Time  Nick             Message
07:05 Oblomov          is it possible to programmatically select an inventory slot?
09:16 CWz              There seems to be an error with stairs and slab texture: https://i.postimg.cc/WpMZ82Ry/screenshot-20220814-121329.png
09:17 CWz              latest git for both minetest and mtg
09:39 MTDiscord        <Niklp> maybe #12672
09:39 ShadowBot        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12672 -- "autoscale" feature for world-aligned textures seems to have broken in 5.6.0
10:25 CWz              any temporary fix?
10:44 MTDiscord        <Niklp> disable auto_scale in your conf
10:45 MTDiscord        <Niklp> oops i mean „autoscale_mode“
11:58 vampirefrog      is there an example mod that just adds a block type?
11:58 vampirefrog      I just want a certain 3D model in my world, as a block
12:07 vampirefrog      you know what, I was trying to add a computer but I found this laptop mod
12:07 vampirefrog      https://content.minetest.net/packages/GamingAssociation39/laptop/
12:07 vampirefrog      but it says mod 'default' is missing
12:07 vampirefrog      but I'm running mineclone5
12:07 vampirefrog      I've had this happen to me before too, any idea how I can fix it?
12:12 freshreplicant[m Default is part of Minetest Game (not the engine Minetest, which Mineclone 2 also runs on).
12:12 freshreplicant[m So that mod does not support other games it seems.
12:13 vampirefrog      hmm okay
12:25 vampirefrog      is there a way to make a http server from lua?
12:25 vampirefrog      maybe with websocket support too
12:25 vampirefrog      cause I want to make a websocket to relay the chat
13:52 freshreplicant[m vampirefrog: relay it where?
13:53 freshreplicant[m There's a bridge mod for Matrix. https://content.minetest.net/packages/joenas/matrix_chat/
13:53 freshreplicant[m And Telegram I think.
14:03 vampirefrog      relay it to whoever connects to the websocket
14:03 vampirefrog      I want it to be a server, not a client
14:04 vampirefrog      the matrix and telegram bridges act as matrix and telegram clients, whereas I want my mod to send JSON on the websocket to whoever connects to the websocket
14:12 vampirefrog      in effect, I want it to be a http server with websocket capability
14:13 vampirefrog      it can use long polling too, if websockets are too complex
14:13 vampirefrog      I don't mind writing my own http server code if I have to
14:13 vampirefrog      or it can even be a plain TCP socket
14:17 diceLibrarian    I've run into a problem
14:17 diceLibrarian    advtrains has started trying to compare a nil value, please advise
14:47 vampirefrog      looks like I can use the http client API to send data to a node.js server that does the websocket push itself
14:47 vampirefrog      would be nice to have http server functions tho
14:48 vampirefrog      though someone would have to switch libcurl for microhttpd or something like that
15:34 MTDiscord        <GoodClover> vampirefrog: Minetest can use any Lua library via require(), you just have to grant the mod an insecure environment. LuaSocket is the "standard" for doing TCP/UDP, never done a HTTP server in Lua so don't know if there's any libraries for that
15:35 MTDiscord        <GoodClover> nor websockets either
15:36 vampirefrog      TCP would be just fine
15:36 vampirefrog      my other problem would be, even if I could listen on a socket, how would I manage to not block the main process?
15:37 vampirefrog      cause I'd have to have some sort of event loop waiting on that socket
15:37 MTDiscord        <GoodClover> hehe that's the exact problem I had a while ago
15:37 MTDiscord        <GoodClover> you can set any timeouts to zero (instant timeout if no data)
15:37 MTDiscord        <GoodClover> *no data waiting to be read
15:38 vampirefrog      so I'd just be polling the socket basically?
15:38 vampirefrog      like, every few ms?
15:39 MTDiscord        <GoodClover> for luasocket specifically there's socket.select https://aiq0.github.io/luasocket/socket.html#select
15:39 vampirefrog      yes but select would block the thread
15:39 MTDiscord        <GoodClover> only if given a non-zero timeout
15:39 vampirefrog      okay
15:41 MTDiscord        <GoodClover> once you actually decide to read from the socket you should re-enable timeouts so you don't end up trying to read a request with only half the data available
15:41 MTDiscord        <GoodClover> *re-enable blocking timeouts
15:41 vampirefrog      I don't mind reading the data in chunks
15:42 vampirefrog      some requests are going to be too big for one read anyway
15:43 vampirefrog      would I have to use minetest.after() for each poll?
16:50 vampirefrog      not sure how to do zero timeout
17:50 mazes_84         Hi I'm trying to generate coredump, but total failure nothing gets dumped
17:51 mazes_84         ulimit are correct, coredumps enabled in kernel, minetest and irrlicht compiled with debug on
17:52 mazes_84         any hints on specifics extra steps for minetest
17:53 MTDiscord        <savilli> Maybe it just doesn't crash? XD
17:54 sfan5            do you see the segfault in dmesg?
