But yeah, this is a missing.
16:47 Zeg9 I didn't know minecraft had colored lights. But yeah, this is a missing feature*.
16:48 mauvebic they do, and since we copy just about every other good feature, why not that lol
16:48 mauvebic well, good and bad
16:48 mauvebic but colored lights is a good one :P
16:49 mauvebic http://s3.vidimg.popscreen.com/original/13/cGl6V2h6UUJvSUkx_o_colored-lights-mod.jpg
16:49 mauvebic http://i.imgur.com/Yn6Hh.png
16:49 PilzAdam mauvebic, its a nice feature, but there are more things even more important
16:49 [0gb_us] For sure.
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16:49 mauvebic like what?
16:50 Zeg9 mauvebic, these pictures weren't taken from vanilla minecraft I guess ;-)
16:50 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, yep, reverted 6d facedir commit and the bug doesnt appear
16:50 mauvebic cuz im looking at pull requests, i see alot of minor fixes, but very few "omg cool" elements
16:50 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, so you broke it
16:50 Jordach Minetest engine wise is drying up
16:51 mauvebic Jordach well like i said, im running out of things to build with what we have :P
16:51 PilzAdam mauvebic, you dont see many pull requests because things arent coded or already merged in
16:51 PilzAdam *for good features
16:51 mauvebic last time we had lots of new mods was when nodeboxes were pulled
16:52 mauvebic they dont seem to be discussed much either, and when we do propose something cool, it gets shot down prompty ;)
16:52 mauvebic *promptly
16:53 mauvebic Zeg9 most MC content is mods, doesn't stop people from adding it here
16:53 PilzAdam mauvebic, do you actually know how many good features are suggested?
16:53 PilzAdam the problem is not the leak of suggestion
16:53 mauvebic alot, but what's in the works right now?
16:53 PilzAdam we need actuak _code_
16:53 PilzAdam *actual
16:54 Zeg9 Yeah. But we can say "MC doesn't have this feature yet so we didn't copy it" :D
16:54 mauvebic well, we tried for that too, and basically were told it would never get pulled, so i dont know what you want us to do about it
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16:54 Traxie21 I have an interesting error from minetestserver
16:54 Jordach hm?
16:55 Traxie21 ie21/minetest/bin/../mods/minitest/points_0gb_us
16:55 Traxie21 [landclaim_0gb_us]: Plugin loaded from
16:55 Traxie21 /home/Traxie21/minetest/bin/../mods/minitest/landclaim_0gb_us
16:55 [0gb_us] That's an error?
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16:56 [0gb_us] That's an error?
16:56 Traxie21 Yeah
16:56 Traxie21 Well, mostly
16:56 Traxie21 I cant copy easily when somethings printing to the console every second
16:56 [0gb_us] It looks like it loaded just fine.
16:56 Traxie21 ...
16:56 rubenwardy that is fine
16:56 mauvebic anyways, its not for lack of willpower or shortage of people willing to work with the engine
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16:57 Traxie21 Anyhow, I cant get my server up, as this error happens everytime it starts
16:58 [0gb_us] That's not an error message though, it's a plugin loaded message.
16:58 rubenwardy not an error
16:58 Traxie21 19:53:17: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found
16:58 Traxie21 In thread b6cb9700:
16:58 Traxie21 /home/Traxie21/minetest/src/main.cpp:1959: int main(int, char**): Assertion '0' failed.
16:58 Traxie21 Debug stacks:
16:58 rubenwardy see FAQ
16:58 Traxie21 DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD b6cb9700:
16:58 Traxie21 #0  int main(int, char**)
16:58 Traxie21 O-o
16:59 rubenwardy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3829
16:59 mauvebic using a mod with an older version of MT?
16:59 PilzAdam Traxie21, use a pastebin
16:59 rubenwardy Put something like this in env_meta.txt in your world foldergame_time = 40053 time_of_day = 20068 EnvArgsEndit doesn't matter much which numbers you use.
16:59 rubenwardy It is on that page
16:59 PilzAdam Traxie21, also read the FAQ in "Bugs and Problems"
16:59 rubenwardy >> Some exception: "ServerEnvironment::loadMeta0:EnvArgsEnd not found"
16:59 Traxie21 k
16:59 [0gb_us] Or a newer one? THat was built for the stable version.
16:59 * Traxie21 needs to get pastebin on chrome
16:59 rubenwardy Traxie21: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3829
16:59 rubenwardy >> Some exception: "ServerEnvironment::loadMeta0:EnvArgsEnd not found"
16:59 PilzAdam Traxie21, note that you will be banned if you continue to not use a pastebin
17:00 Traxie21 Woah, ok
17:01 Traxie21 k, now theres no error, but it never finishes starting
17:01 Traxie21 Can I remove whatever else was in env_meta.txt?
17:02 rubenwardy yes
17:02 rubenwardy just put that in
17:02 rubenwardy unless there is mapgen stuff
17:02 rubenwardy (your mapgen will change)
17:02 rubenwardy and make sure the seed is the same as it was before
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17:02 PilzAdam in env_meta.txt is no mapgen stuff
17:03 PilzAdam mapgen settings are in map_meta.txt
17:03 PilzAdam if that breaks then you have a problem :-)
17:03 PilzAdam but I never heard of a broken map_meta.txt
17:04 mauvebic there was a bug with map_meta where it got overwritten a few weeks back
17:04 mauvebic depends what version you ran
17:04 Traxie21 Very strange, it loads all the mods, and just stops, and does not continue working...
17:04 PilzAdam mauvebic, yes, but it wasnt corrupted
17:05 PilzAdam like env_meta
17:05 mauvebic though it changed the seed as mentionned above
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17:05 mauvebic but yeah did traxie edit the file in a text editor?
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17:06 Traxie21 Yes I did
17:06 mauvebic then you did something to it
17:07 Traxie21 :I
17:07 Traxie21 I pasted the lines on the forums over what had been there
17:07 rubenwardy What is it that makes 16 pixel images blurring ingame?
17:07 rubenwardy (setting)
17:07 mauvebic jesus, another one of those poisoned letters
17:07 PilzAdam rubenwardy, Bi- or Trilinear filters
17:08 mauvebic http://youtu.be/bxdmgzhZYcE
17:08 celeron55 they sure like hyping that stuff
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17:08 mauvebic one was sent to obama :/
17:09 celeron55 i'd guess obama would receive poisonede letters every month
17:09 celeron55 -e
17:09 mauvebic southern nutbars :p
17:09 Traxie21 so what do I do to env_meta.txt now/
17:09 [0gb_us] Yeah. I know some people that send them.
17:09 mauvebic though knowing them, theyll blame the koreans lol
17:09 NakedFury poisoned letter is not worth even a second of news time
17:10 PilzAdam Traxie21, just paste the text from the forum, save, and it should work again
17:10 celeron55 also, how many people there were that died in the bomb thing? i wonder how many people die in such bombs every day outside US 8)
17:10 NakedFury good point celeron
17:11 mauvebic the 3rd world is the 3rd world, it doesn't happen that much in industrialized countries
17:11 PilzAdam many many more people die through starving
17:11 NakedFury dying by bomb in the US is more news worthy than the thousands that are killed every day in the US by other means
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17:12 celeron55 well starving is kind of a different problem (more related to overpopulation than some kind of hatred)
17:12 mauvebic well unless you plan on going over there and feeding them yourself, i dont see any point in guilting people over it
17:12 Xenorax Hmm, so this is the Minetest IRC.
17:12 Xenorax Interesting.
17:12 celeron55 8D
17:12 rubenwardy lol
17:13 rubenwardy We have a record of 69% on topic
17:13 PilzAdam Xenorax, according to your website, a bit offtopic is allowed
17:13 celeron55 minetest is a boring MC clone so we're talking about world politics
17:13 rubenwardy lol, again
17:13 Xenorax It's not a boring clone to me really.
17:13 PilzAdam celeron55, there are people in the forum who will kill you if you tell them that MT is a MC clone
17:14 rubenwardy celeron55 is allowed to take the piss of the game he created :O
17:14 rubenwardy *:P
17:14 celeron55 PilzAdam: i don't like it when people say solely that either; it's reasonable if you mention "with a completely different kind of community"
17:14 Koren libcurl is needed for the last git rev ?
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17:14 PilzAdam Koren, no, but recommended
17:15 Koren ok, thanks
17:15 PilzAdam mainly for the public server list
17:15 celeron55 (i'd love it if MT evolved in some other direction that MC's wannabe RPG stuff though)
17:16 celeron55 (like mining, as Jordach mentioned)
17:16 celeron55 than*
17:16 PilzAdam celeron55, its just a lot easier to handle suggestions if you call MT a clone, because you just can throw 90% of them away :-)
17:16 Xenorax So, and this is mostly why I came in here. I've been playing with the Technic mod, and I'm curious as to why the recipes always show the coppers as unknown. Stupid question and probably not the best place for it, but it's bugging me.
17:17 PilzAdam it just makes clear wich general direction we want
17:17 PilzAdam some people think that simply every idea should be just thrown in
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17:17 mauvebic that kinda contradicts the fact that were basically copying everything about MC lately lol
17:17 Xenorax To be fair, at least the mods and things are MUCH easier to put into Minetest than Minecraft.
17:17 PilzAdam Xenorax, this is the right channel to ask
17:17 mauvebic "its obsidian like MC but slightly different" :P
17:18 Xenorax Good, good.
17:18 PilzAdam and its not a stupid question
17:18 mauvebic not that i mind, but others never fail to point it out and make a stink about it
17:18 Traxie21 If we could simply have access to curl through lua, it would open a lot of opportunity to modders
17:18 jordan4ibanez The obsidian in this game fucking sucks, it breaks a lot of stone creating machines
17:18 Traxie21 Thats for you mauvebic, since particles arent enough of a game change :P
17:18 PilzAdam mauvebic, we are basically copying Minecraft alpha
17:18 jordan4ibanez it needs to check x+1 x-1 z+1 z -1 y+1 y-1 one by one, not at corners
17:18 Xenorax Only copying it the right way.
17:18 mauvebic what do you want me to do with curl? lol
17:18 rubenwardy Traxie21: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/490
17:18 mauvebic i want red lights for a red light distrcit
17:19 mauvebic *district
17:19 PilzAdam Xenorax, about your question: ask RealBadAngel
17:19 mauvebic and green lights for a borg cube
17:19 mauvebic (hardly need a mesh for a cube lol)
17:19 Xenorax Will do.
17:19 Traxie21 rubenwardy, thats been open for ages O-o, why is it not comitted yet?
