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00:22 octacian Rebase needed label can please be removed from #5627
00:23 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5627 -- Menu: Merge singleplayer and server tabs by octacian
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02:18 makmm Hello, I know this will sound weird but I want to learn how to make an minetest hack/cheat. Will you help me or no? :3
02:23 makmm Well i have to go on discord you can ping me, im @duckifier#2655
02:23 KaadmY Why does ItemStack("default:stick 2"):to_string() == "default:stick"
02:24 KaadmY The count is always 1
02:24 KaadmY Itemtable and itemstring input both act the same
02:25 KaadmY Huh
02:26 KaadmY Oh I was dumb
02:26 KaadmY I was using a tool, the count is always 1
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06:49 nerzhul hi :) merging #5751 trivial fix
06:49 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5751 -- Minor pause/escape menu improvements by red-001
06:50 nerzhul ty red-002
06:51 VanessaE is there any known chatcommand exploit in either engine, mt_game, or CSM?
06:52 nerzhul precision s?
06:52 Hijiri not any that are known to me
06:53 VanessaE a user, twice now, managed to gain full admin privs on two of my servers, without there being any log of the event.  I have a theory (which I've acted on already), but there's a possibility that someone has found an exploit via normal chat commands somewhere
06:53 nerzhul if it is, it's due to one of your installed mod(packs)
06:53 VanessaE I won't know if my theory is correct until the guy managed to evade my ban and sign on to try again
06:53 nerzhul coreside, privileges can only be added using Lua API
06:54 VanessaE nerzhul: that's what I'm afraid of.  I've removed the one mod that I think is the attack vector but I just can't be sure
06:54 nerzhul look at all privileges additions in your mods
06:55 VanessaE what am I looking for exactly?
06:57 VanessaE I mean, this guy got full admin privs, as if someone did  /grant <user> all
06:58 nerzhul you should search for all privileges lua addition calls
06:58 nerzhul from lua to engine i mean
06:58 nerzhul (grep powa)
06:58 VanessaE there was no entry in the debug log showing someone doing so, but his temporarily-successful attempts to strip ME of my privs were logged.
06:58 nerzhul don't trust the log here
06:58 nerzhul look at your code using grep
07:02 VanessaE there's lots of registered privs, way too many to check every one of them
07:08 Hijiri maybe override core.set_player_privs to write to the log?
07:08 Hijiri then if your theory is wrong, you'll be able to tell whether the lua API was involved
07:08 nerzhul i'm pushing an android build fix since recent red-002 work on main menu
07:08 VanessaE seems to me that absolutely any chat commands being executed ought to be written to the log
07:09 VanessaE except for setpassword
07:14 Hijiri it might be something other than a chat command
07:14 Hijiri /grant should be logged
07:14 Hijiri if it's really bad it could be arbitrary lua execution, then you would need set_privileges to log
07:15 Hijiri by should be I mean is in the code
07:15 Hijiri not as in it would be good to put there
07:15 Hijiri (though it's good that it is)
07:15 Hijiri maybe you have some other chat command in mind though that might be sensitive to leak
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07:51 Hijiri oh shit
07:51 Hijiri I think I know where the exploit is
07:51 Hijiri not quit sure though
07:59 nerzhul ?
08:00 nerzhul VanessaE, do you have worldedit_gui ?
08:04 VanessaE not anymore
08:07 Hijiri yeah that's where I saw it too
08:08 nerzhul it's why mod_securitu should be enabled, to prevent those crap usages
08:10 VanessaE wouldn't have helped -- mod security is already turned on on my servers.
08:10 Hijiri well, it keeps it from turning into an exploit that can make your whole computer vulnerable
08:11 Hijiri (assuming no way to break out of the mod security sandbox)
08:11 VanessaE true, thank G*d
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08:46 nerzhul merging #5752 in ~10 mins, thanks for the reviews :)
08:46 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5752 -- Move KeyList & InputHandler from game.h to client/inputhandler.h by nerzhul
08:46 VanessaE meanwhile, can someone please tell me the disposition of game#1732 >
08:46 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1732 -- redo new open chests to use all single textures by VanessaE
08:46 VanessaE is this going to be merged or not?  one way or the other, I need to know.
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09:04 nerzhul i send #5753 to fix #5026 problem, can you look at this tiny patch ?