17:54 mazes_84         Server[29201]: segfault at 5c0aeee0 ip 00007fbb85334be2 sp 00007fbb4b7f94b0 error 4
17:54 sfan5            and where are you looking for the coredump? it no longer just appears in the same folder like in the old days, systemd takes care of saving it these days
17:55 sfan5            (try coredumpctl list)
17:55 mazes_84         no systemd, pattern is set to core.%e.%t
17:55 sfan5            and lastly if all you want is a usable backtrace in case of crashes gdb can help https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/util/test_multiplayer.sh#L22-L24
17:56 mazes_84         ok I think I'll got this way
17:56 mazes_84         thanks
17:58 mazes_84         I always disable coredump from kernel usually, as at my first linux install dumps filled whole disk
17:59 mazes_84         those days disk were like 200MB, but my computer was far from this huge storage
18:11 milk             hello
18:14 MTDiscord        <ROllerozxa> hello
18:27 MinetestBot      02[git] 04Zughy -> 03minetest/minetest: Docs: add "flip moon texture" into breakage file (#12417) 13760242c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/760242c076921775733c3dd039d3aaabcc64125f (152022-08-14T18:25:52Z)
18:29 MinetestBot      02[git] 04lionkor -> 03minetest/minetest: Add handling of environment variables to control terminal/logging col… 132690585 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/2690585e992474cc458e274250c14b2a65a6b926 (152022-08-14T18:27:28Z)
18:29 MinetestBot      02[git] 04x2048 -> 03minetest/minetest: Limit force shadow update to urgent blocks (#12692) 13aa2fdc6 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/aa2fdc6ef6300f6b6683f96305bb1d9e63ba8ebb (152022-08-14T18:29:20Z)
18:30 definitelya_     GitHub can't handle this Minetest!
18:30 definitelya_     eheh
18:33 MTDiscord        <MilkJug> Are these pull requests from the main repo?
18:34 MTDiscord        <MisterE> Why isnt this working for setting param2 data? https://github.dev/MisterE123/wip_thing/blob/master/mods/SHIPGEN/nodepalettes/init.lua
18:35 definitelya_     ye, it says /minetest/minetest
18:36 sfan5            "if c_data == def.cid then" a table can't equal a number
18:36 definitelya_     Oh I need this actually!
18:36 MTDiscord        <MisterE> thank you!
18:37 sfan5            also doing a for loop over mapgen_nodes is inefficient
18:39 MTDiscord        <MisterE> then, what would be more efficient?
18:39 MTDiscord        <MisterE> I need to set the paramtype of many different types of nodes
18:40 sfan5            a table lookup
18:40 sfan5            where the content id is the key
18:41 MTDiscord        <MisterE> yay it works!
18:41 MTDiscord        <MisterE> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1008445272407416853/unknown.png
18:41 MTDiscord        <MisterE> oh, ok. I can do that
18:48 MTDiscord        <MisterE> sfan5: like that? https://github.dev/MisterE123/wip_thing/blob/master/mods/SHIPGEN/nodepalettes/init.lua
18:49 sfan5            you now have an efficient data structure and are still doing an inefficient for loop over it
18:50 MTDiscord        <MisterE> but... I need to perform the paramtype modification on any node in that table
18:50 MTDiscord        <MisterE> *every
18:52 MTDiscord        <MisterE> I need any node that is in that table to have the param2 set based on a custom mix of pre-defined noises (custom to each node type). If the generated node is found in that table, it needs modification
18:52 sfan5            how do you find an entry with a particular key in a table?
18:52 MTDiscord        <MisterE> OH!
18:54 MTDiscord        <MisterE> I understand now, thinking about how to implement
18:56 MTDiscord        <Bastrabun> What does this message in the log mean? 2022-08-14 14:39:43: VERBOSE[ConnectionSend]: con(4/1)Possible packet stall to peer id: 205 queued_commands=17400
18:58 Krock            it means that a client cannot handle the flood of packets that are waiting for them
19:00 MTDiscord        <MisterE> like that? (updated)
19:00 MTDiscord        <MisterE> yeah thats much more efficient
19:02 MTDiscord        <MisterE> how efficient is this param2 setting compared to a lua-only mapgen?
19:17 MTDiscord        <diceLibrarian> important question, what's the upper and lower bound for Z?
19:25 MTDiscord        <Bastrabun> So queued commands are a client side thing? Asking because my server has a couple of users, but sometimes we have odd lag episodes. We noticed when a client sent a chatmessage. He got his own chat message displayed only several seconds later, but the chatbridge (to discord and irc and whatnot) would send out immediately.
20:26 pumpkkin[m]1     hello
20:29 MisterE[m]       welcome pumpkkin !
20:29 diceLibrarian    welcome
20:29 diceLibrarian    what does the [m] mean?
