Time Nick Message 09:10 MTDiscord What's this error and how do I fix it? 2023-04-25 09:06:56: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: /home/mt/5.6.1/Minetest_live/src/network/connection.cpp:413: bool con::UDPPeer::processReliableSendCommand(con::ConnectionCommandPtr&, unsigned int): An engine assumption 'c.data.getSize() < 0x8000*512' failed. 09:10 MTDiscord Is this related? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11214 09:48 MTDiscord did it Crash? 09:50 MTDiscord yes. As soon as a client connects, it crashes with this error 09:51 MTDiscord I'm now disabling mods one by one to see what causes it. I have a new modcomposition where the error happens (v1.1.118) and an old one where it doesn't (1.1.117.1) 10:56 MTDiscord What's the maximum in byte a media file may have? 11:11 sfan5 the engine probably breaks at >2GB 11:12 sfan5 or well actually maybe something like 16MB if remote_media isn't used 11:45 MTDiscord Seems like a 33 MB png broke it. Problem solved. 14:27 Peter_Lankton so i hate to do this in public chat but the guy who runs the thing has no contact info. so may i ask why my server is now banned from the list? is there any reason other than "eww its icky gross?" 14:27 Peter_Lankton and is anyone gonna make some fucking guidelines or not? 14:28 Peter_Lankton also ban the canvas server because that has NSFW thing on it right now 14:30 Peter_Lankton heck even just make the guidelines somtthing stupid like "whatever i dont like. and keep im mind i kinkshame and hate furries" 14:31 Peter_Lankton sfan5 u there? care to explain 14:36 MTDiscord nsfw tag for server list when. with client side opt in 14:36 Peter_Lankton agreed. when are we getting that? is my ban a temporary solution or not? 14:39 Peter_Lankton but dont worry. i had no plans on bringing pervs over to minetest. i was gonna use my own static server list and distribute minetest with the settings altered. and also warn my followers not to get involved with minetest community because its toxic AF 14:46 MTDiscord dude 14:46 MTDiscord you fucking put the nsfw thing 14:48 MTDiscord i enjoyed the server tbh but i think it's justified to temporarily remove it from the list, until there is a better solution 14:48 MTDiscord idk whether there is WIP for the nsfw tag. might try doing it myself otherwise 14:49 MTDiscord maybe like a general tagging system where you can blacklist tags, or search for servers that have certain tags 14:49 Peter_Lankton kimapr yeh i know lol. revenge is sweet 14:50 MTDiscord whar 14:50 MTDiscord that's childish 14:50 Peter_Lankton i agree. DOSing a server because u have a problem with them is pretty childish 14:51 MTDiscord i thought you were botting it 14:51 MTDiscord for server rankd 14:51 MTDiscord 🍿 14:51 Peter_Lankton so u ranked it higher for me? 14:51 MTDiscord 🤔 14:52 MTDiscord i love putting hydra out there and watching the world burn 14:52 MTDiscord no, i blocked the 3 remaining slots from festus 14:52 Peter_Lankton Fleckenstein heh. thx. that is what i used to make my draw bot. 14:52 MTDiscord cool 14:53 MTDiscord i should relicense hydra under AGPL 14:53 Peter_Lankton i might get in trouble for saying this, but i really think that there should be more awareness to cheat clients instead of doing what the minetest people do and try to sweep it under the rug by banning discussion of them on the forum. 14:54 MTDiscord ^ 14:54 MTDiscord so true 14:54 Peter_Lankton i agree lol. i will probably release my draw bot on my git server at some point soon. maybe make it do more like auto build 14:54 MTDiscord to be fair tho, this rule has existed since forever 14:55 MTDiscord long before i created draonfireclient 14:55 MTDiscord or any hack client was publicly accessible/available tbh 14:55 MTDiscord i tried to get my hands on one pretty badly 14:55 rubenwardy I have tried to get that rule removed but I'm outvoted unfortunately 14:56 Peter_Lankton darn that sucks. i wish people realized that its good to discuss them 14:57 MTDiscord ✨ security by obscurity ✨ 14:58 Peter_Lankton i wanted to use the dragonfire client myself and play with it but for some reason i could not build it on my linux mint system. i was able to build minetest though. well more specifically, the multicraft fork. 15:01 Peter_Lankton so im curious. if my server is not in the list, will the people who have it favorited still see it? 15:02 MTDiscord yes, that's stored locally. but I think only the domain name will show up 15:02 