Time Nick Message 02:35 test30 Hello! 15:53 hn_ ok 15:54 hn_ so noone knows how to install lua normally from flatpak ? 15:59 MTDiscord wdym 16:00 hn_ just that there isnt lua in flatpak and i need to use real lua in my mt mod... (due to requires) 16:01 MTDiscord what's the lua flatpak minetest uses? fake counterfeit lua? 16:01 hn_ probly 16:03 ROllerozxa jokes aside the lua flatpak minetest should be a fully featured version of luajit, idk what you mean about "real" lua 16:03 aoki fake lua XD 16:04 hn_ fake lua = builtin in engine real = installed in system as language (aside python and node) 16:05 ROllerozxa well of course, you can't use the system installed version of lua in a flatpak package 16:06 ROllerozxa it's not in any way "fake", it's still just as feature complete 16:06 hn_ ye... so how can i use lua fs (lua addon) in minetest ? 16:06 ROllerozxa get a system package of minetest that uses your system version of lua 16:07 hn_ version 4.4.1 ? 16:07 hn_ : | 16:07 ROllerozxa bruh what 16:07 hn_ yep 16:07 hn_ its my "sysytem" version 16:07 hn_ means - minetest version 16:08 ROllerozxa oh I thought you were talking about lua 16:08 erle what 16:08 hn_ oh, sorry, it was "0.4.17.1" (and some bugofxes probly) 16:09 ROllerozxa if your system's repos are outdated then that's your problem, grab the buildscripts and package it yourself 16:09 erle hn_ if you have anything older than 5.3, you have probably not updated stuff in a long time. 16:09 hn_ its updated 16:10 hn_ but my os tries to be overstable 16:10 erle what system are you using? 16:10 hn_ solydx 16:10 ROllerozxa ah the wonders of stability by obsolescence... 16:10 hn_ (crossmessaging on matrix) 16:10 erle hn_ either get minetest 5.5 or 5.4.1 and build that. you might have too old cmake though lol 16:11 hn_ i have everything outdated. but works 16:11 hn_ lol 16:11 erle but you are on the internet with it 16:11 erle bold of you 16:11 hn_ yep 16:11 hn_ idk how it work but it wor 16:11 hn_ k 16:13 MTDiscord 0.4.17 is EOL, it's very unlikely that you'll get support for it here 16:13 hn_ yep 16:13 hn_ i know 16:13 hn_ so i use flatpak 16:13 hn_ to have automatic updates 16:13 hn_ : | 16:59 MTDiscord We do provide support for 0.4, but it's pretty much exclusively the "shoulder to cry on" kind, not the "help solving your problems" kind. 17:00 hn_ lol 21:12 settl3r[m] Which mod/game-combination would you recommend for having a true ultra-hardcore experience? 21:12 settl3r[m] (where food doesn't heal anymore, and which contains a dangerous wildlife) 21:13 settl3r[m] ultra-hardcore: having no respawn ability and healing would only by possible with special items 21:14 settl3r[m] s/by/be/ 21:14 MTDiscord Why would you make food not heal? 21:14 settl3r[m] * ultra-hardcore: having no respawn ability and healing would only be possible with special items, such as potions etc. 21:14 MTDiscord Whats its point then 21:14 settl3r[m] to have ultra-hardcore mode 21:14 settl3r[m] hardcore is too easy 21:15 MTDiscord ... make your own hardcore pack, its easy enough 21:15 settl3r[m] UHC would force one to play in a strategic way, making the game much more immersive and realistic, for me 21:15 MTDiscord The only ultra-hard mode I've seen is NodeCore Brutal Skyblock ? 21:15 MTDiscord considering the mod name is literally nc_sky_ultra_hard 21:15 settl3r[m] no, i mean in the default game-mode 21:16 settl3r[m] (or in a MC-like gamemode) 21:16 MTDiscord Settl3r, I don't see the point of having food if it doesn't heal. You might try removing all the food. You might also consider a hunger mod to provide a hunger bar you must keep full to heal 21:16 MTDiscord I was under the imprsssion that minecraft hadecore allowed for regeneration by food. 21:16 MTDiscord you want the default game-mode with ultra-hard game-mode? Or you want ultra-hard game-mode with default game-mode? Or maybe just a hard-mode of ultra-default? 