Time Nick Message 00:07 erle does anyone know if this has been done in minetest already? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton%27s_loops 11:49 MiniontobyPI Hey guys 11:49 MiniontobyPI Idk if you guys know... 11:49 MiniontobyPI But my mobile version doesn´t load at the media par 11:49 MiniontobyPI *part 11:50 MiniontobyPI so i went into the debug logs 11:50 MiniontobyPI WARNING[ConnectionSend]: conn(78/1) Packet quota used up for peer_id=2, was 1024pkts 11:50 MiniontobyPI Does anyone know how to fix this? 11:52 MTDiscord Packet quota is per-step, I think. Are you getting very slow server steps so work is building up on it? 11:52 MiniontobyPI It doesnt let me go into signle player and also not into server 11:53 MiniontobyPI 11:53 MiniontobyPI idk what it might be, warr1024 11:53 MTDiscord Yeah, I knew that the packet quota existed, but I've never seen it actually visibly affect something before. 11:54 MiniontobyPI Yeah look it starte accuring on my new phone 11:54 MiniontobyPI my old one was older Android so i dont know why it happens with a ´newer´ Adroid (version 8 it has) 11:55 MiniontobyPI it has the oreo version 12:56 sfan5 MiniontobyPI: known issue 12:56 MiniontobyPI Oke 12:57 MiniontobyPI but how to fix 12:57 sfan5 nobody knows 12:57 sfan5 so far 12:58 sfan5 you can try installing the armeabi-v7a APK from the releases, we guess that is less/not affected by the issue 13:00 MiniontobyPI Uhmm I cannot really instal apk´s that easy 13:13 settl3r[m] Is the mod AliveAI working stable with MT-5.5.1 without crashing games after one invested days into them? 15:05 sfan5 it's amazing how much you can ruin responsiveness by writing one slow on_generated callback 15:14 rubenwardy working on async on_generated? 15:16 sfan5 no 15:16 sfan5 a game 15:16 rubenwardy that's cool too 15:31 sfan5 get_perlin_map works wonders here, now the runtime is a constant ~13ms instead of highly variable 8 to 200ms 15:33 sfan5 wait I lied, wrong measuring points 15:33 sfan5 it's now down to 90-120ms instead 15:34 MTDiscord What game? 15:34 sfan5 secret and unreleased ;) 15:34 sfan5 but you have definitely seen it before 15:42 MTDiscord Hmm 15:46 rubenwardy Mineclone100 confirmed 17:22 Calinou Mineclone3 would already be an achievement, it'd beat Valve 17:23 MTDiscord they skipped mineclone3 and mineclone4 in favour of mineclone5 17:23 Calinou ah, I didn't follow 17:26 definitelya Mineclonia = Half Life: Alyx 17:28 Pexin please tell me someone has at some point built the entire HL1 map in minetest 17:33 definitelya Pexin: If someone made a texture pack for it, it'd maybe happen. 17:45 independent56 What's the opposite of //hide? what's the opposite of //highlight? 17:59 sfan5 '//resture' undoes both //hide, //suppress and //highlight 18:03 independent56 Thanks 18:03 independent56 And i think you mean "//restore" 18:04 sfan5 I do 18:11 sfan5 the entity property documentation is a special kind of useless 18:12 sfan5 it says "physical = true", surely that would be the default value? 18:12 sfan5 nope 18:12 sfan5 makes me wonder what other parts of the table are just randomly made up instead of reflecting defaults 18:13 erle suffering from the documentation as the commoners are is the first step to improving it ig 18:13 erle it takes you one step closer to sharing the pain with the game devs ;) 18:15 MTDiscord https://github.com/minetest/minetest_docs/blob/master/doc/object_properties.adoc#physical is wrong too I guess, oof 18:16 erle luatic and git blame says it is your fault hehe 18:16 erle maybe this should really be generated from the code or so 18:28 sfan5 visual_size scales relative to the center and not the bottom aaaaaaaaaaaa 18:28 sfan5 understandable but annoying 18:39 erle sfan5 when is your game going to come out? 18:39 sfan5 at the current pace, next week 18:39 erle visual_size scale relative to the bottom would be fucking annoying tbh 18:40 sfan5 this entity walks on the ground and I wanted to make it smaller without making it fly 18:40 erle i see. well, mcl games just have baby versions for that kind of thing. though i think slimes have only 3 sizes and everything else has either 1 or 2 (adult and baby). 18:40 definitelya xD 18:41 erle so if you want gradual shrinking, i see how you can want bottom growth instead of center growth 18:41 definitelya That's how you make pixies and stuff. 