Time  Nick          Message
06:22 redfish       I'm having trouble with the "digiscreen" mod. I tried drawing an image directly or using digistuff's gpu, but it never displays anything
11:11 giov4[m]      does anyone know if there's a way of obtaining the dtime outside of the functions (more specifically, in a minetest.after) that pass it as a parameter?
11:21 sfan5         question is, between which times do you want the difference?
11:21 kilbith       these functions are all running inside a server loop
11:36 rubenwardy    that's only relevant if the callback is running once per frame
11:36 rubenwardy    need more information about what they're trying to do
11:38 kilbith       frame != server step
11:38 kilbith       this isn't a client-side thing
11:38 rubenwardy    I meant frame as in physics frame
11:39 rubenwardy    the actual term is server or global step, yes
11:40 rubenwardy    ok that's not a term at all, it's just step
11:40 rubenwardy    that being physics frame
11:56 kilbith       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0u0QXPfKsQ
12:08 giov4[m]      <rubenwardy> "need more information about what..." <- I have a system that allows to declare some functions that will be called every x seconds and I use a "recursive" after to do it; I could also register a global step and accumulate time to then call the functions after x seconds have passed, but it is more unpractical and I'd rather keep the code as it is
12:09 rubenwardy    what dtime are you expecting though? The time between invocations?
12:09 giov4[m]      yes
12:09 rubenwardy    using a global step would be the easiest approach
12:10 rubenwardy    otherwise, you'd need to keep track of time and handle the game pausing
12:10 rubenwardy    shame gametime isn't a floating point number
12:10 rubenwardy    You could also just use the x seconds as the dtime, assuming you're ok with +/- 200ms of inaccuracy on laggy servers
12:13 giov4[m]      nope, I want to accumulate time so 200ms is too much, I will use the global step then; thanks everyone
12:13 kilbith       uptime is using porting::getTimeS() instead of porting::getTimeMS(), which is bad for realtime analysis
12:13 kilbith       changed that in our fork
12:27 kilbith       camera rolling + pseudo-1st view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxOqDFpJXsg
12:27 kilbith       MisterE[m] ^
12:28 kilbith       cam1:set_rotation(vec(0, 0, rot.z + 720), true)
12:59 rubenwardy    Feels like I was being hypnotized
13:51 MTDiscord     <Jordach> please tell me that camera is interpolated clientside
13:52 MTDiscord     <Jordach> also this means we can finally enjoy aircraft with pitch yaw and roll or even
13:52 MTDiscord     <Jordach> https://tenor.com/view/spaceship-lego-space-astronaut-excited-gif-15000835
13:54 kilbith       "please tell me that camera is interpolated clientside" of course it is
13:54 MTDiscord     <Jordach> thank fuck for that
13:55 MTDiscord     <Jordach> second
13:55 MTDiscord     <Jordach> does it use frames or dtime to measure defined interpolation time
14:25 kilbith       it uses the dtime of the OnAnimate loop of the camera scene node
14:27 kilbith       so even if the server is laggy, the camera will continue to interpolate smoothly
14:32 MTDiscord     <Jordach> perfect
14:32 MTDiscord     <Jordach> there are certain API calls in engine that use FPS rather than dtime for calculation
14:36 kilbith       OnAnimate() is called just before rendering the whole scene
14:37 kilbith       so it's rather the frames than the dtime
14:38 kilbith       but bear in mind that it's completely decorrelated from the server
14:38 kilbith       I mean the whole API
14:39 kilbith       there are server-side callbacks which control it, but what's happening internally then is executed on the client
16:19 Krock         is there a script or mod to find unused textures?
17:03 MTDiscord     <FatalError> Haha, yeah, only it breaks like everything
17:16 ROllerozxa    FatalError: friendly reminder that replies don't reflect over on the IRC side
17:30 MTDiscord     <FatalError> That
17:30 MTDiscord     <FatalError> Is fair
18:09 muurkha       it is discordant
18:13 fluxionary    was searching for a mod, instead i found https://minetest.cn/ . does anyone know what that is? seems to be an out-of-date clone of the web site...
18:14 fluxionary    traceroute leads to cloudflare
18:16 sfan5         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=20615 maybe
18:17 fluxionary    whois points to something called "qcminecraft"
18:18 fluxionary    yeah seems to be what sfan found
20:46 FavoritoHJS   Here's a stupid idea: I've heard that the Alder Lake microcode key got leaked. I wonder if you can use that to implement some extra instructions... maybe even bring back AVX-512 WHILE keeping E-Cores enabled!
