Time Nick Message 01:22 MisterE[m] I find them under rocks and in basements 01:22 MisterE[m] But they disappear in the grass immediately 08:13 Buddy gm 13:04 independent56 Since they have failed to provide a response, do you have any idea which trolls they are referring to? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=423495#p423495 13:06 independent56 Oh and also, does my post achieve its self-stated goals? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=29376 13:21 MTDiscord minetest forums doesn't seem to be very well moderated 13:21 MTDiscord they also have a rule that bans the discussion of cheat clients, lol (i've never seen that being enforced tho) 13:23 MTDiscord well, as of somewhat recently I'm a moderator 13:23 MTDiscord but so far all I did was handle the massive backlog of mod topic move requests and ban some spambots which were reported 13:24 MTDiscord oh, and one unmarked ChatGPT-generated post with a hallucinated API 13:24 independent56 hmm 13:24 independent56 Sorry aboyut that one 13:24 MTDiscord feel free to report posts, I'll take a look 13:24 independent56 I feel that a lazy question should have a lazy answer sometimes 13:25 independent56 When really the laziest and most passive-agressive answer is none, something i just learnt from the advtrains topic 13:25 MTDiscord yes, but misleading answers from chatgpt should be marked (that's what I did, I edited the post) 13:25 independent56 Thanks 13:25 independent56 And i edited it again 13:25 independent56 Good luck finding it using search /s 13:26 MTDiscord as long as it's not misleading anyone anymore ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 13:27 independent56 The only measleading now is the hope for a forum post with any usable content. IIRC, it just says "deleted" 13:27 independent56 Or a variant 13:29 independent56 Anyways, i still want to know who is the troll in https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=423495#p423495 13:30 independent56 I haven't got any answer and i'm beggining to think the troll is the community as a whole failing to respond just to confuse me 13:30 independent56 /hj 13:50 rubenwardy !tell independent56 they're referring to you 13:50 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when independent56 is around 13:50 rubenwardy Fleckenstein: I'd like to remove that cheat client rule but I'm outvoted unfortunately 13:55 MTDiscord who can vote on this? 13:56 rubenwardy the proposal was here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27753 13:56 rubenwardy discussion happened on the internal irc channel 13:57 rubenwardy (note the other changes in that proposal were accepted, only thing left out was the hacking/cheat bit) 13:59 Guest54 given that “cheat clients” have a bunch of way more useful purposes in games (like automating bug finding and bots) i still think that's a bit weird 14:06 Guest54 and yes i have done both hehe 14:08 Guest54 also i have been on several servers that only have a rail system to the world border due to a goddess with an autominer and a heart of gold 14:11 Guest54 kamikaze is the funniest cheat csm https://repo.or.cz/waspsaliva.git/blob/HEAD:/clientmods/kamikaze/init.lua 14:12 Guest54 the client just enters the server and punches everything to death, respawns and does it again 14:12 Guest54 (and by everything i mean it punches withers and TNT left by griefers) 14:15 Fleckenstein > minetest.settings:set_bool("kamikaze",false) 14:15 Fleckenstein reeee they still haven't changed it 14:15 Fleckenstein i think i told them like 2 years ago that you don't just set settings to provide defaults 16:06 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Update dependency libraries in buildbot 13fe75ec8 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/fe75ec8d0dd877850b1040dc2d9c0db12e2e1fa1 (152023-04-13T16:05:39Z) 16:06 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zardshard -> 03minetest/minetest: Simulate all keys being released when when game loses focus (#13336) 13e139749 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/e139749b5c7a43c4a5c5753ab590fb34a9588f50 (152023-04-13T16:06:21Z) 16:53 Guest54 hmm, does this now mean players will now die when they are in a space where they have to crouch to avoid obstacles, because it makes them stand up? 17:09 rubenwardy I, too, die when I stand up 17:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Desour -> 03minetest/minetest: Devtest: Add bigfoot for footstep sounds 137283d24 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7283d2495f561375e3094390ba1117558ffb49c1 (152023-04-13T17:12:13Z) 17:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Desour -> 03minetest/minetest: Play object footstep sound at feet 13fc116ec https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/fc116ec95014bcfd855bf4917d6f01ef369f0b2c (152023-04-13T17:12:13Z) 17:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Clarify documentation of punch key (#13238) 13d1e5dbe https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d1e5dbefc70883e01742958f88470203dbb405d1 (152023-04-13T17:12:26Z) 17:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04grorp -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix black loading screen background if `menu_clouds = false` (#13322) 132a1bc82 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/2a1bc82887a214b658240f8656dbe97e2e6be0cb (152023-04-13T17:12:48Z) 17:22 potatoxel[m] "I, too, die when I stand up" <- how often 17:22 potatoxel[m] ;o 17:51 MinetestBot independent56: Apr-13 13:50 UTC they're referring to you 17:51 independent56 Intresting 17:51 independent56 rubenwardy, do you have any explanation for why they think that? I need to know it to improve. 