MTDiscord use the correct irrlicht version 15:03 MTDiscord i think its in the readme now 15:03 MTDiscord minetest devs tought it's a great idea to not include irrlicht as a submodule, and they still haven't fixed their mistake yet 15:07 Peter_Lankton so which version of irrlicht should i use? 15:07 MTDiscord its in the readme 15:07 MTDiscord git clone --branch 1.9.0mt7 --depth 1 https://github.com/minetest/irrlicht.git lib/irrlichtmt 15:08 Peter_Lankton oh i see it now. thx 15:12 Kimapr Peter_Lankton: 174.207.33.233 this u? 15:13 Peter_Lankton maybeeee 15:14 MTDiscord peter lankton doxx real 15:14 Peter_Lankton wait doesnt irc make the ip public anyway lol. so u can find out urself. i assume u saw that ip join ur server lol. 15:14 MTDiscord your hostname on IRC is IPv6, but it's the same ISP at the very least 15:16 Peter_Lankton oh i see. that reminds me, ive been wanting to get my server to use ipv6 as well. i enabled it in the settings. but it seems like the connection is one way. i have register_on_prejoin set to log the ip of the prejoin and i see my ipv6 ip there. but on my client it times out and i cant connect. 15:16 mrkubax10 IP is public unless you use cloak 15:17 ROllerozxa peeking at uncloaked users' hostnames is very interesting. some people (like me) even have a custom rDNS as their hostname :)) 15:18 Peter_Lankton ROllerozxa heh true. i guess if i connected with the ip of my VPS, i could have a custom rDNS too. 15:20 Kimapr "wait doesnt irc make the ip..." <- im actually talking through the matrix bridge so i don't see your ip here 15:20 ROllerozxa yep, that's usually how I assume most people do it. putting a bouncer on a VPS with an IP they can change the rDNS record of 15:29 potatoxel[m] for me, i like the development of cheat clients, for one, i enjoy anarchy servers sometimes 15:29 potatoxel[m] :o 15:34 Peter_Lankton i like it because i hope it encourages people to make anti cheat mods. so far there are no good anti cheat mods AFAIK. 15:37 Peter_Lankton maybe the person running the server list didnt like being rickrolled lol 15:40 Peter_Lankton i dont know if i should link it since ItS oN aN nSfW sItE but i made this rickroll modpack. ya know what, kinds dont know what base64 is. so here aHR0cHM6Ly9ib3dlbHMtb2YtdGhlLm1hY3JvZm94Lm9yZy9naXQvbXQtc2VydmVyLW1vZHMvcmlja3JvbGwtbW9kcGFjawo= 15:40 Peter_Lankton kids* 15:45 potatoxel[m] why nsfw site for a rickroll modpack 15:45 potatoxel[m] it ok im a tomato 15:46 Peter_Lankton because its my custom git server which is on the same site as my personal site with my NSFW projects. 15:46 potatoxel[m] ah i thought u meant something else 15:46 potatoxel[m] lol 15:47 potatoxel[m] i usually play games with friends 15:47 potatoxel[m] rarely on public servers anyway 15:47 sfan5 Peter_Lankton: the decision was that we should have adult_only tagging for servers but until that happens nsfw-focused servers 15:48 potatoxel[m] u ended at an incomplete sentence 15:48 sfan5 have to disappear. 15:48 potatoxel[m] continue 15:48 Peter_Lankton as such, i am not allowed to use that git server on contentdb. which is why i asked for my account to be deleted on that site as i dont wanna use github for VCS. and i would like to thank both the contentdb admin and forum admin for deleting my accounts when i requested it. 15:48 potatoxel[m] o; 15:48 sfan5 regarding "the guy who runs the thing has no contact info": what? my email is listed in the Minetest credits and you can also easily PM me on here 15:49 Pexin I'm still trying to gather what "toxic community" means, unless Peter_Lankton has been talking too much with kilbith 15:49 Kimapr > as such, i am not allowed to use that git server on contentdb. 15:49 Kimapr i don't remember anyone saying that 15:49 Peter_Lankton sfan5 ah ok. well thanks for explaining it then. oh i forgot to check the credits. i just know they werent on your forum or github account. 15:50 Peter_Lankton https://bowels-of-the.macrofox.org/mirror/other/archive_of_stupid_bullshit/2023-04-20_15%3A20%3A01/forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php%3Ff=54&t=29396.html 15:51 Peter_Lankton that link is for Kimapr 15:51 Kimapr Hmm 15:51 Kimapr kids are probably unlikely to click those source links anyway 15:52 Kimapr well, except tim7 i guess 15:52 MTDiscord IP grabber? 