21:17 settl3r[m] (uhc was my favourite mode to play minecraft, back then) 21:17 MTDiscord Well you micht check out and then modify mesecraft 21:17 settl3r[m] i want a mode, where you can starve if you dont eat, but where food doesnt heal you, if you are injured 21:17 MTDiscord Oh yeah 21:17 MTDiscord Check out mesecraft 21:18 MTDiscord Also, install mobkit and zombiestrd 21:18 settl3r[m] is MeseCraft a subgame or a mod-pack? 21:18 MTDiscord Subgame 21:18 rubenwardy Settl3r, I don't see the point of having food if it doesn't heal. 21:18 rubenwardy Food doesn't heal IRL 21:18 MTDiscord mod pack subgame 21:19 MTDiscord I meant, food heals you slowly 21:19 rubenwardy I suppose in such a game mode you'd still have hunger to damage you 21:19 MTDiscord As in, you regen health slowly if you are not hungry 21:19 settl3r[m] the point of having a hunger bar without food-healing is, to force a player to care about both: to not starve and to craft your healing items, if needed 21:19 settl3r[m] ..or search for that healing-items 21:20 MTDiscord Sounds kind of annoying, tbh. It sounds like just adding some busy work that the player has to do on the side, and the only reward is that you get to keep playing. 21:20 MTDiscord Well mesecraft has regen if the hunger bar is full, but I think you will have to modify the game to get what you want anyhow I think 21:21 settl3r[m] the hunger could be set to a slower rate, to make it more realistic 21:21 MTDiscord If you want a very specific experience then the need to modify is pretty much a foregone conclusion, yeah. 21:21 MTDiscord It could 21:21 settl3r[m] but hunger should be there, to keep the realism aspect 21:21 settl3r[m] and healing with food is just too easy :/ 21:21 settl3r[m] it kills the immersion 21:21 MTDiscord The amount of lua you need to learn to get this is minisule 21:22 MTDiscord You should add a hunger mod, and then modify the code to change the rates 21:22 settl3r[m] i want to play, not to program :( 21:22 MTDiscord hmm pfft 21:22 MTDiscord well, I have a mesecraft server up 21:22 MTDiscord centeria Survival 21:22 MTDiscord Feel free to drop by 21:23 MTDiscord It has thirst too 21:23 settl3r[m] for instance, in the game Don't Starve, you also have food which only fills hunger and other food which can restore health (but only few foods do that, iirc) 21:23 settl3r[m] (and yet other types which restore sanity) 21:24 MTDiscord But do you regenerate if you are not hungry? 21:24 MTDiscord Regen health 21:24 settl3r[m] in Dont Starve, health doesnt restore automatically 21:25 settl3r[m] you have to eat special food to restore health, in DS(T) 21:25 MTDiscord sounds super annoying 21:25 MTDiscord "I want to get exactly what I envision, but don't want to do any work for it" <-- I think you speak for everybody :-D 21:25 settl3r[m] it is very challenging and fun to play 21:26 MTDiscord Are you looking for a singleplayer or server experience? 21:26 settl3r[m] sp 21:26 settl3r[m] uhc is hard enough, it wouldnt need to have pvp added :/ 21:27 MTDiscord Would you appreciate it if I made this one change to mesecraft and uploaded it for you? 21:27 settl3r[m] (on a server, normal hardcore would be sufficient) 21:27 settl3r[m] * (on a server, "normal hardcore" would be sufficient) 21:27 settl3r[m] oh that would be great :) 21:27 settl3r[m] the uhc-change? 21:28 settl3r[m] i would be eternally thankful. 21:29 MTDiscord Mesecraft already has hunger, I would make the one change of hunger not regenerating with a full hungerbar 21:30 settl3r[m] oh i could combine MeseCraft with Yolo-mod? that would activate the hardcore, then it would just need to be tweaked so that food-healing was impossible. but then one need to have at least 1 item in the game, with which you could heal.. either a mineable or a craftable (or both) item 21:30 MTDiscord You could, likely 21:30 settl3r[m] can you make golden apples as one of these healing items? that would make things like in minecraft 21:31 MTDiscord you can already find those golden apples on mountians 21:31 settl3r[m] (gold is extremely rare, but that would make for a very interesting challenge, if combined