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TomTom |
hehe today i discovered that minetest is/can be used for educational purposes in germany. this is the handout (in german): https://www.lmz-bw.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Downloads/Handouts/Minetest/Handreichung_Minetest_LMZ_2021.pdf |
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celeron55 |
lmz-bw.de is a thing run by the ministry of culture, youth and sport in baden-wuttenburg? |
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celeron55 |
and they have made an admin interface called blockalot |
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celeron55 |
that's quite interesting |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> yes, very interesting |
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celeron55 |
i'm going to guess in a few years most european countries will be copying what they're doing |
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celeron55 |
and microsoft will be mad |
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celeron55 |
https://www.lmz-bw.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Bilder/allgemeine_Bilder/minetest.jpg |
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celeron55 |
i love it, there's a screenshot of a donald duck player model on their website |
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celeron55 |
disney will be mad also |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> sadly no advtrains in that paper, so no sweet government cash for me and my friends |
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celeron55 |
interesting to see what happens when MT in education circulates back into my country |
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celeron55 |
microsoft has a head start but any competent state agency will know they'll save enormous amounts of money by just hiring some student to polish in MT what they need |
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celeron55 |
also, the english wikipedia article on Minetest is still up |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> unfortunately for my needs can no longer be met with the engine |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> minetest can handle a lot of punishment |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> however, that comes at the cost of megabits per second of bandwidth use |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> i registered a few spikes up to 16mbps while testing |
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Sven_vB |
when I'm holding a stack of items, how do I drop just one? |
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calcul0n__ |
Sven_vB, sneak+drop key (shift-q by default) |
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Sven_vB |
so I cannot safely do it while on the lower end of a ladder? my idea was to drop just one torch down the cave |
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calcul0n__ |
Sven_vB, maybe climb a bit higher and do it very fast :) |
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calcul0n__ |
another option is to split the stack in your inventory, keep one torch in one slot and drop it with q only |
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sfan5 |
you can also do it from the inventory |
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sfan5 |
by rightclicking the are outside of it |
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sfan5 |
(with the stack held) |
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Sven_vB |
we really need some more modifier keys, so people don't abuse sneak for everything |
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Sven_vB |
is this just a client-side problem? could we make separate keys for "actually sneak" and "alternate mode whatever (formerly abusing sneak)"? |
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celeron55 |
maybe the player character is just clumsy and that's why he drops from a ladder when trying to sort out his piles of items |
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celeron55 |
8) |
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Sven_vB |
celeron55, nice try for a lore-based excuse. still I'll continue try and improve the game. :) |
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Sven_vB |
it's such a nice rough diamond already, would be a pity if we couldn't cut it |
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independent56 |
whats that mod that allows to sell areas with "land for sale" signs? |
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independent56 |
oh wait is "real_estate" |
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jluc |
https://dev.minetest.net warns me of a security threat ! |
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Hawk777 |
Looks like its certificate expired a couple of weeks ago. |
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independent56 |
XD |
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independent56 |
anyways, does "enable_local_mod_X = true" use the directory name or offical mod name? |
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celeron55 |
jluc: i need to do some rework on the server, will take up to some weeks |
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luizsabino |
Hello, Is there any tutorial to run a server with personal computer? I tried with wiki but it doesn't work |
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luizsabino |
Hello, I was asked here about tutorial to run server on my pc but I restart and lost chat, anyone answered? |
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Hawk777 |
No, nobody replied. You might get better results if you say something more than just “it doesn’t work”. That doesn’t really tell anyone what went wrong. |
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specing |
