Time  Nick          Message
17:41 gargamel      quit
17:53 MTDiscord     <MisterE> Hey, so I have finished setting up the minetest blog, and now Im looking for content. If you have updates to share about your minetest projects, or great screenshots, please read: https://minetestblog.github.io/about/ and then make an issue on the issue tracker to submit content for the next blog post. Basically, its free shills for your project ( though you have to have a good excuse such as an update, an event, or something great you are
17:53 MTDiscord     working on that you want to share). We're aiming for about a monthly post release cycle, but if I get enough content, maybe we will do a post next week.    Engine devs, This is a nice place to share updates with what you are working on this month on the engine.
18:01 erlehmann     MisterE my friend li0n and me are working on rumble support via CSM. we could use exposure, since the only 3 people i know with rumble-capable devices have exactly the same model.
18:02 erlehmann     MisterE is this in scope?
18:02 mister-e[m]   Yeah, sure!
18:03 erlehmann     great, do you maybe have an xbox-compatible gamepad with a vibrator motor in it?
18:03 mister-e[m]   I do...
18:03 erlehmann     nice, wanna test it out?
18:04 erlehmann     mister-e[m] here https://git.minetest.land/Li0n_2/rumble
18:04 mister-e[m]   but... in general Im going to let each person submit their own content for the blog; I only have time to edit the blog, not to write all the content. I will compile all the submissions each month into a post
18:04 erlehmann     no no, just now as fun
18:04 erlehmann     i can write it
18:05 mister-e[m]   sure, I can test it out
18:05 erlehmann     i just want you to have fun with your controller
18:05 erlehmann     so you have to install the csm, run the minetest_intiface.py within the minetest directory and have intiface desktop running https://intiface.com/desktop/
18:05 erlehmann     in intiface, you add your controller
18:06 erlehmann     intiface listens at localhost port 12345
18:06 erlehmann     the csm writes log messages when you get damaged
18:06 erlehmann     and the python script tells intiface to start and stop the vibration
18:06 erlehmann     and how strong
18:06 erlehmann     it triggers on fall damage, so you can try it out yourself
18:06 mister-e[m]   umm... that description doesnt look good
18:06 erlehmann     why?
18:07 erlehmann     too complex?
18:07 erlehmann     i can assure you it works
18:07 mister-e[m]   no... nsfw
18:07 erlehmann     well, their motto is “if it vibrates, we support it”
18:07 mister-e[m]   hmm...
18:07 erlehmann     that's why we decided to use it in the first place
18:07 erlehmann     to get as wide hardware support as possible
18:08 mister-e[m]   one of the blog requrements is no nsfw
18:08 erlehmann     so what makes you think i would write an nsfw post?
18:09 ROllerozxa    er, how is rumble nsfw?
18:09 erlehmann     ROllerozxa the middleware can control vibrators, of course
18:09 erlehmann     the people who reverse engineer control protocols do not stop at wiimotes
18:09 mister-e[m]   erlehmann: In not sure I want the blog linking to anything of the sort
18:10 erlehmann     so could it link to the CSM though?
18:11 mister-e[m]   I mean, its one thing to support vibration hardware, its another thing to specifically advertise ... that
18:11 mister-e[m]   erlehmann: Id have to discuss with the other editor
18:11 erlehmann     i can assure you i have not put any testing hardware anywhere NSFW
18:11 erlehmann     though people keep making jokes about it
18:11 definitelya__ mister-e[m]: It would certaily be one heck of a start for the blog.
18:12 erlehmann     i told a friend about the rumble thing
18:12 mister-e[m]   yeah... I agree
18:12 erlehmann     and she was like “wiimotes actual EOL is when their vibration motor gives in” LMAO
18:12 definitelya__ >.<;
18:13 erlehmann     but come on, it is much more likely someone will use a gamepad
18:13 mister-e[m]   erlehmann: have you considered using a library that is more ... presentable?
18:13 ROllerozxa    heh lol
18:13 erlehmann     mister-e[m] SDL sucks here
18:13 definitelya__ erlehmann: I remember a project about... that, with morse code!
18:13 definitelya__ Lemme see if I can find it
18:14 erlehmann     look, if you are going for the widest hardware support for vibrating things you *will* eventually end up at teledildonics
18:14 erlehmann     it's kinda obvious
18:14 definitelya__ Just for laughs
18:14 mister-e[m]   im inclined to say no, I dont want the blog associated with nsfw topics at all
18:14 erlehmann     well, i haven't shoved any controllers where they don't belong and i promsise you to not joke about it
18:15 mister-e[m]   for many reasons, not least of which is that it has the potential to become part of the minetest official website
18:15 definitelya__ Found it!
18:15 erlehmann     (in a possible blog post)
18:15 definitelya__ https://github.com/kaylynn234/
18:15 definitelya__ Check in their repos, it's there...
