Time Nick Message 02:45 FavoritoHJS of course the solution to the misteriously dissapearing cat is "sleeping on top of the machines" 02:52 DeepTht lol yea 02:52 DeepTht ofc now i have one that keeps getting out 02:52 DeepTht i think the solution is double thick walls tho 02:54 DeepTht and as far as i can tell, nyancat from dmobs isnt tameable ootb, so ill have to see if i can hack that in 02:54 DeepTht idk lua really much, but i can compare to a tameable mob 02:55 DeepTht poor runsy must be getting sick of me, ive opened 3 issues on 2 of his mods 02:55 DeepTht this week 03:01 DeepTht my horse just left my mob fence somehow, im guessing the gate breaks it? 03:09 DeepTht ok i found the dragon shit to disable 03:09 DeepTht rebooting 03:10 DeepTht oops wrong channel, sorry for the cussing 03:11 FavoritoHJS i'm guessing there are some precision losses when saving and loading entities 03:12 DeepTht probably 03:12 DeepTht crud now i have floating unknown objects lol 03:12 FavoritoHJS i think mob fences aren't affected as they seem to actively push entities out while normal collisions don't 03:12 FavoritoHJS though i might be wrong about that... 03:13 DeepTht i assume /clearobjects would remove all objects right 03:13 FavoritoHJS i'm fairly sure 03:13 DeepTht not just the unknown 03:13 DeepTht :/ 03:13 FavoritoHJS try punching it and it should die 03:13 DeepTht what would that do to tamed mobs 03:13 DeepTht its flying 03:13 DeepTht https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2777 03:14 DeepTht ah here might be a solution 03:14 FavoritoHJS i suggest making a backup first, just in case 03:14 DeepTht ya 03:14 DeepTht ill talk to the server owner before i do so 03:17 DeepTht they should just despawn too 03:17 DeepTht so it may be no big deal 03:18 FavoritoHJS i don't think unknown objects despawn 03:19 FavoritoHJS but since they preserve current velocity, they will get away enough to not matter 03:20 DeepTht there is only 2 im gonna log into admin and hit em 03:23 DeepTht ok way more than 2 03:23 DeepTht i think i got them all tho 09:49 lissobone bybetest. 14:44 latex Sometimes I want to play minetest, but then I realize I have to login or register with a password and I worry that if I use the same password I could be opening up my accounts to being stolen, and I don't want to have to open my password manager every time I want to play a game, so I just quit 14:44 latex Anyone know a solution to this problem? 14:44 latex Why doesn't minetest use certificates like Mumble or key pairs like SSH? 14:45 DeepTht overly complicated for people to just play a game 14:46 DeepTht just append the pw with a unique few chars for each server 14:46 latex But that still sucks ass tbh 14:46 latex It's just bad design 14:47 DeepTht passwords are not bad design 14:47 mrkubax10 ^ 14:47 latex You don't want to rely on password authentication. It's so complicated 14:47 DeepTht i think you are overthinking it 14:47 latex It's a real hassle 14:47 latex SSH did it right 14:47 latex Mumble did it right 14:47 latex Use certificates or keypairs 14:47 DeepTht most users wont even bother setting up a key pair or cert to login 14:47 DeepTht what about being able to log in from several devices? 14:47 latex Then just auto generate one like Mumble does 14:48 latex Copy your key or cert 14:48 latex to that machine 14:48 DeepTht lol 14:48 latex jjjjjj 14:48 DeepTht its a game 14:48 mrkubax10 if you are really concerned about using the same password just add few characters like DeepTht said and store those passwords in program like KeePassX 14:48 latex jjjjjjj 14:48 DeepTht not a server 14:48 latex oops sorry for spam 14:48 muurkha there are advantages and disadvantages to using passwords for authentication rather than certificates 14:48 latex Well what about giving both options? 14:49 muurkha there are advantages and disadvantages of that too 14:49 muurkha does Mumble encrypt its voice traffic, by the way? 14:49 mrkubax10 I think that it does 14:49 latex Yes. All traffic in mumble is encrypted 14:50 muurkha does it have a constant bit rate codec option yet? encrypting voice traffic without CBR is not as useful as one might like 14:50 latex The codec is pretty versatile. It uses Opus 14:50 muurkha that's not what I'm asking 14:51 muurkha often a passive adversary can learn enough to be harmful about what is being said from the time-varying bit rate even if they can't decrypt the traffic 14:51 latex I'm not very well known on what Mumble's internals are, but I know it encrypts everything mandatorily 14:51 muurkha Opus can be used in VBR or CBR modes, like most codecs 14:51 latex Mumble might be using CBR as you can set the bitrate with a slider, but idk for sure 14:51 muurkha Thanks! 14:52 muurkha I'm not a Minetest developer but from my point of view the disadvantage of offering authentication options is that it's another hurdle to get started playing 14:52 rubenwardy latex: Minetest uses SRP, passwords are not sent to the server 14:52 latex What does SRP do? 14:52 rubenwardy it's a proof based authentication algorithm 14:53 rubenwardy rather than sending the password, the client proves that it knows the password using cryptography 14:53 latex Hashing? 14:53 rubenwardy no 14:53 latex What then? 14:53 rubenwardy it's proof based, no hashing 14:53 latex The only way I know how to authenticate to a server is by sending password, server hashes it and compares to hash in database 14:53 muurkha well, things that are proof-based can use hashing, but SRP isn't based on hashing 14:54 rubenwardy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Remote_Password_protocol 14:54 latex Or a less secure way to do it is to hash on client, send to server, server compares, which is susceptible to database leak and everyone is hijacked 14:54 rubenwardy If you reuse passwords, then a malicious server could man-in-the-middle to then log into another server. But it wouldn't be able to steal the password 14:55 rubenwardy like, other than cracking it, which is can already do if the password is weak 14:55 muurkha I don't know what the computational cost of checking an SRP login attempt is or how much of it can be offloaded to the client 