Time Nick Message 00:00 settl3r[m] But, my idea was to use the (former) main char (who built the travelnets) as the gatekeeper, who removes the station B, when it is not needed and only puts it back, when my (new) main char wants to mine near station B. 00:00 settl3r[m] so the station B will only be there, shortly before/after a travel. 00:00 MTDiscord Is there any reason to believe that the secrecy of the location is not already sufficient to protect this thing? 00:01 MTDiscord It seems like the game is designed to force you to assume at least some risk... 00:02 settl3r[m] the problem is, that there is a render-glitch which sometimes enables players to "see through walls".. 00:02 settl3r[m] therefore, no underground location is 100% secret :( 00:02 settl3r[m] i read/heard that it's a engine issue 00:02 settl3r[m] s/a/an/ 00:04 MTDiscord Right, if you have anything interesting enough going on down there, then you'll have to coat the place with protection blocks if you want to protect it, or just hope that nobody is glitching around in the area. 00:04 MTDiscord You could try the alt thing I guess, subject to whatever rules apply on that server, and it might work, might not, who knows. 00:06 MTDiscord I run some NodeCore servers, and as far as I can tell all the ones out there use You Can't Take It With You, which isn't a part of the base game yet but probably will be, and that prevents players from taking their inventory with them when they leave the game. 00:06 settl3r[m] (the idea with the protected walls was for the short time i need to switch between characters, i planned to use locked iron doors with heavy walls of eg. granite etc.) 00:07 settl3r[m] * iron doors in combination with heavy 00:08 settl3r[m] oh, that would be a bad change :/ 00:08 settl3r[m] how would i protect travelnets then? 00:08 settl3r[m] i hope it will never be the default option. 00:08 settl3r[m] s/be/become/ 00:09 settl3r[m] * i hope it will never become the default, but stay optional. 00:09 MTDiscord Dunno, it probably doesn't affect you in the MTG world, unless somebody decides to start taking some ideas from nodecore for it. 00:11 settl3r[m] As long as "You yan't take it with you" will not become the mainline way of gameplay for the future versions of MT, I'm happy. 00:11 settl3r[m] (or at least not activated by default) 00:11 settl3r[m] s/yan/can/ 00:12 MTDiscord MT is moving away from having a single "mainline"/"default" form of gameplay. 00:12 MTDiscord Somebody just needs to do the work on the main menu necessary to make player game choice an obvious reality. 00:14 settl3r[m] oh, a completely unrelated question: Can sulfur only be found near lava lakes? 00:14 settl3r[m] (i need it for batteries) 00:14 MTDiscord (someone else will have to answer that one) 00:14 settl3r[m] * for batteries, and copper is to expensive) 00:16 settl3r[m] have you ever played technic mod MT? 00:17 settl3r[m] * mod MT? (it's awesome) 00:25 settl3r[m] * for batteries, and copper is too expensive) 02:57 MTDiscord anyone feel like playing minigames on A.E.S. ? I want to play a bit before bed. 04:03 MTDiscord Rip 06:59 erle settl3r[m] do NOT use captchas 07:00 erle settl3r[m] the easiest way to figure out if someone is using a cheat is to think about the effects 07:01 erle settl3r[m] like, spawn an invisible entity close to them and see if they hit it several times in a row 07:01 erle settl3r[m] or kick players who punch faster than humanly possible 07:02 erle or who dig faster 07:03 erle settl3r[m] in general, you will have no luck in trying to figure out if someone uses CSMs if they don't want you to. but waspsaliva explicltly sends a special thing so admins can ban it. 07:04 erle settl3r[m] this is not a reaction to legitimate concerns but to idiots who brigaded dragonfire and waspsaliva with “delete this project, it allows cheating”. 