Time Nick Message 07:41 MAGNETAR Is there a known bug related to sneak-jump in 5.5.1? I was going to create an issue of it with some screen captures, but thought I'll ask first. 07:42 MAGNETAR When pressing (and holding) sneak and jump in a 2-node tall passage-way, the player continues to remain up and essentially levitate, until either sneak or jump is released. 07:53 MAGNETAR Drafting issue and posting it in about two hours. Please stop me from doing that if this is already a known bug. :) 07:53 MAGNETAR ...or if it isn't a bug at all... o_O 08:16 Calinou try reproducing it in an old version 08:17 Calinou also make sure to include screenshots of the kind of contraption needed to reproduce this :) 08:32 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Update credits tab 137c14b43 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7c14b434e04456034b0b3753d1963487d3952499 (152022-08-04T08:31:32Z) 08:32 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Improve look of credits list 13b91063d https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b91063daef8da79533a375e461cdeac8541ec0f2 (152022-08-04T08:31:32Z) 08:54 MAGNETAR Calinou: Will follow your suggestion 09:32 MAGNETAR Hello quick question. How do I find out my OGL version in MT? 09:33 MAGNETAR minetest --version doesn't show the OGL version either. 09:34 MAGNETAR I run MT in fullscreen, and I believe if I run it in windowed mode, the OGL version appears in the title bar (?). But I'd like to know the recommended way. :) 11:03 definitelya MAGNETAR: If you are on Linux ctrl + alt + D and check the Minetest element in the taskbar. 11:05 MAGNETAR definitelya: So the OGL version is displayed only on Linux? 11:05 MAGNETAR That's why I wasn't able to find it on Windows... :/ 11:06 definitelya No I think you can return to desktop on Windows as well, I just know about Linux. 11:09 MAGNETAR No, but it doesn't seem like the OGL version is shown in Windows, is what I was saying. :) 11:10 definitelya Interesting, you'd think they'd act the same way. 11:13 definitelya Ah, you need to be in-world for it to work, BTW. It doesn't show in the main menu. 11:14 definitelya s/for it to work/for it show up 11:15 MAGNETAR definitelya: Yes, that's exactly what I thought too. 11:31 Guest40 This useman guy is pushing his server with his own clients it's a unfair contest for the other server owners pls do something [usman.minecity.online, port 40000] 11:32 srifqi (At least in 5.5.0) you can find the active renderer's version in the About tab. 11:38 MTDiscord ….. 11:38 MTDiscord Don’t do anything 11:39 MTDiscord I will remove the 11:39 MTDiscord Things 11:39 MTDiscord sfan5: server list abuse, usman's server is pretty blatantly botting its playercount 11:39 MTDiscord I will remove it…. 11:39 MTDiscord Stan5 I will remove it 11:42 MTDiscord BTW some more explicitly stated terms of service for the server list really needs to be made, so it can be pointed to when things like this happen rather than relying on unspoken rules 11:42 MTDiscord (or common decency, which apparently is rare among the influx of MC community members) 11:43 MTDiscord > I'm relying on your common decency > So far, it hasn't surfaced but I'm sure it exists > It just take a while to travel from your head to your fist - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4 11:43 definitelya srifqi: Thanks! 11:45 ROllerozxa luatic: good music taste ;) 11:45 MTDiscord @osman. what's taking you so long? 11:45 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1004716728909049916/Bildschirmfoto_von_2022-08-04_13-44-34.png 11:45 MTDiscord Well there is a problem 11:46 MTDiscord oh the irony >honesty 11:46 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1004716855673507920/Bildschirmfoto_von_2022-08-04_13-45-13.png 11:46 MTDiscord The person who done it it’s not online 11:46 ROllerozxa kick the players 11:46 MTDiscord He’s online will be online in 5 mins so it will be gone in 5 mins 11:46 ROllerozxa you're the server owner right? 11:46 MTDiscord it's probably an engine mod 11:46 MTDiscord Yes 11:46 MTDiscord I will shutdown the server for now 11:47 MTDiscord or, you know, you could just get a fresh, unmodified build 11:47 MTDiscord There 11:47 MTDiscord I shutdown 11:47 MTDiscord Server will be back on when bots gone 11:49 MTDiscord I shutdown the server 11:49 MTDiscord Please don’t do anything now 12:00 MTDiscord Done it 12:03 sfan5 ? 12:05 MTDiscord I remove the bots 12:07 MTDiscord Stan5 12:07 MTDiscord ……. 12:08 definitelya Stan5 12:18 rubenwardy stan4 sfan5 12:24 MTDiscord sfan5: osman was using bots to boost his serverlist rating 12:33 MTDiscord I remove it 12:33 MTDiscord I removed it… 13:14 MTDiscord New headcanon: stan5 13:29 MTDiscord is the missing n intentional or a typo? 13:30 MTDiscord That's why I used the past tense: Osman was using bots, not Osman is using bots. 13:30 MTDiscord (past progressive to be precise) 15:26 Guest94 hi 16:34 Soni minetest can't do this https://modrinth.com/mod/friendcode 16:39 Oblomov why would minetest do that? 16:40 MTDiscord It avoids opening a port on your router if I understand it correctly. 