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Blockhead256 |
ireallyhateirc to be honest I've been following your shelf stuff over the past week or so, and I'm not sure but maybe you're trying to make something that does too much |
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ireallyhateirc |
I am, yes |
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ireallyhateirc |
this is probably overengineered |
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Blockhead256 |
instead of making something generic, make several less generic things. Multiples are okay, abstraction isn't everything |
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ireallyhateirc |
what do you mean exactly? |
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Blockhead256 |
you might consider "this is a node that holds four items on a shelf" and "this is a pedestal" and "this holds one node inside a liquid tank" instead of "this object holds objects" |
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Blockhead256 |
they can all share some code or at least similarity in API, but be useful for different stuff |
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ireallyhateirc |
right now I'm adding a shelf positioner that simply defines rows and offsets |
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ireallyhateirc |
positioner is the piece of code that tells the itemstore where to put item entities |
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ireallyhateirc |
it can be generic or can be more complex but it's up to the users to define their more complex stuff |
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ireallyhateirc |
I'll provide basic abstraction for simple shelves, and such |
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Blockhead256 |
to make it easier you might include some presets for positions rather than needing everyone to write their positioning code, and that can be enough for a lot of use cases |
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ireallyhateirc |
I'll do so |
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ireallyhateirc |
I'll probably provide also some shelf nodes |
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Blockhead256 |
I would consider putting the library and the nodes in different mods, probably inside the same pack |
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Blockhead256 |
anyway that's my 2c |
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ireallyhateirc |
I'll provide examples with the API (probably commented) |
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ireallyhateirc |
My work is inspired by this mod: https://content.luanti.org/packages/zorman2000/itemshelf/ |
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ireallyhateirc |
I actually took small pieces of code from it and builtin/item_entity.lua |
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ireallyhateirc |
but the original used formspec |
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ireallyhateirc |
the original mod was quite inflexible and didn't work well for my stuff |
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erle |
anyone at 38C3? |
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MTDiscord |
<siliconsniffer> Didn't get a ticket :-/ |
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ireallyhateirc |
further shelf progress: https://files.catbox.moe/qcfze6.mp4 |
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ireallyhateirc |
chatGPT please rewrite this minecraft mod from Java to Lua |
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cheapie |
sfan5: I have to wonder if this "testfan5" player is you or just someone with a similar name |
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sfan5 |
yes :) |
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cheapie |
In that case, hi, from about 10km below :P |
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cheapie |
Floor 4 of that concrete building I showed has even more nodeboxes (lots of techage TA4 tubes) now if you want that for testing. |
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sfan5 |
I stuck around at spawn since the FPS there are not quite what should be expected |
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cheapie |
VE-C (daconcepts.com:37000)'s spawn is a lot heavier |
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cheapie |
My grandparents got a digital picture frame as a gift a few days ago... I thought the UI looked a bit Android-y.... |
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cheapie |
https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/IMG_20241227_130814.webp - that's not a picture it's showing :D |
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jonadab |
How are you doing _input_ on one of those things? |
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jonadab |
They have, like, four buttons, total. |
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jonadab |
Including the power button. |
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cheapie |
touchscreen |
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jonadab |
Oh, interesting. I've never seen one with that feature. |
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cheapie |
But also it has a USB host port *and* it's rooted out of the box, so I'm sure I could figure something out even if it didn't :P |
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jonadab |
USB keyboard was gonna be my first guess. |
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cheapie |
SuperTuxKart runs too, only about 15 FPS though :/ |
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jonadab |
I've seen them with USB ports, intended for USB flash drives full of photos. |
| 19:43 |
jonadab |
So there's no _theoretical_ reason why a USB keyboard wouldn't work with that hardware, if the OS supports it. Which Android should. |
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jonadab |
Hmm, I don't think I know SuperTuxKart. I remember TuxRacer from... a few years ago. |
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jonadab |
THAT had pretty substantial perf requirements compared to other open-source games _at the time_ but it has been a while. |
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jonadab |