07:05 erle settl3r[m] in general, normal cheating will be mostly flying and noclip, which is trivial to a) implement b) detect 07:06 erle settl3r[m] for flying, DO NOT do the thing where you kick or ban people if they are hovering in the air above some nodes. they might stand on top of an entity. 07:07 erle settl3r[m] in the absence of jetpack mods or so, you can try the “is the player accellerating or having the same speed upwards for more than half a second or so” trick 12:16 dok hi o/ 12:25 MTDiscord erle: flying and noclip aren't trivial to detect. 12:25 MTDiscord you're literally explaining it yourself xD 12:25 MTDiscord (source: I have considered writing anticheat mods for these) 12:43 Andrew (Test) 12:46 Andrew Where specifically is this channel relayed to by MTDiscord? 12:48 MTDiscord right here 12:49 settl3r[m] ..which is .. ? 12:49 settl3r[m] pls ^^ 12:49 MTDiscord minetest discors 12:49 MTDiscord *discord 12:49 settl3r[m] ah "Minetest" ? 12:49 settl3r[m] k 12:50 MTDiscord yeah, there's a category with all IRC channels bridged in the minetest server 12:50 MTDiscord discord.gg/minetest I believe ... same discord as on minetest.net 12:51 settl3r[m] ok. 12:51 settl3r[m] Are lava flans dangerous to fight? 12:51 settl3r[m] * lava flans (monsters) dangerous to 12:51 MTDiscord you need to be lurker rank to view and message in the IRC channels though unfortunately... should be at least viewable for lower ranked members tbh 12:51 settl3r[m] (found a lava lake, but is guarded by a flan) 12:52 erle settl3r[m] do not step in lava 12:52 erle staceee you will be kill 12:52 settl3r[m] ik 12:52 settl3r[m] but i need to make obsidian 12:52 settl3r[m] flan is curious for me though ^^ 12:52 staceee erle: ? 12:53 erle staceee sorry, it was for settl3r[m] 12:53 erle staceee it was wrong autocomplete 12:53 staceee aha np 12:53 erle staceee i wanted to tell settl3r[m] “do not step in lava – you will be killed” 12:53 erle lava is dangerous 12:53 MTDiscord The thing about the ranks necessary to access stuff is (1) we need to limit the damage that spammers can cause, and rank is one of the best mechanisms we have for screening them, and (2) Discord's permission system is inflexible and prevents us from being able to implement ideal policies. 12:53 erle unless you have anti fire potion 12:53 staceee without context that was crazy and fearfull :D 12:53 erle staceee i apologize! 12:54 erle staceee please forgive me 12:54 staceee Okay okay I do O:) 12:54 erle thx 12:54 MTDiscord lava flan doesn't sound particularly dangerous unless you have allergies to milk, eggs, or lava. 12:54 erle staceee but also, same advice, do not step in lava! 12:54 settl3r[m] erle, everybody knows about danger of lava. 12:54 settl3r[m] my question was about the lava mob 12:54 staceee I'll try to remember that 12:54 Andrew <@497185827797860353> I'd say that most Discord administrators are afraid of IRC spam lol 12:54 MTDiscord It's basically the same ingredients in a lava cake, so if you've ever had one of those you should be fine... 12:54 settl3r[m] *"The floor is lava."* 12:55 mmuller I lova lava pastries 12:55 settl3r[m] so.. is the lava monster pretty harmless? 12:55 settl3r[m] (i have a mithril sword and iron armor) 12:56 settl3r[m] and a water bucket 12:56 settl3r[m] * and a water bucket 12:56 settl3r[m] and crossbow 12:57 MTDiscord Might be harmful to your player character 12:57 MTDiscord IRL I think not many people are allergic to lava, but in-game it seems player characters have pretty bad reactions to it. 12:58 MTDiscord They break out in a burning rash. 12:58 erle ¿5m 12:58 erle sorry, keyboard fell over 12:59 settl3r[m] ok i try to keep 5m distance from it 12:59 Andrew ¡ʎɐʎ 'ɹǝʌo ןןǝɟ osןɐ pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ʎW 13:00 settl3r[m] what is the sixth slot of 3D armor used for? 13:00 Andrew settl3r[m]: On Blocky Survival, bracers 13:00 settl3r[m] (i have 4-part armor + shield) 13:00 MTDiscord https://xkcd.com/237/ 13:00 MTDiscord get a laptop then. 13:01 MTDiscord what, do laptops not have keyboards? 