19:02 independent56 To requote, rubenwardy, do you have any explanation for why they think that? I need to know it to improve. 19:02 independent56 I will be reviewing the IRC logs 19:46 Guest54 ha, finally i got to the bottom of the iceberg https://i.redd.it/kq7vtavd0ir91.png 20:00 MTDiscord damn I'm at the bottom 20:02 MTDiscord I've seen a lot of those "iceberg meme" images for minetest and none of them has more than like 50% overlap with any other. Clearly the "bottom of the iceberg" in any one of them is at best about half-way down the actual iceberg. 20:07 Guest54 here is an actual quote from the “bottom“ of the iceberg: “uwu, this mod, it's so big is it for me?” 20:07 Guest54 ^^ 20:19 independent56 I can't see anything related to you on the bottom 20:19 independent56 You're not obscure enough yet 20:21 MTDiscord The bottom of the minetest iceberg is where you find out that there are more icebergs. 20:21 independent56 Tell me some of these spicy "petz" controversies. Hopefully they're not as boring as the usage of the "z" (incorrectly) offending other users 20:21 independent56 Intresting 20:21 independent56 My mods probably go off to the side in the "irrelevant and not intresting" 20:21 MTDiscord I'm pretty sure there was only one controversy in Petz that's worth mentioning, and it's probably obvious if you go read the CDB reviews and comments for it. 20:21 independent56 Dall-e2 confirms that "Brfie Signnne" 20:22 independent56 I'll read the CDB 20:23 MTDiscord "Not interesting" can actually be a good place to be: you have a niche audience and serve it well, instead of spreading yourself thin trying to chase after mainstream appeal. Being largely non-commercial, having a large paying audience doesn't necessarily have to be a goal of a project, so you can enjoy some more creative freedom. 20:23 Guest54 >    description = S("Glass Syringe with seed"), 20:23 Guest54 oh lol 20:24 Guest54 > I also thought the "killer santa" was really weird 20:24 independent56 hmm, the petz controversy seems like more validification for what opinion my mind has already been set to by the dev's reactions to what i felt were reasonable actions 20:24 independent56 VOMIT 20:24 independent56 wow, artifical feritilisation? Has no place in a kid's game 20:25 independent56 They're supposed to be given limited information about such stuff until their teenage years! /hj 20:25 Guest54 the genderless “feed the mobs a food and then they love each other very much, also every mob lays eggs” is better hehe 20:25 independent56 Yes 20:25 independent56 That would also be convinient to explain why romantic partners go to restaurants so often to show their love 20:26 independent56 I personally prefer the "birth occured so quickly there is suddenly a baby right next to the animal" approach 20:32 MTDiscord What's going to be considered appropriate for a kid's game probably varies a lot culturally, and it's really arguably whether MT should be considered a "kid's game" or what "kid" means in this context. Given how commonly people object to the syringe thing, at least a warning might have been nice. 20:32 MTDiscord Runs could really be forgiven for possibly not realizing that a warning might be warranted, but a better response would have been adding the warning instead of flaming the critics. 20:40 muurkha ♪ Because it's all right now; I've learned my lesson well. ♫ You see, you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself. ♪ 20:47 independent56 You can please everyone if you play their game 20:47 independent56 Tickle their egos and do what they want, but behind the mask youre really doing what you want 20:47 MTDiscord "Haha, I tricked you into thinking that I enjoy your game, but secretly, I actually DO enjoy your game." 🤔 20:48 independent56 What if i'm just being here providing counterarguments as it's what makes me seem intresting and a developed person in IRC, which has benifits across the community 20:48 independent56 And what if i just revise to please the examiner, program in haskell to please the university people, and run a webserver to please devops people? 20:50 MTDiscord ...and what if all of that is just one giant Abilene Paradox anyway? 20:50 muurkha You can't do that if more than one person is observing you at once 20:50 muurkha because sometimes the intersection of what those people find acceptable is the empty set. Consider what you would do if you had Salman Rushdie over for dinner, for example. 20:51 muurkha Or Donald Trump, if you're from the USA. 20:51 independent56 Yeah, but i dislike some people so it don't matter if i don't please them 20:52 independent56 I won't name them to please them to maube takethem out of dislike 20:52 independent56 What matters is that the people i like are pleased and the other people come later 20:52 MTDiscord If I had people I didn't like over for dinner, I'd actually want them to be unhappy. If I had people I really didn't like over for dinner, then I'd want them to be happy ... at least until it's too late to take the antidote. 20:54 independent56 Yeah no 20:55 MTDiscord I'm not sure exactly what kind of situation would force me to have an asshole over for dinner though? 