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IRC log for #minetest, 2025-01-20

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00:16 MTDiscord <mark.wiemer> We're also re-writing a lot of docs at dev.luanti.org, feel free to check it out as another general resource 🙂
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01:15 Blockhead256 jemis: (a) it is/was kinda sketch just making money off of Minecraft, always Mojang breathing down your neck. You know, like a certain lawsuit
01:15 Blockhead256 jemius*: Also, the most direct clone of IC2 is IndustrialTest https://github.com/Ocraw/industrialtest
01:16 Blockhead256 ContentDB https://content.luanti.org/packages/mrkubax10/industrialtest/
01:16 Blockhead256 And if you're an old Tekkit head like me, you may like this Equivalent Exchange 2 clone https://github.com/thepython10110/exchangeclone
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01:20 Blockhead256 oh and I forgot point (b) a lot of people in the mainstream modding scenes are very zealously protective of their work. Whereas in Luanti we tend to prefer a whole free sotware stack from the engine up
01:21 Blockhead256 for some of us... the UEFI firmware up or more often the kernel
01:22 Blockhead256 LogoFAIL literally happened because the motherboard vendors rolled their own image processing code instead of something like libpng
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05:50 repetitivestrain It appears that 8719a816 causes the Zombie Piglin model in the latest Mineclonia release to be rendered rotated by 180 degrees
05:50 hottake1237 hot take: No matter what they say, MT is a toolset for creating minecraft clones, and you have to work arround that fact to create anything original or not-minecraft like
05:50 repetitivestrain luatic is Lars Mueller, right
05:51 MTDiscord <wsor4035> aka lmd aka appguru
05:51 repetitivestrain well..will someone fix this very important regression for us
05:51 repetitivestrain thanks in advance
05:53 MTDiscord <greenxenith> hottake1237: Lukewarm at best, but getting hotter as time goes on. Progress is not instantaneous.
05:53 repetitivestrain Btw i don't recognize the algorithm CMatrix4::getScale implements
05:53 repetitivestrain it doesn't appear to be SVD
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09:19 sfan5 repetitivestrain: have you looked at the issue that's open on it?
09:21 sfan5 the current assumption is that there was always a bug in the models that the now-removed workaround hid
10:00 repetitivestrain sfan5: what is stated in the issue makes perfect sense, i remember being perplexed while defining rotations for the model's arm bones
10:01 repetitivestrain but how would correcting our overrides be compatible with older clients?
10:01 repetitivestrain we've only just abandoned 5.8.x for relative bone overrides in 5.9+ and it isn't reasonable to cease to support 5.9 and 5.10 over this issue
10:05 repetitivestrain also would you please mention in the issue that Mineclonia 1.110.0 is also affected
10:17 sfan5 I don't know. please comment yourself.
10:20 sfan5 perhaps fixing the model bug also fixes it in older versions
10:21 sfan5 another wild idea: use remote media to send a different model to different client versions
10:22 repetitivestrain sfan5: unfortunately that is not practical without registering a Microsoft GitHub account
10:23 repetitivestrain sfan5: the model is not buggy, the bug only appears when its arm bones are rotated by means of bone overrides
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12:46 MTDiscord <luatic> repetitivestrain: I am exploring workarounds. What's buggy are technically the bone overrides, though there may be model-side ways to work around this.
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14:34 ROllerozxa spammers are aware IRC still exists??
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14:34 zleap looks like it
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14:35 zleap just put spammer on ignore
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17:08 krisbug does this work :)
17:09 MTDiscord <luatic> (: yes
17:09 ireallyhateirc what exactly?
17:09 ireallyhateirc :)
17:09 krisbug i was testing if i set up my bouncer on libera correctly lol
17:10 krisbug looks like it works fine
17:12 jonadab Yes, there are spammers who are aware that IRC exists.  Not the *majority* of spammers, mind.  But enough.
17:13 jonadab The ones that hit many channels, are generally dealt with at the network level, typically with IP bans.
17:13 jonadab But then they go get a new IP and get a few more messages through before they get k-lined again.
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17:34 Zamolxis heya everyone!
17:37 wsor4035 sfan5: seems irc.minetest.net isnt showing and/or logging #minetest-docs btw?
