Time Nick Message 12:55 MinetestBot 02[git] 04appgurueu -> 03minetest/minetest_game: `game.conf`: Use title instead of deprecated name 1333650c8 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/33650c8c2e2507fe54f651ed9ee9a51851c5517e (152022-05-24T12:55:10Z) 15:59 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Fix TNT blowing up ignore nodes 13b0cf061 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/b0cf06136013aa1cd9cee92747071c4dd4ac17fd (152022-05-24T15:57:37Z) 20:08 erle ROllerozxa why have you made the “chest with everything” so infuriating 20:08 erle ROllerozxa if it says “everything” i kinda expect it to contain everything, you know 20:13 erle ROllerozxa, your mod should be called “chest with something” 20:14 MTDiscord not_in_creative… usually implies it's either a) something you don't want people to access without explicit reasoning (debug tool etc) or b) some form of internal block/item 20:15 MTDiscord not sure why you'd want them readily accessible 20:15 MTDiscord an option to enable it would be nice though 20:17 MTDiscord hmm maybe a seperate tab or something to keep them distinct? 20:18 MTDiscord "an option to enable it would be nice though" there literally is 20:18 MTDiscord ah, from the two negative replies I assumed there wasn't 20:18 MTDiscord *reviews 20:18 MTDiscord If there's an option they make even less sense 20:19 MTDiscord wuzzy's review was before I implemented it, erlehmann's review is just sulking over defaults 20:20 MTDiscord guess I'll write a review, it's quite useful 20:21 rubenwardy The real question is: does the chest of everything contain itself? 20:22 MTDiscord it does 20:23 MTDiscord also it is now the lowest rated mod on contentdb... race to the bottom, counts for something I guess :D 20:25 erle GoodClover “Lightweight and game-agnostic mod which adds a chest node containing every single node, item and tool registered inside.”, that's just a straight up lie. i wanted to use this for development and because i installed it from the ingame menu, it took me finding that setting at some point to actually make it contain all items. 20:26 erle anyway, the question was: do i recommend this? and the answer is “no, because it is useless in its default state and if the setting was the other way by default, there would be two upvotes instead of two downvotes” 20:26 MTDiscord READMEs exist for reasons 20:27 erle look, if someone calls something “chest with everything”, my first idea was “cool, i can use this to have easy access to the stuff not in creative inventory” 20:27 MTDiscord erle: that description you wrote is literally the long-form description on CDB, if you had continued reading you would have seen the second paragraph that goes over this 20:28 erle ROllerozxa oh yeah? maybe it took me noticing that the stuff does NOT contain indeed everything until i started to pay attention and read. 20:28 erle you are misleading people. only a bit, but you are. 20:28 erle also we already *have* a creative inventory 20:28 erle in many games 20:28 erle maybe not in nodecore or so 20:28 MTDiscord oh boy how will I be able to sleep tonight knowing I am misleading people 20:29 erle i don't want to tell you that you are an evil person, i want to tell you that you can improve your UX a bit by flipping that switch 20:29 erle i'll 100% recommend your mod if it by default, indeed, contains everything 20:29 MTDiscord "useless in its default state", not providing access to items which mod explicitly request not be easily accessible is a very sensible default. 20:29 MTDiscord to me it seems like you're just annoyed by the name, jumping into mods without reading descriptions is your own fault imo 20:29 erle ingame download interface does not show the descriptions 20:29 MTDiscord there's a button to open them 20:29 erle look, the setting is there and it is documented 20:30 erle i acknowledge that 20:30 erle the problem is that it was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “beware of the oerkki“ 20:33 MTDiscord in my defense the oerkki is friendly and only wants a hug 20:38 erle ROllerozxa btw, what did you make it for, given that a creative inventory exists in many games? like, for a minigame or so? 20:39 erle ROllerozxa so what would you call a mod that actually contains everything? 