20:30 MTDiscord        <GreenXenith> Matrix
20:30 diceLibrarian    ah
20:30 diceLibrarian    this means that because I'm connected through Konversation that I don't have that?
20:30 MTDiscord        <GreenXenith> Likely
20:32 pumpkkin[m]1     so up to how many players can Minetest servers support?
20:33 sfan5            the practical performance limit with the current engine is probably around 200
20:33 pumpkkin[m]1     nice
20:33 pumpkkin[m]1     i think the devil's game doesn't support even that many anymore
20:34 pumpkkin[m]1     * many anymore <spoiler>minecraft</spoiler>
20:34 MTDiscord        <GreenXenith> You can do many more with multiple servers joined together
20:34 pumpkkin[m]1     idk why that didnt work
20:35 diceLibrarian    IRC doesn't support html tags
20:35 MTDiscord        <GreenXenith> Which is how huge Minecraft servers work, and Minetest has a third party system for that too
20:35 MisterE[m]       unfortunately the proxy that connects multiple servers is stuck on minetest 5.4
20:35 MTDiscord        <GreenXenith> Though I dont think its ever been practically tested
20:35 MTDiscord        <GreenXenith> Ah, thats rough
20:35 pumpkkin[m]1     * <span data-mx-spoiler="i think, * many anymore">minecraft</span>
20:36 MisterE[m]       people have been asking the dev who maintains it to update it, but he hasnt
20:36 diceLibrarian    IRC doesn't support markup of any kind last I checked
20:36 pumpkkin[m]1     pumpkkin[m]1: guys i did it
20:36 pumpkkin[m]1     :>
20:36 diceLibrarian    my client just shows your markup tags
20:37 MisterE[m]       they also cant see the sad face emoji XD
20:37 pumpkkin[m]1     MisterE[m]: now that's just cruel
20:37 pumpkkin[m]1     is dice using IRC?
20:37 diceLibrarian    indeed
20:37 diceLibrarian    IRC Client known as Konversation
20:37 MisterE[m]       yes
20:37 MisterE[m]       it supports basic chat and in-text emojis only
20:38 pumpkkin[m]1     why is there no bot to let dice know of my emojis :<
20:38 diceLibrarian    yeah that's actually sad
20:38 pumpkkin[m]1     diceLibrarian: sounds like something out of Kubuntu
20:38 pumpkkin[m]1     like the Konsole
20:38 diceLibrarian    Kubuntu 21.04
20:38 diceLibrarian    actually 21.10
20:38 pumpkkin[m]1     u on kubuntu?
20:38 pumpkkin[m]1     im on lubuntu
20:38 diceLibrarian    indeed
20:38 pumpkkin[m]1     we're like cousins
20:38 diceLibrarian    I use kubuntu since it's not actually maintained by canonical
20:39 pumpkkin[m]1     idk what that is
20:39 diceLibrarian    lucky
20:40 pumpkkin[m]1     do we talk only about minetest here?
20:41 diceLibrarian    "General, player and modding discussion is on-topic. If in doubt, post here"
20:41 diceLibrarian    from the channel topic
20:42 rubenwardy       diceLibrarian: it does including strike out
20:42 diceLibrarian    nice bold
20:42 diceLibrarian    but the strikeout stuff shows up as boxes
20:44 pumpkkin[m]1     poor guy
20:44 pumpkkin[m]1     he got disconnect ig
20:44 diceLibrarian    nope
20:44 diceLibrarian    I recognize that
20:44 diceLibrarian    they closed their IRC client
20:45 pumpkkin[m]1     diceLibrarian: im not sure how im supposed to interpret that
20:45 diceLibrarian    an IRC client is a program you use to connect to IRC
20:46 MisterE[m]       slinks away in shame Re #minetest-dev
20:46 * diceLibrarian  complains about how kids these days don't know IRC from Usenet, but in a joking manner
21:34 pumpkkin[m]1     time to learn lua
21:34 pumpkkin[m]1     we aint getting anywhere without lua
21:38 pumpkkin[m]1     Ping timeout is what happens when we don't know lua
21:39 pumpkkin[m]1     * know lua (just a joke)
22:35 MTDiscord        <diceLibrarian> I have to make a choiche
23:34 vampirefrog      I managed to write the plugin
23:34 vampirefrog      mod*
23:34 vampirefrog      it just polls select() every ms
23:35 vampirefrog      I'm not sure how others mods do it, I'm looking at the IRC mod rn
23:35 vampirefrog      but it does work, it reads and writes chat messages
23:35 vampirefrog      including colors
23:35 vampirefrog      uses 0xFF and 0x00 as message start and end
23:54 vampirefrog      looks like the IRC mod uses minetest.register_globalstep()
23:56 vampirefrog      but the IRC submodule does a socket.sleep(0.1)
23:56 vampirefrog      which is weird