Time  Nick          Message
07:41 TomTom        hehe today i discovered that minetest is/can be used for educational purposes in germany. this is the handout (in german): https://www.lmz-bw.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Downloads/Handouts/Minetest/Handreichung_Minetest_LMZ_2021.pdf
07:58 celeron55     lmz-bw.de is a thing run by the ministry of culture, youth and sport in baden-wuttenburg?
07:59 celeron55     and they have made an admin interface called blockalot
08:00 celeron55     that's quite interesting
08:02 MTDiscord     <gpcf> yes, very interesting
08:04 celeron55     i'm going to guess in a few years most european countries will be copying what they're doing
08:04 celeron55     and microsoft will be mad
08:06 celeron55     https://www.lmz-bw.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Bilder/allgemeine_Bilder/minetest.jpg
08:06 celeron55     i love it, there's a screenshot of a donald duck player model on their website
08:06 celeron55     disney will be mad also
08:07 MTDiscord     <gpcf> sadly no advtrains in that paper, so no sweet government cash for me and my friends
08:07 celeron55     interesting to see what happens when MT in education circulates back into my country
08:09 celeron55     microsoft has a head start but any competent state agency will know they'll save enormous amounts of money by just hiring some student to polish in MT what they need
08:11 celeron55     also, the english wikipedia article on Minetest is still up
13:36 MTDiscord     <Jordach> unfortunately for my needs can no longer be met with the engine
13:36 MTDiscord     <Jordach> minetest can handle a lot of punishment
13:37 MTDiscord     <Jordach> however, that comes at the cost of megabits per second of bandwidth use
13:37 MTDiscord     <Jordach> i registered a few spikes up to 16mbps while testing
13:38 Sven_vB       when I'm holding a stack of items, how do I drop just one?
13:52 calcul0n__    Sven_vB, sneak+drop key (shift-q by default)
14:04 Sven_vB       so I cannot safely do it while on the lower end of a ladder? my idea was to drop just one torch down the cave
14:48 calcul0n__    Sven_vB, maybe climb a bit higher and do it very fast :)
14:48 calcul0n__    another option is to split the stack in your inventory, keep one torch in one slot and drop it with q only
14:50 sfan5         you can also do it from the inventory
14:50 sfan5         by rightclicking the are outside of it
14:50 sfan5         (with the stack held)
15:00 Sven_vB       we really need some more modifier keys, so people don't abuse sneak for everything
15:01 Sven_vB       is this just a client-side problem? could we make separate keys for "actually sneak" and "alternate mode whatever (formerly abusing sneak)"?
15:01 celeron55     maybe the player character is just clumsy and that's why he drops from a ladder when trying to sort out his piles of items
15:01 celeron55     8)
15:02 Sven_vB       celeron55, nice try for a lore-based excuse. still I'll continue try and improve the game. :)
15:04 Sven_vB       it's such a nice rough diamond already, would be a pity if we couldn't cut it
19:35 independent56 whats that mod that allows to sell areas with "land for sale" signs?
19:40 independent56 oh wait is "real_estate"
19:41 jluc          https://dev.minetest.net warns me of a security threat !
19:44 Hawk777       Looks like its certificate expired a couple of weeks ago.
19:50 independent56 XD
19:50 independent56 anyways, does "enable_local_mod_X = true" use the directory name or offical mod name?
19:53 celeron55     jluc: i need to do some rework on the server, will take up to some weeks
20:05 luizsabino    Hello, Is there any tutorial to run a server with personal computer? I tried with wiki but it doesn't work
20:28 luizsabino    Hello, I was asked here about tutorial to run server on my pc but I restart and lost chat, anyone answered?
20:29 Hawk777       No, nobody replied. You might get better results if you say something more than just “it doesn’t work”. That doesn’t really tell anyone what went wrong.
