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IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2016-11-18

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02:26 paramat sofar gmae#1374 is checked so will merge very soon, do you approve of game#1383 ? if so will merge that too
02:26 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1383 -- Default: Add 'group:cools_lava', add to snowblock and ice by paramat
02:26 paramat game#1374
02:26 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1374 -- Convert many textures to indexed, color. by sofar
02:27 garywhite #4400
02:27 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4400 -- Add zoom with new "zoom" privilege by bendeutsch
02:28 paramat closed game#1371
02:28 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1371 -- Make hand in creative mode golden by Wuzzy2
02:30 paramat 4400 was merged
02:31 garywhite paramat: How do I suggest something to be added?
02:32 paramat join github and open a new issue in the issues list
02:32 paramat either engine or MTGame issue list
02:33 garywhite ok
02:35 garywhite #4787
02:35 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4787 -- Mod store like rubenwardy's Mod Manager for Android
03:02 paramat sofar if you consider #3605 ready it can be merged, lots of approval and pilzadam has not responded
03:02 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3605 -- Play tool breaking sounds. by sofar
03:04 paramat it could be merged along with #4782
03:04 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4782 -- Make attached particle spawners respect the parent's yaw (rebased) by orwell96
03:06 garywhite Will someone explain how I pull the latest git for Windows pls?
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05:27 paramat will merge game#1384 soon too
05:27 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1384 -- Creative: Fix missing item bug by tenplus1
05:34 paramat will merge that and game#1374 in a moment
05:34 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1374 -- Convert many textures to indexed, color. by sofar
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05:42 paramat merging
05:43 * sofar wakes up
05:44 garywhite Hi sofar
05:45 garywhite I made a few improvement suggestions to minetest & minetest-game
05:46 paramat merged
05:49 sofar paramat: merge #3605 and close #3754 - if later on we want to refine #3605 we can, #3754 gets us nothing to start
05:49 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3605 -- Play tool breaking sounds. by sofar
05:49 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3754 -- Add on_tool_break callback by BlockMen
05:49 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3605 -- Play tool breaking sounds. by sofar
05:49 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3754 -- Add on_tool_break callback by BlockMen
05:49 sofar sorry for spam :)
05:50 sofar #4782 is ok with me as well, please merge
05:50 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4782 -- Make attached particle spawners respect the parent's yaw (rebased) by orwell96
05:52 paramat great thanks
05:52 sofar game#1383 is fine, is the group actually already handled by code yet?
05:52 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1383 -- Default: Add 'group:cools_lava', add to snowblock and ice by paramat
05:53 paramat it's a new group
05:54 paramat so eventually we can then remove 'group water' from lavacooling, once modders update their groups
05:57 paramat ok i'll merge 3605 and 4782 soon
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05:59 paramat closed 3754
06:02 garywhite #3754
06:02 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3754 -- Add on_tool_break callback by BlockMen
06:02 paramat sofar once 3605 is in is game#801 ready once rebased?
06:02 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/issues/801 -- Add tool breaking sounds. by sofar
06:02 sofar lemme rebase it now
06:02 sofar should take 2 mins
06:03 garywhite #3605
06:03 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3605 -- Play tool breaking sounds. by sofar
06:03 garywhite Sorry that I'm running all these issue numbers, but this is my first time that I've ever put any input into MT development
06:05 paramat the 3605 and 3754 links should be present earlier in chat
06:07 sofar afk
06:07 paramat ok i'll merge 3605 4782 in a moment
06:27 paramat now merging
06:31 paramat merged
06:34 paramat will merge games 801 1383 in an hour
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07:38 paramat actually i'll test game 801 for sound levels
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08:04 paramat levels are an engine issue, so will merge games 801 1383 in a moment
08:12 paramat now merging (again)
08:17 paramat merged
08:43 OldCoder FYI Some commit in the past 2 weeks has broken several worlds; incompatibilities with registration of some sort. I'll debug in due course.
08:43 OldCoder Are there known incompatibilities recently requiring mod patches?
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16:10 red-001 could someone review #4472 ?
16:10 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4472 -- Make serverlist searchable. by red-001
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17:06 sofar red-001: honestly, if you would have made the search simple like I originally requested, I think it would have been merged already :/
17:11 sofar paramat: game#1390 is ok
17:11 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1390 -- Boats: Fix Boat yaw when entering boat by pilino1234
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22:08 OldCoder Are there known world-breaking changes in the past 2 weeks of commits?
22:09 OldCoder About 20% of my worlds seem to break for different reasons with git-current
22:09 OldCoder I will debug, when time permits, and provide details
22:09 OldCoder
22:11 est31 OldCoder: what kind of breakage
22:39 OldCoder est31, excuse delay in response. Error messages related to registration and multiple other issues. I will debug and document. There is not just one issue. Breakage seems broad.
22:39 OldCoder I have gone back to 2 or 3 weeks ago temporarily.
22:40 * OldCoder hopes, temporarily
22:40 OldCoder Just thought I'd ask if there were known changes required for old worlds
22:40 OldCoder
22:40 est31 not really
22:40 OldCoder O.K. Then I will return later this month with documentation if errors persist with new git snapshots.
22:40 OldCoder Thank you.
22:40 est31 thx
22:41 OldCoder P.S. Mob motion seems to be part of it.
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23:05 paramat OldCoder there are always breakages happening. for now, please open an issue and paste the error messages. make sure to use the mtgame version of the exact same date as your engine version
23:06 OldCoder paramat, will collect the messages after further testing. Commented here because the breakage seems broad. Have not isolated it to a single issue.
23:07 OldCoder paramat, I can't use the mtgame version of the exact same date etc. - that is the point
23:07 OldCoder Interesting subject and issue - I have dozens of worlds and the games *can't* be updated. Do you follow?
23:07 OldCoder So, I need to know what changes are needed to keep old worlds running. Are API breaking changes documented?
23:08 paramat ok
23:08 OldCoder I think the subject has just been escalated, though short-term resolution is unlikely...
23:08 OldCoder Proposal is that API changes should be documented
23:08 paramat and yes they should be, possibly in the forum
23:08 OldCoder Is this an option?
23:08 OldCoder OK
23:09 OldCoder Core devs can put responsibility for changes on world maintainers - but must give them a fair shot
23:09 OldCoder Need to have some idea of *what* to change. Are there known API changes in November?
23:10 paramat well there's too much going on to remember
23:10 OldCoder Suggestion is that - to be discussed - when API breakers are merged, they be added to a forum topic
23:10 paramat no-one can help until we see the error messages
23:10 OldCoder A core dev would start the topic
23:10 OldCoder That is separate
23:11 OldCoder The recent errors I've reported, I'll need to come back with details
23:11 OldCoder Moving forward, could a core dev open a forum thread or should I do so?
23:11 OldCoder Request will be for API changes that break things to be announced there
23:11 OldCoder Does this seem an option?
23:12 OldCoder If there is something in the source that says "this breaks API ..." that is fine too
23:12 OldCoder But API changes ought to be documented one way or another if old worlds are to be kept going
23:12 * OldCoder assumes that it is good to keep such worlds alive
23:12 OldCoder
23:19 paramat game#1391 if anyone wants to test swimming sounds
23:19 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1391 -- Default: Add water footstep sounds by paramat
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23:24 OldCoder paramat, should I start that thread or is there a core dev who would do this?
23:24 OldCoder Or might noting API changes in a changelog work?
23:26 paramat no need, we already always notify people
23:27 paramat usually in the 'news' section of the forum
23:36 sofar nodeupdate?
23:36 sofar but yes, document
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