18:15 erlehmann     mister-e[m] look, i can change the python script to talk to something else. but what other thing is as simple as intiface?
18:16 erlehmann     you basically need a haptics middleware
18:16 erlehmann     unless you want to depend on driver support for your platform
18:16 mister-e[m]   Idk...
18:16 erlehmann     this is like “the gimp” all over again lol
18:17 erlehmann     (some ppl were offended at the name)
18:17 definitelya__ erlehmann: eheh
18:17 mister-e[m]   i mean your application is cool and all, but I wouldnt want to have that middleware installed on my device even, let alone have the blog post associated with it
18:19 definitelya__ mister-e[m]: Are you against early gamepad support? It's fine.
18:19 mister-e[m]   this is more than about name. The organization that the project is directly associated with actively is engaged in nsfw
18:19 mister-e[m]   gamepad support is great
18:20 rubenwardy    I'm not as prude, but I do think it's a bit suss
18:20 MTDiscord     <Danil_2461> i am here
18:20 definitelya__ hmm
18:20 MTDiscord     <Danil_2461> was i ripped off
18:21 MTDiscord     <Danil_2461> i was ripped off
18:21 MTDiscord     <MisterE> please stop spam
18:21 definitelya__ gachiBASS
18:22 erlehmann     mister-e[m] i don't really know what's nsfw about it if you do not have a vibrator. that they prominantly advertise hardware support for all kinds of sex toys that they reverse engineered? (besides all the game controllers)
18:22 ROllerozxa    rumble is not inherently nsfw so... just write the blog without mentioning any nsfw subjects? what's the issue with that
18:22 erlehmann     i mean you really don't HAVE to link to that page
18:22 definitelya__ Exactly
18:23 erlehmann     also i doubt the majority of users want to be distracted during gameplay ehehehe
18:24 erlehmann     i mean there is also a non-GUI version of that kind of haptics router
18:24 erlehmann     but a) how do you configure it?
18:24 erlehmann     b) it is literally called “buttplug server” lol
18:25 erlehmann     mister-e[m] so, anyways, still wanna test that gamepad you have?
18:25 mister-e[m]   the no nsfw requirement applies to project associations too. People who are interested in the project will start to research it, and I wouldnt want them to come across that library, from the blog. If you change to another library that is presentable for a public face, then I have no problem with it. But I understand if you dont want to or cant do that; I dont have an issue with your usecase of the rumble support, but I do have an issue
18:25 mister-e[m]   with the project associations
18:26 definitelya__ meh
18:26 definitelya__ Your blog, your rules
18:27 erlehmann     of course
18:28 erlehmann     just to have said it: i strongly disagree with your issues of presentability. i will not put effort to use a library with *worse* hardware support because people may be upset about the possibility of *other* people to do lewd things.
18:29 erlehmann     anyways, i wanted to show off the feature, not tell people “by the way, you can now put muinetest down your pants”
18:29 erlehmann     :P
18:29 erlehmann     but feel free to do so!
18:29 erlehmann     (i probably will not)
18:30 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> :thonking:
18:30 erlehmann     mister-e[m] since i keep running into “hey, you have a cool thing” – “yes, look …” – “ugh, not THAT”
18:30 erlehmann     mister-e[m] what other rules are there?
18:31 mister-e[m]   it has nothing to do with the possibility of lewd behavior, when you make a software tool, its a tool, people can use it for good or bad. But if they make a tool and then specifically say that they support and encourage the use of it for bad purposes, now i dont want the association
18:31 erlehmann     also, anyone else have a gamepad?
18:31 erlehmann     i need testers
18:31 erlehmann     > bad purposes
18:31 mister-e[m]   erlehmann: the rules are in the linked readme page
18:31 erlehmann     you know what is NSFW? organize, unionize, radicalize! :P
18:31 mister-e[m]   I mean about page
18:32 definitelya__ erlehmann: Amazon wants to know your location.
18:32 erlehmann     definitelya__ harr harr
18:32 definitelya__ no unions
18:33 erlehmann     definitelya__, #define struct union
18:33 erlehmann     (saves tons of RAM)
18:33 definitelya__ It's bad for business(TM)
18:33 definitelya__ :0
18:33 MTDiscord     <Jonathon> >no unions cpp looks around nervously
18:33 erlehmann     hehehehehe
18:33 erlehmann     mister-e[m] where is the repo for the blog?
18:34 erlehmann     i can not seem to find it sorry
18:34 erlehmann     ah got it
18:34 erlehmann     mister-e[m] i suggest to make it a link
18:35 erlehmann     uh you made it … not a link? https://github.com/minetestblog/minetestblog.github.io/commit/1fffa333df98454a67e6c6a1aa72afd35dd34dee
18:35 erlehmann     i am confused
18:35 erlehmann     why
18:35 mister-e[m]   https://minetestblog.github.io/about/
18:35 mister-e[m]   oh
18:36 mister-e[m]   https://github.com/minetestblog/minetestblog.github.io
18:36 mister-e[m]   oops the links are broken
18:37 mister-e[m]   ill fix it
18:40 erlehmann     mister-e[m] maybe the intiface developers have a blog, i can ask there, haha.