Of course there's always Hunt the Wumpus. Or NetHack. |
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sfan5 |
!seen gpcf |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: gpcf was last seen at 2022-04-05 15:39:43 UTC on #minetest |
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Krock |
sfan5: the areas/async.lua is used as regular dofile() as fallback for older versions |
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Krock |
see init.lua |
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sfan5 |
minetest 5.0.0 has it |
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Krock |
for some reason I thought it was about register_async_dofile. I can't read so yes, that makes sense. Thanks for pointing out. |
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cheapie |
sfan5: Other creative server, the "Dreambuilder creative" one, not "creative-building" |
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cheapie |
(unless VE-Building is doing what you want, in which case have fun :P) |
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sfan5 |
oh |
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sfan5 |
the spawn on that one also leads to frame drops for me tho |
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cheapie |
VE-Building (port 30008) is the "lightweight" (by VanessaE standards...) one, VE-Creative (port 37000) is the heavy one |
| 21:15 |
cheapie |
VanessaE doesn't actually run either one any more, but most of the mods date back to when she did. |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ve-c mods are kept up to date: https://github.com/VE-Creative-Server/worldmods, dunno about the other one. maybe lminus will get to it eventually |
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cheapie |
I mean the mod selection, not updates |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ah, sorry |
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cheapie |
(...do you have "VE-Creative" on your highlight list or something? :P) |
| 21:17 |
wsor4035 |
no, im just around and reading |
| 21:17 |
wsor4035 |
holidays and all |
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wsor4035 |
sfan5: figured we should move from -dev, which server? if ve-building probably outdated, i can check |
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sfan5 |
port 30008 |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> given the git remote on ilights is still pointing at gitlab, thats out of date |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> yeah, the use texture alpha was added after the mod moved https://github.com/mt-mods/ilights/blame/master/init.lua#L176 |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> tldr: that servers mods are outdated |
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sfan5 |
led_marquee, vessels:shelf too |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> sends vessels back sfan5 since thats in mtg |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://github.com/mt-mods/led_marquee/blob/528d8b7a5842fbd3d3ed5e328924851f2800486c/init.lua#L425 probably should be clip? just eyeballing textures |
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cheapie |
I would expect "opaque" if I'm remembering right what that mod looks like |
| 22:49 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> thats the default, so you dont even need to set it |
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cheapie |
It used to whine if you didn't IIRC |
| 22:49 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> stuff like https://github.com/mt-mods/led_marquee/blob/master/textures/led_marquee_single_led_on.png and https://github.com/mt-mods/led_marquee/blob/master/textures/led_marquee_leds_on_cursor.png has alpha |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> >The default is "opaque" for drawtypes normal, liquid and flowingliquid, mesh and nodebox or "clip" otherwise. |
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cheapie |
IIRC the default in 5.8 and below was "blend but whine about it in the log" |
| 22:50 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> idk, if its whining about the default and wanting that explicitly set, thats just plain stupid. i dont recall that happening however |
| 22:50 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i think your thinking about when it was set to boolean |
| 22:51 |
cheapie |
That was different whining (and I think it still does that?) |
| 22:51 |
cheapie |
5.9 definitely changed the default |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> well the compatibility fallback was remove in 5.9 so that booleans didnt work anymore |
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sfan5 |
wsor4035: MTG vessels does not set this |
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sfan5 |
i bet it's homedecor overriding it |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> probably |
| 22:51 |
cheapie |
booleans still work (with a warning), they're just deprecated |
| 22:52 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> not since 5.9 |
| 22:52 |
cheapie |
Then the docs are wrong |
| 22:52 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> sfan: https://github.com/mt-mods/homedecor_modpack/blob/b51d27135b4fb49d2f5d34547bc5297d0bef29c2/homedecor_3d_extras/init.lua#L16 |
| 22:53 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> (correct) |
| 22:53 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> homedecor_3d_vessels_shelf_glass.png has transparency, so that should be blend |
| 22:54 |
cheapie |
wsor4035: Looks like this is the commit that changed it, the default for nodebox used to be "clip": https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d1a55e9ca4e66d8ba2d799569de7a6b48bc15f23 |
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sfan5 |
"it has transparency" does not mean "blend" |
| 22:55 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> the image has pixels that are neither fully opaque or fully transparent, so its not clip |
| 22:55 |
cheapie |
re: led_marquee - that mod's use of alpha is entirely "opaque_texture.png^partially_transparent_texture.png" and similar, isn't it? I'd think that would still render OK with "opaque" |
| 22:56 |
sfan5 |
in that case sure |
| 22:56 |
sfan5 |
wondering which part of the shelf is semi-transparent tho |