20:55 independent56 What i'd do is get them to storm off in anger as each nanoparticle of the poision protective coating wears off as they drive back 20:55 independent56 They have also been aligned with other people i don't like on the motorway for maximumm win 20:55 independent56 To get an asshole over for dinner, just bring yourself and your lower bits 20:56 independent56 Maybe even bring more by using other animals 20:59 independent56 And i mean, the asshole will be dealing with all your shit so i'd say it's convinient to have them over 21:00 independent56 (don't tell me you use TP; it's unhygenic where bidets are perfect 21:05 muurkha Warr1024: presumably if you had Salman Rushdie over for dinner, it would be because you liked him, but whatever you did afterwards would be unacceptable to significant world populations 21:05 muurkha bidets are indeed great 21:05 MTDiscord Hmm, dammit ... guess I'm gonna have to google them then? 21:06 independent56 ?! 21:06 independent56 You don't even know what they are? 21:06 muurkha probably Warr1024 is from an underdeveloped country like the US 21:06 independent56 The asshole should be the very last body part to handle fecal matter; using your hands is gross 21:06 independent56 Yeah 21:07 independent56 Bidets are a sign of sophistication 21:08 MTDiscord Seems like a Dawkins sort of fellow. 21:09 MTDiscord Dammit, why does every controversy in wikipedia have its own page? I don't want to have to open up like 5 different articles to figure out what a single name-drop is meant to signify. 21:13 independent56 I don't see much drama...? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet 21:13 independent56 Except the fact that it is named after french ponies 21:16 muurkha He's talking about Salman Rushdie 21:16 MTDiscord > The asshole should be the very last body part to handle fecal matter; using your hands is gross 21:16 MTDiscord there's reason why we only use LEFT hand to wash our asshole here, and only use RIGHT hand to eat or handle anything else 21:17 MTDiscord also, wash hands before and after doing anything 21:18 MTDiscord If you wash your left hand with your right hand then there's really no particular reason to require use of the left hand in the first place. You're largely going to equalize everything before your rinse it all down the drain anyway. 21:31 independent56 Yes, but you don't equalize 21:31 independent56 You use soap and use your right hand to let it get everhywhere 21:35 ROllerozxa the best method of wiping is clearly wiping on a (white) sofa until no stain shows up anymore x) 21:35 ROllerozxa (I'm sorry, I just thought of that somehow and it's absolutely gross and I can't stop laughing) 21:39 muurkha you can scoot yourself backwards along the sofa by pushing with your feet until you stop leaving a racing stripe 21:43 MTDiscord y'all are about 10 minutes away from inventing a toilet paper bandsaw. 21:45 mazes_80 hi, I'm encountering a weird lightning problem. I can see emitted light through plain walls from two of my hosts 21:45 mazes_80 Not about 5.7 upgrade as I already saw it some weeks ago with 5.6.1 21:46 mazes_80 not sure it was present at first when using 5.6.1 21:47 muurkha heh, for a moment I thought you were hallucinating and then I realized you were talking about Minetest 21:48 MTDiscord When it comes to lighting, no need to hallucinate, MT does that for you. For a long time I've made szutil_fixhack standard on all my servers; it does continuous background lighting recalcs. 21:48 MTDiscord I actually forgot how many lighting bugs there were until playing on a server that doesn't have it... 21:49 MTDiscord If you can remove and replace the light sources and the problem returns, then it's not one of the familiar problems, though. Maybe the materials the walls are made of are not as opaque as you had assumed? 21:49 mazes_80 nice_hint I'll try to see if it is better with it on my home server 21:50 mazes_80 I just come to encounter it with "default:stone" 21:50 mazes_80 quite sure it should be opaque 21:57 mazes_80 I can still see lights from the floor under at corner in an attic with szutil_fixhack on 21:57 mazes_80 only from corners though 21:58 MTDiscord Are you talking about through stair nodes? 21:58 mazes_80 on a server I joined before, it was behind stone wall 21:58 MTDiscord Stairs and slabs have to be light-permeable or else they render as all-black. 21:58 MTDiscord Hmm, can you post a screenshot or something? 22:00 mazes_80 I'll better go on the other server, here it is slabs and stairs, I double layer them to avoid those problems usually 22:04 mazes_80 the double layer is not complete, I still think it's weird that light come trought at this place 22:07 independent56 Ok, i'msure i wrote about the hobby cycle in some forum post but it seems to have been removed. Two questions: why? and what could i do better next time?. I'll be in bed soon, but i'll check the logs in the morning 22:12 mazes_80 attic: http://0x0.st/H8X1.png ; under: http://0x0.st/H8Xj.png ; lights: http://0x0.st/H8Xe.png 23:11 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Add focused styling to buttons (#13414) 139d1ae80 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/9d1ae80e89530e2d8883606cc35b7560edd37489 (152023-04-13T23:09:29Z) 23:11 MinetestBot 02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest: Add MAX profiler option 133d232e2 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/3d232e2345d6cf1c17e7db90e3f930c3eb500991 (152023-04-13T23:09:48Z) 23:11 MinetestBot 02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest: Track server's max AsyncRunStep 13f9b1176 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f9b1176fa9652cd0188c44cbb9416b0668bf55ff (152023-04-13T23:09:48Z)