Time Nick Message 08:11 MiniontobyPI rubenwardy: if possible, plz try to fix ctf, because im Losing Users on the crash 08:42 specing MiniontobyPI: oh no, you are losing users *cry* 09:16 rubenwardy I don't maintain CTF anymore 11:49 FelixActually I don't know why, but movement in Minetest feels... a little off. Does anyone know? 12:01 MTDiscord <06F​lamore> the physics are off 12:01 FelixActually Is that something planned to be fixed? 12:02 specing FelixActually: you mean it should take one hour to mine a 1 m^3 of rock? 12:03 FelixActually I mean walking movement 12:03 MTDiscord <06F​lamore> that's prolly not going to be fixed 12:04 FelixActually How come? 12:05 rubenwardy Movement is heavily subjective 12:05 FelixActually Maybe it is just me, I don't know 12:09 FelixActually Is there a Minetest IRC room which isn't connected to Discord via bridge? 12:09 MTDiscord <06F​lamore> i don't think so 12:09 sfan5 currently the three main channels all have a bridge 12:16 specing I'd also prefer a room not connected to discord 12:16 MTDiscord <13V​ili> Why? 12:16 specing Because I do not agree with discord ToS 12:17 FelixActually Well, here then: #minetest-nd :) 12:18 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> specing: well, this chat is logged anyways and publicly - your messages are publicly available to any scraper 12:18 specing I know, but they aren't owned by any scraper 12:18 specing discord owns your messages 12:18 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> "owns"? 12:18 specing Yes 12:18 FelixActually specing: Join the room I just made if you'd like to 12:19 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> Discord hosts my messages 12:19 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> It doesn't "own" them 12:21 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> specing: you mean this? 12:21 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> "you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display Your Content" 12:22 sfan5 they likely do 12:22 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> they don't exactly own them though 12:22 specing I think so appguru, it has been a while since I looked into discord's ToS 12:22 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> they just get a pretty permissive license 12:22 sfan5 the thing is if the public log had terms they'd look exactly like that 12:22 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> yeah 12:22 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> at least the license granted is nonexclusive 12:22 sfan5 because in theory I too need confirmation that I may host a copy of whatever is written here 12:23 specing Probably not adapt and modify *shrug* 12:23 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> that's probably covered by the Freenode ToS tho? 12:23 sfan5 I guess 12:37 daiNoZord Im still having trouble with the irc mod- secure.trusted isn't allowed so was ignored & undefined symbol "gettop". Does anybody have any ideas? 12:42 sfan5 is luajit enabled in mt? 12:43 freshreplicant[m The unofficial Matrix/Element room is not linked to Discord, I believe. Not quite IRC, but FOSS I guess. 12:43 daiNoZord how to enable it? 12:44 sfan5 I'm not saying enabling will make it work, knowing if it's enabled would help troubleshooting 12:44 rubenwardy The bridge should allow IRC users to opt out 12:45 daiNoZord im not sure - is there a setting in the gui? 12:45 sfan5 that's not a runtime setting, it depends on how your MT was built 12:46 daiNoZord ah I built following the instructions with the source so I think so... 12:47 sfan5 unfortunately there's no portable and easy way to determine it 12:48 sfan5 since you seem to be on linux run ldd bin/minetestserver and see if libluajit-5.1.so (or similar) appears in the output 12:55 daiNoZord ah- it doesn't seem to be on the list. I'' try rebuilding then - thankyou 12:58 sfan5 if you do that you also need to make sure to install luasocket and stuff specifically for luajit not lua 13:41 daiNoZord hey hey! working now - thanks sfan5 17:39 daiNoZord Can multiple entities be applied to a single node? I guess so.. hopefully I'm right in where I'm going with this... 17:40 sfan5 entities have no relation to nodes 17:40 daiNoZord they can be attached? 17:40 Krock no 17:40 Krock nodes don't move so attaching is pointless 17:41 daiNoZord shooter seemed to have an entity attached, or otherwise pinned/related to a node 17:41 daiNoZord turret 17:42 sfan5 the engine doesn't provide means to do this 17:42 sfan5 mods can obviously make an entity act as if it was "one" with a node on their own 17:44 daiNoZord ok, but if a mod can "attach" one entity to a node, can more than one be attached? 