18:42 erle definitelya, those pixies with the swords are so damn mean 18:43 definitelya Oh yeah, they have hacks. 18:43 erle once an admin spawned them on clamity and they killed cora (who, you know, has a client with “goddess mode” and stuff) 18:43 erle next time i saw the admin spawning them i fired several arrows of harming in the general direction 18:44 erle they hit hehe 18:44 erle and i was told i “can't keep doing that” ;) 18:46 erle anyways, shooting arrows at server admins is a good way to get them to drop rare items 18:46 erle just make sure that if you take aim at the king, you better not miss 18:55 independent56 What subjects have Minetest given you the biggest lessons in? For me it's sysadmin tasks and some programming. Maybe a little of public transport. 19:02 rubenwardy patience 19:08 definitelya erle: You must have only met mature and level-headed admins then. ;) 19:08 definitelya independent56: blocky art! 19:08 independent56 That's a good one 19:09 Pexin independent56: using github X( 19:09 independent56 Ahah thats even better 19:09 definitelya :o 19:12 Pexin a/3 19:15 erle definitelya admins of anarchy servers are usually either really nice or total assholes, but they won't usually ban people for things that are not in the rules so killing admins is on the menu 19:16 erle independent56 the biggest lesson i have gotten from minetest is that if you report a bug and an obvious but wrong bugfix exists, the correct patch will only be applied if you either annoy the devs to no end or provide it yourself with the bugreport (and sometimes not even then). 19:17 erle i have only noticed it in minetest and associated projects like mineclone2, but since then i can't unsee it happening everywhere 19:17 independent56 Technically, if a server has no rues, then there are no rules stopping the admin for banning people for any reasonthey like 19:17 erle a lot of projects chase their local maxima 19:18 erle instead of fixing fundamental issues 19:18 erle because most of the time, it is not even wrong! 19:18 erle you get the most bang for the buck 19:18 erle with small incremental improvements 19:19 erle however, it creates perverse incentives if creeping closer to the local maximum is actually the wrong course of action, since it is incredibly hard to convince people who do not understand an issue fully that something that provably makes a server not crash is ultimately the wrong thing. 19:21 erle the two pieces of avice i took from that are: 19:21 erle 1. if you are really sure there exists an easy and wrong-but-not-obviously-wrong solution and a not-so-easy-but-correct solution, do not file the bug unless you can provide the solution. 19:22 erle 2. it is better to provide as many different ways to break something as possible than just one, because that prevents developers from simply fixing one case and then calling it solved. 20:41 sfan5 here's another funny one: 'hp_max' is documented as being for players only but it is read for entities too 21:18 MTDiscord that's the case for practically all props 21:18 MTDiscord some are documented as player-only but all are read by both 21:19 sfan5 you are reading (hah) that to literally 21:19 sfan5 it is not only ready but only used 21:19 sfan5 the documentation says the opposite 21:19 sfan5 too* 21:19 sfan5 s/ready/read/ 21:19 sfan5 in somewhat related news I type 'lcoal' way too often when programming Lua 21:19 MTDiscord mhm coal 21:20 MTDiscord are there no editors with a fix word permutation functionality :P 21:21 sfan5 probably 21:43 settl3r[m] A player found uranium below -2km on a public server, and the debug info said 'technic_uranium', so that ore can be generated much deeper than just -300m.. and the server admin said they used default configuration (they didn't change any mods yet). 21:44 independent56 https://i.imgur.com/jGXohP4.png https://i.imgur.com/EESBgtD.png https://i.imgur.com/QLU6ldW.png What is your first impression of this interchange? Spaghetti? 22:41 MinetestBot 02[git] 04TurkeyMcMac -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix LBM docs 13ba65e0a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ba65e0ace76dc39dab15b70725cafc629d165e7f (152022-06-10T22:41:26Z)