17:38 ROllerozxa https://irc.minetest.net/minetest-docs/2025-01-20
17:38 ROllerozxa (plural -docs)
17:38 MTDiscord <wsor4035> ah, so the main slug is linked wrong
17:39 MTDiscord <wsor4035> ah, there is two entries
17:39 MTDiscord <wsor4035> (sorry)
17:40 sfan5 funny how we silently passed more than 10 years logged for the main channel
17:41 SwissalpS \o/ happy decade-aversary \o/
17:42 ROllerozxa if ilbot has the ability to, splitting up the channel list into two categories, one for actually active channels (main, -dev, -docs and -hub) and one for archived channels (-delta, -doc, -mods, -project) would be nice
17:44 sfan5 ilbot is a perl project last updated in 2018
17:44 sfan5 not to say I didn't fix one or the other bug in the web UI but I don't plan to touch it more than necessary
17:44 ROllerozxa understandable
17:45 ROllerozxa I assume most people find the IRC logs through the IRC wiki page anyways, which only lists active channels
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19:39 jemius I've downloaded some texture packs, but where can I now activate them?
19:40 sfan5 content tab
19:41 SwissalpS click on the pack in the list on the left and then on the activate button on the right
19:43 jemius ah. I see
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19:54 jemius Is there a specific reason why Minetest is described as only in "maintainence mod with no new features"? I suppose this is a deliberate decision to grant stability
19:55 MTDiscord <wsor4035> minetest isnt, minetest game is
19:56 MTDiscord <wsor4035> https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2710
19:58 jemius wait a second – when you say "minetest", do you mean yet another game within Luanti, or do you call Luanti minetest?
19:59 Desour luanti is the new name for minetest. it is the engine
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20:06 jemius So the original Minetest game is holding the development of Luanti back? According to the issue above
20:06 jemius Not sure I fully understand it. It seems to be about making Luanti a platform for all sorts of games
20:06 jemius But if MTG is on halt, is there a spiritual successor?
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20:09 MTDiscord <wsor4035> no
20:09 MTDiscord <wsor4035> and there wont be, at this time anyways
20:21 * jemius is confused
20:26 rubenwardy jemius: luanti is a game creation platform with multiple games available
20:26 rubenwardy Minetest Game is one such game, and is maintenance only
20:26 rubenwardy But luanti is still actively developed
20:27 jemius yeah, but I thought the project is mostly about being mod-friendly, and a mod always needs a base game
20:27 jemius It does seem to me that most servers host Minetest and Mineclonia, though
20:28 rubenwardy You can still use Minetest Game. Maintenance only means that bugs are fixed and it's updated with the engine. It's just not receiving new gameplay features, that's left to mods
20:33 ireallyhateirc it didn't receive much gameplay features back when it was actually in "development"
20:34 ireallyhateirc so all that changed is mostly that it's not considered official but it still lives in the community's heart (and in my head rent free)
20:37 jemius Sounds basically to me like Minecraft, but without adding a new unicorn or crazy villagers with every release
20:38 ireallyhateirc while I'm not that big fan of Minecraft, Minetest Game lacks enjoyable base gameplay
20:40 jemius IMO the enjoyable part always stemed from multiplayer, not from having to collect food or fighting monsters
20:41 ireallyhateirc it's a sandbox so people pick the kind of gameplay they like
20:41 ireallyhateirc some people prefer building over adventure
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20:52 jemius So when you want to write a mod, is it a "mistake" to sit on top of MTG? In the sense of you not being portable?
20:53 ireallyhateirc jemius, it's not a mistake. What happened was that basically people considered MTG to be a bad advertisment for the project (as it lacks interesting gameplay) and retired it from the function of the official base game
20:53 ireallyhateirc if MTG is what you want and consider worth your time then go for it
20:55 ireallyhateirc MTG has a huge number of legacy and maintained mods because it was once official
20:58 jemius I mean, if you want to add some interesting functionality to "Minecraft" without dealing with Microsoft's BS then it seems sitting on top of MTG or Mineclonia is the way to go
21:04 ireallyhateirc I mostly play Exile and make my own game for Luanti so I don't pay much attention to MTG and the 1:1 minecraft clones
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