09:04 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5753 -- Limit properly the sound setting at updateSound runtime step by nerzhul
09:04 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5026 -- sound_volume is not limited
09:26 nerzhul merging #5753 in ~10 mins
09:26 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5753 -- Limit properly the sound setting at updateSound runtime step by nerzhul
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10:25 Krock Merging #1733 in 10 mins
10:25 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1733 -- /home/minetest/Server/src/connection.cpp:2088: virtual void* con::ConnectionReceiveThread::Thread(): Assertion '0' failed.
10:25 Krock game#1733
10:25 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1733 -- Change the selection_box of bush stems by cx384
10:42 Zeno` I just got a message from the NSA and they are using it to create botnets
10:43 red-002 I wonder was it all the same person
10:43 red-002 someone finds an exploit and uses it on all the servers they can find
10:44 Zeno` I think maybe the CIA are involved
10:44 Zeno` I saw some Men In Black anyway
10:45 Zeno` It's an easy fix. Just wear a black suit and dark sunglasses to confuse the MIB
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11:01 red-002 for #5554 maybe it would be better to enable mods by default?
11:01 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5554 -- [CSM] Allow enabling and disabling mods. by red-001
11:04 VanessaE disable by default, keep the same behavior as for server mods
11:32 nerzhul merging android deps update #5755 (tested on my phone, it's perfect)
11:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5755 -- Android dependencies updates by nerzhul
11:39 kilbith https://hastebin.com/gesikocota.txt
11:39 kilbith huh, wth
11:39 kilbith what kind of unstable engine is that
11:40 red-002 map block version got increased a while back
11:41 kilbith so what about my old worlds
11:41 kilbith I cannot play them
11:42 red-002 it stops old versions from loading new worlds
11:42 kilbith it's up-to-date with upsteam
11:43 red-002 well maybe the world got corrupted some how does it also happen with other worlds?
11:59 Krock sfan5, would you please be so nice and have a look at #5533 and test if you have some spare time?
11:59 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5533 -- Sneak: Strip down version by SmallJoker
11:59 Krock kilbith, have you tested some pulls recently?
11:59 kilbith no
12:02 Krock the last bump was in https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/commit/071e114
12:03 Krock about 3 days ago
12:05 kilbith I just pulled today
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12:38 red-002 #5757
12:39 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5757 -- Improve password change menu by red-001
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15:30 nerzhul Krock, i think now you can merge #5754 when you want, both tested on UNIX & Windows
15:30 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5754 -- No cursor lock when window inactive by SmallJoker
15:31 Krock ack
15:31 Krock rather trivial fix, thus, merging in 10 mins           ^
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16:45 ShadowNinja The gateway/web quiet was a bit broad, since it includes irccloud, a bouncer service that isn't likely to have spam issues.
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16:48 red-002 welcome back
16:48 davisonio thanks
17:21 red-002 updated #5757
17:21 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5757 -- Improve password change menu by red-001
17:21 red-002 (fixed random newlines)
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17:41 red-002 could someone review #5554?
17:41 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5554 -- [CSM] Allow enabling and disabling mods. by red-001
17:44 Krock haven't tested it but +1 on the concept
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17:48 rubenwardy red-002: does it add a menu, or is it only from the configuration?
17:48 rubenwardy looks like the later
17:48 rubenwardy *latter
17:48 red-002 you would be correct
17:49 rubenwardy ok, changed comment
17:50 red-002 it would be pretty useful for anyone that is using csm right now
17:51 red-002 makes it easy to disable the preview mod
17:51 red-002 which tends to spam a good bit
17:52 rubenwardy yeah
18:04 ShadowNinja Alright, the developer meeting starts now.  celeron55, nore, rubenwardy, sfan5, sofar, Krock: ping. Public meeting notes: http://sprunge.us/QQOa
18:04 ShadowNinja Krock: any progress on #5647?
18:04 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5647 -- Lua API: Add more inventory callbacks by SmallJoker
18:05 Krock no sorry :/  would be glad if someone could take it over
18:05 ShadowNinja We also need to make a decision on #1489.  Opinions?
18:05 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1489 -- Timed move by sapier
18:06 Krock I'd say rebase
18:06 VanessaE and game#1732
18:06 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1732 -- redo new open chests to use all single textures by VanessaE
18:06 ShadowNinja sofar: Are you around?  If so, and opinions on the list_predict formspec item? (#1988)
18:06 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1988 -- Fix #1374 by adding a listpredict piece to the formspec by MinerDad7
18:10 ShadowNinja (Hello, anyone else here?)
18:10 Krock looks quite dead
18:10 Krock VanessaE, testing now
18:11 red-002 a bit offtopic but could someone add lables to 5757?