14:56 lissobone If your computer doesn't significantly heat up, the computational cost isn't high. 14:56 muurkha it's possible to use SRP in a way that strongly defends against MITM as well, but AFAIK you're right that Minetest doesn't 14:56 muurkha lissobone: that's not true at all 14:56 lissobone So? 14:57 rubenwardy RE: the MITM thing - when you connect to the malicious server, it also connects to the target server. You prove you know your password, the malicious server forwards that proof and gets a connection to the target server 14:57 muurkha lissobone: there's an enormous difference between requiring a CPU microsecond of computation to check a candidate password and requiring ten CPU seconds of computation to check a candidate password, but neither one will make your computer significantly heat up 14:57 lissobone Ok. 14:58 rubenwardy The malicious server can only target one other server per log in attempt, as the SRP values will be different on each server 14:58 lissobone Who will ever seriously conduct a MITM attack in order to steal someone's minetest credentials? 14:58 rubenwardy and they'll only be able to log in once 14:59 muurkha lissobone: the MITM attack rubenwardy explained does not allow someone to steal someone else's minetest credentials 14:59 rubenwardy like, they'll need the client to give the proof for each login as the request changes 14:59 rubenwardy muurkha: yeah, correct 14:59 rubenwardy it allows stealing a connection but not credentials 14:59 lissobone Alright, but who even needs someone's minetest credentials? 14:59 lissobone Or a connection. 14:59 rubenwardy so when the connection ends, they can't log back in again 14:59 muurkha rubenwardy: right, but one of the products of executing the SRP protocol is a DH-like session key which the MITM would not get, and in ideal use of SRP that session key is used to encrypt and authenticate all further communication 15:00 rubenwardy how would that be transmitted without the MITM knowing? 15:00 muurkha it's not transmitted 15:00 rubenwardy is it based on the password? 15:00 muurkha it's computed independently on the server and the client 15:01 muurkha one of the inputs to the algorithm on the client is the password; on the server obviously not because the server doesn't know the password, but it does know the data the client sent, which is computed from the password 15:01 muurkha same as in authenticated Diffie-Hellman 15:01 rubenwardy "data the client sent" during the last password set/change, I assume 15:01 muurkha well, yes, but also during the authentication protocol 15:02 muurkha it's pretty neat, it's explained in the WP page you linked above, though I think the original SRP paper is more readable 15:02 muurkha so if Minetest used it that way, the MITM wouldn't be able to cause the player to take undesired actions, etc. they'd only be able to cut off the connection or slow it down at chosen times 15:02 rubenwardy if it's sent during the authentication protocol then won't the MITM get it 15:02 muurkha the session key is not sent during the authentication protocol; 15:00 < muurkha> it's computed independently on the server and the client 15:03 muurkha "separately" is maybe better terminology than "independently" 15:03 rubenwardy but the "data the client sent" is sent during authentication protocol, and the server computes it based on that 15:03 rubenwardy from what you just said 15:03 muurkha right, and also based on random numbers that the server generated earlier on in the protocol which are not transmitted or known to the client or the MITM 15:04 muurkha that's why the MITM can't reproduce the session-key computation the server is doing 15:04 rubenwardy not sure what you mean but I'm sure it works 15:04 rubenwardy I guess because MT doesn't have network encryption, it doesn't benefit from this? 15:04 muurkha it's a real mindfuck 15:05 muurkha that's my understanding, yes. although it would be sufficient to use the session key to HMAC each packet instead of encrypting it 15:07 muurkha I haven't actually inspected Minetest packet dumps or tried to MITM them, though, so I could be wrong about how well protected Minetest is 15:08 muurkha (also, I haven't inspected how it uses SRP, and it's possible there's a problem in how it uses SRP that nobody has noticed, and I wouldn't know) 15:09 rubenwardy est 31 wrote some custom code for it... lol 15:09 rubenwardy classic 15:55 Bombo minetest could use a pw save function, or at least save the username ;) 16:01 muurkha good point. you could couple that with an option to generate a strong password, which would require that you be able to export the saved password 16:01 muurkha that would give you most of the benefits of both password-based and public-key-based systems 16:17 latex Yeah that would be nice 16:18 latex Also I kind of have trouble finding fun minetest servers 16:18 latex On Minecraft there was always a way to find servers that were fun but I have yet to find a fun Minetest server. The closest I've gotten is some capture the flag server 16:19 latex Maybe it also doesn't help that player counts are quite low 16:37 rubenwardy try A.E.S 19:44 DeepTht is there a flag to supress warnings in logs 19:45 DeepTht like " WARNING[Server]: The use of XXX is deprecated" 20:56 independent56 I've just been told to leave Minetest as a direct result of my ineptness at social encounters. Should i to preserve your health? 20:56 independent56 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=420627#p420627 20:57 MTDiscord I think they just want you to go away from their server thread, assumedly 20:58 independent56 Yeah, probably 20:59 independent56 Tempers flare and break bonds, just like fire and methane 20:59 independent56 And in the flames of this great ware, intoxicating poisions are the last to remain. 