Time  Nick            Message
03:33 Swift110-mobile lol
05:50 Menchers        lol, this channel's still here
05:51 Menchers        suggests that the recent removal of tons of channels was pretty much just grepping for "libera" in channel topics
05:52 bigfoot547      hah yeah one quick alis query
05:58 BrBridge        06<r​iff-IRC> ya
06:00 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> what's the thing here? has the discord been griefed?
06:00 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> 0_0
06:01 MTDiscord       <Benrob0329> ?
06:01 Menchers        freenode's gotten griefed   D:
06:01 Menchers        #minetest didn't get hit this time
06:02 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> phew, at least discord hasnt lost years of archived information
06:08 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> one question: can i use my archived data from the client how i like? pastebinning stuff i want to preserve?
06:10 BrBridge        13<t​hmh> there's already a public log https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2021-05-26
06:11 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> haha yay!
06:11 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> so that means i can pastebing >:->
06:11 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> (bing is not a bin, its a spelling error. remove the g)
06:12 BrBridge        13<t​hmh> pastebing is microsoft's competing service
06:13 BrBridge        10<c​heapie> Maybe PasteBing is like Pastebin but makes this noise at random: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fq6qFwcK0U&t=12s
06:17 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> and pastegoogle takes all the pastes you make, extracts data from them, ands sells it to advertisers.
06:18 BrBridge        10<c​heapie> And PastePasteGo at least claims to be better than that but never really shows you what you're looking for to begin with?
06:18 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> duckduckpaste has an auto-burn of one hour, and it's search function isnt that great (in comparison to pastegoogle's, wich always gives you what you're thinking - "bannana paste" ends up with "reasons your lover  dosent love you")
06:18 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> i was typing first!#
06:20 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> this day, but  2013: https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2013-05-26
06:20 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> shows you what wa sgoing on ~8 years ago.
06:22 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2012-06-29
06:22 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> from when the log began
06:22 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> cool
06:23 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> im at gmt+1. BST ist cool?
06:26 MTDiscord       <Benrob0329> Am I the only one who actually has more trouble getting what I want from Google than DuckDuckGo?
06:27 MTDiscord       <Benrob0329> Maybe I just know DDG's engine better than Google's to the point that it makes a difference
06:27 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> i have no trouble with either of them
06:28 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> they both give results. finding your result in a sea of bad ones was always a part of search results.
15:23 BrBridge        05<G​reenXenith> Ping
15:23 BrBridge        08<M​TDiscord> <GreenXenith> Pong
16:26 BrBridge        03<B​enrob0329> test
16:26 benrob0329      perfect
16:28 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> results inconclusive :P
16:31 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> *however they lean towards test sucess but are not statistical significant
16:32 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> heh
16:35 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> nope
16:35 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> no +V for you
16:35 BrBridge        11<s​fan5> this isn't -hub
16:35 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> but you can have a +v at least :D
16:35 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> oops
16:35 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> heh
16:35 BrBridge        11<s​fan5> I thought +m was removed from -hub anyway?
16:35 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> well he STILL can't have +V  :)
16:36 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> It would seem there is no +m in -hub here
16:37 BrBridge        14<H​awk777> Hey folks, just checking, is the plan here that the bridge will remain in place long-term, or at least until nobody visits Freenode any more? I’m trying to decide whether I should remain in both channels (and get duplicate messages) or only this one (and potentially miss chat on Freenode should the bridge be shut down at some point).
16:37 BrBridge        11<s​fan5> just stay here
16:37 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> freenode is dead, it just hasn't stopped twitching
16:37 BrBridge        14<H​awk777> Haha sounds good.
16:38 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> The bridge doesn't cost me anything extra to run, so it'll stay around until it can't anymore
16:38 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> not sure I recommend that, benrob0329
16:39 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> freenode's gestapo is kinda going full retard on old channels...