17:19 rubenwardy no idea
17:19 mauvebic then perhaps ill add prostitute mobs for the red light district, advertising "get your blocks off" etc. lol
17:20 PilzAdam Traxie21, there is this thing called "security"
17:20 Traxie21 oh, has sapier's security stuff not been merged either?
17:20 rubenwardy yah
17:20 Traxie21 Frick, I though that was added months back
17:20 rubenwardy Really, PilzAdam?
17:20 PilzAdam sapier has overdone the security
17:20 rubenwardy see security section
17:21 Traxie21 ...
17:21 mauvebic and there hasn't been much a proven need for it yet
17:21 Traxie21 You have very specific wants Adam...
17:21 rubenwardy 20:01:32: ACTION[ServerThread]: WARNING: A mod accesses URL 'example.org'. Remove it if you don't trust that site.
17:21 mauvebic until someone actually writes a mailicious mod
17:21 PilzAdam Minetest is a game, not a 100% secure OS
17:21 Traxie21 Its either under or over for you.
17:21 mauvebic *malicious
17:21 PilzAdam but cURL access for mods is just too insecure
17:21 rubenwardy then add that commit
17:21 rubenwardy with an option in conf to enable it
17:21 rubenwardy for servers
17:21 Traxie21 PilzAdam, Bukkit does it, and everyone uses them.
17:21 PilzAdam and its not needed if you see mods a scripts that define the content for the world
17:22 mauvebic though to be honest, you dont need to write a malicious mod to totally fuck up someone's map/server, there are plenty of holes in the mods themselves to poke through
17:22 PilzAdam Traxie21, what would be a usage for cURL in mods?
17:22 mauvebic and the extra security features wont stop the one or two guys with "cracked" clients
17:22 Traxie21 Let me think...
17:22 mauvebic thats what i asked :p
17:23 rubenwardy and anyway, a grand total of about 3 people would be effected by virus downloads, if it was in a mod, because people would post on the topic
17:23 Traxie21 Scoreboards, Auto-Updating, Avatars, Online Data, Adding images from internet eventually
17:23 mauvebic bandwidth
17:23 rubenwardy Tell user when update for a mod is availabl
17:23 rubenwardy Share creations with others (Buildings, mesecons microcontroller code snippets)
17:23 rubenwardy Interaction with other servers (Inter-Server Chat, Inter-Server Trade
17:23 rubenwardy Interface to Real-Life devices (e.g. Mod that notifys server owners e.g. by email or sms)
17:23 Traxie21 Website communication, dependency resolving, real-time server statistics..
17:23 rubenwardy mauvebic: it is optional
17:23 rubenwardy you do not have to use it
17:24 celeron55 i think the curl download patch should be merged
17:24 mauvebic before adding all that, we'd have to convince them that RGB values wouldn't be a bandwidth hog, so good luck on the rest of that :P
17:24 celeron55 but also the file access restriction patches should be merged
17:24 celeron55 (they shouldn't do more than is necessary though)
17:24 Traxie21 thank you celeron, finally some rational thought
17:25 PilzAdam yea, I agree to the file access thing
17:25 * sfan5[Mac] agrees too
17:26 celeron55 (a mod downloading stuff from the internet should be extra careful with the data it downloads though, as the server it connects to could be hacked in some way)
17:26 Calinou <PilzAdam> sapier has overdone the security
17:26 Calinou for once
17:26 mauvebic seriously if i wanted more security id spend time at the airport :P j/k
17:27 Calinou lol
17:27 Traxie21 BURN
17:27 mauvebic and see how well that works lol
17:27 sfan5[Mac] celeron55: so auto-update-itself is bad?
17:27 rubenwardy an option in the config would not work :(
17:27 Traxie21 Mods should be able to create files/folders in worlds folder and it's mod directory
17:28 mauvebic i store bookmarks in the worldpath
17:28 Calinou ^
17:28 Calinou worldpath + mod path would be OK
17:28 PilzAdam a config option for curl downloads doesnt make any sense, because Lua can change the config
17:28 mauvebic meshes in a special /resources folder in the mod folder, though i have a config option to change the location if theres file access perm issues
17:28 PilzAdam it could be added to tell "friendly" mods, to not downlaod things, though
17:29 sfan5[Mac] PilzAdam: what about locked configuration settings that cannot be changed by lua
17:29 Traxie21 hmm
17:29 mauvebic or we could assume that if people download mods, they should know what they are adding, but im in the minority on that
17:29 Traxie21 idea
17:29 Traxie21 lua should be able to change the minetest.conf in the world folder, but not the main one
17:30 mauvebic this aint mac after all
17:30 PilzAdam Traxie21, there is no minetest.conf for worlds
17:30 mauvebic we expect people to have some intelligence when choosing mods
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17:34 Koren woot nice ! when I exit a game minetest don't close anymore :D
17:35 PilzAdam Koren, yes, double free bug was fixed
17:35 Koren gj
17:35 sfan5[Mac] finally...
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17:37 BlockMen PilzAdam, could that work? - http://pastie.org/private/ikin3vcwwv9jaogmjz0ew#1,3-8,18-19
17:37 BlockMen im really bad at c++
17:37 PilzAdam you better ask a compiler
17:38 BlockMen im still ahving problems compiling minetest...
17:38 PilzAdam youre on windows?
17:38 BlockMen yes
17:38 PilzAdam well, get Linux ;-)
17:39 PilzAdam btw, you are making great MC like mods; do you want to work on MiniTest?
17:39 BlockMen there is always a solution, not just a workaround :P
17:40 Calinou compiling on windows => don't you have anything better to do?
17:40 Koren you use mingw ?
17:40 BlockMen and thx, maybe. honestly i have planned to make my own game sometimes, but that would need some time. and i dont have much atm
17:41 jordan4ibanez HEY!
17:41 jordan4ibanez blockmen!
17:42 jordan4ibanez Your mod is awesome!
17:42 BlockMen koren, i tried with vs, because i know that. but i have always problem with irrlicht inclusion
17:42 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, were is simply mintest #4?
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17:42 BlockMen hey jordan4ibanez
17:42 jordan4ibanez pilzadam, it will be done when I put in farming into minetest black
17:42 BlockMen thank. nice you like it
17:43 jordan4ibanez Also: Of the argument about having shift control wether you drop a single item or the whole stack, the server won't miss your key command, that was a stupid point, but I did find out that it will shoot a stack of 99 out in 5 seconds holy crap
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17:44 PilzAdam BlockMen, about your c++ code: i dont think that works
17:44 PilzAdam the other sounds are all played in the SoundManager
17:45 PilzAdam so you would need to add an event for it
17:45 BlockMen PilzAdam, hmm...ic
17:46 PilzAdam *SoundMaker
17:46 BlockMen then i need to take a look at the code again...
17:46 BlockMen PilzAdam, doesnt that http://pastie.org/private/ikin3vcwwv9jaogmjz0ew#18 use the SoundManager??
17:47 BlockMen *lol...Soundmaker...
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17:48 BlockMen thexyz, are you here?
17:48 PilzAdam so:
17:49 PilzAdam you basically add  anew function static void playerDamge(MtEvent *e, void *data) to class SoundMaker in game.cpp
17:50 PilzAdam the register it in SoundMake::registerReciever()  with mgr->reg("PlayerDamage", SoundMaker::playerDamage, this);
17:50 PilzAdam and trigger the even when damage is recieved with:
17:50 PilzAdam MtEvent *e = new SimpleTriggerEvent("PlayerDamage");
17:50 PilzAdam m_gamedef->event()->put(e);
17:51 PilzAdam I actually try this now :-)
17:51 mauvebic sweet, they caught a suspect in the boston thing
17:51 PilzAdam do you have  a soundfile?
17:53 BlockMen PilzAdam, thanks. and just a copyrighted, but i can send u for testing if you want
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17:53 PilzAdam yes, please
17:53 BlockMen hold on a sec
17:54 Calinou if you want to add damage sounds, please allow playing many of them randomly
17:54 Calinou nothing is worse than an "ugh" being played and nothing else
17:54 mauvebic dang, new trek trailer, the other ship is even bigger, prolly a 1km long
17:54 Calinou go make it in minetest before it is released :3
17:54 mauvebic i cant ID it lol
17:55 mauvebic http://youtu.be/RJ1qOs7jkIQ
17:55 mauvebic thats one movie i dont mind seeing the cam version of lol
17:55 mauvebic so long as its not a russian dub lol
17:56 mauvebic cuz the last one was hard to follow in that format lol
17:57 BlockMen PilzAdam, https://www.dropbox.com/s/vhf2a4xi2xj6eo3/damage.zip
17:58 PilzAdam thx
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17:58 mauvebic i hate actually going to theatres though, theres always a few dumb bitches who cant stfu lol
17:59 NakedFury thats because you want to go late
17:59 NakedFury go as soon as it opened. the first show
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17:59 mauvebic doesn't matter *when* you go, theres always someone who drags along someone who's not actually interested in watching the movie
18:00 mauvebic and ruin it for everyone else lol
18:00 mauvebic i cant do that, ittl be packed, and im claustrophobic :p
18:00 Calinou theatres, lol
18:00 Calinou 10 euros for seeing a movie
18:00 mauvebic 10? is that all
18:00 mauvebic these days 15 cdn
18:00 NakedFury less for me because student id
18:01 mauvebic 15 cdn and you spend almost an hour watching previews and ads
18:01 Calinou euros ;)
18:01 mauvebic by the time the movie starts you need to go piss that giant soda you drank
18:02 mauvebic well whats the exchange rate these days? i know usd/cdn is at/near parity
18:02 mauvebic alot easier to calculate when usd == cdn lol
18:03 mauvebic 1 euro = 1.34 cdn
18:03 * khonkhortisan found negative zero
18:03 mauvebic what are rents like in france for a 1 bedroom?
18:03 jordan4ibanez Finally
18:03 Calinou mauvebic: in an hotel?
18:03 Calinou usually low end is around 30 euros/day :P
18:04 jordan4ibanez I've created better item handling (entity) which is compatable with all mods which use use/drop items
18:04 khonkhortisan 0 * -0.5 = -0
18:05 mauvebic naw, rent for like an apartment
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18:05 mauvebic here the hotel is just a bill
18:05 Traxie21 jordan, how does it work?