21:00 independent56 But i really need to get to the bottom of this problem 21:00 muurkha I appreciate your work 21:01 muurkha Working with other people is always somewhat difficult. Condolecnes 21:01 muurkha *nc 21:01 DeepTht i dont think you are the one incapable of socialising from that thread 21:01 FavoritoHJS you weren't joking when you said "replace everything with boom emoji" 21:01 DeepTht i think thats actually W3RQ01 21:01 independent56 Such is the curse of the echochamber 21:02 independent56 The wrong cries are the ones which grow louder 21:02 DeepTht also, i seriously dislike anyone who uses "kiddo" unless talking about their kids or something 21:02 MTDiscord I haven't followed the entire linuxforks drama, what even happened to create this back and forth in the LF thread 21:02 independent56 So it seems i found the right echochamber 21:02 FavoritoHJS from what little remains, seems like it's some you (at least if the 10c/clone thing is real) yet their behavior also leaves a whole lot to be desired 21:03 MTDiscord oh great, this again 21:03 muurkha probably forming up factions that deprecate one another is not the best solution, because it's unlikely to end with everybody still contributing work to Minetest 21:03 independent56 I always knew LF was a bad thing 21:04 independent56 Yeah, my 10 euro cent idea was stupid and madein the heat of the moment 21:04 independent56 But if Advtrains grows more toxic to me i'll go make "final advtrains" and finally get some peace 21:04 DeepTht https://github.com/minetest/forum.minetest.net_template1/issues/11 21:05 DeepTht this is truly an absurd captcha mechanism 21:05 FavoritoHJS i suspect a slight lack of room-reading is common there, considering when i suggested to update some mods they said they forked them... so why fork if you won't maintain 21:05 DeepTht if it wasnt for this thread, the answer wouldnt be readily apparent 21:05 MTDiscord DeepTht: what the hell, do people not know the username of minetest's creator? celeron55? 21:06 DeepTht if you google who made it, you get the real name 21:06 independent56 It's like that UK citizenship test "you need to know the name of our 10th king to get access" 21:06 DeepTht and no, i dont know who orginally created half the foss software 21:06 DeepTht that i use 21:06 independent56 "You only get to be a citizen of Minetest if you know c55" 21:06 DeepTht idk why its relevant 21:06 MTDiscord searches who made minetest ..."Minetest team", very useful 21:06 independent56 "minetest team 55" :p 21:07 MTDiscord anyways independent56: cut your losses and move on already, it's pretty clear the LF people don't want to have you there so you probably shouldn't try to keep poking them 21:07 independent56 Good idea 21:07 independent56 I like Advtrains, but i will make "Final Advtrains" if i have to 21:08 independent56 I'll even steal the poem from Final Minetest 21:08 independent56 Oh and also, about the boom emoji, autism can create some quite crazy devotion. 21:09 FavoritoHJS celeron plz can we have undo message history plz celeron 21:09 DeepTht lol at making absurd questions for signup, and not configuring the mail server correctly 21:09 DeepTht activation msg got spammed 21:10 MTDiscord c55's mail servers leave a lot to be desired, just like with the rest of the services he hosts unfortunately 21:10 MTDiscord ^this 21:10 DeepTht is contentdb also hosted by the same? 21:10 DeepTht cause it can be slow as hell at times 21:10 MTDiscord lol no 21:11 FavoritoHJS i'd say ask rubenwardy to host them but then we'll have single point of failure issues 21:11 DeepTht lately its been fine though 21:11 MTDiscord rubenwardy hosts cdb. 21:11 MTDiscord contentdb is hosted by rubenwardy on a server that's not dying 21:11 MTDiscord as far as im aware, cdb has always been fine. the forum however has always been terrible 21:11 MTDiscord wiki is... don't even try 21:12 independent56 CDB didn't die, even after a surge from youtube tbf 21:12 DeepTht the wiki is filled with absolutely broken links everywhere 21:12 MTDiscord broken links? 21:12 DeepTht to pages that are depricated etc 21:12 FavoritoHJS i fear the best option for the wiki is to archive and start over... 21:12 DeepTht ive found it to be mostly useless 21:12 independent56 Rubenwardy seems to be a competent sysadmin given contentdb 21:12 MTDiscord yeah I know 21:12 independent56 Or maybe it's "own work own passion" thing 21:12 MTDiscord I've been trying to go through and clean up the wiki 21:12 DeepTht there is a startling lack of useful information about anything beyond playing the game 21:12 MTDiscord but it's a lot of stuff 21:13 MTDiscord the wiki also treats minetest as a game which is... not ideal 21:13 MTDiscord isnt the wiki still outdated and partially broken 21:13 rubenwardy DeepTht: I've had slowness of CDB reported but I've never been able to reproduce it myself, probably because I'm fairly close to the host 21:13 DeepTht it comes and goes for me 21:13 DeepTht right now cdb is fast 21:13 DeepTht a week ago it took over 60ms for a pageload 21:13 rubenwardy there's a blackbox monitor that records the response time of the CDB homepage 21:14 FavoritoHJS but who will do that? celeron doesn't, rw already has contendb so any more would decrease bus factor... does anyone else know how to keep a page alive? 21:15 MTDiscord there has been offers in the past 21:15 rubenwardy do you mean 600ms? 60ms is faster than I see it 21:16 DeepTht yes 21:16 DeepTht sorry im having an IBS flare up day, so my brain is dead 21:16 DeepTht cant even use grep properly today without retrying several times, its that bad 21:24 independent56 Wow, sorry for you 21:25 DeepTht eh, its life. ill feel better tomorrow 21:25 DeepTht thanks for the sympathy 21:25 independent56 Quick tip: Alcohol can help your mind feel better 21:25 independent56 it works for me 21:25 DeepTht not me, I don't drink anymore 21:25 DeepTht i had serious issues with it 10 years ago or so 21:26 independent56 Oh yeah that 21:26 independent56 I have Russian heritage so alcoholism comes naturally for me. 21:26 independent56 My parents drink two glasses each dinner 21:26 independent56 Hopefully i become old enough to legally smoke marijuana 21:26 independent56 Which is far better 21:27 DeepTht also physically addictive, especially if you use heavily for a long time 21:27 DeepTht just fyi 21:27 independent56 Yeah, i go out cycling every day but all that does is make me feel tired 21:27 DeepTht i quit about 20 days ago, still cant sleep well, night sweats, anxiety, tinnitus 21:28 DeepTht now my only vices are caffiene and nicotine 21:28 independent56 Sorry for you, IBS and Alcohol problems?! 