16:41 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> I mean, sure, but I don't think that bridges are against policy, otherwise the Matrix bridge would get shut down. Besides, if the bot gets banned that just means it's time to never look back :P
16:44 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> Is there an API for the logs? Or do I have to scrape the HTML?
16:44 BrBridge        15<S​okomine> VanessaE: can't withhold the letter V from someone! now benrob0329 has to write all words starting with v in lowercase (luckily that is no big probelm in english and chat :))
16:44 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> heh
16:45 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> If a staff decision is made to remove it I will, but I'm willing to leave it up as long as possible as well
16:45 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> (I'd like to have the full history available in Thunderbird)
16:45 BrBridge        06<s​ofar> please stop connecting to freenode entirely
16:45 BrBridge        06<s​ofar> the faster people leave the better for everyone here
16:45 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> Sokomine: Well, I guess I'll have to call vanessaE vE from now on
16:45 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> heh
16:46 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> yeas!
16:46 BrBridge        15<S​okomine> benrob0329: thanks for that!
16:46 IceDragon       ah, since I'm stranded here, where does channe live now?
16:46 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> yay, lowerCamelCase :D
16:46 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> yeah, just AKICK the old channels and ditch the relay.
16:46 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> it's over, really.
16:46 BrBridge        11<s​fan5> @appguru there is not, the best you get is a plaintext version; and I doubt you *really* want the full history avaialble
16:46 BrBridge        11<s​fan5> you can be sure the public logs won't be going away
16:46 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> I​ceDragon irc.libera.chat #minetest
16:46 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> I am sure that they won't be going away
16:47 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> I really want the full history however
16:47 IceDragon       Thanks a bunch VanessaE
16:47 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> yw.
16:47 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> Probably won't stuff it on my SSD tho :P
16:47 BrBridge        11<s​fan5> it's 570MB on disk
16:48 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> Oh that's acceptable
16:48 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> The only reason to relay to freenode is matrix support
16:48 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> so relay to a relay?
16:48 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> Couldn't the Matrix relay be configured to relay to Libera?
16:48 BrBridge        11<I​ceDragon> wasn't the internet always just relays though?
16:48 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> No
16:49 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> Internet Relay Chat ;)
16:49 BrBridge        15<S​okomine> btw, has anyone a solution to my formspec dropdown vs. scroll container problem? scrolling scrolls the dropdown if the mouse is still there...but in this case ought to scroll the scroll container unless clicked...
16:49 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> tell matrix users to get real IRC clients then
16:49 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> Because freenode runs them and the matrix channels are freenode irc named
16:49 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> it's not like Hexchat takes a lot of space or bandwidth
16:49 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> *Matrix.org runs them
16:49 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> Tell irc users to vet out of the darkages
16:49 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> *get
16:50 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> Ok, i stand corrected then
16:50 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> But I can set up some Matrix rooms and point BrBridge to them
16:50 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> Isnt matrix working on libera support tho?
16:51 BrBridge        15<S​okomine> no, won't use discord. it's horrible. such a bloated program to get something that is *less* convenient than an irc client...no
16:51 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> As long as the relay to freenode works not much purpose
16:51 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> I can see why people won't use Discord
16:51 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> But a main advantage is definitely the message history
16:51 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> coughs in matrix
16:51 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> In IRC you have to roll your own logging
16:51 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> And bouncer
16:51 * BrBridge      07<b​enrob0329> looks at IRCv3's CHATHISTORY spec
16:52 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> oh there is?
16:52 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> does Libera support it?
16:52 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> THere's been the batch type for marking it for a while now, and there's a draft spec for a command to specifically request logs.
16:52 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> And Libera is about as on-the-ball for IRCv3 stuff as Freenode was
16:53 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> i just set it up
16:53 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> logger56 is the logging account
16:53 BrBridge        11<s​fan5> we don't need a second log here
16:53 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> You don't need one
16:53 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> That's why I'm planning on leveraging the existing logs :)
16:53 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> he is an old netbook. and a 20:50 every night, he packages up the chat. and at 21:00, my main gets it via scp.