15:52 Peter_Lankton agreed. tho i guess ruben disagrees. and thats fine. its his site. i will continue to share my mods on my site when i get around to open sourcing them 15:52 Kimapr actually nvm, kids are going to click literally everything 15:53 MTDiscord The serverlist is not like an institution with rules and governance. It's a privately run service offered as a courtesy to members of the public who are able to reciprocate. People are just going to have to do what they feel is reasonable, and try to respect and balance the wishes of other reasonable people. You can't expect some kind of policy to be set down and then mechanically followed, especially when not all possible situations 15:53 MTDiscord have been anticipated. 15:53 Peter_Lankton Flamore yeah. ur ip will be logged if u click that. standard nginx logging. 15:54 sfan5 there should be a policy however 15:55 MTDiscord A written policy would be nice to have. For now, the policy is basically if you're not sure, ask. And if your pretty sure the answer is going to be "no", then you can probably skip asking... 15:56 Peter_Lankton Warr1024 i totally understand. i do generally believe in making new rules as needed. for example if i make a server, the rules start with the usual like "dont be racist/___phobic" but if someone is doing something else i dont like, i ask them to stop, maybe ban them then add that to the rules. 15:56 rubenwardy ContentDB's package policy is 1,326 words 💀 15:57 Peter_Lankton i did read it. i guess if it said no NSFW links then i missed that. but i understood already that no sexual mods are allowed. therefore, i was never planning on trying to post my vore mod to it for example. 15:58 MTDiscord I think a part of the problem here is that having to come up with, get endorsements for, ratify, and enforce any written policy any more extensive than "don't do things that would make sfan5 have to think about or do anything with the server list" is probably more than sfan5 was willing to deal with when they volunteered to run the server list. 15:58 rubenwardy it's a weird edge tbh that I hadn't considered. The git links aren't as much of a problem as the profile link. Something maybe to be discussed 15:59 MTDiscord Re: links on CDB ... in theory, I don't think we want to be as concerned about links to content as content hosted directly on the site, but unfortunately there are legal precedents that establish liability simply for linking to content even if you're not hosting it yourself, so to some extent we cannot treat them that differently. 16:00 MTDiscord Also, legal precedents aside, the people WE all buy hosting from can be just as vague in their own policies, and we don't want to risk all of our projects for a couple of links posted on one of them. 16:03 Peter_Lankton rubenwardy yeah perhaps. i agree the git links arent as much of a problem. maybe a git on a nsfw site would have to be private. as in, contentDB checks it for changes, but its not linked on the mod page. 16:04 Kimapr can your server handle another git host instance? could get a new domain name that doesn't relate to your other stuff and put the gits there 16:05 Peter_Lankton Warr1024 i would hope if the hosting company does have a problem with it, they notify you first so u can fix it before terminating you. but i dont really know what thats like. i gues festus contacted my hosting company cause he was mad about my server existing. but i never heard back from the company lol. 16:05 MTDiscord The Discord/IRC relay bot has a nice feature where it generates a distinct avatar for each user by name, to try to make them easier to differentiate in the way Discord users are used to doing so. But in some cases, it can actually serve to only increase confusion... 16:05 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1100452563775664268/Screenshot_2023-04-25_at_12.03.44.png 16:08 Peter_Lankton huh thats neat. i actually really like how gitea makes avatars too. it just so happened to make mine look really cool. looks like a bearded wise old man or something https://bowels-of-the.macrofox.org/git/avatars/b50053d3b2f93f2f718535d269b688a0?size=84 16:11 Peter_Lankton Kimapr im sure i could host another one. or just move this one to a new domain. tho if i did the latter, it would not fix the problem as some of the git repos would be nsfw too. i would like to buy a domain at some point. right now i use a free one from freedns.afraid.org which is like a DDNS provider 16:14 MTDiscord > Warr1024 i would hope if the hosting company does have a problem with it, they notify you first so u can fix it before terminating you 16:14 MTDiscord this depends on