21:28 rubenwardy ContentDB uses a lot of bandwidth that limits where it can be hosted - on average 2TB per month, but I'd want to be able to survive a 20x increase at least 21:28 independent56 I barely have anything wrong with mild autism and a caffine and hair-pulling addiction, as well as alcohol on rainydays 21:28 rubenwardy It's hosted on a Virtual Dedicated Server (VDS) from netCup (RS 2000 G9.5, 6-core 3.35GHz, 16GB RAM) 21:28 DeepTht ya I have ASD as well 21:29 DeepTht so I feel you there 21:29 independent56 I go the risky route and host everything from home because mum only buys boring things, like braces for 800 euros because modern beauty standards 21:30 independent56 Or 1,000 a month for international school because apparently she values an English cirriculum more then a once-in-a-lifetime oppurtunity to be forced to learn languages. 21:30 independent56 Autism is what leads to me being hated eventually on every community i go to 21:30 independent56 It's why i had to leave MT discord and LF and various others. 21:30 independent56 And it happens just when i feel like i'm finally getting better at social situations. 21:31 DeepTht when i was younger I waited tables at low end restaraunts, it helped me grow socially a lot 21:31 DeepTht cause id get paid more to act "normal" 21:31 independent56 Intresting 21:32 independent56 But i'm to busy trolling to do that /j 21:32 DeepTht ha 21:32 independent56 Alcohol and nicotene should be banned and replaced with marijuana 21:32 independent56 And caffeene imo 21:34 MTDiscord what does any of that have to do with minetest? 21:34 independent56 Oh yeah, i forgot about being on-topic 21:34 DeepTht absolutely nothing, sorry 21:34 independent56 Anyways....! Alcohol addiction and marijuana addiction mods for minetest anyone? 21:35 DeepTht lol 21:35 DeepTht there is already a marijuana mod for mt 21:35 DeepTht its silly 21:35 MTDiscord im not saying stop, but it seems a bit weird. I also dont know the rules for mt irc 21:35 DeepTht iirc some offtopic is ok, but we were getting excessive tbh 21:35 independent56 yeah lol 21:35 DeepTht coulda switched to pm for that discussion 21:36 independent56 Anyways, imma code an alcohol addiction mod: If you don't drink alcohol you lose 1 hp per minute. if you drink alcohol, you lose 2 hp per two minutes 21:36 MTDiscord . . . 21:37 independent56 If you overcome addiction, you gain 2 addiction points per minute 21:37 independent56 And if it reaches full, you get addicted again 21:37 MTDiscord uhh 21:37 independent56 The only way to quit is to leave the server 21:37 independent56 Which educates people on the horror of minetest addiction 21:37 independent56 *alcohol 21:37 MTDiscord both 21:40 MTDiscord alcohol ๐Ÿ’€i was at a party on Friday and one of my friends had like a litre of pimms and 5 vodka shots. by the end of the night he was vomitting and his christian conservative parents werent happy to say the least. i messaged him the next morning asking how he was and he said he didnt even remember what happened 21:41 independent56 That's too much! 21:41 independent56 You want it to mess with your head in a good way, not this way. 21:41 MTDiscord I once tried a bit of whiskey, ugh, that stuff is horrible 21:42 independent56 Yeah, go for something classy like wine or... i dunno, liquor? 21:42 MTDiscord should have been a bit good since the bottle had vanilla beans in it in an attempt to make vanilla extract, but it was beyond horrible 21:42 MTDiscord I dont drink 21:42 MTDiscord I like root beer 21:42 independent56 Boring! 21:42 MTDiscord the pimms was very nice tbh and i dont blame him for having that much lmao 21:42 independent56 What's life without a few risks? 21:42 MTDiscord https://tenor.com/view/snoopy-beer-alcohol-peanuts-drinking-gif-5486701 21:43 MTDiscord I dont need that kind of risk 21:43 MTDiscord I am already a firefighter, thats risk enough 21:43 independent56 I'm British and Russian! I have Alcohol addiction in my genes! ARGHH! 21:43 independent56 Every friday night i drink a bottle of vodka 21:43 MTDiscord a bottle? dang 21:43 independent56 'Cause when I leave for the night, I ain't coming back 21:43 MTDiscord damn you are a firefighter already? last i remember, you were training. well done! 21:43 independent56 Trying to get a little bit tipsy 21:44 MTDiscord j, Ive been a firefighter since I was 16 21:44 MTDiscord Im working on my associates degree though still 21:44 MTDiscord and I just became an EMT 21:44 independent56 Ain't got a care in the world, but got plenty of beer 21:44 independent56 Has anyone got my references yet? 21:44 MTDiscord i56: is that TiKToK by i don't remember who 21:44 independent56 Yes, Ke$ha, queen of the 00s 21:44 MTDiscord so you're 18 now? 20? 21:45 MTDiscord 18 21:45 MTDiscord that makes you a member of my age group 21:45 MTDiscord which is? 21:45 MTDiscord 18 years lol 21:45 MTDiscord lol, I thought you were older tbh 21:46 MTDiscord nah, just been a nerd for almost a decade now 21:46 MTDiscord LMD is actually 69 btw!!! (/j) 21:46 MTDiscord if so, hes probably calling you and me dang whippersnappers 21:47 MTDiscord this generation and their phones, honestly... 21:47 MTDiscord I dont officially have a phone, but I use one when I go to town and on fire calls. 21:48 MTDiscord Usually, I try to use whole sentences and proper grammar, compared to all of these goofballs I see in minetest chat. 21:48 MTDiscord about 90% of it is slang abbreviations, and emojis I have never seen before. 21:48 independent56 Wut? Yu want grammar propers? wowzers, what a suprize 21:48 MTDiscord grammar is overrated innit fam 21:49 MTDiscord ya cant be down these ends with grammar styll g 21:49 independent56 yah, it's chewsday innit 21:49 independent56 No wait it's sunday innt 21:49 independent56 i forgor which day ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€ 21:49 MTDiscord he forgor ๐Ÿ’€ 21:49 MTDiscord Sometimes, I wonder why I went to English class with how ridiculous some things I see and read. 21:49 MTDiscord you forgor ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€ 21:50 independent56 British people โ˜• 21:50 MTDiscord j45, independent56: are you trying to illustrate what PrairieWind is speaking of? ;) 21:50 independent56 Exacto 21:50 MTDiscord I'm American, by the way ๐Ÿ˜„ . 