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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-04-16

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01:03 Calinou VanessaE: Jan 1… of last year :P
01:03 Calinou this guy joined before me, I remember him from the past :P
01:04 Calinou he also made a few maps in Cube 2: Sauerbraten, I remember
01:07 VanessaE oh, missed the year :P
01:29 Calinou http://i.imgur.com/2kPHoJH.png
01:29 Calinou if Doom was made today
01:30 Calinou "Health potions replaced with teacups?"
01:30 Calinou "And a bearskin as an armor bonus."
01:31 Calinou "Pickup message changes:
01:31 Calinou "A chainsaw! Ban some sick filth!"
01:31 Calinou "You've got the BFG9000! God save the Queen.""
01:31 Calinou :P
05:07 benrob0329 dangit rouge one, why you gotta give me the feels
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06:34 * benrob0329 leaves this here as a request for csm/texturing http://irrlicht.sourceforg​e.net/docu/example013.html
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10:20 Shara Hello all
10:23 VanessaE hi
10:40 CWz Hey
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11:47 rubenwardy argh
11:50 nerzhul ?
11:50 rubenwardy namecheap is being stupid
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14:20 * Megaf sneaks in
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14:57 Jordach m e o w
15:01 Fixer Jordach:
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15:08 Jordach uwot
16:07 benrob0329 INSULT
16:25 kaeza counter-insult
16:32 Jordach counter-retort
16:36 benrob0329 counter-counter retort-insult
16:55 Fixer counter-insult wins
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17:30 benrob0329 counter counter insult retort to the counter insult counted with a counter count, counter counted retort insult counted to retort the counter counter count.
17:32 celeron55 meow:3
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18:05 Jordach am i on weed
18:05 Jordach >c55 joining the cat train
18:13 * Sokomine sees some meowing going on and puts some bowls with milk on the channel
18:21 * CWz barks
18:51 octacian Is it possible to disable damage per-player?
19:05 nore octacian: with register_on_hp_change maybe
19:05 benrob0329 hissss
19:18 octacian nore: So there's no way to just entirely disable damage?
19:19 octacian Or wait, I understand.
19:19 octacian Will try.
19:19 nore octacian: register_on_hp_change can say it doesn't want the hp to change IIRC
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19:45 octacian Changing the size of the player causes it to float above the ground. How can this be avoided? Collision box maybe?
19:48 Jordach you can;t change the players collision box
19:48 octacian Well, there goes perfect disguising as nodes
19:49 octacian Unless.. maybe I could use some type of custom mesh?
19:49 octacian IRDK
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19:51 rubenwardy Minetest Mods app v1.6.0 released: https://github.com/rubenwar​dy/mtmods4android/releases
19:52 rubenwardy now with dependency management
19:53 benrob0329 \o/
19:53 celeron55 that's actually crazy; we don't even have that on desktop
19:54 * Jordach coughs
19:54 benrob0329 \o
19:54 benrob0329 /
19:54 Jordach something something useless commitee
19:54 * Jordach coughs again
19:55 benrob0329 might be a good C excersize
19:55 rubenwardy with this PR you can use the database that powers the app in Minetest desktop: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4082
19:55 rubenwardy although I'm not sure about asking to install dependencies
19:55 benrob0329 A proper Minetest launcher, with mod management support
19:55 rubenwardy problem is that the database is unreliable
19:56 rubenwardy the backend for the app is heavily a placeholder, for when we actually have a real mod database
19:56 Shara Hi all
19:57 celeron55 well, it's a good thing someone is giving at least some attention to the issue
19:57 * Shara dreams of better ways to find mods.
