Time  Nick          Message
07:42 Yad           for `set_attach(parent[, bone, position, rotation, forced_visible])` the syntax looks wrong
07:43 Yad           Why are square brackets? Especially odd is that the open-bracket is followed by a comma.
07:43 Yad           Minetest confirms there is an error here, saying "unexpected symbol near ','`
08:34 MTDiscord     <Sublayer plank> pretty sure it's meant to signify that parent is a required argument while the rest are optional
08:34 debiankaios   hi
08:34 MTDiscord     <Sublayer plank> hello
09:48 MTDiscord     <luatic> independent56: Obtaining the last 4 characters: ("hello"):sub(-4), obtaining everything until the last 4 characters is what wsor already sent.
09:51 MTDiscord     <luatic> You could even use patterns to achieve these: str:match"^(.*)....$" for everything but the first 4 characters, str:match"....$" for the last 4 characters. This might be more readable, and it won't behave oddly when the string is shorter than 4 characters (it will simply return nil).
12:06 independent56 A lot of the younger players on my server end up falling off my massive bridge. I have signs warning them not to tresspass, but i keep finding bones around my railway.
12:06 independent56 Why are my players so stupid to not realise trains dangerous in real life --> trains possibly dangerous in server?
12:07 independent56 And then they cry in chat "NOO I DIEDG"
12:10 independent56 And then they leave, never to come bacl
12:10 independent56 So i guess i found a way to filter out stupid players
12:11 independent56 No need to recklessly kick and ban
12:15 calcul0n_     so you expect people to read signs? what a strange idea :)
12:17 independent56 https://i.imgur.com/j9Q7jHY.png
12:17 independent56 Since there were only two signs, now i have decorated it in red to really bring the point home
12:18 independent56 Hopefully, they can see the skull and crossbones and realise "oh god i'll just walk... next to the viaduct"
12:23 MTDiscord     <Sublayer plank> "That sign can't stop me because I can't read!"
12:25 independent56 Well, i guess it's fair that they die under the wheels of a train
12:25 independent56 If they're so stubborn.
12:31 definitelya   D:
12:39 definitelya   Based and railpilled
13:14 independent56 Does minetest singleplayer make a server on localhost and then connects to it?
13:15 kabou         did you try?
13:16 kabou         start in singleplayer, start second instance of minetest and connect to network game on 127.0.0.1
13:16 kabou         if it does not work, then no
13:17 kabou         there is a checkbox "start server" on the menu.  so likely that if that is unchecked, it starts no server
13:23 MTDiscord     <Sublayer plank> minetest singleplayer does start a server that the client then connects to, but external players can't connect to it
13:25 kabou         sublayer plank is it an ip connection or unix sockets?
13:25 MTDiscord     <Sublayer plank> if you start minetest from a terminal and start a singleplayer game in the game you will see the server startup ASCII art and that it is now listening on 0.0.0.0:(random port). however if you attempt to connect to it from another client it will kick you with the message "The server is running in simple singleplayer mode. You cannot connect."
13:26 kabou         so how does the singleplayer client connect in such a way that another client cant?
13:26 kabou         how does the server see the difference?
13:27 MTDiscord     <Sublayer plank> because the server is directly attached to the client... so why it even has to listen like this is beyond me, it doesn't need to listen in on everything and is also the reason minetest throws up scary windows defender warnings on windows systems
13:28 MTDiscord     <Sublayer plank> I swear there was an issue about this
13:29 kabou         what is directly attached?  are they the same process? or two processes doing some interprocess communication (sockets on unix, smt else on windows)?
13:32 MTDiscord     <Sublayer plank> I don't know the specifics actually but I'd assume they would be different processes but that they communicate directly with eachother. either that or it's just hardcoded to let "singleplayer" on which probably sounds like the most minetesty way of doing things >.>
13:39 rubenwardy    kabou: same process
13:39 rubenwardy    minetest passes something like isSingleplayer when starting the server thread
13:40 kabou         thanks
13:51 sfan5         "and is also the reason minetest throws up scary windows defender warnings on windows systems" < that seems easy to fix
14:25 Yad           Sublayer plank: Ahhh, okay thank you, so it's an indicator, and not to be used as Lua syntax. :)
14:56 Yad           What is `set_attach(parent[, bone, position, rotation, forced_visible])` relative to? I'm not sure the name for this concept in Lua...
14:57 Yad           ...in other words do I use a dot or colon operator, and what goes before that operator?
14:57 Yad           e.g. probably wrong is minetest:set_attach or minetest.set_attach
14:58 sfan5         an objectref
14:59 sfan5         you call it like obj:set_attach(...)
14:59 sfan5         which is just syntactic sugar for obj.set_attach(obj, ...)
15:00 Yad           sfan5: Thanks, so I use something like `minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(...` to get the objectref and assign it to a variable such as `this_player`, then I use `this_player:set_attach(...`?
15:01 sfan5         yes
15:01 sfan5         but also it doesn't matter where you get your ObjectRef from
15:01 Yad           Yeah, I'm just using an easy example :)
15:01 Yad           sfan5: Nice. But how do I identify which thing is being attached to `this_player`?
15:01 Yad           sfan5: Is that what `bone` is?
15:01 sfan5         that's the first argument
15:02 Yad           sfan5: Oooh, right right, thank you I keep getting it stuck in my head that `parent` is what `this_player` is in my example. :)
15:03 Yad           So more like `this_player:set_attach(the_attachement)`
15:03 sfan5         yes
15:03 Yad           :)
15:03 sfan5         the implicit first argument I mentioned as syntactic sugar is not written out, if that was confusing you
15:03 Yad           sfan5: No I think it was my incorrectly written line in my own code I had on the screen above HexChat, which was confusing me. :D
15:10 Yad           sfan5: Oh and `parent` needs to be an "entity"?