with all mb-mods) 21:31 MTDiscord From etherial mod, included 21:31 settl3r[m] s/mb/mob/ 21:31 settl3r[m] s/mb/mob/monster/ 21:32 settl3r[m] also, if thirst was a thing, it would add to the immersion 21:32 settl3r[m] one would need to carry water-bottles with them, all time 21:32 MTDiscord Well look, ill make the change, even include the yolo mod if I can find it easily, quickly test it. Any further modification is up to you. Yes, thirst is a thing 21:33 settl3r[m] in Mesecraft? cool! 21:33 settl3r[m] Thank you! 21:34 MTDiscord I hope you hve at least 4 gb ram 21:34 settl3r[m] This game could become the main immersive fun challenge for players which seek the ultimate challenge.. 21:35 MTDiscord ... hmm 21:35 settl3r[m] s/which/who/ 21:35 MTDiscord Idk... we need varienty 21:35 settl3r[m] i have 8GB builtin 21:35 MTDiscord *variety 21:35 settl3r[m] of these, mostly 6GB are free always 21:35 settl3r[m] * these, mostly 5.5-6GB are 21:36 MTDiscord Its nice to have a good mod soup game around, but original games are nicer 21:37 settl3r[m] is there a way to disable the admin commands after starting a game? 21:37 settl3r[m] (to make cheating (virtually) impossible) 21:37 MisterE[m] ... just don't give yourself the privs 21:37 MisterE[m] No 21:37 aoki play on server 21:37 MisterE[m] You can always cheat on your own computer 21:37 MisterE[m] Or that 21:38 aoki can somewhat cheat on server too 21:38 aoki like fly 21:38 aoki noclip, nofall 21:38 settl3r[m] ok, then i will write a textfile with my HomeRules (a "Code of Honour"), to hold myself back from any thought about cheating. 21:38 MisterE[m] lol sure 21:39 MTDiscord If you want to really hold yourself to a set of rules, livestream your play and have your audience hold you accountable. 21:39 settl3r[m] one rule will be: only one save-backup is allowed, only right after the beginning of the game (to save the gameworld) 21:40 MisterE[m] Livestream is a good idea 21:40 MTDiscord If you livestream your play, you can keep all the backups you want, because if you die on stream, or viewers notice a discontinuity, then it'll be clear you've lost anyway, and even if you get to keep the world as a trophy, it will still just be a memorial of your defeat. 21:40 settl3r[m] sorry, i can't, because i have no camera for my PC 21:41 MisterE[m] You can screenrecord 21:41 MisterE[m] Without showing yourself 21:41 settl3r[m] i dont have a mic either 21:41 MTDiscord you don't really need a camera or a mic. Having a mic and chatting with your audience is nice, but I've seen plenty of people get away without it. 21:41 MisterE[m] you can use chat 21:42 settl3r[m] also, my gameplay would be super-boring as i would play extremely careful and slowly 21:42 settl3r[m] and i am a perfectionist also 21:42 settl3r[m] * be super-boring (to watch) as i 21:42 MisterE[m] Well, it was a suggestion not a command lol 21:43 settl3r[m] :D thanks 21:43 MTDiscord super-boring is fine for a livestream 21:43 settl3r[m] but.. i could upload a savegame, if i manage to build a base, hm.. 21:43 MTDiscord there are plenty of channels on twitch that I would watch more as a "background" thing while I work rather than expecting to be edge of my seat all the tiem. 21:44 settl3r[m] does meseCraft contain tough monsters? 21:45 settl3r[m] how can i find that modded MeseCraft? 21:45 Teckla Does Minetest for iOS or iPadOS exist? 21:45 settl3r[m] good question 21:45 MisterE[m] settl3r[m]: It does 21:45 settl3r[m] yay 21:46 MisterE[m] settl3r[m]: I'm making it currently, ill upload it to git and provide a download link in about 1/2 hr 21:47 settl3r[m] awesome, take all the time you need, you are the man ? 21:50 MisterE[m] you can find the unmodded mesecraft here:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a0c2c3bf18352c6ccb65a74c9a8d084ffc418404) 21:50 settl3r[m] cool, thank you! 21:51 MisterE[m] Heres the website btw: https://www.mesecraft.com/ 21:51 settl3r[m] wow.. even weather? 21:51 MisterE[m] You do have minetest 5.5 ? 