18:06 mauvebic i pay under 500 for a 1 bdroom in quebec, though were an hour away from the city
18:06 jordan4ibanez It's a surprise, but I'm sure many people will be delighted, and the ignorant people will be very angry
18:07 mauvebic which is a good thing </martha stewart>
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18:07 mauvebic (being far from the city lol)
18:07 Koren mauvebic: I pay 920€ /month for a 50m² near Paris
18:08 mauvebic about the size of my place
18:08 mauvebic we had a plan of our apartment we made on sweethome 3d, cant find the file though
18:09 mauvebic the last place was 3x as big, that was before the lawsuit lol
18:09 Koren :x
18:09 mauvebic shit happens lol
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18:09 mauvebic guy left town though ;)
18:09 mauvebic and we won, but its still costly
18:11 Jordach mauvebic, what was the winnings
18:11 mauvebic lawyers have about the same rates as prostitutes
18:11 mauvebic hence why they are often compared
18:11 Jordach 20 an hour?
18:11 PilzAdam BlockMen, it works pretty good
18:11 mauvebic more like 50+
18:11 Calinou mauvebic: about 750 euros/month for 4 bedrooms
18:11 Calinou 130m², something rare today 8D
18:11 Jordach mauvebic, come to britain
18:11 Calinou Koren: lol paris
18:11 Calinou I have 2,5× as big and it's less expensive
18:12 PilzAdam BlockMen, I play the fleshy sound for every damage that is recieved and the falling sound on falling damage only
18:12 * Jordach doesnt see anything posted by Koren
18:12 Jordach okay, i do
18:12 mauvebic winnings was we got to leave the place which was a danger (hidden vices)
18:12 BlockMen PilzAdam, thats nice!
18:12 mauvebic foundation was sinking and cracks were appearing in the new drywall everywhere
18:12 BlockMen can u make a win build?
18:12 Calinou mauvebic: don't live in houses made by OCZ
18:12 mauvebic what would i do in britain? from what i hear theres just finance and i hate finance
18:13 mauvebic OCZ?
18:13 Jordach mauvebic, youre missing out on the chips :)
18:13 mauvebic and from media reports, brits dont seem to like immigrants much :P moreso than conservative canadians here
18:14 PilzAdam BlockMen, https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/1e5541888e07af058b025afb3bd4521dd630e52b
18:14 Jordach cause the bastards are stealing decent jobs
18:14 mauvebic if i wanted to work in tech, i'd go to Ireland, or my second most favorite vocation, then amsterdam
18:14 Jordach because of "human rights"
18:15 mauvebic so you wouldn't want me there crowding the job market :p
18:15 celeron55 immigrants... stealing decent jobs? lol, is that a joke
18:15 Calinou gtg
18:15 Calinou celeron55: samsung approves
18:15 mauvebic ive thought about iceland before the crash
18:16 PilzAdam celeron55, since you are here I think I can annoy you with code: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/1e5541888e07af058b025afb3bd4521dd630e52b
18:16 mauvebic these days im thinking more Yukon (territory in canada) though i hear they can be rednecks despite the subarctic climate
18:16 BlockMen PilzAdam, ok. i was not really close with my code..
18:17 mauvebic and immigrants dont "steal jobs" so much as companies go out and get them specifically for it, youre directing your anger at the wrong place :P
18:17 Jordach mauvebic, like: your sister is your mother, your father is your brother, you all fuck one another, the yukon family, aye aye!
18:17 BlockMen celeron55, is something wrong with my pull request (template)?
18:18 PilzAdam BlockMen, are you able to get free hurt and falling damage sounds?
18:18 PilzAdam (note that the falling and normal damage sounds get overlayed on falling damage)
18:18 celeron55 BlockMen: iirc not, but i'm too tired to update the site; i'll do it in a few days
18:19 mauvebic jordach hell even our gummint' tells us to go out and find jobs in the western provinces, but who wants to live there? lol
18:19 PilzAdam BlockMen, not this: http://youtu.be/zemgjgLwSN8 :_)
18:19 PilzAdam *:-)
18:20 BlockMen PilzAdam, i could look for. but it could take a few days. could you make me a build that i can try out sounds for? :P
18:20 PilzAdam yea, sure
18:20 BlockMen and why not? "my knee" sounds good :D
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18:21 BlockMen celeron55, ok. i just wanted hurry because it is not index anymore.
18:21 BlockMen *indexed
18:24 Koren PilzAdam: which code editor do you use for c++ ?
18:25 PilzAdam kate
18:25 john_minetest Right answer would be: "Microsoft Word"
18:25 john_minetest ;)
18:26 ImQ009 ಠ_ಠ
18:26 Koren thanks, does it provides completion for your own classes ?
18:26 PilzAdam nope
18:27 * ImQ009 uses Visual Studio
18:27 Jordach Koren, try geany
18:27 khonkhortisan ಠ = [0CA0]
18:28 BlockMen ImQ009, do you compile Minetest with it too?
18:28 Koren Jordach, thanks I'll give it a try
18:28 ImQ009 BlockMen, I don't have Minetest :P Sorry for jumping into conversation like that
18:29 celeron55 BlockMen: it kind of doesn't work
18:30 BlockMen ImQ009, np. i just saw the chance to find solution for my compiling problem at vs ;)
18:30 BlockMen celeron55, what?
18:30 ImQ009 BlockMen, What problem?
18:30 celeron55 BlockMen: unless you intend to remove the stylesheet 8)
18:30 Jordach ImQ009, it does have automatic class detection like you mentioned
18:30 ImQ009 Yes
18:30 Jordach it also supports most used programming languages (good python editor too)
18:31 ImQ009 Python? And Visual Studio? :P
18:31 ImQ009 First time I hear
18:33 BlockMen celeron55, who needs stylesheets :P
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18:34 Xenorax Oh god I just broke reality.
18:34 Xenorax You know the Trashcan mod thing? I jumped on it and used it, and trashed myself.
18:35 BlockMen celeron55, ok i will fix that....
18:35 BlockMen damn...
18:35 celeron55 BlockMen: the function you remove includes all kinds of necessary things
18:36 celeron55 apparently there's a configuration setting that does what you want
18:36 celeron55 https://www.dokuwiki.org/config:indexdelay
18:36 jordan4ibanez What's the maxstack called in the item/node/craftitem definition called? I just cannot remember it
18:37 celeron55 it'll prevent indexing when the page has been modified in five days by default
18:37 BlockMen celeron55, i swear i made a forced refresh when testing yesterday
18:37 * Zeg9 is leaving, bye all.
18:37 BlockMen ic. but we should use same keywords for every page
18:38 celeron55 also, i just realized i almost erased some configs that are not backed up while updating files on minetest.net
18:38 BlockMen now they are just like the page title
18:38 * celeron55 knows it is not wise to be doing this while being tired...
18:38 Jordach go grab some sleep then, silly celeron55
18:38 celeron55 it's not night yet
18:39 Jordach celeron55, in finland: its night all day long
18:39 Jordach (or most arctic places!)
18:39 mauvebic i thought you had to be above the arctic circle?
18:40 celeron55 in finland, there is no night at summer
18:40 mauvebic sounds like a good tradeoff
18:40 mauvebic i dont go outside in the winter
18:40 mauvebic lol
18:40 Jordach anyways: http://support.google.com/glass/
18:41 mauvebic those douchebag glasses?
18:41 Jordach mauvebic, they now come with decent explorer shades
18:41 Jordach (hiding you have one) :)
18:41 Jordach anyways, it actually is quite handy
18:42 john_minetest If it wasn't google I would be interested in buying these glasses. But giving away ALL my data...
18:42 Jordach this is my favourite bit: http://support.google.com/glass/answer/3079299?hl=en&amp;ref_topic=3063233
18:43 Jordach (actually, this would be the only use of it for me)
18:44 mauvebic reminds me of these: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090128131519/tardis/images/2/24/Cybermen_EarPods.JPG
18:44 Traxie21 How would one identientify corrupt playeriles?
18:44 BlockMen celeron55, finally found the file that includes tpl_metaheaders()
18:45 celeron55 BlockMen: i just changed the configuration setting indexdelay to 0, now it works like intended
18:45 BlockMen i will reverse my change at main.php and will send you a pastie with changes for tpl_metaheaders() when done
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18:45 celeron55 and i will do the revert
18:45 BlockMen celeron55, ok.
18:45 BlockMen and you want keep mata keywords = pagetitle?
18:46 BlockMen *meta
18:46 john_minetest http://support.google.com/glass/answer/3079855?hl=en&amp;ref_topic=3079850 -> Lol, imagine adjusting this while a presentation or a meeting xD
18:46 mauvebic some geek stares at me with those things on, they better have good dental coverage lol
18:46 Jordach john_minetest, just think of the possibilities to cheat in exams
18:46 celeron55 BlockMen: you may make a new pull request with those additional fields
18:47 jordan4ibanez pilzadam: check this out: https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/commit/841b8d8b72ec62cf6a6d4cfe363cfb81574a1afc
18:47 BlockMen celeron55, you would have to chage outside of template.
18:47 jordan4ibanez super advanced item drop, it's not done yet though, but the basics are there
18:47 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, make a diff against my current item_drop mod
18:48 celeron55 BlockMen: umm... the no
18:48 john_minetest Jordach: Especially when you have lenses built into the google glasses because you need glasses to see anything. They can't take away your glasses. :D
18:48 celeron55 i'm fine with not having any of those meta keyword stuff
18:48 celeron55 crawlers will find the important bits anyway
18:48 BlockMen lol. fine
18:48 jordan4ibanez The diff woul just render the ENTIRE file, since there are so many changes, without sneaking, you throw 1 item, with sneaking you throw the entire stack, item entities which are in a radius of eachother will try to add into eachother
18:48 celeron55 (as the pages have proper header elements and such)
18:48 khonkhortisan What can I do to make the hand_server.count and hand_server.last_id tests not fail? It makes me have to run bin/minetest multiple times to get it to start.
18:49 Traxie21 I have a corrupt file in the players folder, how do I identify it?
18:49 celeron55 Traxie21: check the exact sizes of the files, it's probably the smallest
18:50 Traxie21 Already did that, sorted them by size, deleted the last 8 smallest ones
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18:50 celeron55 you can sureely identify it by the file not ending with PlayerArgsEnd or something i think
18:50 Traxie21 Yeah, well I have about 500 files to go through
18:51 Traxie21 *611
18:51 celeron55 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12438325/linux-find-files-that-do-not-contain-certain-characters
18:51 celeron55 8)
18:51 celeron55 oh, that's wrong maybe
18:51 Traxie21 That looks like file names :I
18:52 celeron55 grep -IRiL "somestring" .