multiple factors, like the company policy and the actual law.. 16:14 MTDiscord in some country the host might legally be required to immediately suspend your account first while investigation is ongoing 16:14 MTDiscord or worse, in some country it might be required to just be terminated without investigation needed 16:14 MTDiscord always know about the law of where your host is, and the policy of the hosting company 16:15 Peter_Lankton i feel like at that point you'd have to find a better company/country. anyway i gotta go see ya. 16:15 MTDiscord "I would hope ... the notify you before terminating you" ... reminds me about the current Minetest Google Play listing kerfuffle 😒 16:15 rubenwardy yeah, the app should have been reinstated by now... 16:15 MTDiscord Heh, "find a better country" ... I think there are about 8 billion people who would do that if they genuinely could... 16:16 muurkha Peter_Lankton: you can get a hostname cloak on libera fwiw 16:16 rubenwardy imagine if we were a SME, losing more than a month of income would be quite bad 16:17 MTDiscord Hostname cloaks are nice. You can get a free non-project-affiliated one just by joining a certain channel; a bot will apply it. Make sure you're using SASL or CertFP or something for auth, not just /msg nickserv, so the cloak doesn't "leak" when you first join. 16:17 MTDiscord DMCA was a mistake .. I mean like the process, not the intent 16:17 muurkha Pexin: maybe Festus? Festus does seem pretty toxic 16:18 muurkha kilbith seems to be gone, thank God. erlehmann drove him away 16:18 muurkha thank you erlehmann, wherever you are 16:19 Kimapr MTDiscord: it's copyright so intent too 16:20 Kimapr (irc/matrix bridge makes replies to the discord bridge look weird...) 16:21 MTDiscord The intent wasn't entirely bad either; copyright was already a thing at the time DMCA was created, and DMCA also carved out some "safe harbor" exceptions, whereas without it, intermediary liability could still be a constant threat. 16:21 muurkha maybe 16:21 muurkha intermediary liability was totally undecided 16:22 muurkha without the DMCA the courts would have decided it 16:22 MTDiscord Heh, "undecided" is how certain people like to keep things. A subtle chilling effect over the long term can add up to be very useful. 16:22 muurkha plausibly they might have decided on a much broader protection for intermediaries 16:23 muurkha after all, there was never an equivalent of DMCA takedowns for telephone or postal service in the US 16:23 MTDiscord It's possible but doesn't seem too likely. Also, the fact that it was 1998, and even those of us who were alive back then probably don't accurately remember what the legal landscape was actually like ... doesn't help the discussion, of course. 16:24 MTDiscord IIRC the precedent for takedowns would have been radio or some other broadcast medium. 16:24 muurkha I was going to "internet law" conferences and symposia at the time 16:25 muurkha when the Supreme Court struck down the CDA in 01997 they said the internet merited the broadest possible protections for apeech 16:26 MTDiscord Back in the 90's, if you had asked people "what does the internet sound like" then probably the majority would have tried to describe or imitate dialup modem handshaking noises 😄 16:26 muurkha using analogies of newspapers and libraries, not radio 16:26 muurkha can you imagine an unproven copyright accusation getting your phone service cut off? 16:26 MTDiscord Could I in the 90's? No. Today? Yeah, sure. 16:27 muurkha not only were phone companies not required to do such a thing, they were prohibited from doing so, at least in the countries I am familiar with 16:27 muurkha And there *were* warez BBSes 16:28 MTDiscord "phone" meant something entirely different back then. You used to get your internet via phone rather than the other way around. 16:28 muurkha the majority of people would have asked you what an 'internet' was 16:29 muurkha my first internet connection in 01992 was via frame relay 16:29 MTDiscord Well, if you want to get that technical, the majority of people may very well have just shaken their heads and told you they didn't speak English well enough to understand the question. 16:29 muurkha which I think was a lot more typical at the time than dialup 16:30 muurkha yes, I assumed you'd translate the question :) 16:30 muurkha *for speech 16:30 MTDiscord Translate? How? I don't think google translate existed back then 😆 16:30 muurkha heh 16:30 MTDiscord btw 01992 isn't even a number 😏 ... I think you mean 03710. 