21:51 settl3r[m] yes 21:52 settl3r[m] * yes, 5.5.0 (64bit) 21:52 settl3r[m] * yes, 5.5.0 (64bit, on windows) 21:52 settl3r[m] * yes, 5.5.0 (64bit, on windows 7) 21:52 settl3r[m] * yes, 5.5.0 (64bit, on windows 7 [i still get security-updates]) 21:53 MisterE[m] ...tmi 21:53 settl3r[m] thinks hard, what that cryptic token might mean.. 21:54 MisterE[m] too much info 21:54 erle mesecraft is very cute 21:54 erle i like these little clouds that come out of it's fires 21:54 erle mesecraft moon skybox is also funny 21:54 erle have they fixed the moon portal iron dupe? 21:54 MisterE[m] I have, they havnt 21:55 erle ah! 21:55 MisterE[m] Afaik 21:55 erle MisterE[m] is there also a mars portal bronze dupe? ;) 21:55 MisterE[m] Yup... 21:55 erle MisterE[m] did you remove ores from the moon or was that someone else btw? 21:55 erle without ores a moonbase is kinda pointless 21:56 erle with them, it's a challenging due to radioactivity and vacuum 21:56 settl3r[m] wow.. planetary realms? 21:56 MisterE[m] komodo did, I readded them, komodo may have too not sure 21:56 settl3r[m] never played such a minetest game.. 21:56 erle settl3r[m] it's quite interesting 21:56 settl3r[m] spoiler-alerts? 21:56 MisterE[m] Um yeah 21:56 erle settl3r[m] go looking for the book of portals 21:56 erle in the game 22:00 MisterE[m] settl3r: in mesecraft the 3d armor has healing armors. Remove or keep? 22:02 settl3r[m] does the healing wear it off? 22:02 settl3r[m] if yes, then keep 22:03 settl3r[m] (so a player would have to recraft it) 22:03 MisterE[m] Not sure, and thats a bit too much to check 22:03 settl3r[m] * to recraft or repair it) 22:03 settl3r[m] if it's expensive in materials it might be ok for uhc 22:03 MisterE[m] I do know taat when damaged the armor is damaged and oant be repaired 22:03 MisterE[m] That* 22:03 MisterE[m] Can't* 22:04 settl3r[m] if in doubt, disable it, to keep the uhc spirit 22:04 settl3r[m] uhc is supposed to give players the maximum challeneg possible 22:04 settl3r[m] s/challeneg/challenge/ 22:05 settl3r[m] or disable the healing and keep the armor, would that work? 22:05 MisterE[m] Yeah that works 22:05 settl3r[m] * that work? (if that is to cumbersome, then disable it) 22:05 settl3r[m] ok cool 22:05 settl3r[m] so only golden apples would heal a player? 22:07 settl3r[m] the question here is: should there be an absolute limit of healing items worldwide? 22:07 settl3r[m] or should healing items be renewable? 22:07 MisterE[m] They are renewable... 22:07 settl3r[m] but hopefully tough to obtain 22:08 MisterE[m] And at this point, you are welcome to make further modifications :) 22:08 settl3r[m] so only 1 healing item exists? 22:09 MisterE[m] There are others, most/ all hard to get 22:09 MisterE[m] I think 22:09 MisterE[m] Do you know of the yolo mod you want? 22:10 MisterE[m] I could only find one that deletes the player, not the world 22:10 MisterE[m] settl3r: 22:11 settl3r[m] it would suffice if it disables the player a continuation 22:11 settl3r[m] a restart with a new char, losing everything would still be within uhc (?) 22:11 MisterE[m] ... your house your rules 22:11 settl3r[m] deleting the player is hardcore, i guess 22:12 settl3r[m] so combined with no regeneration, it would be uhc 22:12 settl3r[m] (i only know of 1 yolo mod) 22:13 settl3r[m] thanks again for combining it with yolo-mod 22:14 settl3r[m] Have you ever played hardcore yourself? 22:15 MisterE[m] nope 22:44 MisterE[m] settl3r: https://gitlab.com/mistere123.coding/mesecraftUHC/-/archive/master/mesecraftUHC-master.zip 22:44 MisterE[m] there you go 22:44 MisterE[m] also, check out Exile 22:44 MisterE[m] it is a great UHC game 22:44 settl3r[m] wow that was quick, thank you very much :) 22:45 settl3r[m] oh do i have to compile it before playing? :/ 22:45 MisterE[m] settl3r: I think modified UHC mesecraft is what you had in mind, but give Exile a shot too: https://content.minetest.net/packages/Mantar/exile/ 22:45 MisterE[m] It too is 1 life, and its very realistic 22:46 settl3r[m] oh will try that out first, as i love wilderness survival 22:46 MisterE[m] settl3r[m]: no. You download the game, extract it, remane the folder to mesecraft_UHC, and put it in the games folder 22:46 MisterE[m] s/remane/rename/, s/mesecraft_UHC/mesecraft\_UHC/ 22:47 settl3r[m] ty 22:47 MisterE[m] with exile, you have a "character" 22:47 MisterE[m] who dies when you die. You become a new character 22:48 MisterE[m] there is an exile server, "land of catastrophe" most of the players are very helpful 22:48 MisterE[m] settl3r: 22:49 settl3r[m] so Exile is like Mesecraft_UHC minus the advanced technic? 