18:40 erlehmann     maybe minetest gets new players!
18:40 erlehmann     :)
18:41 mister-e[m]   whatever
18:41 erlehmann     mister-e[m] regarding mod content, are PRs that are not yet merged acceptable?
18:41 erlehmann     like „i am working on this”
18:41 mister-e[m]   Yeah
18:41 mister-e[m]   actually, thats encouraged
18:41 mister-e[m]   especially if you have screenshots :P
18:42 mister-e[m]   it is for "im working on this"
18:42 mister-e[m]   but ... yeah it has to be significant enough...
18:43 mister-e[m]   and how significant that is is undetermined yet
18:43 mister-e[m]   but Id say, like, "I added a new node to mineclone" isnt that significant
18:44 mister-e[m]   but "Im working on a new dimension mod for mineclone" would be
18:44 mister-e[m]   bascially, would other people care? Thats the question to ask
18:45 mister-e[m]   links are fixed
19:09 erlehmann     mister-e[m] cora has fixed the fire of mineclone2 in mineclonia (and it will be merged back into mineclone2 probably, since she is the new maintainer). so it is not even a new node, *but* you can set the entre server on fire without any CPU load or RAM issues. probably boring, right?
19:11 Pexin         set server on fire. capacitors explod, wires melt and short, motherboard fries. zero cpu load or ram issues.
19:12 erlehmann     mister-e[m] also kay27 has been working on a new lua-based map generator for mineclone5 that largely sidesteps the errors of the minetest engine (mapgen griefing). his implementation is quite fragile and i would not recommend anyone to use it right now unless they are not really invested in their worlds, but the approach is very interesting.
19:12 erlehmann     mister-e[m] if you ask him about it, do not mention me though. i have the feeling he does not like me.
19:13 erlehmann     but maybe he likes writing about it.
19:13 erlehmann     it is a very interesting tech demo.
19:14 erlehmann     luatic have you looked at the mapgen from kay27?
19:14 mister-e[m]   the first one would probably go under the games section of the post
19:14 erlehmann     the fire story is actually interesting because
19:15 erlehmann     of the node timer memory leak issue :)
19:15 erlehmann     (fire copies itself, so allocating memory for a fire node is a bad idea)
19:15 erlehmann     i'll ask cora about it
19:16 erlehmann     mister-e[m] i could write a post about the gameplay experience on anarchy servers, what about that?
19:16 kabou         erlehmann I have a nice inpiration for a scheme that you can place in a mineclonia world:
19:16 kabou         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus_(sculpture)
19:17 kabou         he has a bro in oslo :
19:17 kabou         https://indebuurt.nl/rotterdam/genieten-van/mysteries/wat-kabouter-buttplug-heeft-een-broer-en-hij-staat-hier~208054/
19:18 mister-e[m]   erlehmann: Maybe, as a separate post. That was something I didnt think about. I was assuming that content would be small updates, compiled into a monthly post. But I could see expansion into allowing whole posts by people
19:19 mister-e[m]   I dont know, will consider it
19:19 erlehmann     oh, you just want a linkblog?
19:20 erlehmann     i thought maybe one short article per feature
19:20 mister-e[m]   basically, like what veloren does
19:21 erlehmann     mister-e[m] can i shill for my devtest nodes so more people use them lol
19:21 erlehmann     (no one uses devtest)
19:21 mister-e[m]   oh, definately
19:21 erlehmann     nice
19:22 erlehmann     kabou LOL
19:22 erlehmann     i just clicked on your link
19:23 erlehmann     kabou have fun building it
19:23 mister-e[m]   https://veloren.net/devblog-158/
19:23 mister-e[m]   theres an example of what I mean
19:23 kabou         add some redstone/mesecons to interface with you haptics device
19:25 erlehmann     kabou if you build it, players will come
19:25 erlehmann     (and grief it)
19:25 kabou         it's not really my thing tbh, but I thought you might feel inspired
19:26 kabou         it would be a nice advertising gimmick for your extensions
19:27 erlehmann     MinetestBot haha the veloren minimum requirements are ridiculous for a 3d game
19:27 erlehmann     like *minimum*
19:29 mister-e[m]   yeah, but I was referring to the example of the development blog, as what I envision for the minetest blog. A rundown of who is working on what, and any relevant news
19:29 erlehmann     and how often?
19:29 erlehmann     every 2 weeks?
19:31 mister-e[m]   im going for monthly to start, but depending on my available time to do the editing, and that of any other editors that want to help, and how much news people submit, it could be more often
22:50 * Menchers    randomly brings up the font scaling bug again, cuz it still isn't fixed