16:40 MTDiscord but… you need to set up a "SAM bridge" 16:43 Oblomov yeah because I'm trusting an external service to reverse tunnel through my firewall's router 16:43 Oblomov what happened to upnp? 16:43 Oblomov (btw, I wonder if minetest supports upnp to open/close the router port(s) as needed?) 16:47 MTDiscord looks like SAM is just another protocol on top of I2P… p2p rendezvous stuff if magic to me but I don't think any external service is being used here 16:48 MTDiscord would that work over CGNAT though? in some places even fiber optic is under CGNAT because there's not enough public IPv4 to assign to the individual internet subscriber 16:48 MTDiscord Tbh the external service would be a nice option for users who aren't able to do the port forward thing, and I've considered building similar tools myself. 16:49 jaydemir does anyone know of a way I can get gamepad support? I've been wanting to hook up minetest to a family TV for the kiddo but a keyboard and mouse is a bit cumbersome for the setup 16:49 MTDiscord People stuck behind CGNAT right now either need to use a public overlay network like yggdrasil, with all the drawbacks that entails, or they need a generous friend with a VPS who can setup a reverse tunnel for them ... but all of that requires quite some technical know-how. 16:49 MTDiscord Ideally something like WebRTC could be used to establish peer-to-peer connections automatically 16:49 MTDiscord jaydemir: antimicrox is what I use to get gamepad support. 16:50 Oblomov would be nice if MT had better gamepad support built in though 16:50 MTDiscord Could be nice, if it's done well enough, yeah... 16:50 Oblomov I saw something about that for the steamdeck iirc? 16:54 Soni yes i2p works over symmetric NAT/CGNAT 16:54 Soni it's a STUN+TURN p2p network 16:54 Soni in fact CGNAT support is the selling point 16:55 jaydemir looking up antimicrox, looks promising. Is this something I can enable/disable as needed? 16:57 Soni you can also just embed i2p but that's more effort than a game jam allows 16:57 rubenwardy If you use steam, another option is to add Minetest as a non steam game and then use steam input for controller bindings 16:58 jaydemir I wouldnt use steam on a family machine like that but that is a really good suggestion otherwise 17:10 MTDiscord My solution for antimicrox only while running MT is just to launch both from a script, and kill antimicrox when MT exits. Not the most elegant, but it works. 17:17 phillw Hi good people, it is a few years since I ran a minecraft / minetest server instance. One of the guys who runs tutorial series at local schools and libraries has asked if I would do so again. I'm told it will need approx 4GB RAM, I think 50GB HDD should be enough which then leaves the question of how many CPU cores? It will be running on a Debian 11 instance on a Intel Xeon E5-1620v2 CPU the server is on a 500Mb/s link, so I do not see 17:17 phillw that as an issue as my 1st one was running on a 100 Mb/s link. 17:24 phillw If the RAM / HDD space needs to be adjusted, please do say. It is going to be running as a KVM on one of my 'Daddy' servers 17:24 MTDiscord In my experience, a Minetest server tends to need more than 1, but not more than 2, cores. 17:25 MTDiscord One core to run the heavyweight "main thread", and a second for the less loaded threads, and the rest of the operating system overhead, to spill over into. 17:26 phillw MTDiscord: thanks, sounds about right, I run Tor relays, and they get 2 cores each.. one for main job and a share of another for other 'stuff' :) 17:26 MTDiscord If you can double that RAM it might help; I rarely hear of people running anything on <8 these days, so 4GB is sort of unknown territory.. 17:28 phillw I can allocate it 8G, KVM treats things as maximum. I don't like to over allocate on my servers - unlike some well known companies. 17:28 phillw one of the instances has 8G ... never used more than 2G :) 17:30 phillw that's a tutorial system BBB (GDPR compliant TeamTalk/Zoom) 17:30 MTDiscord A ton of minetest's performance and resource needs will depend on factors like which game/mods you run, how many players you have, some configuration stuff, and the play-style of your players, so the best thing to do is to measure it and adjust according to need as time goes on, and pay attention to trends. What you've got now sounds like a good starting point though. 17:31 phillw MTDiscord: I've no idea how often they will destroy it to teach installation. 17:31 phillw Or, if they want to keep it long term. 17:32 MTDiscord Ah, if that's the case then long-term trends might become nice and flat :-) 17:32 phillw I am the sysadmin for servers, the projects that we have under the tuxiversity banner is looked after by those guys. 17:41 phillw MTDiscord: disk space? 