Time Nick Message 00:04 migdyn Can I get a temp unban at least for the duration of the jam? 00:40 hephaestus is there some place where may I get minetest-server compiled to ubuntu? Last year I do that but I didnt save the path, because I'm using ubuntu 22.04 and I want the 5.8 version and just find 5.4 00:40 MTDiscord use the ppa 00:41 MTDiscord I can offer you docker images 00:41 MTDiscord sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable sudo apt update sudo apt install minetest 00:41 hephaestus I install from ppa, but I cant find the minetest-server 00:41 hephaestus *installed 00:41 MTDiscord No hyphen 00:41 MTDiscord minetest --server 00:42 MTDiscord Oh it doesn't install the minetestserver binary? 00:42 MTDiscord I guess the difference is negligible enough. 00:43 hephaestus well i cant find that, just minetes at /usr/bin 00:43 hephaestus but there is a folder at /var/games/minetest-server 00:43 MTDiscord minetest --server is essentially the same as minetestserver for most purposes 00:44 hephaestus a public server is ok? 00:44 MTDiscord sure 00:45 hephaestus and I have to download a minetst game, right? 00:45 MTDiscord yeah 00:46 hephaestus sorry, whats the meaning shill 00:46 MTDiscord Install mineos if you're feeling particularly enterprise 00:47 MTDiscord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill, scroll to internet 00:48 MTDiscord minetest --server is as far as I know literally the same as minetestserver except that there are a few megabytes of unused code that won't run and won't have a meaningful effect on your server anyway. The minetestserver binary is probably as much about fast compiles as it is about loading less binary. 00:48 MTDiscord Is mineos even multiplayer? 👀 00:49 MTDiscord It can be if you try, I'll make that happen one day and it'll be the worst user experience ever pumped through a cpu 00:50 MTDiscord It will still be glorious 00:51 hephaestus wsor4035 I already didn't understand what you meaning about shill, in portuguese dont sounds ok. But I guess it was a joke 00:52 MTDiscord basically i was joking saying that people should insert recommendations for there games/ones they have a vested interest instead of minetest game 00:53 Mantar [insert plug for Exile] 00:53 Mantar "Do you like dying? We've got dying!" :D 00:54 hephaestus warr1024 so I was using minetestserver but I updated ubuntu to 22 and lost the data by other trouble. I remember that I download the last version and just unzip 00:55 hephaestus wsor4035 I think that was a joke, wikipedia sometimes is not a good reference to other languages because the translates mmaybe not work ok 00:55 hephaestus :D 00:56 MTDiscord I'm a Debian user so I have very little experience running MT out of apt packages, it's virtually not even an option on Debian 😂 00:56 Mantar MT 5.6.0 is in debian stable now though 00:57 hephaestus at Debian, I can get the 5.8 version? I can change :D 00:57 MTDiscord You can get 5.8 in Debian but it will probably require you to wait like 2 to 5 years first, so I wouldn't recommend it. 00:57 hephaestus Debian 11 is available to me 00:58 hephaestus oh I understand 00:58 MTDiscord You can get it by compiling it yourself but that's not something you should have to do just to run a server unless you want custom options or to do engine dev. 00:58 MTDiscord FlatPak is an option but the thought of running a proper server on that sound kinda terrible. 00:59 MTDiscord Docker is, I would argue, the sanest way to manage a server, but it does require some investment in learning docker. 00:59 hephaestus yeah, flatpak is not a good experience 00:59 MTDiscord wsor's PPA suggestion sounds best to me, it's just that unfortunately I don't know much about it specifically. 01:00 hephaestus oh I didnt understand docker, I tryied all day 01:00 hephaestus yeah well, in this case form ppa installation, I just need to download the minetestgame 01:01 Mantar Eh, compiling's not hard, and debian makes it pretty easy with "apt build-dep" 01:02 MTDiscord Compiling isn't hard, it's just ... annoying 😅 01:02 hephaestus Mantar, but in Debian 11 can I get 5.8 version 01:03 Mantar yeah, there's no reason you couldn't get 5.8 working in Debian 11, but it's not in the official packages 01:03 MTDiscord If you use the Ubuntu PPA then it MAY be possible to get 5.8 that way on debian, but I've had mixed results using Ubuntu PPAs on debian. 01:03 MTDiscord You can almost certainly compile it yourself on debian 11; it's not different from the 12 I run in any way that would make a difference to MT that I know of. 01:06 hephaestus I understand. The problem to intall MT from ppa on ubuntu is the folders are not in the same main folder 01:06 hephaestus I didnt find yet the game folder to download minetesgame :D 01:06 Mantar I had success with the appimages from the forum, too 01:07 Mantar flatpaks usually gave me trouble, like most other "one package manager to rule them all" projects 01:07 hephaestus appimages? I'll see that 01:08 hephaestus is to desktop Mantar? 