22:49 MisterE[m] no 22:50 MisterE[m] Exile is a completely different game 22:50 MisterE[m] and also, Mesecraft doesnt have technic, just mesecons 22:50 settl3r[m] ah, but Exile is uhc-mode, too? 22:50 settl3r[m] which items heal in Exile? 22:51 MisterE[m] Exile is all about managing temperature, health, food, seasons, etc. You have to learn to build a stove in-world. You have to learn to keep warm during winter of you will die 22:51 MisterE[m] *or 22:51 MisterE[m] you have to learn what is food, and what is poison 22:51 settl3r[m] wow! that sounds even more interesting for me :) 22:51 MisterE[m] you have to maintain your energy or you will become too weak to move 22:52 MisterE[m] you have to find shelter from the seasons you you will get hypothermia 22:52 settl3r[m] sounds like UnrealWorld (aka UrW) 22:52 MisterE[m] its basically a death simulator until you figure it out 22:53 settl3r[m] thank you for packaging Exile into the zip! 22:53 MisterE[m] and then you can explore the lost city 22:53 MisterE[m] I did not! 22:53 MisterE[m] I did not package exile into the zip 22:53 MisterE[m] i linked the content database page above, but you can install exile from the content tab 22:53 settl3r[m] ok, but thanks for uploading it, together with your mese-uhc-fork 22:54 MisterE[m] .... I uploaded mesecraftUHC. I linked exlie's content database page 22:54 settl3r[m] oh.. then Exile has not uhc activated by default? 22:54 MisterE[m] ... 22:55 MisterE[m] just install Exile from the main menu content installer in minetest and try it. Exile does not have a non-UHC mode 22:55 MisterE[m] or just join the Exile server 22:55 MisterE[m] Exile is one way to pronounce "UHC" 22:56 settl3r[m] ok, sounds really challenging and immersive, like the stuff i love ^^ 22:56 MisterE[m] If I had remembered it, I would have pointed you to exile first instead of doing the mesecraft thing, but now you have both so :) 22:57 settl3r[m] oh a last question: does Exile has (tough) mobs included by default? 22:57 MisterE[m] ... eh... not really 22:57 MisterE[m] kinda 22:57 MisterE[m] in the lost city there are 22:58 MisterE[m] all the mobs do fight back iif attacked. Even the worms 22:58 settl3r[m] ok, i will first play the Mesecraft-UHC, and try out Exile later. 22:58 MisterE[m] well grubs 22:59 MisterE[m] exile is very focused on surviving the environment. That is becuase it is developed by a few people, who dont have a lot of time. While mesecraft is a mod soup, its less focused on any particular thing, and is a collection of mods 23:01 MisterE[m] mesecraft UHC is just mesecraft, with the modifications you requested. And Mesecraft is just default minetest game with a huge collection of mods, that are kinda fit together to provide a nice experience, with lots to explore and fight and do 23:01 MisterE[m] well, Hope you find something you like! 23:05 settl3r[m] you included yolo, right? 23:06 settl3r[m] (ok will try it out now..) 23:08 MisterE[m] settl3r[m]: yes 23:14 settl3r[m] oh one last thing: do i have to select mods before starting? 23:15 settl3r[m] so it is not your Celestia-fork? 23:15 settl3r[m] s/Celestia/Centeria/ 23:20 MisterE[m] "oh one last thing: do i have..." <- the zip I linked above: https://gitlab.com/mistere123.coding/mesecraftUHC/-/archive/master/mesecraftUHC-master.zip is my centeria fork, with the UHC modifications. No, you do not need to select mods. Make sure that "Enable Damage" checkbox *is* checked 23:29 MisterE[m] settl3r: ^