16:54 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> i dont need one. correct. but i do liek having a private log
16:54 BrBridge        11<J​onathon> Why not just wget irc.minetest.net
16:54 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> Mirroring the public logs is way more convenient IMO
16:54 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> it was a fun project
16:54 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> and still is fun
16:54 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> Libera doesn't even support message tags, which are not really new at this point and allow nice new features
16:55 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> adv_chat parses message tags properly :)
16:55 BrBridge        11<a​ppguru> it just has no use for them currently
16:55 BrBridge        14<S​oni> when's opting-out of BrBridge but not MTDiscord gonna be a thing?
16:55 BrBridge        11<s​fan5> as soon as BrBridge disappears ;)
16:56 BrBridge        14<S​oni> why does [off] apply to both
16:56 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> See https://github.com/solanum-ircd/solanum/issues/167 if you want to support Libera gettings message tags
16:57 BrBridge        15<S​okomine> what are message tags for? what's needed is normal chat and something like /me. if that's there chat can commence. ok, and /msg
16:58 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> Message tags don't replace CTCP (yet) but they provide a standard (and compatible thanks to capability negotiation) way of adding metadata to messages
16:59 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> So things like message IDs, reactions, replies, and edits, as well as marking netsplits and chat history all become fairly trivial with them
17:01 BrBridge        15<S​okomine> ah, ok
17:02 BrBridge        08<B​ombo> hi
17:07 BrBridge        13<b​dju> are both minetest channels still being used for now then?
17:07 BrBridge        13<b​dju> oh they're bridged
17:15 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> here is an excuse: i am logging incase the original logs are gone. or they are editied. or they are made innacessible by poor administration.
17:16 BrBridge        11<I​ceDragon> nothing is stopping admins from booting the logging user though
17:21 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> IceDragon: true. but i dont think they will, as i am logging on this account. default behaviour for many clients
17:25 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> whats happening here?
17:25 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> my logwebbook is streaming banned users
17:25 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> wow wtf
17:26 BrBridge        11<l​ogger56> at least it's stopped
17:26 BrBridge        11<l​ogger56> all of them are IP bans
17:28 BrBridge        14<S​oni> we take it someone moved bans over?
17:28 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> probably
17:28 BrBridge        07<b​enrob0329> Correct
17:29 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> good
17:30 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> at least it wasnt my logger being banned
17:30 BrBridge        10<V​anessaE> yeah they're just importing the ban list from fn
17:30 BrBridge        15<a​lket> chat logs?
17:30 BrBridge        07<i​ndependent56> yay!
17:42 Panquesito7     hi guys :)
17:43 hlqkj           o/
18:02 sfan5           !op
18:04 sfan5           !op
18:24 Helenah         So... how many more channels am I going to have to keep joining on here!
18:24 Helenah         Oh and hi! :3
18:26 * sfan5         waves
18:38 est31           hi
18:38 sfan5           hello
18:38 * est31         waves at sfan5
18:39 VanessaE        a wild est31 appears!
18:39 est31           :)
18:40 * twoelk        waves goodbye to the old channel
18:40 twoelk          o/
18:41 twoelk          \o
18:41 est31           freenode broke my bouncer config for some reason
18:41 sofar           nothing like freenode bringing back together good old friends
18:42 est31           I don't know what the problem is and I dont think I want to debug it at this point
18:42 Conrad          est31: Freenode breaks a lot of things :D
18:42 est31           indeed
18:43 Conrad          Can't even get op in my channel anymore
18:43 Conrad          I figure the only way to shut down the channel is to mention Libera a bunch of times.