| 22:56 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> the image for reference https://github.com/mt-mods/homedecor_modpack/blob/b51d27135b4fb49d2f5d34547bc5297d0bef29c2/homedecor_3d_extras/textures/homedecor_3d_vessels_shelf_glass.png |
| 22:57 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> cheapie: not if you want to see the base color behind the overlaid color |
| 22:57 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> *overlaid texture |
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cheapie |
That... doesn't sound right, but I've admittedly never tried it that I can remember. |
| 22:58 |
sfan5 |
use_texture_alpha does not impact texture overlaying or generation (how could it?) |
| 22:59 |
sfan5 |
i guess the client knows where a texture is being used, but that'd be weirdly context-sensitive |
| 22:59 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i was thinking it ran per texture, but yeah im dumb, its on the final result as the node is rendered |
| 22:59 |
sfan5 |
we have shitty APIs but not *that* bad |
| 23:00 |
sfan5 |
re shelf: I don't think the glass bottles have to be semi-transparent, it's an easy trade off to make |
| 23:00 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> anyways, cloning homedecor in 5.10 for testing to see about shelfs |
| 23:00 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> since i probably shouldnt test in 5.9 |
| 23:03 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> looking at the bottles from different angles already looks pretty shitty rendering |
| 23:03 |
cheapie |
Always has, IIRC |
| 23:05 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> thoughts? |
| 23:05 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1322339613318184960/image.png?ex=6770843b&is=676f32bb&hm=c2e356889488dde70a7425e90b94b505e0ad86a7dbc435bc9b7f9df5e7e14d5b& |
| 23:06 |
sfan5 |
the bottle *itself* is transculent? how does that make sense |
| 23:06 |
sfan5 |
I thought it was maybe just like a glass part |
| 23:06 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> no idea, message vanessae on irc if you really care to find out |
| 23:07 |
sfan5 |
is it supposed to be made of steel |
| 23:07 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> looking at the bottle from different angles reveals the terrible (i assume) geometry inside |
| 23:07 |
sfan5 |
!seen vanessae |
| 23:07 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: vanessae was last seen at 2021-09-03 21:13:13 UTC on #minetest-hub |
| 23:07 |
sfan5 |
that's a while |
| 23:07 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> they left minetest, but are still around irc |
| 23:07 |
sfan5 |
ah |
| 23:07 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> at least last i knew |
| 23:08 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> the mods are at mt-mods now, hence my involvement |
| 23:08 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> anyways, this is trival enough ill just push a fix for it |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://github.com/mt-mods/homedecor_modpack/commit/7bf4f8e18534df2486bf47411bfc93b97896dd4d done |
| 23:12 |
sfan5 |
what about vessels:steel_bottle or vessels:glass_bottle? |
| 23:14 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> you say these now lol |
| 23:14 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> steel bottle doesnt have use texture alpha |
| 23:14 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> drinking glass does |
| 23:15 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1322342045657993266/image.png?ex=6770867f&is=676f34ff&hm=67a2ca171a4c80519e60856ff283b85ea06c6749f052083468887c91f11c3a13& |
| 23:15 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> seems better |
| 23:15 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> thoughts? |
| 23:15 |
sfan5 |
lgtm |
| 23:16 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> any other nodes sfan5 before i push these? lol |
| 23:16 |
sfan5 |
give me 5 minutes |
| 23:17 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> cheapie: you wouldnt happen to have a quick program for testing led marque would you? |
| 23:20 |
cheapie |
No, I've never liked them much (too big). I do have a few programs that use them but only very basic functions. |
| 23:20 |
sfan5 |
more like 15 min actually |
| 23:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> for anyone wondering, digiline_send("a","a") is a simple test program to make them show a message |
| 23:22 |
cheapie |
Yes, but that's about what I meant with how it barely tests any of the functions :P |
| 23:24 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> yeah, these should always be on a black background, so we dont need alpha at all |
| 23:25 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://github.com/mt-mods/led_marquee/commit/7a8b53474dfedb676e3d85e10c6d5d1cbbc5a260 done |
| 23:31 |
sfan5 |
wsor4035: https://0x0.st/8sTQ.txt |
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sfan5 |
no guarantees on accuracy |
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sfan5 |
(only logs once for each texture) |
| 23:33 |
sfan5 |
or here on another server https://0x0.st/8sT1.txt |
| 23:34 |
cheapie |
> 2024-12-28 00:29:31: WARNING[Main]: Texture "firealarm_hornstrobe_top.png" has simple transparency, but is used as semi-transparent (node firealarm:hornstrobe_on). Adjust use_texture_alpha for better performance. |
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cheapie |
Is "blend for one texture but opaque for another on the same node" even an option? |
| 23:35 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 23:35 |
sfan5 |
I tried to avoid that case and not log it tho |
| 23:36 |
cheapie |
FWIW that node has tiles of { "firealarm_hornstrobe_top.png", "firealarm_hornstrobe_top.png", "firealarm_hornstrobe_side.png", "firealarm_hornstrobe_side.png", "firealarm_hornstrobe_back.png", (some animated [combine monstrosity) } |
| 23:37 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://github.com/mt-mods/homedecor_modpack/issues/88, future/tommorrow me problem |
| 23:37 |
cheapie |
The "[combine monstrosity" has 9 textures with simple transparency and one with partially-transparent pixels |
| 23:37 |
cheapie |
(and is animated) |
| 23:37 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> btw, thanks sfan5 |