20:00 benrob0329 https://www.enlightenment.org/about-efl
20:00 * Sokomine dreams together with Shara
20:01 Sokomine there was that screenshot collection for the mt webpage mentionned recently in the post-your-screenshots-thread. combining screenshots from diffrent subgames and mods *and* linking them so that players can actually find them might bevery helpful
20:01 rubenwardy my app's backend uses Krock's mod search: http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php
20:02 rubenwardy Krock's mod search has 2093 entries, but 1009 of those are discarded due to being invalid
20:02 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy​/dc699b947e97cc732119432f0a22bb86
20:02 rubenwardy but yeah, Krock's mod search is the best way to find mods atm
20:02 Sokomine rubenwardy: yes. krocks mod search is great. that ought to be located more prominent on the forum as well - linked somewhere in the header
20:02 rubenwardy just doesn't handle the installing :(
20:02 Shara I still have to agree with Sokomine that it should be more prominent.
20:03 benrob0329 ditto
20:03 * benrob0329 installs e21
20:05 Shara But the only issue with that is how many of the results are actually useful/maintained/actually good
20:06 rubenwardy you can use the following link if you want all the mods to exist: https://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/mods/
20:06 rubenwardy however some mods will be missing
20:06 Shara And why things with no download link that weren't updated in 2 years are higher in results than things that got updated last week
20:06 rubenwardy also see https://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/  for a top 10 most downloaded list
20:07 rubenwardy and make sure you check that all your mods are added to the database using https://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/status/
20:07 Sokomine how do you measure most downloaded?
20:08 celeron55 that list looks like people just browsed through the first alphabetical 20 mods
20:08 rubenwardy the app sends a POST request when it downloads a mod. It sends the file size, url, mod name, mod author, static code
20:08 rubenwardy yeah, that tends to be the way
20:09 Sokomine ah :-) nice
20:09 rubenwardy I'm planning on adding a new home screen with categories
20:09 celeron55 you should show random mods by default in the app :P
20:09 Shara It's weird to see three of mine so high :P
20:09 Shara But yes.
20:10 rubenwardy Shara,  https://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/mods is alphabetically sorted
20:10 rubenwardy https://app-mtmm.rubenwardy.com/ is the top ten
20:10 rubenwardy alphabetically sorted by the mod's name
20:10 rubenwardy not the title
20:10 Shara Yea, i can see that
20:10 Shara What decides the top ten though?
20:11 rubenwardy downloads
20:11 rubenwardy see above
20:11 Shara Some of them seem obvious, but others I basically never see used or hear anyone talk about, so it just seems an odd set
20:12 rubenwardy it's biased by the ones near the top of the list, as the list is very very long
20:13 Shara I really like the presentation
20:16 celeron55 it literally takes a minute to scroll to the bottom of the alphabetical mod list on a phone
20:16 celeron55 i just tried, lol
20:17 rubenwardy yeah
20:18 Shara Some mods have links that go nowhere
20:18 rubenwardy I wanted to add a fast scroller, but they're quite a pain to add I found
20:19 sofar there's also plenty mods that are not on the list
20:20 sofar can't find skybox on it
20:20 rubenwardy you haven't made a post on the forum
20:20 rubenwardy afaik
20:20 Shara pithy deleted most of his mods, but they are still there
20:20 sofar so?
20:20 rubenwardy it doesn't just scan github
20:20 rubenwardy it needs a forum post
20:20 sofar why?
20:21 rubenwardy because it uses a forum parser
20:21 rubenwardy and also metadata from the forum
20:21 sofar 140 mods in minetest-mods, that's a lot of forum posts to make (and get outdated)
20:21 rubenwardy most of them will have forum topics already
20:24 rubenwardy Shara: that's Krock's fault
20:24 rubenwardy the backend only checks the download sources
20:24 celeron55 minetest-mods could be a good unique source to add though
20:24 rubenwardy which still exist: https://github.com/pithydon/babycrafter
20:24 Shara rubenwardy: Not all of them do though
20:25 rubenwardy yes they do
20:25 rubenwardy I literally ran the script today, so all the downloads link to zip file as of like 12 noon
20:25 Shara fossils gives a 404 on the download link too
20:25 Shara while others I try do seem to just download
20:26 Calinou hi!