21:50 MTDiscord British people ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€ 21:50 MTDiscord so, what if I made my website look like my editor 21:50 independent56 Thank's matey, i'll put another one on the barbie and go fight the spider trying to claim my backyard 21:51 MTDiscord Aussie? 21:51 independent56 Yes, exactl 21:51 MTDiscord vim? 21:51 MTDiscord micro 21:51 independent56 I own an emerald mine... Guys, i'm one of you, i promise! Here's my hypertunnel for inefficent space wasting transport devices! 21:51 independent56 Guess who i'm imitating 21:52 MTDiscord idk 21:52 independent56 Oh and also i landed a rocket booster AF no crosshaird LMAO 21:52 MTDiscord elon musk? 21:52 independent56 I was imitating Elon Musk 21:52 MTDiscord terminal editor LMD? 21:52 independent56 Yes, exactl 21:52 MTDiscord yes 21:53 MTDiscord I hope its light...might make coding easier for me. 21:53 MTDiscord pretty lightweight, yeah 21:53 MTDiscord micro is very nice 21:53 MTDiscord since I have to open up geany too when I already have the terminal open. 21:53 independent56 Few, i thought you were talking about light theme ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€ 21:53 MTDiscord independent56: Space X is pretty awesome though, no matter the Muskrat 21:54 MTDiscord i56: careful, roller and lmd both use light mode 21:54 independent56 Yeah, but Musk only said "do this rediculous thing", and all his underpaid slaves were like "ok, elon, as long as i get a money" 21:54 independent56 Light theme for terminals ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€ 21:54 MTDiscord what the fuck, I don't use light mode 21:54 MTDiscord independent56: how can you be certain that the "hyperloop" is a "ridiculous" thing? 21:54 MTDiscord frankly I can't tell, it might be 21:54 independent56 No, i mean the vegas loop 21:54 independent56 A claustrophobic place where you can't even open your doors 21:54 MTDiscord why do you have the light mode role then? ๐Ÿคจ๐Ÿคจ๐Ÿคจ 21:55 independent56 Just put the glasgow subway in those tunnels FFS 21:55 MTDiscord Says the guy with light mode role. 21:55 MTDiscord I got light mode role because I used to have a white ralsei pfp 21:55 MTDiscord I obviously use yellow mode 21:55 MTDiscord mhm 21:56 MTDiscord good night folks 21:56 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1064301979154796655/image.png 21:56 independent56 https://imgur.com/a/xpkm8gu I like to mixmy themes 21:56 MTDiscord For a while, I had the light mode role, and I had no idea why or who gave it to me. It really annoyed me, as I dont use light mode except in a couple select websites...along with ones that dont have dark mode. 21:56 independent56 Dark, dark, and lkight 21:57 independent56 ARGHH YELLOW MODE ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€ 21:57 MTDiscord ugh, my eyes roller, thats quite the ugly color mode. 21:57 MTDiscord LOL 21:57 MTDiscord if I keep this up I might get a cool yellow username 21:58 MTDiscord Aren't you authorized to ask for an ugly yellow role? 21:58 independent56 https://imgur.com/a/4b5YWNC 21:58 independent56 Guess what i use 21:59 MTDiscord dark mode with vs 21:59 MTDiscord jokes aside I use seti monokai as my vs code theme 21:59 MTDiscord I think it's pretty nice 21:59 independent56 High contrast dark mode 21:59 MTDiscord used to use dracula but I find seti monokai to have better contrast 21:59 MTDiscord I haven't managed to find a dark mode option for geany...yet, otherwise I would use it. 21:59 independent56 I usually use monokai but i like to change for screenshots because i like messing with people 22:00 FavoritoHJS oh no... 22:00 MTDiscord I just end up seeing this 22:00 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1064303109477777538/image.png 22:00 independent56 goodnight y'all, i need to go to school and cry about waking up too early using Polish time instead of Portugese time, which honestly makes more sense 22:00 independent56 Haha you use geany? Grow up and use nano 22:01 independent56 Or Netbeans 22:01 MTDiscord at least the text color is better than default 22:01 DeepTht just use cat 22:01 independent56 ed 22:01 MTDiscord x_x 22:01 MTDiscord It used to be red and orange, I found a setting and changed it to green and gray. 22:01 MTDiscord good night i56 22:01 independent56 Can one of you force me to leave? 22:01 MTDiscord now to find the dark mode setting. 22:01 independent56 Like threaten me or smthn 22:01 MTDiscord https://tenor.com/view/tommen-game-of-thrones-nope-jump-out-of-window-kill-myself-gif-5620743 22:02 MTDiscord Do it before I send a virus that blows up your computer 22:02 independent56 Oh no! Too bad i use PropietaryBSD 22:02 MTDiscord leave or ill confiscate your vodka 22:02 independent56 NO!!!! 22:02 MTDiscord Hmm, better threat indeed. 22:03 MTDiscord gosh I wish there was a way to ban people from irc 22:03 MTDiscord or the internet as a whole 22:03 DeepTht you can filter anything you wish from being seen by you 22:03 MTDiscord I know one person I would start with if we could ban people from the internet. 22:04 MTDiscord At least anyway. 22:04 DeepTht dude just turn off your screen, its that simple 22:04 MTDiscord who? 22:04 DeepTht lol 22:04 DeepTht imagine getting so butthurt over other people on the internet you wish to ban them 22:04 MTDiscord Actually, two. One is the clown who tried to sell minetest and several mods illegally last hear. 22:04 MTDiscord *year 22:05 MTDiscord and I just dislike kids 22:05 MTDiscord that guy was hella funny 22:05 MTDiscord not funny but pathetic 22:05 MTDiscord The other one is a jackass who has nothing better to do in life other than use dragonfireclient and spawn kill players, besides other stupid stuff. 22:06 MTDiscord The spawnkiller's name is Kishi if you care to watch for him (Yes j45, I know you are also on the same discord server, so you know who I am talking about). 22:07 MTDiscord I chew him out about once a month. 