Time Nick Message 04:31 Blockhead256 I think we can agree that this post https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?p=440541#p440541 is an AI ripoff of wheat8's right? 04:32 MTDiscord will give a response when the forum loads in 8 decades 04:33 MTDiscord ah, good old 504 04:34 Blockhead256 classic 04:35 Blockhead256 well when a brand new account joins and writes a "new game concept" that reads like ChatGPT and wheat8 comments "wow this looks like my idea that I posted yesterday", it could hardly seem more suspicious 04:38 Blockhead256 just wanted a second opinion before I go and banhammer indiscriminately though 04:38 MTDiscord ill say sure, totally - even tho ive never seen it 04:39 MTDiscord i suppose worse case if you sucessfully get the forum to load enough to ban them and them to also see the ban status, they can come here and ask 04:40 Blockhead256 yeah that's just it, I doubt such a thing would happen, these AI "writers" are all fly-by-nights 04:40 MTDiscord Now now, it was very difficult to type that 7 word prompt 15:34 shaft Where's the linux version of luanti? What's taking so long? Did the name change cause any package names to change? 15:38 MTDiscord <_devsh_> @luatic done 15:53 sfan5 I think you need to ask the people who "make" the linux version, not us. 15:56 shaft rubenwardy made ubuntu releases 15:56 shaft up to 5.9.1 15:57 rubenwardy Launchpad git imports weren't running last I tried 15:59 shaft So the site isn't working right? 16:03 shaft sad. I hope you'll get it fixed 16:46 MTDiscord There do seem to be fresh daily builds (which seem to just be 5.10?): https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds 17:29 NQN hey folks -- i want to do the luanti game jam but I'm somewhat confused about the rules -- it says not to base your entry off and existing game, but does that apply to the core Minetest Game as well? And it says libraries and boilerplate are allowed--does that include using mods? Like if I want mobs, it seems like I would either use the Mobs mod or 17:29 NQN I'd be doing a ton of from-scratch work for a basic feature. 17:37 MTDiscord You can't use minetest game, but you can use extracted parts of minetest game, such as using the defripper mod to collect the node definitions for decorative nodes from minetest game. You can use the mobs api, but you should use the api with your own custom mobs. Does that make sense? 17:38 NQN yeah. I just found the Void game which claims to contain nothing -- that seems like a decent starting point just to get the directory structure generated for me? 17:39 NQN my idea is way too big to make in the jam time without mixing/matching mods more freely, so I just need to save that idea for later 17:43 MTDiscord I made an operating system for the last one lol 17:43 MTDiscord YOU GO MAKE THAT GAME! 17:43 MTDiscord Even if it doesn't get finished, submit it, broken, finish it later 17:43 MTDiscord People have submitted games that were pretty heavily based on MTG in the past (e.g. I think Occupy Moon) and while they haven't been outright disqualified, they did not fare well in the scoring. "Just another MTG soup" is not what audiences are looking to see in a jam game, and with an existing framework that dominating, it's hard to inject enough real originality in the core gameplay to make it stand out positively. 17:44 NQN can I get an invite link to the Discord? I would have joined the Discord instead of logging onto IRC if I knew  there was one haha 17:45 MTDiscord Anyone can find the Discord invite on https://www.luanti.org/get-involved/ 17:45 Krock IRC is the way to go. 17:45 MTDiscord We have taken another one of your users 17:46 MTDiscord Chat platform rivalry is a waste of time and energy 😒 17:46 MTDiscord We have the chat bridged because our focus is Luanti first and the chat platforms are just along for the ride. 17:46 MTDiscord https://tenor.com/view/dog-puppy-alien-abduction-ufo-chinese-meme-gif-12647093585077850974 17:47 NQN now I'm in the discord and I can't find the bridge channel 17:48 NQN oh maybe because I didn't do the things 17:48 MTDiscord You can't access that until you become an elite mod developer supreme 17:48 MTDiscord Also you have to talk a lot 17:48 Warr1024 Discord has some conveniences which matter a lot for some users, and very little for others. It comes with some annoyances, like the platform's constant shilling of paid services, and some risks, like the fact that it's controlled by private parties. Even if Discord is right for you, definitely remember IRC as at least a fallback. 17:49 MTDiscord Yeah, the bridge channels aren't available immediately to new users to mitigate spambot risk. 17:51 NQN It's been such a long time since I started learning a new engine from scratch. I gotta get over my ego and acknowledge that I know nothing and need to start at the basics 17:52 NQN (pathetic :P ) 17:53 MTDiscord Well sfan5 and jeija had to teach me how to use the print function so I think you're probably further ahead than that 17:53 NQN I haven't typed any Lua yet 17:53 MTDiscord GASP 17:53 NQN I'm just letting myself get overwhelmed and complaining about it 17:54 NQN the journey of a thousand miles starts with astronomical ambition and a full-blown mental breakdown, as they say 17:54 MTDiscord https://onecompiler.com/lua/ quickly use the print function 17:55 MTDiscord jordan: i never want to see onecompiler.com again 17:56 MTDiscord Fine twocompiler.com 17:56 MTDiscord https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585 17:57 MTDiscord I usually just use gdb online when I need to translate C to fortran and double check 17:58 MTDiscord But I have used that onecompiler when writing bits of scrap code, what is wrong with it? 17:58 MTDiscord i vaguely remember it being shit for lua. (also their branding really puts me off) 17:59 MTDiscord Well dang, you gotta try real hard to mess up the simplest scripting language 20:40 shaft @luatic yes but I use the stable branch. I don't suddenly want to be updated to some dev version 20:41 shaft In terms of Flatpak vs Appimage I prefer AppImage too. https://github.com/An0n3m0us/Minetest-AppImages/releases showed it's possible to build appimages of minetest 20:41 shaft *Luanti 22:36 Mantar quick question, how high does something have to be before it stops casting a shadow? 23:20 erle Mantar you might want to specify if you think of the voxel light value or dynamic shadows