16:30 MTDiscord or alternately 0x7C8 16:31 muurkha so it's plausible that without the DMCA we would have gotten a more liberal internet instead of a more fascist one. but it's really hard to say 16:32 MTDiscord Really hard to say. Even knowing that the courts leaned one way relative to the legislature back then, who knows how well a regime built back then would have held up to the changing pressures over time? 16:32 MTDiscord As it is right now, there is constant pressure to get rid of the existing laws, but only the good parts, and keep, and possibly even enhance, the bad parts. 16:33 muurkha Yes, that's the nature of politics :) 16:33 muurkha Right now the world has shifted pretty far to the authoritarian side compared to 01997 16:34 Pexin Money Talks. the dmca could never not happen. 16:34 Pexin (sadly) 16:35 MTDiscord Money talks but people still have to decide whether or not to listen. While there's a certain truth to the inevitability of the consequences of human nature, we can't absolve people of all personal responsibility when they had at least some opportunity to make an informed decision. 16:35 appguru Pexin: Well, what if the money was distributed among a wide middle class rather than a sparse upper class? 16:35 Pexin appguru: cool get on that 16:35 muurkha That's too cynical; we beat SOPA/PIPA, CALEA exempted internet service, Tor is still legal in much of the world, etc. 16:36 MTDiscord Alas, we are always doomed to dislike the status quo but not even know how we should feel about the likely unknowable counterfactual. 16:36 muurkha We even struck down export controls. 16:36 Pexin sopa was never meant to pass. I remember that, it was a clear political ploy. 16:37 muurkha That's not how I remember it, but I do tend to be overly pessimistic. 16:37 MTDiscord We beat SOPA/PIPA for a while, but it took way more than it should have, and it's got other family members, like FOSTA and EARNIT that are still wreaking havoc. 16:37 appguru anyways the real reason I joined was to make a joke that 01997 isn't a valid octal literal ^.^ 16:37 muurkha EARN IT hasn't passed yet 16:37 muurkha appguru: it is in K&R! 16:38 MTDiscord appguru: before or after I made that joke? 🤔 16:38 appguru mhm after 16:38 appguru muurkha: an octal literal with a 9? 16:38 muurkha yup 16:39 appguru I guess we gotta say bye to the uniqueness of the octal representation then :P 16:39 muurkha WRT the DMCA, there was a lot more money in telecommunications and distributed among internet users (even in 01997) than in the narrow interest groups that lobbied for the DMCA. But they were better organized 16:40 muurkha appguru: if you want uniqueness you want https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijective_numeration 16:40 muurkha standard octal, even ANSI C octal, already isn't unique because 07 == 007 16:41 appguru eeh allowing leading zeroes meh 16:42 Pexin something someting GPL license to kill 16:42 potatoxel[m] wa 16:42 muurkha here in Argentina there's an insult based on this 16:43 potatoxel[m] the general potato license c; 16:43 muurkha to say that someone is useless we say they are a "cero a la izquierda", a zero on the left 16:52 MTDiscord general potato license, lol 16:53 potatoxel[m] ofc thats why i use it right? :o 19:01 Peter_Lankton ok i am back. i would like to address Pexin about the whole "toxic community" thing. i admit i probably was overreacting a bit. the main examples i have now is pretty much the 2 that muurkha said. festus and kilbith. with the latter, i saw some of his posts on the irc and github issues. and only interacted when he replied to my issue i put on i3 when it had the ear piercing click sound. The only other person i had a 19:01 Peter_Lankton problem with has finally admitted their mistake on github. so i forgot to mention Kimapr. dont really like what he did that much. 2 separate times he was fucking with my server. i think his excuse for the second time is faulty because if it was me making the fake users, then i would have been online to ban his bots much quicker thus preventing him from filling my player slots. 19:06 MTDiscord This community has had a number of people enter it and bring toxicity. That kind of thing can't really be prevented, considering that it's open to the public and overall we try to err on the side of being welcoming and accepting. Once people do bring in toxicity, we try to resolve things, and in some cases that means certain people need to leave ... but damage to some extent will already have been done by that point, and that's just a 19:06 MTDiscord price we pay by not excluding people preemptively. 