13:01 MTDiscord I use laptops almost exclusively these days. Same disgusting keyboards, but you can't run them through the dishwasher anymore. 13:01 MTDiscord builtin keyboards 13:01 erle i use a laptop 13:01 erle with an external keyboard 13:01 MTDiscord GSurrounder: they'll still get grimey and disgusting 13:02 MTDiscord and it'll of course be harder to clean them 13:02 MTDiscord yeah 13:02 settl3r[m] *"booze is the enemy of wisdom."* 13:02 settl3r[m] (lol) 13:02 settl3r[m] * (micro-lol) 13:03 MTDiscord * (giga-lol) 13:03 settl3r[m] omega lul ^^ 13:03 settl3r[m] kek = lel ? 13:04 MTDiscord is one µlol equivalent to one pico-LMAO? 13:05 MTDiscord the average human accumulates 300 gigalolhours each year 13:05 MTDiscord LOL, or lol, is an initialism for laughing out loud1[3] and a popular element of Internet slang. It was first used almost exclusively on Usenet, but has since become widespread in other forms of computer-mediated communication and even face-to-face communication. It is one of many initialisms for expressing bodily reactions, in particular laughter, as text, including initialisms for more emphatic expressions of laughter such as LMAO[4] 13:05 MTDiscord ("laughing my ass off") and ROFL5[7] or ROTFL8 ("rolling on the floor laughing"). Other unrelated expansions include the now mostly obsolete "lots of luck" or "lots of love" used in letter-writing.[10] 13:06 MTDiscord The list of acronyms "grows by the month" (said Peter Hershock in 2003),[6] and they are collected along with emoticons and smileys into folk dictionaries that are circulated informally amongst users of Usenet, IRC, and other forms of (textual) computer-mediated communication.[11] These initialisms are controversial, and several authors1214 recommend against their use, either in general or in specific contexts such as business 13:06 MTDiscord communications. The Oxford English Dictionary first listed LOL in March 2011.[16] 13:06 MTDiscord > the oxford english dictionary first listed LOL in March 2011 13:06 erle LOL 13:07 MTDiscord LOL 13:07 MTDiscord I didn’t even have a computer at that time 13:07 MTDiscord god who writes lol capitalised nowadays 13:07 erle definitelya btw these were the maps i was talking about https://mister-muffin.de/p/YDsb 13:09 MTDiscord LOL is if you scream, whereas lol is moderate, loud laughter. 13:09 definitelya erle: That looks pretty detailed, nice. 13:10 MTDiscord random question: which programming socks yall use? 13:10 MTDiscord uwo? 13:13 Andrew programming *socks*? 13:13 MTDiscord yeah 13:14 MTDiscord owu 13:15 settl3r[m] so generation-lol kids are now teens? 13:15 settl3r[m] btw what is the meaning of pog? 42? 13:15 definitelya GSurrounder: Only ones which can't be punctured by bees, a'course. 13:15 MTDiscord pog supposedly signifies excitement 13:15 MTDiscord https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pog 13:16 erle Andrew programming socks are striped socks, thigh highs, they give +3 to programming. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/584/957/ea7.png 13:16 settl3r[m] ok, then the creation of MT was the watershed-Pog ^^ 13:16 settl3r[m] * of MT/MC was 13:17 settl3r[m] is MT older than MC? 13:17 settl3r[m] (both from IM, i guess) 13:17 MTDiscord MC is older 13:17 settl3r[m] * (both inspired from IM, 13:17 MTDiscord MT is partially inspired my MC 13:17 MTDiscord by 13:18 settl3r[m] what inspired IM? 13:18 erle i bet MC is partially inspired by MT too lol 13:18 settl3r[m] (by Zachtronics) 13:18 erle (higher mountains, deeper caves, underground cities) 13:19 settl3r[m] and MC got inspired by DF also? 13:19 Andrew Hopefully 13:19 settl3r[m] so, IM+DF=MC? 13:19 erle minecraft got inspired by slenderman copypasta 13:19 Andrew Minecraft is proprietary 13:20 erle minecraft is inspired by DF (both are proprietary) 13:20 settl3r[m] DF is freeware, though 13:20 settl3r[m] * (ascii-)DF is 