18:43 est31           lol
18:43 est31           l*bera
18:43 Conrad          Then the freenode nazis will join and take over
18:44 VanessaE        ..and scream about freeze peach :P
18:45 twoelk          ugh, now I keep thinking of peach flvor icecream
18:45 twoelk          *flavor
18:45 Conrad          peach flavor anything is overrated
18:47 * Conrad        sings Libera to the tune of the Liberty Mutual jingle
18:54 MTDiscord       <Jordach> it really should've been called liberia chat but there we go
18:56 Conrad          My brother kept typing irc.liberia.net. I figured I'd let him figure out what he'd botched up.
18:56 sfan5           i've made the same mistake a couple of times
18:57 Conrad          If you search irc libera on Google, it pulls up a page about IRC (the foundation) and the work they've done in Liberia.
18:58 est31           lol
19:01 MTDiscord       <twoelk> I first thought of Liberace the entertainer
19:04 est31           sofar: :)
19:10 Krock           ping
19:11 x_              \o
19:11 Krock           hi xerox
19:11 independent56   is there a way to get the length of the train using luaATC? my mainline needs 2-wagon trains, oherwise the stationsare too small. summat like "if train_length() == 2 then set_line("passanger") end"
19:18 Krock           independent56: that's a question about black magic. perhaps checking the books (source) yourself will yield quicker answers
19:19 * twoelk        stares at the old dead channel and decides to take a screenshot for history
19:23 independent56   Krock: https://advtrains.de/wiki/doku.php?id=usage:atlatc:api
19:23 independent56   this does not mention of it
19:23 independent56   i wish i could
19:25 Krock           well then, dig into the source code
19:32 MTDiscord       <y5nw> independent56: afaik no
19:33 MTDiscord       <y5nw> would be just #train.trainparts though
19:33 independent56   i'll look into fixing this hole
19:34 independent56   wdym with that "#train.trainparts"?
19:34 MTDiscord       <y5nw> facepalm read the source code and you will figure that out
19:36 independent56   what file should i read?
19:37 MTDiscord       <y5nw> Somewhere in the lua automation directory (I'm reading that as well)
19:44 MTDiscord       <y5nw> Hm, there is the train_length function
19:45 independent56   ohhh! can i have a link?
19:48 MTDiscord       <y5nw> train_length = function() if not train_id then return false end; return #train.trainparts end
19:49 MTDiscord       <y5nw> advtrains_luaautomation/atc_rail.lua:86
19:52 independent56   thats intresting
19:52 independent56   lemme test it
19:55 independent56   im adding this to the wiki!
20:03 independent56   what do you think?
20:03 independent56   https://advtrains.de/wiki/doku.php?id=usage:atlatc:api&do=diff
20:08 independent56   <@603283606894280704>
20:11 MTDiscord       <y5nw> independent56: "wagon" is not a length unit like meter or inch
20:12 independent56   oh... you fix it (thats the way wikis work) /qj
20:16 independent56   thx
20:28 independent56   https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/826159362225209406/847209602546532362/Screenshot_from_2021-05-26_21-26-25.png?width=1081&height=608
20:28 independent56   advtrains is great for meat farms
20:38 logger56        independent56:
20:39 logger56        fucking hell thats horrible
20:39 logger56        i wish i wssnt cursed to share the same body s 56independent
20:58 independent56   wait
20:58 logger56        why did you do that thunderbird?
21:29 loofer          What is the difference between minetest.net and minetest.org
21:30 \               minetest.org isn't an official website, AFAIK
21:30 calcul0n        loofer, minetest.net is the real one, the other should not be trusted
21:31 calcul0n        (the real answer is a long story :)
21:31 \               hah, just scrolled to the bottom and saw oldcoder's name
21:32 loofer          Okay,  I think minetest.org said something about minetest final being better than minetest 5.0
21:32 sfan5           the software offered by the other website is a fork of an outdated state of Minetest; the person running the other site is no longer part of our community due to continued threats and personal harassment
21:32 sfan5           that's about as short as it gets while covering all you need to know
21:33 loofer          Ok, thanks!