18:52 celeron55 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7205004/how-to-find-text-files-not-containing-text-on-linux
18:53 celeron55 best unix tool: google
18:54 celeron55 these corruptions could be totally avoidable if somebody bothered to implement saving of those files in a safe way (first save to different name, then move to place)
18:54 Traxie21 Hmm
18:54 Traxie21 Well, that command lists every player
18:56 Traxie21 Either that, or hundreds of players are corrupt, including celeron55
18:56 Traxie21 Wait, you joined this serveR?
18:56 jordan4ibanez pilzadam the only thing I'm having an issue with, is math, I have to figure out how to get equal stacks of items to add into the other with only one deleting instead of them both deleting, it's quite a conundrum
18:59 Traxie21 fuck it, I should just reset all player files
18:59 Traxie21 this is not working :I
19:00 BlockMen Traxie21, no...
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19:02 BlockMen what size have all 611 files? if not too tall you could send me and i take a look at
19:03 Traxie21 Wow
19:03 Traxie21 A ton are corrupt
19:03 Traxie21 Sheet
19:03 VanessaE hi all.
19:04 sfan5[Mac] jordan4ibanez: MinetestBlack is awesome!!
19:05 jordan4ibanez Thank you :D
19:05 sfan5[Mac] i spent 10 mins just throwing random shit around
19:05 sfan5[Mac] and I managed it to pick up CONTENT_IGNORE even if there was a block
19:06 jordan4ibanez Oh yeah, that's a lag bug, I need to fix that
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19:07 jojoa1997|Tablet finally i am at home
19:07 VanessaE hi
19:07 jordan4ibanez sfan5[Mac] place down a bunch of tnt, it's insane
19:07 Traxie21 sfan, your playerfile is also corrupt
19:07 Traxie21 wow
19:07 Traxie21 90% are corrupted
19:08 jojoa1997|Tablet Traxie what about mine
19:08 Traxie21 Corrupt
19:08 Traxie21 Only Calinou so far is not corrupt
19:08 Traxie21 I'm just resetting
19:10 jojoa1997|Tablet fail
19:10 jojoa1997|Tablet i did texture_pack =  instead of texture_path =
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19:11 PilzAdam bye
19:12 VanessaE a forum moderator should move this back to modding general and remove the download links: http://forum.minetest.net/view[…]?pid=84420#p84420
19:12 VanessaE agreed.  Moved back.
19:13 mauvebic thats going to generate a rehash of this mornings' debate lol
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19:14 VanessaE ShadowNinja: "could the perlin noise be used as a chance that a flower will spawn there?"   <--  yes, with some kind of linear fall-off based on perlin distance past some threshold.
19:14 VanessaE mauvebic: I'd have answered it then if I were online and awake :)
19:14 jojoa1997|Tablet time to search for ores in minitest
19:14 mauvebic dont worry, you didn't miss anything *new* lol
19:15 mauvebic though its kinda contradictory to talk about freedom while limiting choices lol
19:16 mauvebic but thats for jordan to take up
19:16 * jojoa1997|Tablet EEEEK
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19:16 jojoa1997|Tablet i foung my first emerald
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19:17 VanessaE mauvebic: limiting a downloader's freedom to modify and share is worse than limiting some perceived freedom of the author.
19:17 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE what do you think is more important. Mobs, Inventory, or Redstone
19:17 Jordach inventory
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19:18 mauvebic thats a matter of opinion - your basically valuing the downloaders freedom more than the author, which is hardly egalitarian
19:18 Jordach redstone can wait
19:18 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: I don't play Minecraft, so I can't really say what minitest needs, btu I guess a lot of folks would choose mobs.
19:18 alexbobp "redstone can wait"?  not a good first thing for a curious minecraft player to hear >_>
19:18 alexbobp hey Xenorax!
19:18 jojoa1997|Tablet redstone it is
19:18 Jordach jojoa1997|Tablet, like you could code what jeija made
19:19 alexbobp I heard there were mods that add redstone though?
19:19 jojoa1997|Tablet yes i am editing mesecons
19:19 VanessaE alexbobp: Mesecons.
19:19 Calinou retexture mesecons to be red, ???, PROFIT
19:19 VanessaE mauvebic: a mod author is free to not share his code at all if he's that paranoid about derivatives.
19:20 alexbobp VanessaE: ah okay, cool
19:20 mauvebic what one person calls paranoia another might call it a concern for quality and originality...
19:20 VanessaE alexbobp: mesecons is, more or less, a yellow version of redstone, but more powerful.
19:20 VanessaE (albeit somewhat slower as I am led to understand)
19:20 alexbobp VanessaE: works for me.  I care about utility, not the color
19:20 Jordach alexbobp, infinite range
19:20 alexbobp (I'll totally retexture it red and not tell anybody)
19:21 Xenorax Oh, huh.
19:21 Xenorax Hello alexbobp.
19:21 alexbobp if I could manage to get minetest to run with my painterly pack, I will be happy :P
19:21 alexbobp Xenorax: howdy
19:21 Jordach alexbobp, you can
19:21 * jojoa1997|Tablet just relized not sure what redstone has
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19:21 VanessaE mauvebic: quality and originality don't depend on a license:  remember, someone else can still copy and distribute your -ND code without your permission, good luck enforcing that license outside of the MT forums.  Better to avoid the headache by avoiding -ND entirely.
19:21 NakedFury alexbobp rename images
19:21 alexbobp awesome, okay
19:22 VanessaE s/copy and distribute/copy, modify, and distribute/
19:22 Jordach alexbobp, i can give you a folder with the textures already there, all you do is replace each one
19:22 mauvebic thing is, you disrespect one license, and all of them can go out the window
19:22 Jordach with correct names
19:22 mauvebic id like to see someone here with the means to do something about it lol
19:22 jojoa1997|Tablet what is jeija's license
19:22 Jordach jojoa1997|Tablet, look on his post
19:22 jojoa1997|Tablet but that takes effort
19:22 NakedFury funny how minecraft doesnt have this license shit problems
19:22 VanessaE mauvebic: perhaps, but that's a limited subset of people, but it proves my point - an -ND license is a waste of time and effort.
19:23 Jordach Textures: CC-BY-SA
19:23 Jordach Code: LGPL
19:23 Jordach jojoa1997|Tablet, ^
19:23 alexbobp so there are no mobs?  how about mods that add them?
19:23 mauvebic obviously not for the same organization that gave you all the other CC's
19:23 VanessaE NakedFury: because nearly everything is unlicensed, period = proprietary
19:23 jojoa1997|Tablet LGPL
19:23 Calinou NakedFury: many minecraft modders don't even know what a license is
19:23 Calinou so most of them is, "Copyright"
19:23 Xenorax There are mods that ad them, alexbobp.
19:24 Xenorax I was using one for a day or so, but kind of stopped.
19:24 Xenorax add*
19:24 jojoa1997|Tablet use peaceful_npcs
19:25 jojoa1997|Tablet what are mesecons mvp
19:25 jojoa1997|Tablet run my pig run
19:26 khonkhortisan helpers for movestones and pistons
19:27 alexbobp Xenorax: ah
19:27 alexbobp anything you can fight?
19:27 Xenorax Yes.
19:27 jojoa1997|Tablet what is random and receiver
19:27 alexbobp woo
19:27 alexbobp I will definitely give minetest a shot some time soon then
19:28 alexbobp I knew it had a bright future when I saw it a couple years ago
19:28 alexbobp but I played minecraft because that's where the features were :P
19:28 celeron55 i think one of minetest's greatest ongoing achievements is making people understand a bit more about how software copyright and licenses work
19:28 Calinou alexbobp is in #redeclipse ann #xonotic :o
19:28 celeron55 8)
19:28 Calinou heh, celeron55
19:28 mauvebic lol true that
19:30 VanessaE celeron55: too bad about the massive debates it always causes *looks at mauvebic and j4i*
19:30 mauvebic and your own hardline position has nothing to do with it...
19:30 STHGOM Minecraft looks better but minetest has more features :D
19:30 NakedFury another achievement of minetest is the circle debates about license. nothing gets agreed in them, they end where they started
19:31 mauvebic well at the end of the day, some of the people in the position to write something original will think twice about releasing it, but thats a choice the community makes, at this point, i dont bother fighting it
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19:31 jojoa1997|Tablet what are mesecons gates for?
19:32 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: they are for logic contorl
19:32 VanessaE control*
19:32 mauvebic though its probably a matter of time befor j4i gets fed up himself
19:32 VanessaE an AND gate takes two signals in and outputs one signal if the two inputs are turned on.  a NAND turns its output off if the two are on (else it's on).
19:32 VanessaE a NOT inverts the input
19:33 celeron55 mauvebic: the problem is, if we allow ND or NC stuff, all noobs will start using it because they don't understand anything and then we have a huge problem of everything being stuck to those
19:33 VanessaE an XOR turns the output on if exactly one of the two inputs is on (but off if both are on)
19:33 alexbobp Calinou: clearly alexbobp likes games ;)
19:33 mauvebic then the problem isn't so much ND or NC, its the lack of education on the subject
19:33 NakedFury why cant we just use the same licenses under which minetest was released by celeron?
19:33 celeron55 mauvebic: a solution could be to eg. ask for a payment to be used in the donation budget for releasing non-free mods on the forum
19:34 mauvebic you could sell licenses yeah
19:35 mauvebic though, like i said, its just as likely some people just wont bother to release at all, though we wont know what we might be missing out on
19:35 mauvebic ideally, a second repo might be needed
19:35 jordan4ibanez license war '13
19:35 mauvebic the official minetest one for opensource, and a free-for-all repo for any kind of license
19:36 thexyz BlockMen: ?