13:21 settl3r[m] * (ascii-)DF (+LNP) is freeware, though 13:21 settl3r[m] * (ascii-)DF (+LNP) is(are) freeware, though 13:21 settl3r[m] (URW is freeware too) 13:21 Andrew freeware != free software 13:21 settl3r[m] oh adventure mode of DF = (roughly) UrW 13:21 definitelya LUL 13:21 erle minecraft has only one hero 13:22 erle popbob 13:22 erle she's the best 13:23 erle also minetest is, by default, not a game about colonizing 13:23 erle it's more like lego 13:23 settl3r[m] (DF was inspired by King of Dragon Pass, Dungeon Master, Rogue(likes)) 13:24 settl3r[m] s/King/_King/, s/Pass,/Pass_,/, s/Master/Keeper/ 13:24 erle roguelikes, you mean diablo? 13:24 settl3r[m] * (DF was inspired by King of Dragon Pass, Dungeon Keeper, Rogue[like])) 13:24 settl3r[m] * (DF was inspired by King of Dragon Pass, Dungeon Keeper, Rogue[likes]) 13:24 settl3r[m] the genre 13:25 settl3r[m] oh i also believe that ancient Colossal Cave adventure added inspiration for DF 13:26 settl3r[m] aka Advent[ure] 13:27 Andrew Wait... Yeah I'm looking for Colossal Cave in Minetest 13:27 settl3r[m] (that would make that genre the oldest video game/computer game genre) 13:28 settl3r[m] s/video game/// 13:28 settl3r[m] (Adventure will soon become 50 years old btw ^^) 13:29 Andrew Because the /usr/games/advanture isn't satisfying enough 13:30 settl3r[m] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure 13:30 settl3r[m] * (Adventure will soon (in ~5 years) become 50 years old btw ^^) 13:30 settl3r[m] * (Adventure will soon (in 3-5 years) become 50 years old btw ^^) 13:31 MTDiscord Colossal Cave in MT was one of the few build-heavy projects I had ever considered actually making. 13:31 MTDiscord I'd really love to see it happen. 13:32 settl3r[m] ok, so it was not the first computer game, but the first adventure-genre game 13:32 MTDiscord (especially if it's open-source and not another server-exclusive) 13:32 Andrew among us in minetest needs builders for the polus map :D 13:32 Andrew Warr1024: Most people would publish the schematica anyway, right? 13:32 MTDiscord I would think it would make the most sense to package as a Game. 13:33 Andrew ye 13:33 MTDiscord If somebody would furnish the map for it, I could see about at least some of the programming. 13:34 Andrew The map is the hard part 13:34 Andrew The programming is the easy part 13:34 MTDiscord Hence why I haven't started the project yet. 13:35 MTDiscord I mean, from my perspective, the programming is always the easy part :-D 13:35 settl3r[m] (and colossal cave exists in RL) 13:35 Andrew https://fasrocean580.weebly.com/colossal-cave-adventure-map.html might be some help 13:36 Andrew Warr1024: The same goes for "port X game to minetest", usually it's the maps and stuff that's hard, but sometimes the programming is hard too 13:36 Andrew Engine limitations[tm] sucked me in too 13:37 settl3r[m] This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_(Arizona)... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9a9acb4a348ac90034bf064722f450654bc6af14) 13:37 Andrew "(full message at ...)" 13:37 Andrew :( 13:38 MTDiscord I suppose I could see to doing a rough layout of the map, split it into rooms, and then associate each area with a textual description ... then see about crowdsourcing the actual decoration of the rooms. At least that would provide a theoretical path to completion... 13:40 settl3r[m] could Celeron55 help? 13:41 settl3r[m] * Celeron55 help to unlimit the engine? 13:41 settl3r[m] * Celeron55 help to "de-limitize" the engine? 13:41 settl3r[m] * Celeron55 help to remove the engine limits? 13:42 settl3r[m] * Celeron55 help removing the engine limits? 13:42 MTDiscord Nobody adds limits because they want limits; they add limits because it's necessary to make the engine work, or because the trade-off necessary to get rid of them is unacceptable 13:42 settl3r[m] * Celeron55 help mitigating the engine limits? 