20:33 specing       luizsabino: you can access this via matrix, with full history, but noone responded yet: https://matrix.to/#/#minetest:libera.chat?via=libera.chat
20:33 specing       luizsabino: shouldn't be more than ticking host server and opening ports
20:34 luizsabino    Hawk777 I understand. I'm on Kubuntu 21.04 and Minetest 5.4.1, I want to run a server eventually with my students so I setup the conf with port 30000 announce_server as true and number of users. I start at terminal with minetest --server --worldname CAIC World, but I can't see them in server list or typing my ip
20:36 Hawk777       So if you try to connect by IP address, what happens? What error message does the Minetest client give you?
20:37 independent56 https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2021-06-08
20:37 independent56 logs
20:39 independent56 anyways, you need to write "enable_server_announce = true" in your minetest.conf. then set a server name in minetest conf (wiki it up), and it should appear. you need prot forwarding enabled if you wish to make it accessible beyond the router. and typing the IP wotn make it appear, its mainluy a wuestion of luck if it works.
20:39 independent56 wait until the ascii art "minetest" before joining. otherwise you will get a timeout.
20:39 luizsabino    Hawk777 shows error: Connection timed out
20:40 luizsabino    Hawk777 In local network it works, but out not
20:41 Hawk777       And you are using your external IP address when outside the same network?
20:41 Hawk777       Not the internal address?
20:42 independent56 internals begin with "192"
20:42 luizsabino    no, outside starts with 45
20:42 luizsabino    at localnetwork I connect no errors
20:42 Hawk777       If you are using the external address when connecting from outside, and it works from inside but not outside, it sounds like your port forwarding is not set up correctly.
20:43 independent56 try visiting your router's homepage, then go into firewall and do port forwading on port 30000. do it for the device you are hosting from.
20:44 luizsabino    no I try internal with 127.0.0.1
20:44 independent56 internal wont work outside the network
20:44 Hawk777       That is yet another different case. So, to clarify, have you tried connecting from a second device inside the same network?
20:44 luizsabino    independent56 In router the firewall is off
20:44 Hawk777       127.0.0.1 is not your internal address. It is the loopback address, it only works from the same *computer*, not the same *network*.
20:44 independent56 hmm... yeah try looking for port forwading in admin settings.
20:45 Hawk777       Your internal address would start with either 192.168, 10, or 172.
20:45 luizsabino    Hawk777 I tried with smartphone
20:45 independent56 haha yeah, got confused between 172 and 127.
20:46 luizsabino    hahaha yes, 127 I used at pc, from smartphone I used 192
20:46 Hawk777       You must not have connected to 127.0.0.1 with your smartphone. That would only have worked if the server were running *on the phone*. So can you please explain exactly what you tested (server is running on a computer, smartphone was connected to the same network, and which IP address you typed in the phone)?
20:46 Hawk777       OK, that makes sense.
20:46 Hawk777       You will need to set up port forwarding using the 192 address.
20:46 Hawk777       Then you should be able to connect from outside using the 45 address.
20:48 luizsabino    I set from ufw the ports 80 and 30000
20:48 independent56 if you're gettign confused, remember that networking is a horribly complicated subject. its alright. i am always asking myself "what the fuck am i meant/am to do?"
20:49 Hawk777       UFW is a firewall on your computer, isn’t it? Port forwarding is done in your router, not on your computer.
20:49 luizsabino    independent56 haha yes it's a complicated subject
20:51 independent56 i am always screaming at the computer. i am currently shouting at XAMPP for apache not starting/stopping their way (i got apache to work, but not XAMPP? what the fuck??)
20:53 independent56 oh and also, be careful with home-hosting. you //might// expose your network to security issues. and my network is much slower ow that i am running a server. and the server lags.
20:53 Hawk777       To clarify: don’t undo the UFW configuration. You will need both.
20:55 luizsabino    independent56 yes, your right. I'll use with some students and the ip is dinamic I can refresh
20:56 luizsabino    I do a print from router I do something there https://imgur.com/a/4qVbkbO
20:56 independent56 i am not knowladgable in this topic, but i think that extra players will reduce the share of bandwith. this way, 2 players make the server run hald as quickly, 3 a  third, 5 a thift... so on
20:57 Hawk777       That looks right to me, assuming 192.168.0.108 is your computer’s IP address (i.e. the same address that you used on your phone when you were able to connect).