19:36 alexbobp I vote for second repo
19:36 alexbobp so I can easily ignore it ;)
19:36 celeron55 well, i said what i believe we are missing out, which is a one that we seriously want to not see
19:36 celeron55 and i believe there is little chance that upsides would be larger than downsides
19:37 BlockMen thexyz, hi
19:37 BlockMen you said one time you are building minetest under vs
19:37 mauvebic though at the end of the day, the forum isn't obliged to host any mods, any more than people are forced to post them there as opposed to hosting it themselves, so theres plenty of choices still
19:37 thexyz BlockMen: yes
19:37 celeron55 yes, you can always host them yourself with your own policies
19:38 mauvebic well alot of the big mods already have their own pages
19:38 celeron55 it's a bit harder than i would wish it to be, but at least it's something
19:38 BlockMen thexyz, could you upload a vs-project file for? im still having trouble with it
19:38 mauvebic forums just provide publicity
19:38 jordan4ibanez It's not about that I want to release my mods under a closed off license, I don't care about the licensing, I use ND as a shield to protect against modders from hurting the mod with crude modifications until it is complete, if you allowed ND licenses, I would happily change the license to gpl when I release it
19:38 mauvebic though like i said, even debian has free/nonfree repos
19:38 jordan4ibanez ND should be allowed in modding general, and in mod releases it should not be
19:39 mauvebic and even though debian strongly discourages nonfree, they dont do anything to prevent people from using it either, i think thats the attitude id like to go with
19:39 celeron55 you could release it under a license that states that the code is ND until a certain date, after which it is something else
19:39 mauvebic (keep in mind i havent done any ND in a while now)_
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19:40 STHGOM Bye
19:40 celeron55 mauvebic: we don't prevent anyone from doing anything on their own installs, forks, websites and whatnot
19:41 mauvebic i know :-) but debian doesn't hide the nonfree stuff either
19:41 mauvebic as much as we'd like good opensource drivers for nvidia and ATI, they just aint up to par
19:41 celeron55 and to add to that, i intend to never prevent those
19:42 mauvebic this license debate really isn't limited to minetest, its been going on for decades lol
19:42 celeron55 it has been going on since someone invented the proprietary license
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19:42 celeron55 = 60's or something
19:42 mauvebic well, would we have as many tech jobs if all software was free?
19:42 celeron55 or 70's? dunno
19:43 mauvebic like, what tiny fraction of people actually earn a living through OSS?
19:43 jordan4ibanez Why does it matter what license that we release our mods under anyways? Who cares? If a modder releases it under ND license, and someone asks to release a mod of the mod in the mod post, and the modder gives them permission, then they are allowed to do so, just look at rigs of rods forum
19:43 john_minetest maybe all techs would work in support when all software was free...
19:43 jordan4ibanez They make up their own licenses as they go, look at gabester's cars/trucks in RoR forum, they're under his special license
19:43 mauvebic without the carrot you cant attract all the good devs to work out of charity
19:44 mauvebic theyd go into finance instead lol
19:44 john_minetest mauvebic: mysql (was it mysql? at least some sql company.) sells support. They make quite a lot of money.
19:44 celeron55 the problem that i see with proprietary software (anything ND or NC) is that it will not automatically make the software free-to-derive after the owner stops selling it or benefiting it at all, and most owners will not bother to release it under an another license
19:44 celeron55 this has been discussed in here a long time ago between me and a couple of others
19:45 jordan4ibanez Then put a renewable ND license on forum.minetest.net, and a way to renew the license every so often, if a modder does not renew the license within a set date, it becomes wtfpl
19:45 BlockMen in my opinion there should be 2 licenses: WTFPL and CC-BY. thats enough :P
19:45 mauvebic problem is the exact opposite has been happening: things being derived before the author has barely started
19:45 celeron55 i think the solution would be a license that explicitly states that after a certain time from releasing that version of the software, that version of the software will fall under a certain free license
19:46 mauvebic it kinda sucks to put alot of work into something and someone comes along and figures all the hard bits are out of the way lol
19:46 celeron55 a good time depends on the rate of development, but something like two months for small things and a year for very large things would work fine
19:46 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i make something need to be placed on the ground only
19:47 thexyz BlockMen: I wonder where do I upload files these days?
19:47 celeron55 mauvebic: i know all these problems perfectly well
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19:47 VanessaE celeron55:  could there be a forum rule added that applies in addition to any non-open license automatically?  Or is that not enforceable?
19:47 mauvebic yeah i know :-) its a recurring discussion here (twice today) lol
19:47 celeron55 mauvebic: and all solutions to this are compromises
19:47 john_minetest If the mod is still actively developed and the license suddenly switches to WTFPS it is not optimal for the devs.
19:47 celeron55 VanessaE: i don't want to have such; it's too sneaky
19:48 mauvebic compromise would involve reconciling j4i's position with vanessae's position, if there is a middle ground there
19:48 VanessaE celeron55: understood.  Just curious.
19:48 mauvebic when one feels a certain license should be respected, and another shouldn't, its hard to find common ground
19:48 celeron55 i think the best compromise is the license that i suggested
19:48 mauvebic timelapse license? yeah that could work
19:49 VanessaE anyone got a lawyer handy to draft one? :)
19:49 celeron55 it would need to be checked with a lawyer that knows FOSS stuff first though
19:49 mauvebic like drug patents, that dont last twenty years
19:49 celeron55 but i'm quite sure the FSF would be able to help
19:49 jojoa1997|Tablet what group makes things attach to the ground
19:49 BlockMen thexyz, was the a comment to my license opinion?
19:49 mauvebic im guessing CC or EFF?
19:49 mauvebic FSF yeah that too
19:49 jojoa1997|Tablet like if there isnt a block underneath then it cant be placed
19:49 thexyz BlockMen: no, https://mega.co.nz/#!II0QBYqK!YyZSsjeoCWLy8TgYiu_UYFbOAVJiLkvTt-YVAKodKYc
19:50 khonkhortisan attached_node
19:50 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: attached_node
19:50 VanessaE HIIYAH!  *ninja'd* :)
19:50 khonkhortisan I even searched doc/lua_api.txt in that time
19:50 jojoa1997|Tablet no i mean i want it only to be on the ground
19:50 jojoa1997|Tablet no floating
19:51 mauvebic dang http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/508700859.jpg?w=620
19:51 BlockMen thexyz, ok. i should rly improve my english :\
19:51 celeron55 mauvebic: you're free to initiate such; i'm probably too lazy unless i start a project where i need it
19:51 BlockMen thexyz, and thanks alot! :)
19:51 VanessaE celeron55
19:51 VanessaE also, how many people there were that died in the bomb thing?   <-- last I heard, 3 dead and 140 injured.
19:51 mauvebic im pretty retired when it comes to modding lol jordan4ibanez?
19:51 jordan4ibanez sfan5 did you try the /skylands function?
19:52 VanessaE bah, what moron wrote the software that separates the nick from their comment with a newline?
19:52 VanessaE :)
19:52 Calinou "bomb thing"
19:52 Calinou you seem to give more importance to boston than I do
19:53 jordan4ibanez I am still strong with modding, I just wish there were a renewable ND license I could use until I'm satisfied with the state of my modifications
19:53 sfan5[Mac] jordan4ibanez: no
19:53 mauvebic ironically for people who complained about more cameras - they've identified the suspects through camera footage, though they seem to be keeping mum about it
19:53 jordan4ibanez well then try it :D
19:53 sfan5[Mac] later
19:53 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: better you should withhold the code until it is suitable for open-licensed release.
19:54 mauvebic <jordan4ibanez> i meant ask the FSF about the legality of a timelapse license
19:54 Calinou FSF is talking about closing windows instead, nope
19:54 jordan4ibanez That would ruin the beta testing vanessae, think about these things
19:54 mauvebic windows OS or proverbial windows? lol
19:54 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: then use luac :)
19:54 sapier mauvebic did those cameras stop the bombs from exploding?
19:54 mauvebic if he does that youll just ban it too :p
19:55 celeron55 jordan4ibanez: you can ask for beta testing in modding general
19:55 mauvebic no but id rather they be caught through cameras than left to do more of this
19:55 celeron55 none of the release rules apply in there
19:55 sapier I don't care about anyone being cought after he has killed me because some politicians didn't have any money left for police officers after paying bills of cameras
19:55 mauvebic you cant, on the one hand, expect to legally film police officers in public yet demand, on the other hand, to not be recorded yourself
19:56 mauvebic what makes you think police catch criminals?
19:56 jordan4ibanez Can't we just put License: CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 [Expires: xx/xx/xxxx] ?
19:56 mauvebic they're tax collectors with batons
19:56 mauvebic you'd need to state what the new license is after expiration
19:57 Jordach the preferred would be CC-BY-SA#
19:57 Jordach at least
19:57 Jordach or if youre feeling lucky, wtfpl
19:57 mauvebic in my experience if you nudge people too much one way, they go the other :P
19:57 jordan4ibanez License: CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 [Expires: xx/xx/xxxx] Expiratory License: WTFPL
19:57 mauvebic ^ makes more sense
19:57 jordan4ibanez Renewed: xx/xx/xxxx
19:57 * Calinou bets $10 on xx/xx/xxxx being 12/31/2099
19:57 mauvebic maybe not "Expiratory License" since it sounds like thats invalid too
19:57 sapier no camera ever stopped a crime from happening
19:58 jordan4ibanez License expiration cannot be higher than 1 month
19:58 mauvebic what is it about camera's thats got you hyped ?
19:58 jordan4ibanez License needs to be renewed within 1 week of experation date
19:58 mauvebic i wish there were more cameras, and easier public access to them, that way police can't make the footage disapear in brutality cases
19:59 jordan4ibanez And if the license is not renewed it becomes the expiration license until renewal
19:59 sapier it's not the camera itself but the way they are used, if camerase are used to coordinate officers to get quick response times I'm absolutely positive about them
19:59 Calinou public access to cameras? count me in
20:00 sapier but most time cameras are only used to catch someone, especially thos ppl parking wrong, doing other really unimportant things
20:00 Calinou lol
20:00 mauvebic unless you're Jason Russell, i dont see whats so bad about cameras
20:00 sapier did you ever read big brother?
20:01 mauvebic yeah and 1984 and animal farm
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20:01 mauvebic cameras are neither good or evil, they record everything, weather its a citizen or a cop breaking the law
20:01 sapier so you accept beeing watched every minute of your life for some (false) promise of safety?
20:01 mauvebic i dont live on the street
20:02 thexyz jojoa1997|Tablet: and then make users pay for BY-NC-ND!
20:02 Jordach should i write a bash script to modify the names of mc 1.5 textures in bash
20:02 thexyz [Expires: xx/xx/xxxx (prolongate)]
20:02 sapier you use a computer, power, telecomunications ... linking all thos information will result in 100% coverage ... cameras are just one piece of the puzzle
20:02 BlockMen i have to go. bye everyone
20:02 jojoa1997|Tablet ?
20:02 NakedFury if that bash script renames texture from MC to minetest default then yes
20:02 mauvebic and its a known deterrent that if people feel theyre being watched in public, theyre less likely to commit a crime
20:02 mauvebic thats why there are just as many fake cameras in shops
20:03 jojoa1997|Tablet why would i make people pay for something i made
20:03 sapier yes they'll commit crime where no camera is this increasing risk there ... total number of crimes stay same no matter how many cameras are placed
20:03 mauvebic whats to say they dont already have remote access to webcames and mics? what about facebook, and everything thats opensource must be uber easy to crack for spooks
20:04 mauvebic dunno if you were around in the early 90's, but crime used to be alot worse
20:04 khonkhortisan no....