15:10 sfan5         yes
15:10 Yad           :D
15:12 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> "and is also the reason minetest throws up scary windows defender warnings on windows systems" < that seems easy to fix < is probably the least important issue with minetest on windows
15:13 sfan5         what would be the mort important ones?
15:13 sfan5         more*
15:17 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> given that https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11832 happens basically 1/2 of the time
15:18 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> maybe https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11544 more depending on the game from contentdb makes it unplayable
16:35 sfan5         hmm right
16:40 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> oh, i havent really been able to track it down yet, but roughly (i think) if your on 5.5, windows, and bad internet (very edge case) minetest with throw a lua error
16:41 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> . s/with/will
16:44 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369137254641303560/946246526869598248/unknown.png if you care for the error
16:45 sfan5         wasn't that reported before?
16:45 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> not that im aware of?
16:45 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> its new to 5.5
16:46 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> or i think at least
16:50 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/10942 is the most similar thing that i could find, not sure if thats what your thinking of?
16:51 erlehmann     Jonathon how bad is the internet
16:51 mister-e[m]   Hey, everyone, the first post of the Minetest blog is released!
16:51 mister-e[m]   Check it out: https://minetestblog.github.io/posts/post01
16:52 erlehmann     > Possibly the most interesting change to the API was an upgrade to the dynamic media API.
16:52 erlehmann     yes very interesting ^^
16:52 erlehmann     we live in interesting times, if you get what i mean :P
16:52 erlehmann     > The applications are huge, especially regarding background music (BGM), which used to extend login times enormously. BGM can now be sent one track at a time after the player has joined.
16:53 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> mistre-e: neat
16:53 erlehmann     i still think minetest should be able to stream ogg vorbis from http
16:53 erlehmann     ogg is a streaming container
16:53 erlehmann     you can basically use “cat” to glue two ogg files together and if the player was not written by someone whose approach is “fuck around and find out”, it will work
16:54 erlehmann     mister-e[m] super sam is amazing
16:55 erlehmann     mister-e[m] cool blog post
16:56 erlehmann     mister-e[m] instead of making the title contain a counter, maybe put the date in the title and url next time
16:56 erlehmann     so you can see if it is recent
16:57 erlehmann     i think “This week in Minetest 2022-02-27” is a more helpful title, as would https://minetestblog.github.io/posts/twim-2022-02-27 be a more helpful url
16:57 erlehmann     ok
16:57 erlehmann     it is THIS MONTH haha
16:58 erlehmann     well let's hope putler does not nuke the world, so we can have a second post some time
17:47 erlehmann     hey devs, how do you animated textures on entities?
17:47 erlehmann     without spamming packets ideally
17:47 erlehmann     that tell client to change texture
17:47 erlehmann     are there material tricks or so?
17:47 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> you dont
17:48 erlehmann     i was thinking, maybe have some b3d animation
17:49 erlehmann     that switches material visibility or position with 0 delay?
17:50 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> you would still have to send a packet for animation
17:56 erlehmann     but only to start?
17:59 MTDiscord     <GreenXenith> I don't think you can animate materials using b3d
18:00 MTDiscord     <GreenXenith> So you'd have to duplicate faces, which obviously is a tradeoff
18:00 erlehmann     yes
18:00 erlehmann     that is the idea
18:01 erlehmann     but can you actually switch them off without z fighting issues or so?
18:01 erlehmann     because right now, in mineclonia, we switch off faces by assigning transparent texture
18:01 erlehmann     like the llama model
18:01 erlehmann     i have drawn like 7 carpets
18:01 erlehmann     but carpets are not in game
18:01 erlehmann     because we need 9 more
18:01 erlehmann     carpet texture is *always* transparent
18:02 erlehmann     i figure that minetest_game does it similarly with armor
18:02 erlehmann     my idea was to make fire maybe use less packets
18:02 erlehmann     by having fire animation entity
18:37 MTDiscord     <Benrob0329> If you don't mind having extra geometry, you could animate face scale
18:37 MTDiscord     <Benrob0329> And just swap the visible faces
18:38 MTDiscord     <Benrob0329> I don't know that its better than the extra network traffic though, really depends on your bottleneck
18:43 erlehmann     mobs cause network traffic
18:43 erlehmann     and fire … step in a fire in mineclone2 0.71
18:44 erlehmann     then measure the network traffic
18:44 erlehmann     we limited the framerate in mineclonia because sending a single packet for every frame is saturating connections very fast
18:44 erlehmann     i mean that was for the hud
18:45 erlehmann     but if i am not mistaken, burning is animation
18:45 erlehmann     and animation means network traffic
18:45 erlehmann     and that's bad mkay
18:46 erlehmann     Benrob0239 have any example for the face scale thing?
18:49 ghoti         Is it possible for basic_robots robot to execute worldedit commands? I mean, assuming privs are correct and all that... How does a robot run such commands?
18:53 MTDiscord     <Benrob0329> erlehmann: not on-hand, no. You'd make an animated mesh with each face UV mapped to the appropriate spot on the texture. afaik you'll need to give it a bone structure to have animations in B3D, but you can set multiple faces to one bone and make the animation easier this way anyways.
19:17 independent56 Which mod has the biggest trees?
19:17 independent56 I really want to have massive trees taking over my server
19:28 lemonzest     moretrees has some pretty big redwoods
19:28 lemonzest     spruce too I think
19:37 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> Whatever pryllo huge tree mod was, also treer had a big tree mod, dunno if they ever released it
19:40 independent56 Please send links
19:40 independent56 gtg
19:53 erlehmann     independent56 in mesecraft there is some terrain generator that makes giant trees with heart of the tree in it, let me look up what mod it is