17:45 daiNoZord ah maybe i just place one y+1 and one y-1 17:45 sfan5 you can have as many as you want at whatever positions you want 17:45 daiNoZord I'll give it a try :) 17:47 daiNoZord so boat has no node? I cant remember - that blasts my idea out of "the water" al little bit tho. Thought nautilus was a node/entity partnership too. Got some reading to do! 17:51 daiNoZord Ah boat is an entity - Prob wrong about the other one too then 17:53 daiNoZord entity/object/node...this game needs its own section in the dictionary (lol) 17:54 daiNoZord ok - i could add an entity to boat then? 17:54 daiNoZord for example 17:58 daiNoZord or to create a seperate behaviour, add to the existing entity? Think I got it... 18:01 daiNoZord Sounds simple but I over-complicate things in my head 18:02 Krock you can make an entity that looks like a node 18:02 Krock and attach that 18:02 Krock !mod air ship 18:02 MinetestBot Krock: Small airship vehicle [airboat] by paramat - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=20485 - https://github.com/paramat/airboat 18:02 Krock not that 18:03 Krock there's a mod that replaces nodes with entities and allows you to build an air balloon or so 18:08 daiNoZord air ship sounds fun - but I think for what I need the entity is already there so i think changing the model and adding an arrow function to that entity would do what I want it to - for some reason I thought these things were attached to nodes 18:26 Sven_vB hi :) 18:27 Sven_vB do we have a TCP mode in MineTest? 18:27 Sven_vB or any kind of stream-based networking that I could easily sslify? 18:27 Krock TCP only exists for media download from a remote server 18:28 Krock an issue about traffic encryption already exists, but yet no progress there 18:29 sfan5 which usecase are you trying to solve? 18:31 Sven_vB eventually, an HTML5 client, and (separate feature) allow TOR users connect to my server. 18:31 Krock see you in 20 years 18:31 * Krock hides 18:31 Sven_vB both would be easier if I could hook up some standard stream-based proxy stuff to MT 18:32 daiNoZord How was Minetest "born"? I know it's roughly the same age as a certain other voxel game - and that plenty others have followed... and I know that some sections of the community (not me!) would lke to see this as a "clone" of another game, but how did it start? 18:32 daiNoZord Just curious 18:33 Krock started in 2011 and c55 cannot tell the exact point where it started 18:33 Sven_vB I could probably make a UDP-to-TCP proxy on one side, and another on the other side, ideally stripping those header parts that deal with session handling 18:33 rubenwardy lol 18:33 daiNoZord Haha yes I think I remember a conversation about that 18:33 Krock daiNoZord: see non-English wikipedia articles. they generally explain the history quite well 18:33 Sven_vB daiNoZord, I think InfiniMiner is the common ancestor 18:33 Krock or wiki.minetest.net perhaps 18:33 rubenwardy daiNoZord: 2010-10-10 is the celebrated birthday, and it was a project by celeron55 to show off 18:34 rubenwardy leet skillz 18:34 daiNoZord @krock I think i remember a conversation about that too 18:34 Krock daiNoZord: perhaps you asked this previously but forgot the answers? 18:36 daiNoZord @Sven_vB Infiniminer precedes the two? I'll have to look into that. @Rubenwardy Most mods ive seen seem to be circa 2011 so that's gotta be right @Krock I haven't asked b4 - I've just seen what others have discussed. Always been curious tho 18:37 rubenwardy Mod support was only realised in 2012 18:37 Krock why are you @-ing me? this ain't twitter or discord 18:37 daiNoZord dunno. newbie me 18:37 rubenwardy Minecraft predates Minetest. Remember that it was released in alpha first 18:37 Sven_vB Krock, @ in IRC was around long before Twitter 18:38 daiNoZord never played minetest 18:38 Krock Sven_vB: as a operator role, yes. 18:38 Sven_vB @Krock, I've also seen it used as addressing, back in the days. 18:38 Sven_vB well usually with a space in between thoughl @ Krock 18:38 daiNoZord it was a way for me to direct comments without hitting enter repeatedly.... 18:39 Krock I guess then it's up to your IRC client to offer nice autocompletion using that style. I couldn't be bothered typing out names 18:39 Krock (EOF offtopic) 18:42 daiNoZord Personally I use Hexchat - and I'm still figuring it out. IRC can never be off-topic in an IRC channel, can it? "How do I use this service..?" - "Sorry, off-topic.." - .. 18:44 daiNoZord I just realised - I dont use Twitter or Discord either.... Don't know how! Too much hassle to figure out....... got lua stuff to learn........ Ha :) 18:46 daiNoZord *meant never played minecraft - not minetest! Then I'd really be in the wrong place.. 18:49 daiNoZord ok, ok - so I dont "@" anybody again - without "/msg"-ing somebody, how do u send a message to get there attention? like "user:" or"" ..? 18:49 daiNoZord *their not there b4 I get told off for that too 18:51 Hawk777 In my experience any mention of someone’s username, with or without @ prefix, pings them, but it’s fairly rare to do so in IRC compared to other platforms. 18:53 Hawk777 Normally if there’s an ongoing conversation the people involved check the channel somewhat frequently anyway so no need to ping, and if there isn’t an ongoing conversation, people usually just speak to the channel as a whole without pinging anyone and wait for a reply. 