luizsabino: you can access this via matrix, with full history, but noone responded yet: https://matrix.to/#/#minetest:libera.chat?via=libera.chat |
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specing |
luizsabino: shouldn't be more than ticking host server and opening ports |
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luizsabino |
Hawk777 I understand. I'm on Kubuntu 21.04 and Minetest 5.4.1, I want to run a server eventually with my students so I setup the conf with port 30000 announce_server as true and number of users. I start at terminal with minetest --server --worldname CAIC World, but I can't see them in server list or typing my ip |
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Hawk777 |
So if you try to connect by IP address, what happens? What error message does the Minetest client give you? |
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independent56 |
https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2021-06-08 |
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independent56 |
logs |
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independent56 |
anyways, you need to write "enable_server_announce = true" in your minetest.conf. then set a server name in minetest conf (wiki it up), and it should appear. you need prot forwarding enabled if you wish to make it accessible beyond the router. and typing the IP wotn make it appear, its mainluy a wuestion of luck if it works. |
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independent56 |
wait until the ascii art "minetest" before joining. otherwise you will get a timeout. |
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luizsabino |
Hawk777 shows error: Connection timed out |
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luizsabino |
Hawk777 In local network it works, but out not |
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Hawk777 |
And you are using your external IP address when outside the same network? |
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Hawk777 |
Not the internal address? |
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independent56 |
internals begin with "192" |
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luizsabino |
no, outside starts with 45 |
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luizsabino |
at localnetwork I connect no errors |
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Hawk777 |
If you are using the external address when connecting from outside, and it works from inside but not outside, it sounds like your port forwarding is not set up correctly. |
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independent56 |
try visiting your router's homepage, then go into firewall and do port forwading on port 30000. do it for the device you are hosting from. |
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luizsabino |
no I try internal with 127.0.0.1 |
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independent56 |
internal wont work outside the network |
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Hawk777 |
That is yet another different case. So, to clarify, have you tried connecting from a second device inside the same network? |
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luizsabino |
independent56 In router the firewall is off |
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Hawk777 |
127.0.0.1 is not your internal address. It is the loopback address, it only works from the same *computer*, not the same *network*. |
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independent56 |
hmm... yeah try looking for port forwading in admin settings. |
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Hawk777 |
Your internal address would start with either 192.168, 10, or 172. |
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luizsabino |
Hawk777 I tried with smartphone |
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independent56 |
haha yeah, got confused between 172 and 127. |
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luizsabino |
hahaha yes, 127 I used at pc, from smartphone I used 192 |
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Hawk777 |
You must not have connected to 127.0.0.1 with your smartphone. That would only have worked if the server were running *on the phone*. So can you please explain exactly what you tested (server is running on a computer, smartphone was connected to the same network, and which IP address you typed in the phone)? |
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Hawk777 |
OK, that makes sense. |
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Hawk777 |
You will need to set up port forwarding using the 192 address. |
| 20:46 |
Hawk777 |
Then you should be able to connect from outside using the 45 address. |
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luizsabino |
I set from ufw the ports 80 and 30000 |
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independent56 |
if you're gettign confused, remember that networking is a horribly complicated subject. its alright. i am always asking myself "what the fuck am i meant/am to do?" |
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Hawk777 |
UFW is a firewall on your computer, isn’t it? Port forwarding is done in your router, not on your computer. |
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luizsabino |
independent56 haha yes it's a complicated subject |
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independent56 |
i am always screaming at the computer. i am currently shouting at XAMPP for apache not starting/stopping their way (i got apache to work, but not XAMPP? what the fuck??) |
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independent56 |
oh and also, be careful with home-hosting. you //might// expose your network to security issues. and my network is much slower ow that i am running a server. and the server lags. |
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Hawk777 |
To clarify: don’t undo the UFW configuration. You will need both. |