18:12 red-002 labels*
18:12 Krock any other?
18:14 ShadowNinja Alright, well how about "New screenshots for website" (web#78)
18:14 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/​minetest.github.io/issues/78 -- Add better screenshots, and more screenshots
18:15 ShadowNinja I think we should just assign someone to pick and install new screenshots.  Opinions?
18:15 Krock VanessaE, looks good to me. Works as expected
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18:17 Krock VanessaE, did you update the texture copyrights yet? I can't see them on your repo
18:17 VanessaE Krock: no, forgot.
18:17 VanessaE though they shouldn't change, they're still the old textures from before the UV-mapped chest?
18:18 Krock will give +1 from my side once the old texture notices are removed and the new ones added
18:18 * VanessaE looks
18:18 Krock no, I mean the UV-mapped textures
18:20 paramat nerzhul suggested we prioritise milestones for this and next meeting
18:20 VanessaE Krock: how's that look?
18:20 VanessaE (changed README)
18:22 DS-minetest VanessaE: when digging a open chest, why isn't the crack texture overlay normal on the inside sides?
18:22 Krock VanessaE, +1
18:22 VanessaE DS-minetest: that's an engine irrlicht issue
18:22 Krock ShadowNinja, picking someone who has a good design knowledge is a good idea
18:23 VanessaE I think the texture gets scaled to the size of the actual texture file first, rather than per-face
18:23 DS-minetest ok
18:23 VanessaE Krock: shall I squash?
18:23 Krock since not all screenshots there are good candidates
18:23 Krock VanessaE, can be squashed on merge
18:23 VanessaE ok.
18:23 ShadowNinja Krock: Yeah, of course.
18:24 DS-minetest (btw pause menu has to be translated correctly, it's mixed now eg. mode:Einzelspieler)
18:24 Krock but I don't know who's got time to look at all of them. We'll need a way to find volunteers
18:24 ShadowNinja paramat: Any opinions on the PRs I've posted (We'll cover milestone stuff next).
18:24 Krock DS-minetest, will be done in the next weblate update
18:24 Krock we don't have much to do with the translations
18:25 DS-minetest ok
18:25 Krock the partwise translation is caused by words that are already contain in the dictionary when the pause menu change was done
18:26 paramat ShadowNinja, i looked at logs, no comments for those
18:26 DS-minetest yep, i just wanted that it isnt forgotten :)
18:26 nore uhh the dev meeting, I'll look at bit but I'm quite tired
18:26 nore 1489: I'd say rebase
18:27 Krock 2x rebase, 1x cancel
18:29 nore game 1732 is more neutral from me, while backwards compatibility is a important, extra flexibility is also good and we can't have both at the same time with how the engine works currently, so let's say +0.5
18:30 nore about screenshots: assigning someone (or a group of people) would be good I think; they don't have to be core devs but could just be a group of regular players
18:30 paramat 1732 doesn't actually improve compat
18:31 paramat (see my comments)
18:31 ShadowNinja How about Fix 'alpha' property for liquid nodes (#5494)
18:31 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5494 -- Fix 'alpha' property for liquid nodes by juhdanad
18:31 paramat just makes texturing easier as it's 16x16 instead of a texture map
18:32 DS-minetest VanessaE: i think, the inside texture uvs should be turned
18:32 VanessaE paramat: exactly.
18:32 paramat oh 5494, i need to test that, will do
18:32 ShadowNinja Also, CSM: Fix undocumented API calls (#5756)
18:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5756 -- CSM: Document forgotten functions by SmallJoker
18:32 VanessaE DS-minetest: I'll leave that up to whoever merges it; the textures are already "upright"
18:33 VanessaE paramat: 16px single-tile textures should always be used wherever possible.  texture maps should not be used if they aren't needed.
18:34 paramat i was going to test 5494 anyway so consider me 'on it'
18:34 DS-minetest IMO the the the texture should touch the other half where the open chest is connected
18:35 VanessaE DS-minetest: you mean like a pair of hinges or something?
18:35 DS-minetest yep
18:35 paramat ah the insides texture, vertical would be clearer
18:35 VanessaE I can change it to vertical if you want.
18:36 DS-minetest i think, that would be better
18:36 VanessaE ok
18:36 VanessaE doing it now.
18:36 paramat and applied so that the vertical appearence is what you see with a wide-opened chest
18:37 DS-minetest btw, what is changed at top.png?