21:02 FavoritoHJS   nevermind, it's just the BIOS key...
21:13 MTDiscord     <Vagankovo> Microcode key?
21:17 diceLibrarian how would I configure a server to send fewer requests to server announce?
21:18 sfan5         that's not configurable
21:18 sfan5         in fact if you sent fewer requests than the default your server would constantly expire from the list
21:18 diceLibrarian so then, I just have to live with the server getting a 429 error?
21:19 sfan5         how many servers are you running?
21:19 diceLibrarian we've got uhhh
21:19 diceLibrarian 8 on daconcepts
21:19 diceLibrarian 8-ish
21:19 diceLibrarian three running from my ssh folder
21:21 sfan5         looking at my current config you should be able to announce 10+ servers from a single IP fine before running into limits
21:21 diceLibrarian huh...
21:21 diceLibrarian wonder what's going on then
21:22 sfan5         okay I can tell you why: multicraft has an increased announce frequency (for no good reason IMO) so that runs into ratelimits much faster
21:22 diceLibrarian ...
21:22 diceLibrarian where do I turn that down
21:23 sfan5         src/server.cpp near ServerList::sendAnnounce
21:23 sfan5         default is 300.0
21:24 diceLibrarian is 60.0 too fast?
21:25 diceLibrarian guessing it is
21:26 diceLibrarian okay, so another problem: the server is actively running, will this break anything?
21:29 diceLibrarian I'm not editing the file until I know it's okay to do so while the server is running
22:37 MTDiscord     <SX> no, editing src/server.cpp while server is running wont break anything :)
22:41 MTDiscord     <SX> ... but because it wont affect server in any way. Then next things like compiling and installing might possibly break s/w maintenance process, depends ...
22:44 MTDiscord     <SX> Should be possible to even replace binaries while server is running unless mc does some weird lib unloading
22:44 MTDiscord     <Warr1024> Replacing binaries is possible on Linux, but generally not on Windows.
22:45 MTDiscord     <SX> Because of locks, no matter what if s/w does unload and reload things it might not be possible even on Linux.
22:47 MTDiscord     <SX> Well, possible of course but note was more about doing it without crashing running software. Very rare anyway... and when done often it is done in a more controlled manner.
22:50 MTDiscord     <SX> But mostly done with some plugin systems where you can add/remove code at will.
22:51 FavoritoHJS   > <Warr1024> Replacing binaries is possible on Linux, but generally not on Windows.
22:51 FavoritoHJS   How is that even possible? I imagine that the memory addresses for state or functions would change after compilation
22:51 MTDiscord     <SX> Binaries are loaded into memory, if needed swapped out to disk separately.
22:52 FavoritoHJS   oh, so it's not replacing the actual running binary
22:52 MTDiscord     <SX> (swap file / partition)
22:52 MTDiscord     <Warr1024> Linux also allows you to replace a file while it's being read elsewhere.  The file is just marked for later GC once all handles for it are actually closed.  One kinda ugly trick used to make temp files is to open a file, delete it, and then read and write to it.
22:53 MTDiscord     <SX> Yeah, that's also why you do not need to restart computer with most upgrades. Just software itself.
22:53 MTDiscord     <Warr1024> It's not so much a Linux thing as I think it's fairly universal amongst unix-likes.  It's just Windows that I know of that does the locking thing.
22:56 MTDiscord     <SX> You can still replace on Windows too, it is just easier with Linux. Process is kinda similar. On Windows you rename old then add new.
22:56 FavoritoHJS   I don't think you can rename files being accessed...
22:57 diceLibrarian I've done it
22:57 MTDiscord     <SX> You can.
22:57 diceLibrarian it causes issues with VLC actually
22:57 MTDiscord     <SX> Was one simple way to remove simple malware.
23:01 fluxionary    there's no way to change the default volume or sound-carry-distance for footsteps, is there?
23:01 rubenwardy    You can hot update C++ without restarting the program using some machine code black magic
23:02 fluxionary    rubenwardy: =D
23:02 FavoritoHJS   a jit with extra steps?
23:02 FavoritoHJS   (well, actually less steps since you won't need code parsing and generation, only loading)
23:03 fluxionary    i suppose i could just override the definition of every node and adjust the footstep soundspec
23:04 MTDiscord     <SX> And many plugin systems are basically hot update..
23:48 MTDiscord     <Scout> The feature isn't half baked if its half broken :D
23:51 muurkha       it's burned
23:52 MTDiscord     <Scout> I think you meant charred :p
23:54 muurkha       did you hear the Branch Davidians were fashionable?  they wore charred-ash jeans