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luizsabino |
independent56 yes, your right. I'll use with some students and the ip is dinamic I can refresh |
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luizsabino |
I do a print from router I do something there https://imgur.com/a/4qVbkbO |
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independent56 |
i am not knowladgable in this topic, but i think that extra players will reduce the share of bandwith. this way, 2 players make the server run hald as quickly, 3 a third, 5 a thift... so on |
| 20:57 |
Hawk777 |
That looks right to me, assuming 192.168.0.108 is your computer’s IP address (i.e. the same address that you used on your phone when you were able to connect). |
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luizsabino |
independent56 :-O oh my! It's very slowly |
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independent56 |
here is my config page https://imgur.com/a/B7T9v0Q |
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independent56 |
it is horribly made |
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Hawk777 |
I think you only need TCP; I don’t think Minecraft uses UDP. But no real harm in enabling both. |
| 20:58 |
independent56 |
but it does the job |
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luizsabino |
Hawk777 yes, in smartphone I connect in, it's ok |
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luizsabino |
But outside doesn't work |
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sfan5 |
Hawk777: wrong way around |
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Hawk777 |
Whoops, I meant Minetest. |
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Hawk777 |
Yeah I know Minecraft uses UDP. |
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Hawk777 |
But I think Minetest is TCP? |
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sfan5 |
nah, it would've been correct that way |
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sfan5 |
Minecraft uses only TCP (as far as I know), Minetest uses only UDP |
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Hawk777 |
Oh OK. Thanks. I play both so easy to get confused. |
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independent56 |
i use ssh >:-> |
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Hawk777 |
luizsabino: I wonder if that might be the wrong page. Can you show me what the NAT Mapping page looks like? |
| 21:02 |
Hawk777 |
It’s possible the page you showed is actually for preventing outbound connections from machines inside the network, not for allowing inbound connections. |
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luizsabino |
Hawk777 yes, just a minute |
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Hawk777 |
That’s what the MAC Filter and URL Filter tabs would suggest, so the IP/Port Filter might be the same. |
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sfan5 |
yeah "ip filtering" sounds like the wrong page |
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luizsabino |
Hawk777 it's empty, I should add minetest conf? |
| 21:04 |
Hawk777 |
I have no idea what it looks like, but if it looks reasonable, then yeah, I would try adding 30000 UDP to your computer’s IP there. And if that works, you should remove it from the other page, since otherwise it might prevent you from connecting from your computer to other Minetest servers on the Internet. |
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luizsabino |
sfan5 Should Idelete this conf? |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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I'll reboot router. I back soon |
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luizsabino |
sorry, I had a trouble, I'm back Hawk777 sfan5 |
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luizsabino |
I setup the router with NAT, please see the print https://imgur.com/8opqcsG |
| 22:10 |
Hawk777 |
That’s port 80, not 30000. |
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luizsabino |
but although that it not work |
| 22:11 |
Hawk777 |
You want 30000 for Minetest. |
| 22:12 |
luizsabino |
I'll change |
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luizsabino |
:-/ no I get the error Connection timed out |
| 22:16 |
luizsabino |
external and internal port has been the same, right? |
| 22:17 |
Hawk777 |
Yes. |
| 22:17 |
Hawk777 |
If you restarted your router, you made sure that your internal and external IP addresses didn’t change, right? |
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luizsabino |
I'll restart again |
| 22:19 |
luizsabino |
but they change, I update on minetest and smartphone |
| 22:20 |
luizsabino |
* changed and updated, on the past, sorry |
| 22:21 |
Hawk777 |
When you got the connection timed out, using the external IP address, were you trying to connect from inside the network or outside? |
| 22:22 |
Hawk777 |
E.g. if you tried from your phone, was it connected to your own network’s wifi, or was it connected to a different network (cellular data or something)? |
| 22:23 |
luizsabino |
Hawk777 yes, I turn off wi-fi connection on smartphone and connect with data |
| 22:24 |
Hawk777 |
Have you checked whether you can connect to other Minetest servers using data connection? |
| 22:24 |
Hawk777 |
Also, after changing your router settings, have you checked that you can still connect from inside the network? |
| 22:24 |
luizsabino |
no, let me try |
| 22:27 |
luizsabino |
yes, I do |
| 22:27 |
luizsabino |
I connect in SurvivalGo |
| 22:28 |
Hawk777 |
And connecting to your server from inside the network still works too? |
| 22:33 |
luizsabino |
yes, from 192... |
| 22:37 |
Hawk777 |
I don’t know then. That Virtual Server tab looks like the right place to set things up, to me. |
| 22:40 |
luizsabino |
it's complicated,but thank you Hawk777 |
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