Time  Nick        Message
17:04 erle        celeron55 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColorForth
17:04 erle        > colorForth was originally developed as the scripting language for Moore's own VLSI CAD program OKAD,[2] with which he develops custom Forth processors. As the language gained utility, he rewrote his CAD program in it
17:04 erle        > he language comes with its own tiny (63K) operating system. Practically everything is stored as source code and compiled when needed
17:05 celeron55   anyway, basically everything in modern computing is just "new takes on C"
17:05 erle        > Coloring in colorForth has semantic meaning. Red words start a definition and green words are compiled into the current definition.
17:05 erle        celeron55, that is not entirely true
17:05 celeron55   lisp of course is surprisingly strong and different
17:06 celeron55   also similarly every OS is a "new take on unix"
17:06 celeron55   it goes hand in hand
17:07 erle        programming languages like forth, jq or postscript are entirely unlike C?
17:09 celeron55   not sure. you might find artefacts of the c standard library in them, or of how C data types work. but of course the smaller and more focused the project, the more C it can shed off if it wants to
17:10 erle        C is for example impure (pure languages exist) and compiled (interpreted languages exist)
17:11 celeron55   nothing prevents you from implementing interpreted C, and many languages are like that, syntactically and for parts of their standard library
17:11 erle        C is also not declarative, not interactive, not garbage collected, and not list-based.
17:11 erle        yeah, but declarative C is impossibruh?
17:11 celeron55   C is the role model. you have to try really hard to get rid of each and all of the characteristics
17:13 erle        i would say C is more like the incumbent
17:13 rubenwardy  some computers are designed for Java and JS, like Android phones. ARM includes extensions for making Java faster
17:14 erle        smart cards also run java programs i think?
17:14 sfan5       that java extension is legacy stuff btw
17:14 sfan5       not in any recent chips IIRC
17:16 celeron55   then when you get to interpreted languages, you end up doing just-in-time compiling... onto processors that were designed with C compilers in mind, and have to kind of convert your language into pieces that more resemble C than your language
17:16 erle        what is the goal here, to say that C is universal glue code?
17:16 celeron55   you have to design your language syntax to be easily typeable on keyboards on which C was designed, so it will kind of look the same if you make it ergonomic
17:16 celeron55   i have no goal
17:16 erle        sad APL noises
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