Time Nick Message 01:45 MinetestBot 02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest: Add mesh-holding blocks to shadow drawlist. (#13203) 132a8becd https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/2a8becd650a8adaa86fd7f76122ea75f11f49dad (152023-02-17T01:43:08Z) 08:22 lissobone Češtař⛄ 17:11 MTDiscord time to see if my private copypasta engine changes will build... 17:14 MTDiscord hmm, nope 18:07 daxfold has there ever been some kind of "event" in minetest where people were invited to a large team based server 18:09 daxfold many youtubers do this with minecraft so it would be cool if something similar could be done in minetest. IIRC minetest is less resource intensive than minecraft so more people could be on a server at once depending on the hardware 18:09 MTDiscord no, Minetest doesn't scale well enough for that 18:09 MTDiscord it's not as simple, Minetest isn't necessarily "less resource intensive" 18:11 MTDiscord it has the "advantage" of using C++ which means less indirection, (ideally) better memory management (no waiting for GC) and thus probably overall less memory consumption (and perhaps also smaller constant factors since C++ can run on "bare metal" whereas Java requires a JVM which in theory can outperform "bare metal" but in practice simply is slower) 18:11 MTDiscord those are the starting constant factors 18:12 DeepThgt haaaa my automatic pine tree harvester works! 18:12 MTDiscord but if you now factor in proper algo & data structure optimizations, I'd assume that Minecraft is more developed there, simply because of all the money behind it 18:13 DeepThgt it automatically plants pine trees, then harvests and sorts the saplings, wood and turns the leaves into oil 18:13 MTDiscord I also think there are Minecraft server implementations that (1) reduce resource consumption and (2) facilitate distributing the load? There's no real horizontal scaling for Minetest yet, and even our vertical scaling is bad since we mostly max out 1-2 threads. 18:14 MTDiscord I know of Minecraft servers that can hold thousands of players. Top I've seen in Minetest are hundreds. 18:14 daxfold ok 18:15 MTDiscord TL;DR: Minetest doesn't scale well. It currently couldn't handle thousands of players on a single server, and it already croaks with hundreds, requiring exorbitant hardware. 18:15 daxfold smaller servers it is then 18:15 MTDiscord yeah :P 18:15 MTDiscord I think the sweet spot where - if you have a solid game - everything runs smooth (given appropriate hardware) is 10 - 20 players 18:15 MTDiscord up to 50 players can be fine 18:16 MTDiscord but beyond that... 18:16 daxfold uh my hardware < potato 18:16 MTDiscord < potato? 18:16 MTDiscord what is it? a raspi zero? 18:16 daxfold no its not that bad actually 18:16 daxfold it runs minetest just fine 18:17 daxfold but its a laptop with integrated graphics 18:18 muurkha DeepThgt: congratulations! 18:18 daxfold DeepThgt: is it a mod or a build 18:19 daxfold id love to try it 18:19 DeepThgt build with technic, mesecons, and in this case, wireless mesecons 18:20 DeepThgt although i dont think the wireless is needed 18:20 DeepThgt well, pipeworks too 18:20 daxfold cool 18:21 daxfold i think pipeworks is the only mod of its kind; there aren't many other item transport options 18:21 daxfold if any 18:21 DeepThgt https://imgur.com/kFuVnb7.png kinda hard to see whats what here 18:21 DeepThgt but up top the metal box is a node detector 18:21 DeepThgt down near the sapling is a deployer 18:22 DeepThgt i found out you cannot have the node detector at the base of the tree, trees dont apparently grow all at once exactly 18:22 daxfold so its fully automatic? 18:22 DeepThgt yes 18:22 daxfold nice 18:23 DeepThgt if you wanna see it in person, the server is Pernia on the list 18:23 DeepThgt its painfully obvious who's area its in, im the one with the absurd steel/gold castle, its around back.... 18:24 DeepThgt right near spawn 18:25 daxfold ok 18:25 muurkha who is pipeworks by? it's owned by mt-mods now 18:26 DeepThgt VanessaE 18:26 muurkha that's what I thought. she gave us so much 18:26 DeepThgt yes, i use a lot of her work 18:28 daxfold her work was very feature-rich 18:29 daxfold Also, the other option for item transfer is a hopper mod, but these are not as easy to use and are not supported by as many mods 18:29 DeepThgt ya ive played with the hoppers in techacge 18:30 daxfold oh yes theres a mod in techage modpack that has a new cart system. it lets you transport items as well 18:58 rubenwardy Minecraft also can't scale to thousands of players. Servers that appear to have thousands of players use custom server software that, for example, share players between multiple Minecraft instances 18:58 rubenwardy Same thing is possible in Minetest. We just don't have thousands of users online at a time to justify it 18:59 daxfold oh that would be cool then 18:59 daxfold but yeah the playerbase is smaller 19:00 daxfold if only there was someone with a lot of viewers who would post a video on youtube... 19:02 rubenwardy CTF has a fair amount of players and team based 19:04 daxfold true, but it wasnt what i was thinking of. I meant more open gameplay as in you can explore the world 23:03 MinetestBot 02[git] 0420kdc -> 03minetest/minetest: Source image tracking in tile generation (#12514) 1375e6cc1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/75e6cc190a9b1cc1c3aae059502801365c3a412b (152023-02-17T23:03:03Z) 23:05 MinetestBot 02[git] 04srifqi -> 03minetest/minetest: Android: Increase minimum SDK version to 21 13c1e430e https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/c1e430ef68271b8769ae8852b2b4a2fa0fb7ccac (152023-02-17T23:03:28Z) 23:05 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jordan4ibanez -> 03minetest/minetest: lua_api.txt: Explain what a float range is 130e721f7 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/0e721f7571aa7a559bb5e5fa0aeddbc14938261a (152023-02-17T23:03:50Z) 23:05 MinetestBot 02[git] 0456independent -> 03minetest/minetest: Say /setpassword is insecure 132dafce6 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/2dafce6206dfcf02f3c31cf1abe819e901489704 (152023-02-17T23:04:52Z) 23:05 independent56 wow... 23:05 independent56 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/13049 23:05 independent56 That was a suprise 23:05 independent56 I'm happy for myself 23:06 independent56 Now my code shall help run many more server 23:06 independent56 I have now infiltrated the Minetest mainframe 23:06 independent56 Soon i will 23:06 independent56 continue adding more 23:06 independent56 And you will not escape the ghost of my code 23:06 independent56 Good luck!