20:40 erle don't say “chest of everything 2” 20:40 rubenwardy chest_of_everything_but_4real 20:41 erle ; minetest-servers mods |grep everything 20:41 erle oy.edgy1.net:30422 mcl_chest_of_everything 20:41 erle hahaha 20:41 erle that one does, actually, contain everything 20:41 MTDiscord chest with everything redo 20:41 erle which is super frustrating because so many banner variations i added in to act as preview images for the mcl banners 20:41 MTDiscord jokes aside I made it for games that do not have a creative inventory... or where it is not readily accessible, whether it be in singleplayer or multiplayer 20:42 MTDiscord oh and for grabbing items and nodes in games made from scratch that do not have a creative inventory at all 20:42 erle i see 20:42 MTDiscord in either cases I do not find the items in the not_in_creative group useful and only clutter it up 20:42 erle but why did you add the creative inventory restriction then? i mean, given that those games don't have one and also that it definitely makes the “everything” a lie. 20:43 erle oh 20:43 erle i see 20:43 erle “to reduce clutter” 20:43 erle if you point it like that, that's actually a quite common reason for making stuff that has an “advanced” setting to show more details in UI 20:43 erle i have seen it so often (and i am not fond of it) 20:44 erle ROllerozxa i think it could be better if you had a checkbox in the formspec or some form of flitering 20:44 erle ROllerozxa, or if you had two things, the chest with everything and the chest with something 20:44 erle but i guess you won't change it 20:44 rubenwardy if this is aimed at players then having a checkbox isn't a good idea 20:45 erle i thought it was aimed at developers 20:45 erle which is also why i was so confused and then irritated 20:45 definitelya erle: By your logic, all mods that are not in games already are pointless. I disagree, as this isn't a universal game engine. 20:45 erle (becuase i have a creative inventory) 20:45 erle definitelya uh what do you mean 20:45 definitelya You can mod the engine and be merry lol. 20:46 erle look, my only gripe is with the title being a lie. if it was called “chest with almost everything” i would not have tried it even. 20:46 erle it's a bait-and-switch 20:46 erle which is bad UX 20:46 erle that's all 20:46 erle the mod is fine 20:46 erle and i totally understand why ROllerozxa did it like that 20:46 erle (now, after the explanation) 20:46 definitelya You asked what he made it for, and I think it's clear it was to allow more standardized use of the chest with everything, I guess. 20:47 definitelya Oh oks 20:48 erle what i take away from this is that mod names are no more than some string for compatibility reasons. i could literally make a “chest with nothing” and put only items in that are not in creative and have an option that makes it *actually* contain nothing (but not activate it by default) and it would probably be approved ig. 20:48 erle that's a good thing to learn, even if i obviously have no interest to make such a mod 20:59 MTDiscord A name's first goal supposed to be short & memorable. For most mods on CDB it'd be hard to figure out it's exact features from it's name. 21:00 MTDiscord You don't put the entire story in the title. 21:01 MTDiscord *goal is to be 21:02 MTDiscord I don't quite understand your reasoning behind "everything" also containing items supposed to be unobtainable in normal play? 21:03 MTDiscord Literally, yes that makes sense. But name's aren't the right place for pedantic details. 21:19 erle well, i will be buying some textures from a photoshop 21:19 erle because that is what the program is for, right? 21:21 erle GoodCover i am outraged, i just learned that the vine app does not help with my gardening 23:16 erle luatic how did you run into this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11931 23:18 erle haha someone found a smart lifehack to get rid of negative reviews 23:20 erle i mean that's probably not the intended effect, but https://content.minetest.net/packages/GiulioLuizValcanaia/formula/ got renamed to https://content.minetest.net/packages/GiulioLuizValcanaia/mathblocks/ 23:22 MTDiscord i knew that looked sus 23:22 MTDiscord but i couldnt place it or find it 23:45 erle https://github.com/Giulio-Luiz-Valcanaia/fomulas/blob/main/init.lua vs https://github.com/Giulio-Luiz-Valcanaia/mathblocks/blob/main/init.lua 23:45 erle i'd say it's just someone who's just starting modding