20:05 mauvebic in north america yeah
20:05 thexyz jojoa1997|Tablet: wrong highlight, sorry
20:05 khonkhortisan sorry, something else that shouldn't be.
20:05 khonkhortisan I'll paste it
20:05 mauvebic oups lol sorry
20:05 thexyz that message was directed to jordan4ibanez
20:06 sapier in germany we never had crime in an extent america had, maybe your weapon right is one of the problems. If there are lots of weapons chances they're used are much higher than if there aren't any.
20:06 mauvebic they say canada has just as many arms per capita, but we dont have the same culture as down south
20:06 khonkhortisan I think I found why I can't aim when painting: http://pastebin.com/3aQcqAMZ
20:07 khonkhortisan This is so wrong!
20:07 sapier And most violent crimes in last years have happened right below cameras, a police officer would have prevented really bad things to happen but as those areas were secured by cameras noone was there to watch
20:08 mauvebic austere Germany should appreciate the value of cameras as opposed to paying for more cops, with their medical expenses and pensions
20:09 khonkhortisan I also get -340.01 on the x axis turning into -340.01000976562
20:09 sapier as I said cameras don't protect anyone I'd gladly pay an officer saving live instead of a camera catching a murder
20:09 * Calinou critisizes $COUNTRY's health system
20:09 khonkhortisan How am I getting junk precision in an entity's position?
20:09 mauvebic i dont personally feel safer having more cops on the street, that feels more like a police state than a bunch of cameras
20:10 mauvebic if anything, the more of them there are, the more they behave like a streetgang of their own
20:10 sapier lol :-) I don't think germans can complain about our health system recent studys show it's one of the best in western world ... but quite expensive
20:10 Calinou ours sucks and is expensive
20:11 mauvebic ours is pretty expensive too, though if it werent for americans providing most of the defense for north america and europe, im not sure we'd all have such generous welfare states (having to pay for all of our defenses)
20:11 sapier mauvebic if someone beats you right below a camera you'll know difference between a camera and a police officer ;-)
20:11 Jordach if anyone has the two folders blocks and items from a minecraft texture pack, my converter will do all the naming for you
20:11 mauvebic the difference is i dont expect cops to show up and save me, cuz they won't
20:11 mauvebic they arrive an hour late to file reports
20:11 Calinou I'd rather have no health system
20:11 sapier so you've already fiven up
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20:11 Calinou save money and pay when you're ill, should work like that
20:11 mauvebic if you seriously expect to survive a violent crime, you should learn to defend yourself
20:12 Calinou paying an health system to heal smokers and drinkers is stupid
20:12 sapier mauvebic what you suggest is anarchy
20:12 Calinou mauvebic: "if you seriously expect to use arch one day, you should learn how to use slackware" => same thing
20:12 mauvebic im a pragmatist, i dont see cops as keepers of peace and civil society, except when you got money
20:13 mauvebic and they can't be everywhere at once either
20:13 sapier I assume this is normal for countrys like america in germany we're not willing to accept this way of living ... at least not yes
20:13 sapier yet
20:13 mauvebic but youd rather have cops everywhere? awfully reminiscient
20:13 khonkhortisan Can _anyone_ tell me why my entity shifts position by 0.00000976562 meters when I create it?
20:13 Calinou floating point precision errors?
20:14 sapier not I don't want cops at every corner of a street but I want at least some cops in areas with huge number of ppl
20:14 khonkhortisan My original number is -340.01, the changed number is -340.01000976562
20:14 sapier e.g. train stations
20:14 mauvebic more cops but fewer cameras, so they dont know whats going on in some places
20:14 khonkhortisan it's adding precision?
20:14 mauvebic if youre worried about parking tickets, learn to park, or dont leave the car to your wife
20:14 sapier cameras where they really help
20:15 sapier e.g. if you have train station wich is surveyed by cameras so police officers can reach every place in < 5 min imho this is perfecty ok
20:15 jordan4ibanez So each world supports a .conf file now?
20:15 mauvebic so where do you not want cameras?
20:16 sapier but if next police officer is 1h away thos cameras are useless for protection issues
20:16 sapier use cameras to protect not for revenge
20:17 sapier I don't want a camera on any supermarket parking lot on any street cross or public place
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20:18 mauvebic public places, parking lots, streets = drugs
20:18 sapier and I don't want cameras on train stations replace all police officers
20:18 celeron55 https://gist.github.com/celeron55/5407410
20:19 mauvebic camera's obviously won't protect you, but they might deter a crime from happenning, or at the very least, give the cops an idea of what your assailant looks like
20:19 celeron55 i wonder how legally valid that could be
20:19 sapier lol ... thas what politicians tell .. fight drugs with cameras ... that never did work and never will work
20:19 sapier no they wont deter a crime they'll just move it to another place
20:20 mauvebic they do deter dealers
20:20 jordan4ibanez Seems sort of legal
20:20 mauvebic no one wants to get busted for dealing shit amounts
20:20 sapier no they move them to the next place with no camera
20:20 mauvebic and out of your neighbourhood
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20:20 celeron55 well i know the principles on which legal texts are roughly written, but i don't know all the possible loopholes in the copyright law and stuff
20:21 celeron55 and all the nuances of how english-speaking judges interpret stuff
20:21 celeron55 that's where you need a lawyer
20:21 sapier so I live in a safe neighbourhood but need a tank to get save to my work ... not quite a country where I wanna lice
20:21 VanessaE celeron55: require that the date be specified in a non-ambiguous format, such as 2013-04-17 or 17-Apr-2013
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20:22 mauvebic removes the cameras and the dealers are back in your neighboorhood dealing to your neighbours' children, not exactly better
20:22 mauvebic and those kids bust into your house looking for shit to pawn
20:22 mauvebic because they think theyll get away with it lol
20:22 jojoa1997|Tablet gahh
20:22 sapier total number of crime isn't reduced by cameras at all just distribution is changed, so they are a good way to rip a society in winners and loosers
20:22 jojoa1997|Tablet ok for player.lua line 125
20:23 celeron55 VanessaE: updated 8)
20:23 mauvebic social and class divisions predate cameras
20:23 jojoa1997|Tablet attempt to index local 'anim' (a nil value)
20:23 celeron55 oop
20:23 sapier I'm sorry mauvebic but drug dealers aren't a problem that big in germany
20:23 celeron55 wrong, hell
20:23 celeron55 now it's right
20:23 jojoa1997|Tablet what is the problem\
20:23 celeron55 the STANDARD DATE FORMAT!
20:24 VanessaE celeron55: looks good to me :)
20:24 celeron55 the only one
20:24 VanessaE the only date format that can be reliably sorted numerically :)
20:24 mauvebic i dont know what crime is like over there - but here we have the mafia, the bikers, and two-bit dealers and home invaders on welfare with drug problems, so yeah i do feel safer if they know they cant get away with shit in my backyard lol
20:24 jojoa1997|Tablet why am i getting the error. also it doesnt happen all the time
20:24 sapier we've got problems with teenagers getting drunk and beating ppl to death right below cameras
20:24 mauvebic thats all kids everywhere lol
20:25 sapier that didn't happen some years ago
20:25 mauvebic take your parents' morals and cut them in half, and do that for every generation after that
20:25 jojoa1997|Tablet can someone please help
20:25 sapier It's relatively new in germany
20:25 khonkhortisan Oh, come on! http://pastebin.com/Axn1A1Fs WHY‽
20:26 mauvebic i dont wanna start a war debate, but young violent people isn't new in germany or anywhere
20:26 sapier I can't remember any situation where I personaly experienced crime in germany ... yes there are som thefts but capital crimes are very rare
20:26 mauvebic it depends on culture too
20:27 mauvebic in north america we almost idolize violence, but the kids unlike their parents, dont make a distinction between goodies and badies
20:27 jordan4ibanez Does anyone know if a world has it's own .conf file
20:27 sapier lol mauvebic I was waiting for this point for some time ;-) ... but let me tell germany is very peacefull for some decades now
20:27 jojoa1997|Tablet is it possible to load an entity and show it in the inventory
20:27 mauvebic well how can you see violence is new in germany? you were fishing for it lol
20:27 khonkhortisan I can't believe I have to math.floor(pos*100)/100 just to get the real entity position!
20:28 mauvebic though im not one of those bashers, i know quite well the first concentration camps were invented by the britsh during the Boehr war
20:28 mauvebic a historical fact conveniently forgotten by history books today
20:28 jordan4ibanez Does anyone know if a world has it's own .conf file
20:28 sapier We didn't start a ware every decade the last 100 years ;-) we've learned from the devastation europe suffered at the beginning of last century ... at least I hope so
20:28 celeron55 khonkhortisan: well, that's the result of some floating point values being converted from a precision (float) to another (lua's doubles)
20:29 Calinou jordan4ibanez: look by yourself?
20:29 jordan4ibanez I did
20:29 sapier still we wer talking about cameras ;-)
20:29 celeron55 (i think)
20:29 Calinou players/, auth.txt, env_meta.txt, ipban.txt, map.sqlite, map_meta.txt, rollback.txt, world.mt
20:29 Calinou ^ files in my world
20:29 mauvebic naw im not a fan of the british empire either lol
20:29 mauvebic or the current state of affairs in the world, but such is life
20:29 Calinou :o github's logo changed
20:30 Calinou boo! they tried to copy ubuntu
20:30 sapier my personal opinion s cameras are used way to often where other protection options would be way better
20:30 Calinou lol'd at "1gb" server, I take more than 5 minutes to download mods... I aborted
20:30 mauvebic the world seems to be stuck in a cycle of liberalization/free trade, depression, then war, reconstruction, and back to liberalization
20:30 Calinou just like windows
20:30 mauvebic lol
20:31 mauvebic and it doesn't really matter who's on top, cuz it never lasts
20:31 mauvebic i can only hope i dont get reincarnated lol
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20:32 * Calinou wonders why minetest has so little microstuttering
20:32 Calinou limited FPS to 65, feels insanely smooth
20:33 Calinou if I limit minecraft to 65 FPS it's not smooth, and even red eclipse and xonotic feel less smooth
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20:33 celeron55 probably because almost all of the heavy lifting is done in background threads 8)
20:34 iqualfragile1 i allways limit fps to ~24 because the human eye wont see much more anyways
20:34 celeron55 you probably also have 4 cores
20:34 celeron55 on 2, the threads will still compete a bit
20:37 * Calinou is thinking about adding another issue
20:37 Calinou if I find a bug to report, I'll report issue #666
20:37 celeron55 the human eyes are quite fine with 24, if correct amount of motion blur is added
20:37 Calinou iqualfragile1: eyes don't see in terms of frames
20:37 Calinou celeron55: isn't that GPU-relateD?
