Time  Nick           Message
10:48 MinetestBot    02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Update game APIs for use_texture_alpha deprecation 13aa9cc39 https://git.io/Jtai4 (152021-02-07T10:48:05Z)
10:48 MinetestBot    02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Fix deprecated alpha / use_texture_alpha use 1308b13c9 https://git.io/JtaiB (152021-02-07T10:48:05Z)
10:48 MinetestBot    02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest_game: weather: Fix error caused by missing biomes 13c1b236b https://git.io/JtaiR (152021-02-07T10:48:05Z)
10:50 MinetestBot    02[git] 04numberZero -> 03minetest/minetest: Rewrite touch event conversion (#10636) 134caf156 https://git.io/Jtaiu (152021-02-07T10:48:30Z)
11:28 DrFrankenstone two of those commits reference use_texture_alpha deprecation, what is that, lua_api.txt doesn't say it's deprecated
11:29 sfan5          https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/4caf156be5baf80e6bcdb6797937ffabbe476a0f/doc/lua_api.txt#L7358-L7359
11:30 DrFrankenstone ahh, thanks
11:31 rubenwardy     The change log lists all deprecated things
11:34 DrFrankenstone oh, on the wiki, good to know
12:17 hisforever     Hi I have a pastbin https://pastebin.com/K4nVWHpS   my Mt crashes at startup?
12:17 hisforever     my new OS is Mint 20
12:34 numzero        hisforever: you appear to have weird MT configuration
12:35 numzero        did you configure it to start directly to the game, without main menu?
12:36 hisforever     NO KIDDING nunzreo lol
12:37 numzero        did I misunderstood something? did it show the menu?
12:37 hisforever     no but I'll delete all mods and start over
12:37 numzero        wait
12:37 hisforever     yes I did that
12:38 numzero        ah well
12:38 numzero        basically, there are 2 problems
12:38 numzero        1. it can’t write to the world directory
12:38 numzero        2. there are 2 mods called `lpanes`
12:39 numzero        the latter prevents it from starting the world
12:39 hisforever     ok thanks thats a big help
12:39 numzero        while the former makes it crash afterwards
12:40 numzero        make sure that directory is writable
12:40 hisforever     ok thanks I'll check the mods out thanks again God bless my friend
12:41 hisforever     I have to get blood chart before Mt bue
15:29 MinetestBot    02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Use consistent temp folder path (#10892) 133a8c371 https://git.io/Jtada (152021-02-07T15:27:24Z)
15:42 hisforever     I just switch to Mint v20, I installed mt 5.1.1 How Do I get the latist onto Mint Os?
15:43 rubenwardy     I believe mint is ubuntu based?
15:43 rubenwardy     you can use the official ppa
15:43 rubenwardy     https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
15:43 hisforever     thanks
16:05 MinetestBot    02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Reduce empty translation error to infostream 13857dbcd https://git.io/JtabS (152021-02-07T16:03:48Z)
19:06 mazes_83       hi, I have a world which crashes as soon at it connects, some callbacks are called on one object and checks for param2 which is not defined
19:06 mazes_83       any hints on how to get rid of such error ?
19:07 numzero        logs please
19:07 rubenwardy     I suspected this is the item drop error, this is fixed in 5.4.0
19:08 rubenwardy     what you can do is create a new player (check "host server" and choose a different name)  and then join and run   /clearobjects
19:08 rubenwardy     this will delete all mobs, dropped items, etc
19:08 rubenwardy     alternatively, you could update to 5.4.0 early
19:08 rubenwardy     or backport the fix
19:08 rubenwardy     5.4.0 will be released in the next wek
19:08 sfan5          or apply the patch to builtin, can be done with an ordinary text editor
19:09 rubenwardy     you may have trouble with notepad, which doesn't like \n
19:09 rubenwardy     unless W10 is different
19:14 mazes_83       ok, I already tried to use another player, but he was to close to the other player position
19:15 mazes_83       fortunately, spawn point for new players isn't that close, and clearobject was sufficent
19:16 mazes_83       to update, I'll stick to my distro things, I know for sure gentoo update minetest quite fast (5.3 was in repo less than one week after release)
19:17 mazes_83       thanks for the /clearobjects tip
19:27 mazes_83       and yes I saw the error was with one object "falling", my son plays a lot with installing and testing modules, he was on "lucky_blocks" spawning "loots"
19:46 giov4[m]       Hey, so, I noticed that declaring the global minetest table in a local one (`local minetest = minetest`) improves performances, is perhaps any reason not to do it?
19:47 rubenwardy     none at all
19:47 rubenwardy     putting things in locals is recommended
19:47 rubenwardy     you can also do      local thing = minetest.thing
19:47 rubenwardy     although, note that that can break mod compat if mods override it
19:49 Krock          just don't do it unless you're calling a function a million times per second
19:50 giov4[m]       <Krock "just don't do it unless you're c"> right, thanks
20:07 hisforever     Hi I shure would love to know what I'm doing wrong here is a pastbin https://pastebin.com/XM6wB8TN
20:08 hisforever     My os is Manjaro
20:16 Hawk777        “Unknown node: default:chest” would appear to be a problem. Chests should be part of Minetest Game. Do you have an up-to-date Minetest Game? Mine is in ~/.minetest/games/minetest_game.
20:19 hisforever     yes I have mt 5.3.0
20:19 hisforever     every thing is in the right places
20:21 rubenwardy     Hopper is missing a dep on default
20:23 hisforever     ok so I'll just unstall the hopper
20:23 hisforever     brb
20:25 hisforever     its working now thanks rubenwardy
22:01 Extexo         Is there a way to make to make an ABM require an interaction of 2 blocks with the subject?
22:02 Extexo         So for example when lava source touches both water and acid activate the ABM
22:02 MTDiscord      <12W​arr1024> You can check for neighbors in the ABM registration itself, to be able to require a node to have at least one neighbor.  Anything fancier and you may have to do the check yourself inside the action callback, which has some (usually mild) performance considerations.
22:02 rubenwardy     yeah, I'd have the rarer node - acid - be one of the ABM neighbours
22:03 MTDiscord      <12W​arr1024> Anything you can do to avoid the action function firing at all (i.e. using the rarest nodes for the registration built-in checks) tends to make things run more efficiently.
22:03 Extexo         But how do I make it so it needs 3 things to make the reaction?
22:04 MTDiscord      <12W​arr1024> Use neighbors for the first thing (rarest) and then check the other 2 things in actoin
22:04 Extexo         Ah ok
22:04 Extexo         So there's no built-in way to do it
22:05 MTDiscord      <12W​arr1024> You can even make it so it requires 4 things that way, by using neighbors for the first and checking the other 3 in action
22:05 MTDiscord      <12W​arr1024> Yeah, built-in things don't go all that far with ABMs, you have to use action for quite a bit.
22:06 MTDiscord      <12W​arr1024> It's not too hard to make the action code efficient, so the biggest cost I often find myself paying is the overhead just to have action called at all, since it requires a C++/Lua round trip.
22:06 MTDiscord      <12W​arr1024> (per node)
22:08 Extexo         Ah ok