18:38 VanessaE ok, vertical tiling implemented for the inside image
18:38 VanessaE top.png should be unchanged, might need to run the images through pngcrush or something maybe
18:39 Krock or just undo the change
18:39 Krock that will ensure that git doesn't mark them as changed
18:39 Krock s/them/it/
18:39 VanessaE I don't recall editing those images at all actually.
18:40 VanessaE oh wait, it's not changed, it's just restored from deleted.
18:42 Fixer about particles, very interesting
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18:43 DS-minetest (crack also looks acceptable now)
18:43 Fixer i connected to Hometown and particle count was >200 for very long time, i've reconnected and it suddenly dropped to 20-30
18:43 Fixer are there problems with particle expiration or something?
18:44 Fixer this clearly need investigation
18:44 Fixer if you want to check particle count, use this code: https://github.com/numberZero/minetest/commit/​f2ada9784a1cfefb013b1b925e5b3b4404776483.diff
18:44 paramat maybe something to do with particle spawners, i seem to remember some discussion about poor behaviour
18:46 Fixer first connect to server, number of particles raises quickly and stabilises at 200-300, topping at 700 once iirc, now, I do quick restart and it goes back to 20-30 particles... this huge particle count may also be linked to my poor fps at times
18:46 VanessaE someone needs to resurrect jin-xi's irrlicht particles work.
18:46 Fixer coincidence. don't think so (c)
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18:47 VanessaE with a decent GPU, you could have 10'000 particles on-screen and barely see a fps drop
18:48 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: Any comments on any PRs I've mentioned?
18:48 Fixer i know i repeated myself, but that was very suggestive to me that something is going on wrong
18:51 rubenwardy particles are so unoptimised
18:51 rubenwardy I don't know how they got merged in that state
18:52 rubenwardy you need to batch particles when sending them to the GPU
18:52 rubenwardy but our custom code uses an individual scene node per particle
18:52 VanessaE wat
19:03 VanessaE now, let's talk about the PB&J Pup again...
19:04 VanessaE why not just put the mod back in, without the sounds or animated candies?
19:04 kilbith oh no, not again...
19:05 kilbith sorry Vanessa
19:05 Fixer minetest crash when pressed /, msvcrt.dll related
19:05 red-002 I would prefer to talk about sn*ak then that
19:05 VanessaE fine :P
19:06 DS-minetest there seems to be a invisible box as the upper part of the door
19:08 paramat there's a narrow nodebox hidden in the hinged edge
19:09 VanessaE I just don't understand why you guys hate that thing so much
19:10 DS-minetest VanessaE: IMHO it doesn't really fir to minetset_game's style
19:10 VanessaE neither did what it replaced :P
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19:16 * DS-minetest doesn't understand, why is doors:hidden a nodebox? the collision box could be changed without that it's look (which is invisible :P) is changed)
19:27 Krock hmm.. particles that don't expire
19:27 Krock this memory issue should be fixed before 0.4.16 if possible
19:28 Krock red-002, sn*ak? *triggered*
19:58 red-002 could someone review #4962?
19:58 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4962 -- Save the name of the world in world.mt and remove invalid characters from the directory name by red-001
20:00 red-002 at this rate I'm wondering if it will get merged at all
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20:12 Fixer if I get msvcrt.dll related minetest.exe crash, will I get useful backtrace in gdb?
20:16 Krock hopefully there's a debug database around to produce helpful output
20:52 paramat 1 week until freeze :O
21:51 red-002 #5757 also needs a bugfix lable
21:51 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5757 -- Improve password change menu by red-001
21:51 red-002 label*
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22:02 Fixer so remember my permanent fps drop bug? I have a clue
22:02 Fixer very probable reason is this: https://i.imgur.com/JWx8ran.png
22:02 Fixer low fps along with it
22:03 Fixer thats probably the main reason, huge amount of particles that decrease fps a lot
22:04 Fixer i'm confident it is this
22:04 Fixer vrange 20, looking at sky, barely 60 fps
22:04 Fixer 400 particles right now
22:05 Fixer cpu bound
22:07 Fixer is it possible to disable particles completely on client, i need this for testing?
22:07 Fixer without ?
22:16 paramat do you still get the problem with particles disabled in basic settings?
22:16 Fixer enable_particles = false does not disable them completely I still get them in graph
22:17 Fixer paramat: it is for dig particles only
22:19 paramat i thought that checkbox disabled all particles
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22:21 paramat oops i see the docs now
22:21 Fixer i wonder if i can write simple lua mod that creates particles like TNT does and then just put second player and start increasing number to control FPS
22:21 paramat yes
22:22 Fixer i will be in another part of map ofc
22:22 Fixer paramat: actually i can use your weather mod =]
22:23 Fixer paramat: the trick is to use two players, one with rain particles, another - without, standing far away
22:23 Fixer since particles are rendered for everybody
22:23 paramat precipitation is guaranteed to be disabled in any desert
22:23 Fixer paramat: how is that mod named?
