Time Nick Message 00:03 swift110 how are you Verticen and specing 00:04 Verticen not bad. 00:04 swift110 good to hear 12:19 Aris oh, that 12:19 Aris that's a fun bug 12:20 Aris lava won't flow north or east if there's flowing water a block out, I guess it decides that it's not worth it 12:21 Aris but it will still flow south or west 12:53 erlehmann engine-wise, why i anticheat so bad at its job? 12:53 erlehmann like it does not prevent flying 12:53 erlehmann but it does prevent people using trampoline from high up 12:54 erlehmann because once they bounce up they exceed the speed limit 12:54 erlehmann is there some technical constraint? 13:03 specing erlehmann: because the engine has a speed anticheat, but not a fly one 13:05 erlehmann specing ok but speed anticheat is *really* bad 13:05 erlehmann like even very simple piston machines trigger it 13:05 specing really? Never noticed 13:05 erlehmann or, as i said, bouncing on a trampolining blck 13:06 erlehmann like go up a few hundred nodes, fall on, say a mineclone2 slime block (80% bouncy) 13:06 erlehmann on your way up the anticheat will kick in and ruin it 13:07 erlehmann specing well players can get pushed by pistons, which is basically instantaneously. time it right and you exceed the speed limit. 13:07 erlehmann specing the problem is anticheat having no idea if it is a legitimate game mechanic that lead to this 13:07 erlehmann i would kinda think that if pistons can push players its a bit stupid to then say it was too fast 13:07 erlehmann after all the piston must have been setup before 13:08 erlehmann and the trampoline thing is just … unfunny 13:09 erlehmann i know of a server where they disabled anticheat because of how horribly bad it affects nearly everything that changes players speed 13:09 erlehmann specing ever tried making a player TNT cannon? if you can survice, you go up really high :D 13:10 erlehmann survive 13:10 specing tbh I don't consider fly/speed/noclip cheating, because I don't consider Minetest a competitive game 13:10 erlehmann specing well it would be in, say, multiplayer puzzles 13:10 erlehmann or parkour 13:11 erlehmann but you mostly ruin your own fun 13:11 specing yes, so why have anticheat at all. It's their own fun that "cheaters" are ruining, after all 13:11 erlehmann specing what would you consider cheating? 13:11 erlehmann well i would like for people to not be able to fill my base with tnt from the other side of the map 13:12 specing I didn't think a lot about what is cheating and what is not 13:12 erlehmann hmm 13:12 erlehmann are dupes cheating 13:13 erlehmann is it cheating to bookban someone 13:13 specing area protection is already enforced server side and works well enough to prevent most n00bs from filling your base with tnt 13:13 erlehmann honestly i think area protection sucks 13:14 erlehmann it makes it impossible to have a commons 13:14 specing a commons? 13:14 specing area protection is a mod, so you can easily fix it 13:14 erlehmann an area that belongs to everyone 13:14 specing wouldn't that be an unprotected area? 13:14 erlehmann also it makes it really hard to place blocks with area protection 13:14 erlehmann i mean it is possible 13:14 erlehmann but annoying 13:15 erlehmann so on catlandia there was once a player who lured ppl to their base 13:15 erlehmann for trades 13:15 erlehmann to kill them 13:15 specing dupes are cheating when there is an economy, if you participate in this economy with dupes 13:15 erlehmann so what i did was /sethome there 13:15 erlehmann and you know, bone blocks still spawn in protected areas 13:15 specing but probably not always, but when you are underpricing others 13:15 erlehmann so i haunted the place 13:16 specing What is a bookban? 13:16 erlehmann throwing items (usually books) at people that makes their client crash or timeout 13:16 erlehmann it is a thing in minecraft 13:16 specing That's an engine issue, then 13:17 erlehmann on 2b2t a group called "the book club" set up machines that threw books at people 13:17 erlehmann and banned like 400 people 13:17 erlehmann ofc the admin also banned the book club members shortly afterwards lol 13:17 specing Does this happen in Minetest? 