22:07 MTDiscord yea kishi is quite an ass 22:08 MTDiscord He is only annoying in my view because he makes everyone else's experience on minetest bad, and usually I cant do anything about it. 22:09 MTDiscord Although he has dared to venture onto the VE network, so diceLibrarian and I just take care of him. 22:09 MTDiscord are you seriously shit talking some random kid with a hacked client on IRC 22:09 MTDiscord why not 22:09 MTDiscord you reap what you sow 22:10 MTDiscord random kid with a hacked client as in kishi? 22:10 MTDiscord he is very annoying tbf iirc he made cora leave the df discord server 22:10 MTDiscord Aye, he did 22:11 MTDiscord And you got appointed to cora developer because of it. 22:11 MTDiscord cora developer 22:11 MTDiscord yes lol 22:11 MTDiscord CORA DEVELOPER 22:11 MTDiscord funy 22:11 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1064305970966175836/image.png 22:12 MTDiscord honestly not surprised cora left it as mineclone is already pretty draining (constant drama) 22:12 MTDiscord Nah, she left the DF server before that. 22:13 MTDiscord why is mineclone full of drama anyway 22:13 MTDiscord also it is possible to ban people from IRC, there are in fact rules for the IRC channels but I'm sure nobody would be around to enforce them if anything actually happened ๐Ÿคท 22:13 MTDiscord ok 22:13 MTDiscord anyways idk if its just me but I feel like i56 got more annoying 22:13 MTDiscord since his ban 22:13 MTDiscord also someone should tell the mineclone folks they only should recreate the game, not the community surrounding it 22:14 MTDiscord i dont remember i56 before his ban but i dont think is he very annoying 22:14 FavoritoHJS actually they seem to be doing a terrible job of recreating the community, from what i recall even mc has less drama per modder squared 22:15 MTDiscord i have to disagree 22:15 MTDiscord i know a few big modders who gave up after internal drama and harassment 22:16 DeepTht ok this is an idiot question, with adv_trains how do you couple cars? 22:18 independent56 I heard you talking behind my back. 22:18 independent56 In which way can i be annoying? 22:18 independent56 And about which ban are you talking 22:18 MTDiscord ask flamore 22:18 independent56 I am losing sleep over this matter, by the way 22:18 MTDiscord MTD ban, i think 22:18 MTDiscord talking behind your back would imply we were talking privately and not in a public channel 22:18 MTDiscord hi that's me 22:19 independent56 With Advtrains, put two carriages close and between them there should be some broken chain 22:19 independent56 Right-click it and then they're besties 22:19 MTDiscord you're losing sleep because some people on the internet think you're annoying? 22:19 DeepTht danke 22:19 MTDiscord relatable 22:19 independent56 Yes, my image is very sensitive 22:20 independent56 You must remember i am a dictator of a minetest server, so i take ridicule very seriously 22:21 MTDiscord LOL 22:21 independent56 I should have Flamore flagged and quartered 22:21 independent56 And we might even get furries to draw him, a fate worse then death 22:22 MTDiscord yeah he's annoying 22:22 MTDiscord you're saying that like it's a bad thing? 22:22 DeepTht well i have 2 right next to each other and no chain 22:22 MTDiscord also doesn't the former sound like a death threat? 22:22 FavoritoHJS yup... glad to see you haven't changed since 2020 roller 22:22 FavoritoHJS i was afraid of that, someone like you rising through the ranks of another place 22:23 MTDiscord what 22:23 MTDiscord please dont do this favorito 22:23 FavoritoHJS do you remember? 2020 22:23 MTDiscord oh my god don't bring drama in 22:23 FavoritoHJS you got banned due to pedophilia 22:23 independent56 Who's drama is this 22:23 independent56 Oh dammit wow that's nasty 22:23 independent56 As a former minor, i hate pedophiles 22:23 MTDiscord yeah I do remember when I was lured into an NSFW channel when I was 15 22:23 MTDiscord FavoritoHJS why dont you just stfu with your lie that has been repeatedly ignored 22:23 FavoritoHJS some random discord server 22:23 MTDiscord how is roller a pedo if he is literally 16 22:24 independent56 15 is the age of consent in france 22:24 independent56 14 in andorra 22:24 FavoritoHJS who is 16? i recall you saying you are serior high scool 22:24 FavoritoHJS school* 22:24 FavoritoHJS something doesn't quite add up here 22:24 independent56 I'm 16 22:24 MTDiscord idk iirc roller is around that age 22:24 independent56 The age of consent in the UK and Spain 22:24 MTDiscord Favorito i'm pretty sure that you were warner earlier about bringing in drama and accusations 22:24 MTDiscord what, I'm 18 now 22:24 MTDiscord warned* 22:24 independent56 Quick tip: The age of consent for Welsh sheep is 0 22:25 MTDiscord my birthday is public, you clearly should have seen it considering you've been snooping around 22:25 FavoritoHJS and? from what I recall your actions went above and beyond just being lured into an nsfw channel 22:25 DeepTht https://imgur.com/lRw9Fhu.png 22:25 diceLibrarian who pinged me 22:25 independent56 Strange 22:25 MTDiscord wsor: do you happen to be able to ban people on IRC? 22:25 independent56 Maybe check your privs or ask in the Advtrains forum, i'm sure they'll be happy to help 22:26 diceLibrarian hmmmm 22:26 hmmmm hi 22:26 MTDiscord nope, thats the people who have +o option 22:26 MTDiscord :/ 22:26 diceLibrarian does wsor4035 have +oO? 22:26 MTDiscord some people are pathetic 22:26 diceLibrarian doesn't look like it 22:26 diceLibrarian but I see a fake labrat-gone-rogue 22:27 Kimapr rubenwardy shows up as moderator on the matrix side 22:27 MTDiscord FavoritoHJS: what, like siivooja? 22:27 DeepTht i ran /grantme all so its not a priv issue 22:27 MTDiscord when you have a tech support channel, expect people to try to make conversation in it 22:27 independent56 Maybe bring the trains closer together 22:27 MTDiscord that's what I learned from linuxmint-help@spotchat 22:27 Noisytoot You can see the ops with /msg ChanServ FLAGS #minetest 22:28 FavoritoHJS that's a name i haven't heard in a while 22:28 MTDiscord i keep thinking you're me when you show up 22:28 MTDiscord exactly the joke Flamore 22:28 independent56 http://advtrains.de/wiki/doku.php?id=usage:howto#coupling_wagons 22:28 MTDiscord I couldn't find a good quote image 22:28 FavoritoHJS unless they're here, however, i doubt the importance of that. 22:29 MTDiscord interesting 22:29 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1064310269112754276/image.png 22:29 DeepTht ty independent56 22:29 MTDiscord but didn't Vanessa retire? 