22:24 paramat https://github.com/paramat/snowdrift
22:24 paramat just do not use in mgv6, not compatible
22:28 paramat and you can edit mod settings to make rain/snow continuous for the other player ..
22:29 Fixer too dumb
22:29 paramat local PRECOFF = 10
22:29 paramat easy
22:29 Fixer searching for desert
22:29 paramat heh good luck
22:30 paramat and of course edit FLAKES and DROPS to alter number of particles
22:31 Fixer hmmm https://i.imgur.com/bTe3sM3.png
22:32 Fixer g_profiler->graphAdd("particles", m_particles.size());
22:32 paramat mod creates a batch of particles every 0.5s
22:33 paramat the overlap of the cycles creates the spike to 320
22:34 paramat any effect by facing away from the other player?
22:37 Fixer paramat: your mod does not render entities for other people
22:37 Fixer interesting
22:37 Fixer let me use some tnt
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22:38 paramat yes because of 'playername = player:get_player_name()'
22:38 Fixer tnt disabled :S
22:38 Fixer sigh
22:38 paramat try commenting that out
22:38 Fixer ok
22:38 paramat .. in 'add particle'
22:39 Fixer ready
22:39 Fixer lets try
22:40 paramat obviously many mods show particles to all players, but a distance limit is needed
22:40 Fixer tnt is enabled in settings but not in game? o.O
22:41 Fixer paramat: yes, detecting particles now
22:41 Fixer from desert
22:42 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/wH0nDqY.png
22:42 Fixer fps jitters a lot on server due to particles
22:43 Fixer let me increase amount
22:43 Fixer local DROPS = 128
22:44 Fixer paramat: yes it does strongly influence fps
22:45 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/ALaqHBW.png
22:55 paramat good work
22:55 paramat this really needs fixing, i think it is high priority
22:56 Fixer another question is why when I reconnect 400 particles washes away into 20, despawn problems?
22:57 paramat not sure, particles should not persist to another game session
22:57 Fixer they don't
22:59 paramat added blocker label
22:59 paramat should be straightforward to fix, hopefully
23:00 paramat added to milestone
23:02 paramat and facing away from other player does not help?
23:02 Fixer nope, still renders
23:03 Fixer i don't think it is a blocker, it does not really hold release, but will be nice to fix
23:04 paramat seems a huge issue to me
23:05 Fixer hmmm
23:07 Fixer paramat: basicly it draws same amount of particles for everybody
23:07 Fixer if someone joins and have rain with 1000 particle... well you will have them too :D
23:08 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/eIEu6ey.png
23:08 Hijiri for that case you could use a spawner with the player option set
23:09 Hijiri if you want to attach the weather spawner to a player you probably want to anyway to avoid overlapping rains
23:09 Fixer my guy leaves rain zone = particle count drops to 0 :}
23:09 Fixer for everyone
23:10 Fixer top kek
23:10 Fixer lets move away from this topic and look at TNT
23:11 rom1504 boom
23:11 Fixer paramat: where is TNT in singleplayer? i see only gun powder
23:11 Fixer paramat: close to newest mtg
23:12 Fixer hold on
23:12 Fixer it is disabled here
23:17 Fixer --------
23:17 Fixer clean install
23:17 Fixer in settings TNT is enabled
23:18 Fixer appears in singleplayer
23:18 Fixer appears on server
23:18 Fixer very strange
23:23 Fixer not strange anymore, probably messed up my config, so it did not appear in inventory, now it does
23:24 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/src/server.cpp#L1702
23:24 paramat "// This sucks and should be replaced by a better solution in a refactor:"
23:24 paramat that is where particles are sent to all clients, no check on distance
23:29 Fixer yeah
23:30 Fixer posted nice screenshot over there
23:36 Hijiri any reviewers for #5612
23:36 Fixer so probably source of that low fps drop is confirmed (particles), that fps drop appared to me on hometown only that also suggests particles, only thing what i need to catch is rare crash in some way related to chat opening (?)
23:36 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5612 -- Allow overriding tool capabilities through itemstack metadata by raymoo
23:37 Fixer instadig should be fixed before release
23:54 paramat yes

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