Time  Nick             Message
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08:11 imi              hi, what's the difference between minetest.after and core.after? which one is preferred and why?
08:24 rubenwardy       They're exactly the same, and minetest is preferred
08:24 rubenwardy       core is undocumented and used internally to make it easier to share engine code between minetest forks
15:48 Kionite          Hello!
15:49 Kionite          how can I craft cobblestone in skyblock? I playing this mod https://minetest.org/skyblock/
15:49 Kionite          I know I can smelt Dirt into Cobblestone but I don't have enough Dirt either.
15:49 Kionite          I'm so confused
15:50 rubenwardy       eek, that's a malicious domain
15:50 Kionite          what?
15:50 Kionite          It's official minetest website afaik
15:50 rubenwardy       https://www.minetest.net is the official website
15:51 rubenwardy       anyway, I don't know the answer to your question
15:51 muurkha          (because minetest is of course a network service provider)
15:51 rubenwardy       (yeah shame c55 didn't grab the .org or .com before others did)
15:52 Kionite          It provides source code on github(https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-skyblock/). So I hope it's not malicious
15:53 Kionite          Though last commit was 3 years ago
15:54 muurkha          it's at least a little questionable to call your fork of Minetest "Final Minetest"
15:55 muurkha          >  The Minetest project start­ed in 2010, became well-known in 2012, and peaked in 2015. It split into four main groups after that. Due to conflicting goals it's fading away today. However, there are still in­ter­est­ing MT worlds online and the pro­gram is genuinely fun to mod.
15:55 muurkha          > This site discusses the dif­fer­ent types of Minetest with a focus on Final Minetest, the most advanced branch. Source code for a new release of Final Minetest will be post­ed here as this site is redone.
15:55 muurkha          it deprecates the main project as follows:
15:56 muurkha          > 1) Trolltest aka minetest.net — This project breaks worlds, has poor back­wards compatibility, and is large­ly obso­lete.
15:57 muurkha          is there a more serious way in which the site is malicious, other than just being run by an asshole with a grudge against mainline Minetest?
15:57 rubenwardy       I don't know of any malware on that domain but the owner has talked about adding spyware. It's malicious because it's been used to send bulk spam, harassment, and post personal information
15:57 muurkha          aha, I see
15:58 muurkha          pretty gross
16:06 Blockhead256[m]  "Minetest is dying" - Man with grudge against Minetest, who is responsible for creating an even deader Minetest fork
16:22 rubenwardy       take a look at the privacy policy for proof
16:23 muurkha          it doesn't actually say he's going to send bulk spam and harassment and post personal information
16:25 muurkha          it says pretty much the same thing most website privacy policies say, but with a lot less words
16:32 Blockhead256[m]  not really, it means OldCoder can keep the logs and do a lot of things with them in perpetuity, including telling anyone he wants to about the contents. That isn't a privacy policy that respects the visitor, it's one written by a paranoid individual who wants to root out any dissent and claim as much as possible to have some kind of flimsy legal ground for not removing your content like deleted forum posts off his forum mirror or
16:32 Blockhead256[m]  deleted mods off his gitea.
16:33 rubenwardy       exactly
16:33 Blockhead256[m]  it could only be considered a normal but more brief policy for something where you are the product like Facebook or Discord. Not for a trustworthy community project.
16:42 muurkha          didn't we go through this from the other side with kilbith the other month?  not removing open-source mods the author wants to delete is explicitly allowed by the irrevocable nature of open-source licenses
16:43 muurkha          he does sound a bit paranoid, but the things he's promising to actually do are just the things that normal people normally do, like keeping copies of email you send them even if you wish you hadn't sent it
16:44 muurkha          or block your IP if you're DoSing his site
16:45 rubenwardy       mods don't tend to be personal information
16:45 muurkha          hopefully he doesn't have anybody's personal information
16:45 rubenwardy       in the past he's usedvisits to his website to try and deanonimise people
16:45 muurkha          what a jerk
16:45 rubenwardy       postly that publicly