22:29 MTDiscord Jordach is a mod ๐Ÿ’€ 22:29 MTDiscord and shara vanished 22:29 independent56 Anyways, tell me in which way i am annoying 22:29 diceLibrarian I plead the fifth 22:30 independent56 Are my parties too loud? Do i sing to much in the shower? 22:30 MTDiscord jordach isn't a mod tho? 22:30 diceLibrarian Jordach did design the Sam skin 22:30 MTDiscord you're obnoxiously loud about "consuming alcohol" when I'm pretty sure you're still a minor 22:30 independent56 Yeah, that's a pretty bad thing for me to do 22:30 MTDiscord "ah yes I drink a bottle vodka every Friday" "I have British and Russian in my blood, gosh I love alcohol" 22:30 independent56 But brits do it all the time 22:31 diceLibrarian come back to me when you're Irish 22:31 MTDiscord imagine consuming alcohol 22:31 DeepTht ya something is seriously wrong, onboard computer button does nothing 22:31 MTDiscord you didn't deny the minor part 22:31 independent56 I don't drink a bottle of vodka, just a small sip of wine when the days grow dark 22:31 MTDiscord you're contradicting yourself 22:31 independent56 I also have an unhealthy addiction to merzbow by the way 22:32 DeepTht oh grantme all didnt grant train operator 22:32 Noisytoot "As a former minor" implies not currently being a minor 22:32 independent56 It helps a lot when everyone is getting annoying and i just need something i can play to feel like i have control 22:32 independent56 Noisytoot, Minor of being below 18 for alcohol, major of being 16, which is the age of consent 22:32 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1064311197895241779/YOU_ARE_HERE.png 22:33 MTDiscord Noisytoot: my memory might be full of holes but i am sure he's still a minor 22:33 independent56 Context? 22:33 MTDiscord the drinking age is 21 22:33 MTDiscord at least stateside 22:33 independent56 No it's not 22:33 independent56 I live in Spain 22:33 independent56 I only need to be 18 22:34 MTDiscord yeah just let me wait for eternity until discord fixes it's search function 22:34 independent56 Same in the UK 22:34 MTDiscord hmmmm lemme ask noah about that one 22:34 independent56 I'm only two years off 22:34 MTDiscord i wish i could live in spain sadly im stuck in the miserable uk lmao 22:34 independent56 Which i guess is fair as i'm 2 years born prematurely 22:34 independent56 Yeah, i'm glad i left that shithole 22:34 independent56 Pound is collapsing, i don't even know who runs the country 22:34 independent56 And i missed the EU 22:35 independent56 And we even voted "stay" and "labour"! 22:35 diceLibrarian [1/15/23 17:34:26] Which i guess is fair as i'm 2 years born prematurely \\ uhhhhhhhhhhhh how the hell does that even work? the limit is nine months 22:35 MTDiscord i mean the healthcare in Madrid isnt the best rn but it's certainly better than the NHS 22:35 independent56 diceLibrarian: I still don't get the context of the image 22:35 hmmmm diceLibrarian: sure thing man. 22:35 independent56 I live closer to Barcelona then Madrid 22:35 MTDiscord ... 22:36 MTDiscord the human gestation period is nine months 22:36 independent56 Like who is it referring to and who did i call an asshat? 22:36 MTDiscord the context is that you're in the lower levels of the pyramid of disagreement 22:36 independent56 Still don't get it cos i'm agreeing 22:36 MTDiscord It's a catch-all image I made when someone started spamming insults on CatLandia 22:36 independent56 I agree my alcohol addiction needs to be fixed lol 22:37 independent56 But it's only like a small glass a month lol 22:37 MTDiscord my problem is that you're completely ignoring legality and science 22:37 MTDiscord you're of "legal drinking age" (18) and you were born "2 years early" therefore you're not more than 16 22:37 independent56 My friends at school were vaping and drinking in the school bathrooms 22:37 independent56 At the same time! 22:37 independent56 They vaped wine and drank vape liquid! 22:37 MTDiscord the whole vaping thing is a huge problem here in England 22:37 MTDiscord and you shouldn't be drinking trust me 22:37 independent56 I know 22:37 MTDiscord and how are you even BORN two years early. the human gestation period is nine months, which is only three quarters of a year 22:38 MTDiscord I've lived with alcoholics since I was born and it's not fun 22:38 MTDiscord dice, you were summoned by the great PrairieWind ๐Ÿ˜ 22:38 independent56 Yeah 22:38 MTDiscord I was, and now I'm in Bill Nye mode 22:38 kabou oh the olden days when pupils would smoalk their herbs in a water pipe filled with strong liquor 22:38 independent56 It's just that 22:38 MTDiscord meanwhile, i didn't see a single person vaping while in Spain visiting family this holidays 22:38 independent56 i'm a special snowflake 22:38 kabou rumor has it that it was good for maths comprehension 22:38 MTDiscord we all are special snowflakes 22:39 independent56 But i'm even specialer 22:39 independent56 And easily offended by words like "annoying" 22:39 MTDiscord so was I 22:39 MTDiscord anyways isn't minetest-hub the off topic irc 22:39 independent56 Oh yeah, good idea 22:39 MTDiscord but then I grew up 22:39 independent56 Now i'm offended you grew out of being offended 22:40 MTDiscord okay SJW 22:40 independent56 How DARE you try to improve your life? I'm cancelling you 22:40 diceLibrarian okay SJW 22:40 independent56 Just cos i'm jelaous 22:40 diceLibrarian okay SJW 22:40 independent56 I'm offended you used "okay" instead of "O.K." 22:41 MTDiscord i56: me llevo tu vodka si no te vas a dormir 22:41 DeepTht im offended by people being offended 22:41 diceLibrarian and that's just cursed 22:41 diceLibrarian at this point, I'm going to keep using "okay" just to infuriate 22:41 independent56 Don't you dare talk about Vodka in spanish! 