19:08 Peter_Lankton so i guess that would make 3 people. not a lot really. however something i have learned way back when i was a kid is that no matter who you are, negative experiences always stand out more than the positive ones and people tend to overly fixate on the negative. 19:09 MTDiscord Kimapr is usually pretty level-headed, but he can also be a bit reckless, and it sounded to me like he may have acted originally based on an assumption that you were trying to manipulate the server rankings or attack project members, before Festus' involvement was known and debunked that theory. 19:11 MTDiscord Granted, I don't know a lot about some people and am just assuming that if they're calm and rational in certain areas of life, they also don't have extreme and disproportionate negative reactions to certain things like furry vore. I just have no data in most cases, so I guess I could be surprised. 19:11 Peter_Lankton yeah i understand that it cant be prevented. i prefer it not be since the alternative is those overly controlling discord servers where each new member has to talk to a moderator to get approved and take a test to prove they read the rules. at least the other extreme. but i think some kind of balance is ideal. like maybe hand out warnings a bit sooner before it gets too out of hand. i know its easier said than done 19:11 Peter_Lankton though. 19:13 MTDiscord Heh, personally, I kind of like the "must take a quiz to read the rules" sorts of things, though (1) the quizzes don't have to be even remotely hard to block people who have no intention of even trying to get along, and (2) in a way the fact that places with much lower bars to entry exist is sort of helpful in giving stricter places license to exist as alternatives. 19:13 Peter_Lankton yeah i dont know how he feels about furry vore. i just find his logic highly flawed. 19:13 MTDiscord I don't do that kind of thing (at least currently) on any chat spaces I moderate, but I do use it on minetest servers, and it really reduces griefing burden. 19:14 MTDiscord It also helps to remember that people can be much younger or older than you expect, and can have significant cultural divides with you even if their language abilities give you none of the hints you're usually accustomed to. 19:15 Peter_Lankton oh yeah, a simple quiz is fine. i guess when i said that though, i had someone else's vore minecraft server in mind. they have this obnoxious system where you have to read the huge walls of signs to learn the ins and outs of every little feature even if u dont wanna use them then take a long test and get a A+ on it. 19:15 MTDiscord Haha, holy shit, that's a bit overboard. 19:15 MTDiscord You get significant diminishing returns for that level of quiz. 19:17 MTDiscord In my experience, just having a "magic phrase" you have to type into chat and is explicitly stated in the instructions/rules somewhere already blocks like 95%+ of "junk" users of various types. If you make the entire rules/instructions just be the chat command, you'll still probably block about 70%. 19:20 Peter_Lankton i saw thats what did with his canvas server. if the menu is not multilingual it probably also helps to filter out non english users i reckon 19:24 Peter_Lankton i guess when it comes to toxic users, since i am into furry stuff, i just know that stuff is more attractive to trolls. so i end up being a bit more strict. however they are usually easy to ban. they tend to join with a name that tries to make me look bad like "child" then ask some dumb question. 19:26 MTDiscord I feel kinda bad about filtering out non-English users from a server, but on some level, it's necessary in order to be able to offer the level of chat moderation that users already expect/demand. If I don't understand what people are saying then I can't even tell if harassment is happening. 19:27 Peter_Lankton if they are not underage, i like to fuck with some of the trolls using my jail mod. i recently added ip jailing. i used it to lock Kimapr inside the rectum of a giant fox. since there was no jail mod on contentDB, i had thought about putting it there, obviously the rectum jail is not part of the mod. most likely wont be putting it there anyway now. 19:30 Peter_Lankton yeah me too. i feel bad about the idea of banning or kicking someone who doesnt speak english. so i just dont. tho i would not feel as bad using a filter in the form of english stuff they have to read. and ya never know what they are saying. cant copy paste from minetest and if they use weird characters like Russian does, then they dont show up in the console either. so its hard to copy the text to a translator. 