20:57 luizsabino    independent56 :-O  oh my! It's very slowly
20:57 independent56 here is my config page https://imgur.com/a/B7T9v0Q
20:57 independent56 it is horribly made
20:58 Hawk777       I think you only need TCP; I don’t think Minecraft uses UDP. But no real harm in enabling both.
20:58 independent56 but it does the job
20:58 luizsabino    Hawk777 yes, in smartphone I connect in, it's ok
20:59 luizsabino    But outside doesn't work
21:00 sfan5         Hawk777: wrong way around
21:00 Hawk777       Whoops, I meant Minetest.
21:00 Hawk777       Yeah I know Minecraft uses UDP.
21:00 Hawk777       But I think Minetest is TCP?
21:01 sfan5         nah, it would've been correct that way
21:01 sfan5         Minecraft uses only TCP (as far as I know), Minetest uses only UDP
21:01 Hawk777       Oh OK. Thanks. I play both so easy to get confused.
21:01 independent56 i use ssh >:->
21:01 Hawk777       luizsabino: I wonder if that might be the wrong page. Can you show me what the NAT Mapping page looks like?
21:02 Hawk777       It’s possible the page you showed is actually for preventing outbound connections from machines inside the network, not for allowing inbound connections.
21:02 luizsabino    Hawk777 yes, just a minute
21:03 Hawk777       That’s what the MAC Filter and URL Filter tabs would suggest, so the IP/Port Filter might be the same.
21:03 sfan5         yeah "ip filtering" sounds like the wrong page
21:04 luizsabino    Hawk777 it's empty, I should add minetest conf?
21:04 Hawk777       I have no idea what it looks like, but if it looks reasonable, then yeah, I would try adding 30000 UDP to your computer’s IP there. And if that works, you should remove it from the other page, since otherwise it might prevent you from connecting from your computer to other Minetest servers on the Internet.
21:05 luizsabino    sfan5 Should Idelete this conf?
21:05 sfan5         yes
21:10 luizsabino    I'll reboot router. I back soon
22:08 luizsabino    sorry, I had a trouble, I'm back Hawk777 sfan5
22:10 luizsabino    I setup the router with NAT, please see the print https://imgur.com/8opqcsG
22:10 Hawk777       That’s port 80, not 30000.
22:11 luizsabino    but although that it not work
22:11 Hawk777       You want 30000 for Minetest.
22:12 luizsabino    I'll change
22:15 luizsabino    :-/  no I get the error Connection timed out
22:16 luizsabino    external and internal port has been the same, right?
22:17 Hawk777       Yes.
22:17 Hawk777       If you restarted your router, you made sure that your internal and external IP addresses didn’t change, right?
22:18 luizsabino    I'll restart again
22:19 luizsabino    but they change, I update on minetest and smartphone
22:20 luizsabino    * changed and updated, on the past, sorry
22:21 Hawk777       When you got the connection timed out, using the external IP address, were you trying to connect from inside the network or outside?
22:22 Hawk777       E.g. if you tried from your phone, was it connected to your own network’s wifi, or was it connected to a different network (cellular data or something)?
22:23 luizsabino    Hawk777 yes, I turn off wi-fi connection on smartphone and connect with data
22:24 Hawk777       Have you checked whether you can connect to other Minetest servers using data connection?
22:24 Hawk777       Also, after changing your router settings, have you checked that you can still connect from inside the network?
22:24 luizsabino    no, let me try
22:27 luizsabino    yes, I do
22:27 luizsabino    I connect in SurvivalGo
22:28 Hawk777       And connecting to your server from inside the network still works too?
22:33 luizsabino    yes, from 192...
22:37 Hawk777       I don’t know then. That Virtual Server tab looks like the right place to set things up, to me.
22:40 luizsabino    it's complicated,but thank you Hawk777