20:26 rubenwardy hi Calinou
20:27 Shara Hi Calinou
20:27 Calinou back from a trip, I was at my grandparents home today
20:27 Calinou (250 km away from my home)
20:33 * benrob0329 is running enlightent (e21)
20:33 benrob0329 *enlightenment
20:36 benrob0329 ok, back to gnome
20:41 Calinou ^ every person's reaction to Enlightenment
20:42 benrob0329 its not bad, its just not that good either
20:42 Calinou I have a big feeling Enlightenment is the Haskell of desktop environments
20:42 Calinou look, how long has it been developed… how many actual users it has :P
20:42 Calinou it doesn't even look good
20:42 Calinou even Xfce, which is stuck on GTK+2, can manage th_at
20:42 benrob0329 tbh im very used to gnome's keybindings
20:43 Calinou I'm a KDE person since 2016, when I tried out Antergos with it
20:43 Calinou (Plasma 5 of courses)
20:43 benrob0329 it looks good at times, but some parts of the default theme are horrid
20:43 Calinou it's probably the desktop that competes with Windows the most
20:43 benrob0329 but i suppose i dont use the default gnome theme either
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20:44 benrob0329 I also use Antergos :P
20:45 benrob0329 tbh, for e21 being "mobile friendly", i find that gnome is far more touch/laptop friendly
20:46 Calinou GNOME is probably the only touch-friendly desktop on Linux right now
20:46 Calinou not even KDE is touch-friendly
20:47 celeron55 i heard you like enlightenment: https://what.thedailywtf.c​om/topic/15001/enlightened
20:47 Calinou I'm on Manjaro now, because Antergos has issues with the installer all the time
20:47 nerzhul no need for a fancy distro, just use arch :p
20:48 benrob0329 I dont always want to spend a week getting CUPS to work
20:49 nerzhul arch = best wiki and it jsut works :)
20:50 benrob0329 celeron55: I_dont_like_eccesive_underscores
20:50 benrob0329 nerzhul: cups doesnt "just work" even with the wiki (which is the best of the best)
20:51 nerzhul at home local printer works, at work all network printer works whereas it's windows printer server: )
20:52 benrob0329 well idk what I was doing wrong, but cups just refused to cooperate
20:54 celeron55 you all should try fedora sometime (just remember to add a few extra rpm repos)
20:55 nerzhul on arch no need for repo, just AUR if some extra thigns are needed everything is on baremetal repo :D
20:55 celeron55 i used arch for a few years, won't touch it again; similar to gentoo
20:57 celeron55 i use my computer like a construction worker uses his excavator; there's 1 day for service per year and it has to work for 15 years with nothing more than that
20:58 nerzhul you don't compile on arch
20:59 nerzhul only AUR requires it, and it's marginal, it's just very rare packages or non free pacakges
20:59 celeron55 rolling release distros are a catastrophe; they fall apart with my usage
20:59 celeron55 one day you just realize it's borked and cannot update itself anymore, then you install fedora and go on with life
20:59 nerzhul i don't know when you tested arch but i'm using arch on all my PC and my wife too, since 4 years without problems
21:00 nerzhul my desktop was installed in 2013 and upgraded since this year without problem (and there was the move from rc.d to systemd in this interval :p)
21:00 nerzhul i should go, see you
21:00 celeron55 </offtopic>
21:05 benrob0329 celeron55: I haven't had any problens.with arch, but I couldn't get OBS to work the last time I tried Fedora
21:09 benrob0329 What do you do when an offtopic thread goed offtopic?
21:09 benrob0329 *goes
21:17 Sokomine benrob0329: guess it suddenly becomes ontopic in such a case and can't be removed anymore
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22:42 Calinou Fedora is pretty cool, however Wi-Fi didn't work on my laptop (Fedora 25) because the kernel was too old, on live media
22:42 Calinou (and my laptop has no Ethernet port)
23:13 Fixer no ethernet port?
23:14 Fixer Jordach: do that screeching thing
23:14 Fixer i'm speechless
23:14 Fixer no fucking ethernet port
23:23 Jordach Fixer, *autistically screeching*

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