19:32 MTDiscord Heh, my stance on non-English is "it's against the rules but I avoid enforcing it as much as possible." 19:32 Peter_Lankton thats reasonable IMO. 19:33 MTDiscord The rule is sort of less "I don't want non-English spoken here" as it is "you do so at your own risk from the outset" 19:36 Peter_Lankton in my case, i had tried to put the word english in the serverlist description. but that didnt seem to work lol. i guess i would hope that even non english speakers would know the english word for "english" but maybe they didnt. or maybe they didnt care. 19:50 strike[m] greedings 19:50 strike[m] everyone 19:50 Peter_Lankton hiiiiiiii 19:50 potatoxel[m] greedings :o 19:51 potatoxel[m] i am tomato wbu 19:51 potatoxel[m] c: 19:51 Peter_Lankton i am a fox uwu 19:55 ROllerozxa owo 19:57 MTDiscord awa 19:57 potatoxel[m] wat 19:57 potatoxel[m] i am a hot red tomato 19:58 Peter_Lankton then get in mah belly lolololol 19:58 MTDiscord "hot" red tomato 19:58 MTDiscord :v 19:58 potatoxel[m] wat 19:59 MTDiscord ... 19:59 potatoxel[m] it is hot in my room tho 19:59 potatoxel[m] ;o 20:00 MTDiscord Okay, i have cold apple in my room O_o 20:03 muurkha haha, vore on main 20:04 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Split compilation instructions from README.md (#13457) 139c90358 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/9c90358912a26076f4c217e97d8cea7e9196d6a7 (152023-04-25T20:02:02Z) 20:04 muurkha solenaceae vore tho so it's not nsfw! 20:05 Peter_Lankton nah, its not vore if you are a food item. 20:05 potatoxel[m] food item? 20:05 potatoxel[m] wait you eat tomatoes? 20:05 potatoxel[m] D: 20:05 potatoxel[m] hides 20:06 Peter_Lankton u'd have to hide from just about everyone lol 20:09 MTDiscord It's not vore that's weird, it's eating and digestion itself. You put other living things in your body, then things that live inside you all the time break them down and feed the pieces to you, they float around your bloodstream, and then you use them to build more of yourself, and replace the damaged parts of you. 20:11 potatoxel[m] dont eat me, im gpl licensed, youll be a derivative work of me 20:11 potatoxel[m] c; 20:13 * muurkha is a derivative work of a cow 20:13 potatoxel[m] you are what you eat 20:13 potatoxel[m] :o canibal 20:14 MTDiscord https://xkcd.com/1123/ 20:14 potatoxel[m] :o 20:19 Peter_Lankton UwU yeah the digestion is part of vore. i am into it but i also like more wholesome vore. like if you had a giant friend who keeps you safe inside him and doesnt digest you. 20:21 Peter_Lankton i guess if the eating is wierd, well there are other ways to consume another. however i'd argue they are even weirder lol. 20:23 MTDiscord I guess I was just kind of musing that, next to how weird it is just to be a living thing to begin with, the net marginal weirdness of vore on top of that is pretty negligible 😆 20:24 Peter_Lankton well being inside another living being is pretty much what vore is. so yeah its pretty weird lol. 20:25 Peter_Lankton eating them is the least weird version of it though. the others i should probably not talk about. 20:28 MTDiscord An animal body is basically a giant meat mecha that's piloted to some extent by the colony of microorganisms that lives within it (they actually affect your behavior based on the chemicals they make available to you), and when that vehicle finally breaks down for good and life support systems fail, their final act to survive will be to break down and consume their meat robot from the insie. 20:32 Peter_Lankton i guess thats one way to think about it. in my case, the microorganisms must really like the idea of inviting other non-microorganisms inside the meat robot 20:38 Peter_Lankton and they wish they were piloting a fox instead lol. 20:43 Peter_Lankton well i am gonna get off of here now and go work on a vore game or something. 20:56 muurkha The "giant friend who keeps you safe" sounds pretty sweet. Daww. 20:57 muurkha But also I think being inside another living being is pretty common in real-life sex, not just vore fantasies. 21:24 definitelya Night fellow meat-bots.