18:55 daiNoZord Thanks Hawk777 - I think the mobile app I barely use has notifications when my name is used but i noticed ppl speaking to me just now - their text was a different colour - like yours is white but theirs was green. must have directed a message somehow 18:57 Hawk777 Maybe it just uses a different colour for each person? My client does that for names but not message content, but maybe some do it for the whole line. 18:58 Hawk777 For comparison, daiNoZord, this line should ping you in whatever way your client does so, because I mentioned your name. 18:59 daiNoZord 3 ppl start their communications to me in different ways but their text is bright green - instead of white. Obvs if I ask a question or a subject piques my interest then I'm here as much as possible - but it is interesting how that's done 18:59 daiNoZord Hmm.. I could 7hiya! 18:59 daiNoZord but i dont think thats it at all 19:00 daiNoZord Hawk777 how did u do that? 19:00 daiNoZord Hawk777 how did u do that? 19:00 daiNoZord did that work? 19:01 Hawk777 The lines where you said “how did u do that?” pinged me. 19:01 Hawk777 The line where you said “hiya!” had a different colour of text but didn’t ping me. 19:02 rubenwardy It's classic IRC to derail a conversation due to "ettiqute" 19:02 rubenwardy err, not meaning to accuse anyone of anything 19:02 daiNoZord ok cool - yes i know that wont thats a different thing but u turned my text green simply by putting my name in he text? 19:02 daiNoZord huh? 19:02 rubenwardy Yeah, IRC mentions people by literally typing their name 19:03 rubenwardy is the basic thing 19:03 daiNoZord ah - every day is a school day 19:03 Hawk777 Also doesn’t have to be at the start of the message; the line where you said “Thanks Hawk777” also pinged me. 19:04 rubenwardy I guess it's not actually an IRC feature but an IRC convention due to not having a mention feature. It results in some ambiguities 19:05 rubenwardy like, you don't want to be named a common word 19:05 daiNoZord Aye brilliant! It's good to know :) If I stop learning I'll have nothing else to do.. 19:23 daiNoZord “I choose to learn lua in this context and to try to write my own mods, not because this is easy, but because it is hard, because this goal will serve to organize and measure the best of my energies and skills, because this challenge is one that I am willing to accept, because I cannot afford counselling, and because the results can be fun, too.” 19:24 MTDiscord <09w​war> No one has something else to do other than learning 19:24 MTDiscord <09w​war> Even when u waste time u learn new stuff 19:24 daiNoZord wwar too true 19:28 daiNoZord I know I stole a quote but it almost sounds like a modders oath! 19:29 daiNoZord I might print that off and place it above my monitor, actually... 19:37 MTDiscord <04o​neplustwo> modding is for fun? 19:37 daiNoZord when it works... 19:37 MTDiscord <09w​war> Heheh 19:37 MTDiscord <09w​war> Thats why i never do it :p 19:38 MTDiscord <04o​neplustwo> i thought modding was for fame, power, and a "Contributor" role 19:38 daiNoZord haha 19:38 daiNoZord think u need a pretty cool mod for that lol 20:38 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix Android support in bump_version.sh (#10836) 136693a4b https://git.io/Jtm17 (152021-01-20T20:37:24Z) 21:46 Sven_vB maintainers, what's your opinion on an LD_PRELOAD based approach to hooking accessibility tools onto MT? I could add a small library that has just a few stub functions, which we'd load dynamically and call them at important moments with some useful data. this way we have a very small API surface with a good probability to be stable accross versions. LD_PRELOAD could then be used to override those stub functions to e.g. modify 21:46 Sven_vB toClientCommandTable. 21:47 Sven_vB later we could consider adding our own mechanisms to load dynamic libraries on user request, to make that mechanism available on Windows, too. 22:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zughy -> 03minetest/minetest: Local tab: rename 'Configure' to 'Select Mods' (#10779) 13eb8af61 https://git.io/Jtm7r (152021-01-20T22:32:18Z) 22:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04srifqi -> 03minetest/minetest: Android: Update Gradle, NDK, Build Tools, and SQLite version (#10833) 13cc44943 https://git.io/Jtm7o (152021-01-20T22:31:59Z) 23:42 Anderssen Hi; does anyone know whether there is a minetest map of the White House? 23:52 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Allow "liquid" and "flowingliquid" drawtypes even if liquidtype=none … 137f25823 https://git.io/JtmFD (152021-01-20T23:51:24Z) 23:52 MTDiscord <08a​ppguru> finally custom finite liquid simulation in Lua 23:54 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Improve --version output to include Lua(JIT) version 13d92da47 https://git.io/JtmF9 (152021-01-20T23:52:31Z)