22:41 independent56 It's a russian word 22:41 MTDiscord lol 22:41 independent56 Gavari po-russki cuando tu quieras gavarid de alcohol 22:42 independent56 Y vodka lol 22:42 diceLibrarian besides, you can't cancel what "Autism Speaks" already cancelled 22:42 rubenwardy Flamore: no, confusingly offtopic is in #minetest 22:42 rubenwardy -hub should probably be deleted or repurposed 22:42 MTDiscord what 22:42 MTDiscord ohhh 22:42 independent56 Flamore sounds supuciously like "flame war" i've ust realised 22:42 MTDiscord I just fuvked up bad 22:42 independent56 Goodnight todod, neccisito dormir 22:43 diceLibrarian permission to dab on his IP? 22:43 Sharp Anyone knows what is happening here? 22:43 Sharp Or what kind of theater is going on here? :) 22:43 MTDiscord "smt smt whenever you want smt of alcohol and vodka lol" oh no my Spanish is deteriorating 22:43 diceLibrarian basically, some guy decided to not make sense 22:43 MTDiscord buenas noches! 22:43 Sharp Only one guy? 22:43 MTDiscord and some other guy decided to bring in drama and false accusations 22:44 diceLibrarian and I'm the resident dickwad+LogicGuy 22:44 Sharp Nice.. :) I admire that someone has time to waste time like this ;) 22:45 diceLibrarian I even made an image that guys says "you are here" with an arrow pointing to the bottom of the hierarchy of disagreement 22:45 diceLibrarian *just says 22:45 Sharp @Flamore, but thanks for explanation :) 22:45 MTDiscord just googled, apparently the words i didnt know are russian... phew 22:46 Noisytoot Is "Gavari po-russki cuando tu quieras gavarid de alcohol" mixed Russian and Spanish? 22:46 MTDiscord I have these two images to pull whenever someone insults me or is confident in an incorrect stance 22:46 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1064314613493137478/YOU_ARE_HERE.png 22:46 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1064314613707063306/Dunning-Kruger-roll-Over.png 22:46 MTDiscord po-russki doesnt seem like a Spanish word but gavari seemed like it could be 22:46 MTDiscord noisytoot: yes 22:47 independent56 Yes, because my Russian is so bad i need to mix it with Spanish 22:47 Noisytoot po-russki and gavari are Russian 22:47 MTDiscord russki is russian for russian 22:47 Noisytoot po-russki = in Russian, gavari = talk 22:47 diceLibrarian LMFAO HE JOINED JUST TO SAY THAT, that's great 22:47 MTDiscord damn 22:48 MTDiscord yeah, sounds like someone's Discord-sniping 22:49 MTDiscord iirc he did ban evade a few times 22:49 MTDiscord i56: sometimes i forget how to speak English and just speak Spanglish without realising irl 22:49 MTDiscord irc logs exist tho 22:49 MTDiscord if you are discord-sniping, join the IRC and say ||I am the legendary fartmaster|| 22:49 sfan5 whats all the fuss here 22:49 Sharp But it should be written in their analphabet ->??????? ?? ?????? (Rusian talk) 22:50 MTDiscord legendary fartmaster, lol 22:50 MTDiscord howdy sfan5 22:50 MTDiscord analphabet 22:50 independent56 .||I am the legendary fartmaster|| 22:50 diceLibrarian ... 22:50 independent56 And i do not know what a discord sniping is] 22:50 diceLibrarian OH MY GOD, HE ACTUALLY DID IT, WHAT A LEGENT 22:50 diceLibrarian *legend 22:50 independent56 I don't even have a discord 22:50 diceLibrarian using Discord to read the IRC chat 22:50 MTDiscord personal issue 22:50 rubenwardy sigh, this channel allows offtopic but this is going way too far 22:50 FavoritoHJS he's probably using matrix then 22:50 Noisytoot Is he just reloading the public IRC logs? 22:51 diceLibrarian okay, so we know he's either on Matrix or IRC 22:51 diceLibrarian the question is: what username 22:51 MTDiscord oof, I forgot matrix was also connected here. 22:51 diceLibrarian if he's reading the public logs, that's different 22:51 independent56 I have class. I don't use discord https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2023-01-15 22:51 MTDiscord i should probably sleep given i have a lesson first period tomorrow ๐Ÿ’€ 22:51 MTDiscord good night 22:52 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1064316062688104478/Dunning-Kruger-roll-Over.png 22:52 Sharp GN 22:52 diceLibrarian response to "having class" 22:52 diceLibrarian there is nothing classy about reading IRC logs 22:53 Sharp Has anyone here solved a mod for cutting down whole trees for Mineclone? :) 22:53 prairiewind[m] Not that I am aware of 22:54 MTDiscord whats the [m} part at the end of my name???? 22:54 diceLibrarian Matrix 22:54 MTDiscord [m] 22:54 prairiewind[m] bruh 22:54 Noisytoot matrix-appservice-irc adds it to bridged users to avoid conflicting with IRC users with the same nick 22:54 Noisytoot You can message appservice to change it 22:55 Noisytoot Send !nick to @appservice:libera.chat or something like that 22:56 prairiewind[m] meh, I prefer irc over matrix anyway 22:56 independent56 nt56> i should probably sleep given i have a lesson first period tomorrow ๐Ÿ’€ 22:56 independent56 Not using discord being classy is the same way not being French is classy 22:56 independent56 But i'm british, so ihave frenchphobia in my genes 22:56 diceLibrarian aka racism 22:57 sfan5 !ban *@139.47.36.113 22:57 MTDiscord NO WAY 22:57 diceLibrarian yeah, he was getting annoying 22:57 Sharp prairiewind[m]: Do you think it would be worth the effort to expand the treecapitator mod? Or I'm alone with that.. 22:57 MTDiscord can you link the mod? 22:57 diceLibrarian because being [country's-people]phobic is basically racism 22:57 FavoritoHJS who got banned 22:58 FavoritoHJS oh, i56 22:58 Sharp https://content.minetest.net/packages/Hybrid%20Dog/treecapitator/ 22:58 Noisytoot independent56 22:58 diceLibrarian independent56 did 22:58 MTDiscord I dont decide on effort worthiness without reading the source code and what the dependencies are 22:58 MTDiscord thank you 22:58 Sharp @PrairieWind You are welcome :) 23:00 MTDiscord comes with an api....hmm, read the api, and I should think it would work...but, you will need to make default an optional dependency, not a hard one. 23:02 MTDiscord https://github.com/HybridDog/treecapitator/blob/master/documentation/doc.md looks like the api documentation to get you started in adding in mineclone2 support. 23:04 PrairieWind thats better