20:37 Calinou s/D/d
20:37 iqualfragile1 Calinou: i know
20:37 Calinou or the way minetest limits FPS is just more efficient?
20:37 celeron55 (minetest doesn't do anything like that)
20:38 iqualfragile1 but they can be tricked into seeing motion if you give them enought frames
20:38 iqualfragile1 and 24 are enought
20:38 Calinou celeron55: by default FPS is limited to 65
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20:39 Calinou iqualfragile1: bad motion
20:39 celeron55 Calinou: the GPU should be able to output frames at a steady pace; it matters what the software does between outputting frames, that would delay some individual frames so much that there is no room for compensation by sleeping
20:39 Calinou ah, ok
20:39 mauvebic ugh, facebook just borked my interface :(
20:40 mauvebic i bet they got the gnome guys to do it lol
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20:41 * Calinou presents issue #666: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/666
20:41 mauvebic lucky number
20:41 celeron55 could've been spared for something more interesting
20:42 Calinou it's still a bug :P
20:42 mauvebic i also notice, if i have two nodes clearance, and place say, a pipe on the bottom, i can climb ontop of the pipe, but i cant climb down (stuck)
20:43 mauvebic i guess it takes a very specific shape to rise to a certain height
20:43 mauvebic id show my sewer pic but zimg is still down
20:43 STHGOM 666 means bad
20:43 mauvebic i dont think zimg is coming back :/
20:48 VanessaE aw fuck
20:48 VanessaE today's launch was aborted with 12 mins to go :(
20:48 mauvebic launch?
20:48 STHGOM launch?
20:48 STHGOM lol
20:48 VanessaE yeah, that new Antares rocket was supposed to go up and take some PhoneSats with it :(
20:49 mauvebic prolly having the same bug as airports yesterday lol
20:49 mauvebic dang, gonna miss my flight to mars
20:49 VanessaE naw, one of the umbilical cables came apart.
20:50 VanessaE the airports were having problems with American Airlines' reservation systems or something
20:51 mauvebic yeah though i was surprised they had to ground all flights because of it
20:52 mauvebic cant find any info on zimg other than the domain only expires at the end of this year
20:53 mauvebic uhm, the senate also voted down increased background checks, double bad news
20:55 VanessaE on a positive note, illinois house voted in favor of medical marijuana
20:55 mauvebic thats 3 states now?
20:55 VanessaE yeah, but it has to pass IL senate and governor also.
20:56 VanessaE (the other two, it's official for a while now)
20:56 mauvebic with state and city budgets in the red, you'd think they'd welcome the tax windfalls
20:56 VanessaE (and the other two, it's legal for recreational use)
20:56 john_minetest Calinou: You have to add evil stuff to this issue. Like bugs. And incompatible, non-cross-platform stuff with lots of precompiler stuff :D
20:56 mauvebic i think its about time we stop pouring those profits into criminal organizations and put them to good use
20:57 jojoa1997|Tablet update
20:57 jojoa1997|Tablet minitest wood and stone buttons are done
20:58 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i change the angle of a texture in game
20:58 jojoa1997|Tablet it is the set yaw thingy
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21:00 jojoa1997|Tablet anyone know?
21:01 ShadowNinja jojoa1997|Tablet: I think you append something like ^[R90 to the end of it
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21:05 jojoa1997|Tablet image = "redstone_torch^[R90"
21:05 jojoa1997|Tablet that?
21:05 VanessaE close
21:05 mauvebic kinda reminds me of sql injection
21:05 VanessaE redstone_torch.png^[transformR90
21:06 VanessaE (or whatever the filename is)
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21:08 lordcirth is anyone working on wireless digilines?
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21:08 LAD My map is finally done :) i worked really hard on it :)
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21:09 khonkhortisan wireless digilines for a remote-controlled mining machine using technic frames?
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21:10 Uberi khonkhortisan: not until force_load entities are available :P
21:11 khonkhortisan oh, I was responding to lordcirth's question "is anyone working on wireless digilines?"
21:11 jojoa1997|Tablet how can aliases be nil when i did it right
21:12 khonkhortisan I don't see much use for wireless wires
21:12 Uberi what about communicating over long distances?
21:12 Uberi you could set up a telegraph office
21:12 Uberi I used to do that with wireless mesecons
21:13 Uberi worked with morse code
21:13 ShadowNinja Uberi: placing digilines(and probably mesecons) next to unknown nodes causes a crash
21:13 john_minetest ...---...
21:14 john_minetest ;)
21:14 Uberi ShadowNinja: got a stack trace?
21:14 john_minetest Only morse I know
21:14 ShadowNinja Uberi: digilines/wires_common.lua:45: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)
21:14 Uberi john_minetest: Swindling Original Serums
21:14 ShadowNinja you just have at add one more check
21:15 Uberi ShadowNinja: I don't have push privs to digilines, only mesecons
21:15 Uberi can you repro in Mesecons too?
21:15 ShadowNinja Yes, but I imagine mesecons has the same issue
21:15 ShadowNinja I havn't tried yet
21:15 ShadowNinja +e
21:16 khonkhortisan I took issue ++666
21:16 Uberi would you mind testing it out?
21:16 john_minetest Uberi: Sweet Old SuperMario
21:16 Uberi I have some other stuff that needs debugging
21:17 khonkhortisan Sugar On Sweets
21:17 Uberi john_minetest: Salient Officious Sarcasm
21:17 STHGOM silly oporator songs
21:18 Uberi Save Our Souls
21:18 Uberi oh wait
21:18 STHGOM save our soap
21:18 Uberi save our STHGOM
21:19 STHGOM :D
21:19 mauvebic soap -> made from crafting dead players :P
21:19 STHGOM silly optimistic STHGOM
21:20 lordcirth khonkhortisan, I was thinking of making a transceiver block that would echo digilines>wireless and vice versa
21:21 ShadowNinja Uberi: hmmm, seems Jeija got that bug in mesecons but not digilines
21:21 Uberi better open an issue then
21:22 khonkhortisan so our sos seems only shy, surely on safeness.
21:23 Uberi silly, only sulphurous sapphires open sagely
21:23 iqualfragile1 mauvebic: thats actualy a good idea
21:23 STHGOM okkkkk.......
21:24 iqualfragile1 you just need tu burn them
21:24 iqualfragile1 maybe you should gain some phosphor, too
21:24 john_minetest Stop Online Spamming ;)
21:24 khonkhortisan pointing at phrases ^
21:24 mauvebic the only problem is fitting players into the the 1node sized furnace :/
21:25 khonkhortisan fold them in falg
21:25 khonkhortisan *half
21:25 khonkhortisan You can tell my g and h are near my f
21:25 VanessaE hm, it isn't possible for a tool to have regular groups, is it?
21:26 Uberi IIRC it is possibler
21:26 VanessaE oh ok
21:26 Uberi toolitems have all craftitem properties
21:26 VanessaE what about causing a tool to take some wear when it's used in a crafting recipe?
21:27 Uberi hmmm
21:27 khonkhortisan barrel of monkeys + hat = less full barrel of monkeys + hat monkey
21:28 Uberi I don't think the crafting system works with dura very well
21:28 VanessaE bummer.
21:28 iqualfragile1 mauvebic: just use an axe or a sword to cut into hany portions
21:29 mauvebic you could make soap or use stove to make food :D
21:29 iqualfragile1 s/hany/handy
21:30 mauvebic a combined hannibal/sanitation mod
21:30 Uberi lovely
21:30 STHGOM cya
21:30 Uberi bones mod 2.0
21:30 Uberi o/
21:31 mauvebic lol
21:31 mauvebic that could work
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21:33 jordan4ibanez Why was my game mode taken out of minetest games?
21:33 mauvebic you didn't notice when we had the earlier discussion?
21:33 jordan4ibanez I was away
21:34 Traxie21 license?
21:34 mauvebic it was moved before that discussion
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21:35 jordan4ibanez My game mode is released under multiple licenses, what is the issue?
21:36 mauvebic well it goes without saying
21:36 jojoa1997|Tablet how often does minetest save the map\
21:37 ShadowNinja jojoa1997|Tablet: every 5 seconds or so I think
21:37 jojoa1997|Tablet how come the dug stuff doesnt stay then
21:38 Uberi it's delayed if there is a lot of lag, it seems
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21:39 ShadowNinja I had a map that wouldn't save recently, it didn't matter because it was a testing map but it gave me a warning
21:40 john_minetest gtg, bye
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21:45 jordan4ibanez The license is changed back to gpl, vanessae please move it back into game modes
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21:48 Uberi hey jordan4ibanez, got a link?
21:48 jordan4ibanez http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5639
21:48 Uberi cool
21:49 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: all of the mods used in the game are gpl compatible?
21:49 jordan4ibanez Yeah
21:50 Traxie21 Walp
21:50 Traxie21 I'm off
21:52 Traxie21 cioa
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21:52 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: moved.
21:55 jordan4ibanez Forum topic updated
21:56 jojoa1997|Tablet mesecons was not made to be edited
21:56 jojoa1997|Tablet an hour and i am still trying to figure out what nodbox def is what
21:58 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: actually, it is specifically made to be edited
21:58 jojoa1997|Tablet not wires
21:59 jojoa1997|Tablet the nodeboxes are so confusing
21:59 Uberi wire nodebox defs are in the mesecons mod
21:59 Uberi they have to be like that, the wires are in all different shapes
21:59 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah but it doesnt work with my textures
22:00 Uberi why not?
22:00 jojoa1997|Tablet they have different spots
22:01 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: when it comes to wires, the easiest way to texture them is to use a whole 16x16 px flat image filled with the generic texture you want to apply
22:01 jojoa1997|Tablet yes i know
22:01 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: spots? what do you mean?
22:01 jojoa1997|Tablet i have that
22:01 jojoa1997|Tablet i am trying to use redstone texture
22:01 jojoa1997|Tablet but it isnt working
22:01 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: for minitest?
22:02 jojoa1997|Tablet so i will do something else
22:02 jojoa1997|Tablet yes
22:03 jojoa1997|Tablet VanessaE you use gimp?
22:03 VanessaE yep
22:03 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i make everything tinted red
22:04 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: use Colorize
22:04 jojoa1997|Tablet where is that?
22:04 VanessaE Right click -> Colors -> Colorize
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22:04 jojoa1997|Tablet thanks
22:04 VanessaE then set your hue and perhaps saturation where you need them
22:04 VanessaE leave lightness alone.