01:08 Mantar yeah, or whatever folder you install it to 01:09 MTDiscord FlatPaks in my experience are a tolerable way to go if you want to "just play" as a client or single player. That's about all I really rely on them for. 01:09 hephaestus oh I'm install a server 01:39 hephaestus I guess I found, it was a script from originally of Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=26509 01:40 hephaestus posted by Gael-de-Sally 08:04 Blockhead256 meanwhile in a parallel universe to Minetest, instead of Mese there is Meseta 08:04 Blockhead256 http://wiki.phantasystaruniverse.net/Meseta 08:05 Blockhead256 came from the comments (sorted by new) under the mumbo jumbo vidoe 08:05 Blockhead256 which I'm sure would look very different if he made it now for 5.8 16:44 migdyn MJ had a chance to show Minetest for what it really is but instead he chose to only show MTG and now the ~1.5 mil people that saw his video think Minetest is just another Minecraft clone with ads. 17:17 MTDiscord A fair amount of that was our fault, because we decided to make MTG no longer "default" but dragged our feet on actually implementing it for years because we kept saying "we need to do an entire main menu redesign first." 18:21 muurkha Michael Jackson already died 18:23 ROllerozxa LOL, migdyn is talking about mumbo jumbo, the minecraft youtuber who made a video about minetest 18:24 muurkha heh 20:15 hephaestus hello. Yesterday I was talking about my difficulty in compiled the MT, I remembered of post in a forum, a script by Calinou, so I realized that script was improved and add at github of MT, it is perfect, so I get it https://github.com/minetest/minetest?tab=readme-ov-file#compiling 20:17 hephaestus and I get start two instances of MT as I want, but now I think in get free registre subdomain at minetest.land 20:18 hephaestus is there some way to do this by port of access 20:46 jonadab hephaestus: I suspect you may run into Warnock's Dilemma on that one. 20:53 MinetestBot 02[git] 04cx384 -> 03minetest/minetest: Rename `hud_elem_type` to `type` (#14065) 13467d3a8 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/467d3a8c62aa39a9eda7095935de1a56c96fb708 (152023-12-29T20:51:02Z) 20:53 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Desour -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix AsyncRunStep() skipping steps when dtime < 1 ms 13ad5e9aa https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ad5e9aa5e38bed7f3407321fa8eb3cb1d8afff73 (152023-12-29T20:51:19Z) 20:53 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Clean up OS-specific initialization 1393c2aff https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/93c2aff2cfb762a310b31d1b985ba5c19bc14152 (152023-12-29T20:52:08Z) 20:53 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Clean up gettext initialization 13b8dc349 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b8dc34909997f0245160776a21dbeb392c3d6296 (152023-12-29T20:52:08Z) 20:53 MinetestBot 02[git] (1 newer commits not shown) 20:54 hephaestus jonadab, I'm confused, am I being inappropriate? 20:55 MinetestBot 02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest: Perform server occlusion check before a block is loaded or generated … 1322a1653 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/22a16537022ec052c4c2824b5665cd27c36c133e (152023-12-29T20:53:27Z) 21:42 hephaestus I'm thinking about to use ipv6, someone knows if this oficial list: v6.servers.minetest.net 21:46 muurkha hephaestus: Warnock's Dilemma doesn't mean you're being inappropriate 21:48 hephaestus thank you muurkha my English interpretation is not so good, actually my English is not good :D 21:52 sfan5 v6.servers.minetest.net does not exist 21:55 hephaestus thank you sfan5 I found this in a search. But is it possible to use ipv6, I'm reading the conf.example 22:00 muurkha I used IPv6 last week when my wife was over at her brother's house 22:02 sfan5 hephaestus: you can set ipv6_server=true but consider these https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=408814#p408814 22:18 hephaestus thank you sfan5 it works now. I love so much MT it was more easy that I was thinking 22:19 MinetestBot 02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest: Do not emerge blocks in the active_object_send_range_blocks range (#1… 13c99196d https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/c99196d363d3337b7b7c6392cd6bfb8846a7ed2b (152023-12-29T22:18:06Z) 23:26 MTDiscord Warnock's Dilemma in the sense of "maybe your post was so good that nobody felt they had anything to add" is less of a problem here as "people are probably not answering your questions because they just don't KNOW the answer". 23:26 MTDiscord Try Cunningham's Law instead 😆 23:36 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Extend sanity checks in ActiveBlockList::update 13431444b https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/431444ba9f6a57b8105adcaeed9451fd77605fc5 (152023-12-29T23:31:03Z) 23:39 Desour I noticed sfan grew again :eyes: 23:51 hephaestus warr1024 😆 thank you I understand, sometimes I guess I'm boring the people