Time  Nick       Message
14:11 Norkle     :]
18:48 alguien    cheapie, hi - i have a question/bug report
18:49 alguien    If I pass the touchscreen a quazi-texture with only the botched modifier "[combine!" my client crashes (and I am hardlocked, because it crashes every time I try to rejoin)
18:49 alguien    However, when I try to render the same quazi-texture using formspec directly, it doesn't crash my client
18:51 alguien    Would you happen to know why that is? Would you want a bug report with the two test cases? If so, where's your bug tracker? Or if you think it's a lua api bug or something, let me know I should report to the engine.
20:13 cheapie    In case someone else sees alguien again before I do - client crashing sounds like an engine bug (but it's hard to tell when the actual crash message wasn't given...). If there is a bug in the mod I would recommend having mt-mods fix it in their fork, as the original is no longer maintained.
20:42 Krock      rubenwardy: the rubenwardy.com certificate expired about 2 hours ago
20:44 rubenwardy It would be nice if certbot could support namecheap so I don't have to do this manually every 3 months
20:46 rubenwardy I suppose I could run my own ns/dns servers
20:47 Krock      cronjob?
20:47 rubenwardy fixed
20:47 MTDiscord  <paradust> isn't there something that can run on the webserver itself?
20:47 rubenwardy Krock: I need to manually edit my DNS settings to verify the wildcard cert
20:47 MTDiscord  <paradust> ah
20:47 Krock      fixed. except the image that you linked in the FOSDEM post is N/A: https://rubenwardy.com/static/portfolio/freenode_live_2018_full.jpg
20:48 Krock      @ https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=430812#p430812
20:48 rubenwardy content.minetest.net is fine as it's a single certificate, not a wildcard, only does well-known verification
20:48 rubenwardy Removed the image
20:49 rubenwardy looks like people have written manual scripts for this https://simon.aldrich.cc/blog/2021/04/automating-lets-encrypt-wildcard-certificates-with-the-namecheap-api/
20:49 Krock      so cronjob it is.
20:50 rubenwardy I already use a cronjob, you need more than that
20:51 Krock      petition to remove the internet with all its complicated issues
20:52 Mantar     yeah, rewrite the internet in rust plz :)
20:53 rubenwardy namecheap is the second most used registrar in the world, I feel like the options should be less sketchy
20:53 rubenwardy I suppose most people just don't have ~30 subdomains
20:55 Krock      almost all domains listed on freedns do have >30 subdomains with the difference that they're not using a certificate for them
20:55 Krock      so yes your case is special.
20:56 alguien    cheapie, got my message?
20:57 cheapie    alguien: Client crashing sounds like an engine bug (but it's hard to tell when the actual crash message wasn't given...). If there is a bug in the mod I would recommend having mt-mods fix it in their fork, as the original is no longer maintained.
20:57 Krock      alguien: https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2024-02-10
20:58 alguien    if it were the engine, wouldn't it crash when showing the formspec sans the touchscreen?
20:58 alguien    thanks Krock
20:58 cheapie    Are you using the exact same formspec the touchscreen came up with? (and you're still not giving the error message)
20:58 alguien    and thanks for the reply cheapie
20:59 alguien    cheapie, something so terrible happens that the log doesn't record anything before crashing
20:59 alguien    I'll give you the formspec code which works, and touchscreen code which crashes
21:00 alguien    well works, fails gracefully with the message in the log. That one I can give you as well, sec
21:00 cheapie    What, it just exits without saying *anything*, not even a segfault?
21:08 alguien    cheapie, https://paste.debian.net/1306904/
21:09 alguien    could be segfualt, can't find it in the log now, trying
21:09 alguien    idk, it's like i saw "core dumped" running strace minetest
21:10 alguien    but in the log I don't see any additional info
21:10 alguien    Wait, i'll recreate it once again, will see what it says exactly
21:11 alguien    oh wait, i found the tab in which I have the trace output
21:11 cheapie    If it's segfaulting then there's an engine bug here, formspecs shouldn't be able to do that.
21:11 alguien    Last three lines: Invalid size of image for texture. / +++ killed by SIGFPE (core dumped) +++ / Floating point exception (core dumped)
21:12 cheapie    Yeah, IMO the engine should just give up trying to process that "texture" and not crash.
21:12 cheapie    (or even abort processing the formspec entirely, that would be preferable to crashing)
21:14 alguien    I think it does that in the formspec-only case. As you might've noticed by the background, the error message is a screenshot of the message from within the game
21:14 alguien    *the background of the image I linked in the paste
21:15 alguien    And yeah, it makes no sense to me either that one thing works and the other does not. That's why I'm contacting you
21:17 cheapie    You're not escaping the [ in the texture name in the first one you showed, so it's probably getting confused there and not even getting to the texmod stuff.
21:17 alguien    will try
21:18 alguien    nope still works.
21:18 alguien    no message in-game either, maybe that was from a different try
21:18 alguien    this is the line now FYR: image[1,1;10,10;\[combine!]
21:20 alguien    maybe minetest.escape_formspec_string (or whatever the function's called) does someting different?
21:20 alguien    let me try
21:20 cheapie    It's been ages since I've poked at this stuff, but you might need two backslashes.
21:24 alguien    barring any invisible chars, minetest.formspec_escape gives the same: "\[quote!"
21:24 alguien    ah, trying
21:26 alguien    Still works. Forgive long delays, I currently have a weird setup
21:27 alguien    this time the error message appeared saying cannot load image "\[combine!" - perhaps you don't need to escape the open bracket after all?
21:28 cheapie    I think at this point this is enough of me offering support for an unsupported mod - about all I can really say at this point is to perhaps try using a formspec closer to what the touchscreen does, and if you still get nothing then perhaps talk to an engine dev who might be more familiar with those bits.
21:29 alguien    ok, thanks for the attmpet
21:29 alguien    attempt
21:29 cheapie    If you do find a mod bug then let the mt-mods people know as they'll probably want to fix it in their version if they haven't already.
21:30 alguien    ok, thanks
21:34 alguien    I don't get it, I can no longer reproduce the issue
21:36 alguien    eh, that's enough for today, maybe i get it next time (will report)
23:32 whosita    Hello. Are node timers "reliable"?
23:33 whosita    if I start a node timer, and server crashes before it times out...
23:33 whosita    will it trigger after server is restarted or no?
23:34 whosita    I guess I can just try...
23:37 sfan5      that's not a simple yes no question
23:38 sfan5      they are saved more often than just at shutdown at least
23:50 Mantar     re: reliability, node timers can sometimes die silently if there are large numbers of them
23:51 Mantar     I had to add an ABM to Exile to restart certain nodes when their timers die