22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet what should i scale tje image to?
22:05 VanessaE don't.
22:05 jojoa1997|Tablet 64? or 32?
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22:05 VanessaE leave it at 16px.
22:05 Uberi 16x
22:06 mauvebic 1024x1024?
22:06 jojoa1997|Tablet no i need to scale it bigger
22:06 VanessaE no you don't.
22:06 jojoa1997|Tablet yes i do to get the desired effect
22:06 VanessaE the engine will size them to fit.
22:06 jojoa1997|Tablet one sec
22:07 jojoa1997|Tablet https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-c4NTNopSTAqPzcpDTtlshIV1i7S-6jPL6pY2G04_WoA62h0N
22:07 jojoa1997|Tablet https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmf7du_8CihJLgzLsoOTinBQVYmP9kj0GpN6NecNzFhI9A9YRGZg
22:07 jojoa1997|Tablet those are pics of what redstone looks like
22:08 VanessaE yep I've seen it.
22:08 VanessaE you can't do that though.
22:08 jojoa1997|Tablet ok VanessaE i scaled it but then they all got blurry
22:08 VanessaE mesecons wires are nodeboxes.
22:08 jojoa1997|Tablet how do i make it not be poartial clear
22:08 VanessaE they will, by definition, create the wire shape.
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet vanessae i neead to be able to make the holes
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet it is just the images
22:09 VanessaE you can't.
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet by default they are 2 pixels wide
22:09 VanessaE you have to resize the nodeboxes first to make them flat/2D
22:09 jojoa1997|Tablet i already did
22:09 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: set interpolation to nearest mode
22:09 VanessaE ok, then poke some holes into your texture.
22:09 Uberi cubic interp makes it blurry
22:10 jojoa1997|Tablet ok i have pertial faded pixels when i scaled up how do i make everything solid
22:10 VanessaE Threshold Alpha
22:10 VanessaE under Layers I think.
22:10 jojoa1997|Tablet chanels?
22:10 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: undo the scaling
22:11 Uberi try to scale again, but set interpolation to Nearest
22:11 Uberi it's set to Cubic by default
22:11 * VanessaE wanders off to do something more productive
22:11 jojoa1997|Tablet i found threshhold alhhs
22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet there is no nearest
22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet linear, cubic, sinc
22:12 VanessaE "none"
22:12 VanessaE = nearest.
22:12 VanessaE why are you scaling?
22:12 VanessaE you.  don't.  need.  to.  scale.
22:12 jojoa1997|Tablet so i can make holes
22:13 jojoa1997|Tablet default textures are 2 pixels wide
22:13 VanessaE then resize the nodeboxes to allow for wider textures.
22:13 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: I am talking about scaling, not threshold values
22:13 VanessaE if redstone needs 4 px wide textures, make your nodeboxes that witch
22:13 VanessaE width*
22:14 jojoa1997|Tablet why
22:14 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: undo the scaling you did before, and scale again with nearest mode
22:14 jojoa1997|Tablet redoing textures is better
22:14 jojoa1997|Tablet what does none do?
22:14 jojoa1997|Tablet oh  i already did that
22:27 Kacey how hard would it be to make connected textures?
22:33 Uberi rather difficult
22:33 Uberi there are 2^24 possible edge combinations
22:34 Uberi actually, it's 2^12 upon further inspection
22:34 Uberi that means you need to register 4096 nodes for it
22:34 RealBadAngel before we could modify nodes on fly such thing requires to predefine all posibilities
22:34 * Kacey is wanting to make a connected texture api for xytest
22:35 Uberi RealBadAngel: we can do that now? O_o
22:35 Uberi I have been waiting for this for a while
22:35 RealBadAngel c55 made this possible ages ago
22:35 RealBadAngel but havent merged this into main tree
22:36 RealBadAngel node definition stored in its meta
22:36 Uberi dang
22:36 Uberi that seems like it would bloat the map quite a bit no?
22:36 Uberi only for changed properties, perhaps
22:36 RealBadAngel 1 def instead of 64 for technic wires
22:37 RealBadAngel everything squashed to 1 def in fact
22:37 RealBadAngel no more active/inactive stuff
22:37 Kacey hrmmm maybe i could use that
22:37 RealBadAngel etc
22:37 Uberi Kacey: it's probably not in a mergable state at the moment
22:38 RealBadAngel that means, textures changed on the fly
22:38 RealBadAngel nodeboxes also
22:38 RealBadAngel and we fuckin need it
22:39 RealBadAngel we already hit 4096 nodes limit
22:39 RealBadAngel with a few mods
22:40 RealBadAngel we can set the limit to 64k, but still, it shall not be done this way
22:41 Uberi wait there's a node def limit?
22:43 khonkhortisan yep
22:44 khonkhortisan But you can register all the nodes, then restart the server with a different set of registered nodes for double the limit
22:44 Uberi but it's not the same!
22:45 RealBadAngel 4096 is the current limit
22:46 RealBadAngel after it "Some exception" greets the modder
22:50 khonkhortisan while true do i = i+1 minetest.register_node("modname:"..i, {}) end
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22:58 jojoa1997|Tablet i have a mesecon button set to attached_node=1 why wont it fall
22:59 Uberi is it properly set?
23:02 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/OapBLIO.jpg
23:03 RealBadAngel i just replaced player's model with irrlicht's dwarf from examples
23:03 jojoa1997|Tablet i set nodebox to fixed not wallmounted
23:03 Uberi jojoa1997|Tablet: you mean param2?
23:03 jojoa1997|Tablet no nodebox type
23:04 StrayBytes It's about time a version of Minetest from 0.4.x gets into the Ubuntu repos.
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23:06 jojoa1997|Tablet what do the 2 paramtypes mean?
23:07 Uberi param1 is usually the light level
23:07 Uberi param2 is usually orientation/liquid stuff/other
23:11 jojoa1997|Tablet ok buttons are done
23:12 jojoa1997|Tablet i just cant figure out how to get that thingy that stiucks from the end of a button not to appear
23:15 jojoa1997|Tablet is there any documantation on particle spawners
23:16 Uberi lua_api.txt
23:21 jojoa1997|Tablet is it possible to have nodeboxes go at angles
23:21 Uberi nope
23:22 Kacey hey Uberi are you busy?
23:22 Uberi in a manner of speaking
23:22 Kacey aah alright
23:23 Uberi what's up?
23:23 Kacey i had an idea
23:24 Kacey I have a port forwarded and you have the mesecons laboratory
23:24 Kacey We could create new things on my server and you could write about them
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23:25 Uberi cool :)
23:26 Kacey yep
23:28 jojoa1997|Tablet with nodeboxes
23:28 jojoa1997|Tablet imagine the x and z as a graph
23:28 jojoa1997|Tablet is x1 or x2 on the negative side
23:29 khonkhortisan I always put x1 negative
23:29 jojoa1997|Tablet ok
23:29 Uberi negative, positive
23:29 khonkhortisan xnynzn xpypzp
23:35 Kacey isthe mesecons competition over?
23:35 jojoa1997|Tablet does z come towards me?
23:36 khonkhortisan -z is front
23:36 Uberi oh yeah the competition is still on
23:40 Kacey haha
23:45 Uberi jordan4ibanez: MT-black is AGPLv3 yes?
23:45 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=84780#p84780
23:45 VanessaE \o/
23:45 jordan4ibanez v2 and v3
23:46 Uberi note that your game uses WorldEdit, which is AGPL
23:47 jordan4ibanez There are so many licenses in there if people are really interested they'll go in and mock the use of so many licenses anyway
23:47 Uberi AGPL differs only in that one still needs to give the source even if just running a server
23:47 Uberi you already did do that, so there's no problem here
23:47 Uberi but it would be nice to make a mention of it
23:47 Uberi AGPL is GPL incompatible, essentially, it only works with AGPL
23:48 jojoa1997|Tablet how do textures work with nodeboxes
23:48 Uberi I chose it in order to protect against people making servers with custom WorldEdits without sharing their changes
23:48 khonkhortisan The normal decides the texture.
23:48 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: the nodeboxes are all assembled into a node, then the textures are project onto them from the sides.
23:48 khonkhortisan That includes inside faces.
23:48 jojoa1997|Tablet ok
23:49 khonkhortisan I'd say it's projected before assembled.
23:49 jojoa1997|Tablet what are the order of the sides
23:49 VanessaE so any side that faces Z+, for example, gets the texture assigned to the Z+ side of the node, and the texture is project into the nodebox directly.
23:49 jordan4ibanez Updated
23:49 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: left is -X, right is +X, top is +Y, bottom is -Y, front is -Z toward you, back is +Z
23:49 Uberi cool
23:49 khonkhortisan Tiles order: ±Y±X±Z facedir axis order: +Y±Z±X-Y No, we don't care about consistency.
23:49 jojoa1997|Tablet i mean order of textures
23:50 Uberi jordan4ibanez: also another thing, all GPLs are not WTFPL compatible
23:50 jojoa1997|Tablet like tiles = {
23:50 jordan4ibanez I know, I listed all the licenses
23:50 Uberi jordan4ibanez: ah OK that makes sense
23:51 jojoa1997|Tablet {Z-,Z+,X-,X+...}
23:51 khonkhortisan ±Y±X±Z
23:51 khonkhortisan ^ Textures of node; +Y, -Y, +X, -X, +Z, -Z (old field name: tile_images)
23:51 Uberi what does the node gun do?
23:51 VanessaE it shoots nodes? :)
23:52 khonkhortisan probably just extends the pointable distance
23:52 Uberi the code seems to indicate otherwise
23:52 * jojoa1997|Tablet pew pew pew
23:52 Uberi oh wow really?
23:53 jojoa1997|Tablet what if my nodebox is bigger than a normal node
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23:53 jojoa1997|Tablet what do i do with the texture
23:54 ShadowNinja I think it is like the portal gun, where you can pick up nodes wih it
23:54 Uberi whoa
23:54 khonkhortisan Is there a visual = "horizontal_sprite"?
23:56 jordan4ibanez You can pick up nodes and throw them right now, I'm going to add in more features, like having tnt explode when it lands and stuff
23:56 Uberi that is pretty cool jordan4ibanez
23:56 jordan4ibanez Thank you
23:57 jojoa1997|Tablet link please
23:57 Uberi https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Minetest-Black/blob/master/mods/node_gun/init.lua
23:58 jojoa1997|Tablet jordan sine i have the minecraft mod of the portal gun i will add yours
23:58 jojoa1997|Tablet maybe you could have a drop on left click and throw on right

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