13:42 MTDiscord Also stop spamming; we knew what you meant the first time 13:43 MTDiscord iirc that's just how Matrix bridge do when someone edits their message 13:43 MTDiscord This is not proprietary software, these limits are not in place to get you to buy an Enterprise Edition license. Limits exist because people haven't managed to figure out how to get past them yet. If you want fewer limits, then figure out how you can help. 13:43 MTDiscord OIC, I didn't even notice the [m] ... 13:44 MTDiscord The Discord<->IRC bridge simply doesn't send edits and leaves the original message unchanged, and honestly I couldn't tell you which is more annoying. Both do not what the user expects, anyway. 13:44 MTDiscord Perhaps it should wait a few secs for edits :) 13:45 MTDiscord (and then batch them all in one edit message) 13:48 definitelya Minetest: Unshackled 13:48 MTDiscord heh, minetest enterprise edition, comes bundled with irrlicht enterprise edition for free :D 14:42 erle settl3r[m] if you want to have larger maps, talk to proller 14:43 erle settl3r[m] IIRC proller did a lot of work on that topic, but it was not up to the standards of the coredevs 15:38 MTDiscord pog is a exited pig first found in windowsXP background then it was eventually found in all OS 16:17 tech_exorcist hello, is there a way to ignore specific users in minetest's ingame chat? it's to deal with a troll 16:18 tech_exorcist a client-side mod should be fine 16:58 erle tech_exorcist both client-side mods and server-side mods enable you to do this 17:03 jonadab Wait, is /ignore not built-in? 17:13 Andrew What do you mean by "built-in"? 17:14 Andrew jonadab: Even IRC doesn't have it "built-in" 17:14 Andrew (at least in the rfcs :)) 17:20 MTDiscord @x2048 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=410160#p410160 17:20 MTDiscord Just a suggestion 17:27 erle x2048 pls make my legos performant 17:37 jonadab Andrew: That's because IRC is older than rocks, and there were like twelve internet sites back then. 17:38 erle but why would the server need to know who you ignore 17:38 erle it's not strictly necessary hehehehe 17:41 jonadab Well, yes, when I said "built in", I didn't necessarily mean server-side. 17:41 jonadab But it should be an out-of-the-box feature on the client, IMO. 17:43 MTDiscord Server side wouldn't be a bad way to do it though, considering that it would then apply to older clients and such. Also, there are plenty of cases where you'd want to ignore someone and not care who knows it. 17:50 jonadab Whether is should be public could even be a server-admin decision. 17:50 jonadab *it 17:51 jonadab Also, you might want to /ignore status messages from certain mods. 17:58 MTDiscord I mean if it were my decision, I'd be inclined to add support for /ignore (which would silently drop the messages) and /block (which would notify the sender they're blocked) into builtin so that at least the server-side option exists, and players could employ client-side ones if they so chose. 17:58 MTDiscord I probably would not build in any special admin-type features, and users could block admins/moderators if they really wanted (obviously at their own peril), and if server admins really wanted to change that, that'd have to be their call. 17:59 erle Warr1024 you might like xmpp. it actually allows you to finetune what you get from the server. 18:00 erle IIRC this was inserted mostly so you do not get tons of irrelevant info 18:00 jonadab erle: He's talking about in Minetest, I think. 18:00 erle jonadab in minetest, /ignore means holding state and state is bad. also, you can implement it by means of a mod. 18:00 jonadab And yeah, that setup sounds like a reasonable default to me. 18:00 erle in fact, people have done that 18:01 jonadab erle: Sure, I think every public server I've played on has /ignore 18:01 jonadab I was just surprised that it's not a core feature. 