13:18 erlehmann specing i am pretty sure it is possible if you manage to mess with item meta too much 13:18 erlehmann i was able to generate an enchanted fishing rod with like 184kb of metadata 13:18 specing cool 13:18 erlehmann for comparison, enchanted tools that make clients lag have like 21kb of metadata 13:19 specing iirc I did mess somewhat with writing loooong books with CSMs, but not sure if anything came out of it 13:19 erlehmann oohooo i am interested in that 13:19 erlehmann how to write book with csm 13:19 erlehmann the fact that an enchanted tool needs to save the dig speeds for each node or group means that … 13:20 erlehmann like for efficiency enchant 13:20 erlehmann somehow the code bloats the metadata of the fishing rod with like EVERYTHING 13:20 erlehmann if you manage to get efficiency III on it 13:20 erlehmann so nowadays the metadata gets reduced once you dig a block with it 13:20 specing So it's a badly written mod 13:20 erlehmann like enchanted pickaxes go from 21kb to 2kb 13:20 erlehmann but 13:21 erlehmann you can't dig stuff with a fishing rod 13:21 erlehmann so it can never be fixed once it exists 13:21 erlehmann specing i would argue it is a bad mod AND an engine issue 13:22 specing I can't find any code on book writing, so I guess I just conceptualised doing it 13:22 specing but I can interact with formspecs just fine in other code, so *shrug* 13:26 erlehmann specing i want books with unicode actually 13:26 erlehmann specing but my compose key does not work in minetest 13:26 erlehmann specing how to unicode book 13:26 specing copy from outside 13:47 Aris hmm, does ice turn flowing lava into stone? 13:50 specing It's really cold! 13:50 specing the ice should probably turn to water, though 13:51 Aris yea 13:51 Aris I'm trying to find solution to some of the lava's problems flowing 14:08 specing also make the water evaporate :P 14:54 AntumDeluge Any clue when 5.4.1 when be available in Android app store? 17:18 AntumDeluge I'm trying to update the motorcycle mod to use `get_look_horizontal` instead of the deprecated `get_look_yaw` ( https://github.com/Extex101/motorbike/blob/9527d56/functions.lua#L242 ). But changing the method breaks control. 17:19 AntumDeluge The documentation says that `get_look_horizontal` is "Angle is counter-clockwise from the +z direction." & `get_look_yaw` is "Angle is counter-clockwise from the +x direction." Trying to wrap my brain around this, but math is not my forte. 17:20 AntumDeluge Been looking at some other mods & they straight changed the method without any other modifications. 17:22 AntumDeluge Oh, maybe it's because I didn't also change `set_look_yaw` to `set_look_horizontal` 17:24 AntumDeluge Nope, still broken. 17:54 AntumDeluge Wow, I fixed it through trial & error. I don't understand why it works, but it does. The solution was in line 247 ( https://github.com/Extex101/motorbike/blob/9527d56/functions.lua#L247 ), changing "local rrot = driverlook - rot_steer" to "local rrot = driverlook". 21:40 AntumDeluge Could somebody help me understand how growing farming:seed_wheat & farming:seed_cotton works? I thought I had to place the seeds on wet soil, like veggies & fruits. But they never grew. So I looked at the source code, & it seems they are supposed to be placed on grassy areas. But it won't let me place them. 21:40 AntumDeluge I have farming_plus installed, & I'm wondering if that is affecting it. 21:47 calcul0n AntumDeluge, they must be placed on wet soil, have water nearby and enough light 21:47 calcul0n not sure about farming_plus but iirc it doesn't change anything about that 21:48 AntumDeluge Yes, that is what I had them placed on, we soil in open air where they get light. 21:49 calcul0n also growing it's pretty slow, maybe just be patient :) 21:49 AntumDeluge It's been a couple weeks. 21:49 AntumDeluge https://i.postimg.cc/KFgwS3qj/screenshot-20210507-075404.png 21:50 calcul0n aw 21:50 calcul0n so there's something wrong indeed 21:51 calcul0n could be something broken with an update, you could try to remove all this and plant again 21:53 AntumDeluge I'm using farming from minetest_game v5.4.1. I haven't tried in vanilla (vanilla <- no other mods than minetes_game?). So I think I will do that. If it works there, then another mod I have installed must be interfering. 21:54 calcul0n yes, i suspect something like this too 22:08 AntumDeluge Yep, they are growing in vanilla. Only took a couple minutes for them to start sprouting. 23:24 AntumDeluge Is it normal that my server ignores the "load_mod_" lines in world.mt? 23:26 MTDiscord are your mods in worldmods? 23:26 MTDiscord if so, yes, it ignores world.mt 23:26 AntumDeluge No, they are game mods. 23:26 MTDiscord same thing 23:27 AntumDeluge Okay. Makes sense. 23:27 AntumDeluge Is it possible to temporarily disable a worldmod? Or do I have to remove it? 23:27 MTDiscord no, yes 23:27 AntumDeluge Okay. thanks. 23:28 MTDiscord and re game mods, you can just make a empty init.lua in same dir as a game mod to override it (now this may break stuff in the game and piss the game author when you complain) 23:28 MTDiscord *same dir name in your /mods or /worldmods 23:29 AntumDeluge /mods ? 23:30 MTDiscord or worldmods, yeah 23:30 AntumDeluge Okay. 23:41 Eman108 hey 23:47 Eman108 hey 23:49 Eman108 Can any one hear me