17:42 phillw 50 GB or 100 GB ? 17:47 MTDiscord I think some of the longest-lived and largest MT public servers are in the 100G range, so 50G would be more appropriate for shorter-term or purpose-specific projects that you don't expect to accumulate much over time. 17:48 MTDiscord Either way, it'd be better to expand as needed than to have to over-allocate at the beginning. 17:50 phillw MTDiscord: I am on 2TB, 4TB and 6TB HDD's... 100 GB is not a problem :) 17:50 phillw re-allocating is more work. 17:51 MTDiscord I'm used to running MT out of docker containers rather than like VMs, so it just uses the host disk without quota. I haven't had to worry about disk space that way. 17:54 phillw MTDiscord: we have lvresize as all my Disks run under LVM. I have used KVM since long before docker existed. 17:57 phillw there is the commercial version... and people actually use it!!!!! 17:58 phillw virtual box, IIRC 18:00 phillw a KVM is a little server. Totally looking after itself. I can add / remove things just as you can with pure hardware. It is as close to hardware as you can get as it runs directly from the kernel 18:01 phillw as we call it.... bare metal :) 18:19 MTDiscord Not saying a higher-isolation virtualization system is a wrong solution, it's just not one I'm as familiar with, an so I forget the ins and outs of designing a solution with it. There are certain overhead costs to systems closer to the bare-metal end of the spectrum, but sometimes the improved isolation they buy you is worth it. 18:20 MTDiscord I tend to run docker containers inside non-dedicated VPS hosting, myself, so definitely at the low-cost, low-isolation end of the spectrum :-) 18:25 phillw MTDiscord: VPS are the ones I didn't say overcommit resources. I do rent mt servers, but they are bare metal and run the OS that I put on. I also book 16 x ipV4 addresses for the KVMs. Those ipV4's are *just* for that KVM... no sharing. We had an instance today where the ISP for one of the guys allocated him an ipV4 that was blacklisted.... WTH???!!!! do these companies not check their own allocations? 18:28 phillw MTDiscord: we do have resources, so if you want pop onto #tuxiversity I can have a look at what we have available. 18:30 MTDiscord ah, you mean hop on IRC? 18:30 phillw yup 18:30 Warr1024 heh, I do keep forgetting I have a client connected here too :-) 18:31 phillw *here, as well :) ... tut tut 18:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rollerozxa -> 03minetest/minetest: Disable dynamic shadow dropdown on OGLES2 (#12637) 13eb49b6d https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/eb49b6d85cf9ba59da2321d7fe593986b2f1610f (152022-08-04T18:42:43Z) 20:12 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Bump version to 5.6.0 13b5e1296 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b5e129685a54703bcdc63ee113c65ae8a9b1b32d (152022-08-04T19:02:47Z) 20:12 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Continue with 5.7.0-dev 132446ea5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/2446ea5533c6d25050c64b2dbf306667fd5277ea (152022-08-04T19:02:59Z) 20:19 sfan5 Minetest 5.6.0 has just been released >>> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=28511 20:25 MTDiscord Yay! 20:25 MTDiscord the post says 5.5.0 on my side 20:25 MTDiscord Congrats for all the team involved ? 20:45 sfan5 aaaa 20:47 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Bump protocol version 13c427787 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/c4277877b6a18939904900440b5e4accd69b11a8 (152022-08-04T20:45:52Z) 20:55 MTDiscord Woops... But congrats anyway! 20:56 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Bump version to 5.6.0 1353dd648 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/53dd648c96b899b706f30de656896713d7e8ff08 (152022-08-04T20:46:00Z) 20:56 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Continue with 5.7.0-dev 13ec77850 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ec778508df3fc773367a7b2e2b0db100cc97983f (152022-08-04T20:46:02Z) 20:56 sfan5 for real now 21:05 Guest15 Listen I'm gonna fucking loose it 21:06 Guest15 Let me make a fucking account on the forum and send me a activation gmail for God fucking sake 21:07 MTDiscord that's not a constructive way to get your account activated 21:08 Noisytoot They quit 21:09 sfan5 lets see 21:12 ROllerozxa I don't think they understand how IRC message history works lol 21:16 sfan5 if someone could test the macOS build and say whether it works that'd be good 21:28 sami_ At least they come to this IRC channel and don't just turn away from it because "irc is obsolete and outdated, lol" 21:29 sami_ Maybe Gmail is refusing to receive messages from the SMTP server that the Minetest forum uses to send messages 23:01 rubenwardy https://blog.minetest.net/2022/08/04/5.6.0-released/