18:04 MTDiscord I was talking about MT, yeah. As for XMPP, I used to run a prosody server myself, but it just wan't ever a popular enough protocol to warrant the trouble, and the federation stuff was kinda messy. 18:05 MTDiscord The fact that I could self-host it, and run it over onion networks, was kinda cool, and 2 big advantages over matrix, but ultimately there wasn't enough to do on it at the time. 20:36 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Endi0n -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix possible unreliable behavior due to uninitialized variables 130f8c467 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/0f8c46771ef5ccbb8100f5e731158ef98db57c95 (152022-05-10T20:36:25Z) 20:38 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zughy -> 03minetest/minetest: Add doc to list breaking changes for the next major release 134fb4991 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/4fb4991f5e7e7430831100137288e848d181b7fc (152022-05-10T20:36:50Z) 20:38 MinetestBot 02[git] 04TurkeyMcMac -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix cooking and fuel crafts with aliases 13d17d7eb https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d17d7eba14f6a1328a3b58ee086df5ffa56304d6 (152022-05-10T20:37:05Z) 20:38 MinetestBot 02[git] 04TurkeyMcMac -> 03minetest/minetest: Support packing arbitrary graphs (#12289) 137f58887 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7f58887ae33893c981fbdff23d4e1fa4a11c32e4 (152022-05-10T20:37:33Z) 20:38 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Use native packer to transfer globals into async env(s) 13ec9f157 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ec9f1575121e3b064b919bca7efddfa8b0fc4e65 (152022-05-10T20:37:42Z) 21:34 freshreplicant[m Are there any servers that would be a fairly good representation of the 'cutting edge' of Minetest, e.g. that take advantage of new engine features in cool ways? 21:39 MisterE[m] freshreplicant[m: Not particularly that I am aware of. At least public servers. I do have i3 installed on CenteriaSurvival, and it also uses dynamic media to send you bgm if your computer handle it (with /bgm, you can toggle it). Does that count? 21:40 freshreplicant[m Yes, that's pretty cool. Haven't seen that elsewhere so far. 21:42 MisterE[m] freshreplicant[m: Then of course arena lib uses latest features, so theres aes. 21:43 freshreplicant[m Ah yes, that's right! 21:59 MisterE[m] I'm sure nodecore uses some of the latest features as they come out 22:00 settl3r[m] What is the sixth slot of 3D armor intended for? 22:00 MisterE[m] Other things, added by other mods 22:01 settl3r[m] ok. how can i find sulfur-bearing lava lakes? 22:01 MisterE[m] Read the code :trollface: 22:01 settl3r[m] s/bearing/hosting/ 22:02 MisterE[m] Sorry can't help you, I don't do technic 22:04 settl3r[m] is there a Minetest-technic chatroom in matrix? 22:18 MTDiscord No 22:24 MTDiscord Be the first to start one 22:59 settl3r[m] by the way, what is celeron55 doing currently? has he quitted development of minetest core? 23:05 MisterE[m] you have pinged him :horror: 23:05 MTDiscord c55 isn't around very regularly (that I can tell). He's less involved with the day-to-day grind of MT development. From what I see, he helps in a sort of leadership-at-large capacity, helping with a tie-breaking vote when things are at an impasse or something. 23:30 settl3r[m] sorry for switching the topic again, but i get a Lua error when trying to install technic mod :/ 23:31 settl3r[m] (something about copy_dir error) 23:31 settl3r[m] strangely, i already was able to install other mods 23:31 settl3r[m] * other mods and (sub)games 23:32 settl3r[m] (luckily, playing on technic servers is flawless) 23:37 MTDiscord Ah, the infamous "something about copy_dir" error. I'm pretty sure that you just "something about change something" to fix it. 23:39 rubenwardy settl3r[m]: is this after choosing to overwrite the mod? 23:40 rubenwardy (in which case, you need to manually uninstall the old copy for now)