Time  Nick        Message
16:04 tango_      are bones good for anything after serving their intended purpose?
16:05 rubenwardy  good for fertiliser
16:06 tango_      I assume in some mods, not in MTG, correct?
16:07 rubenwardy  yeah
16:08 rubenwardy  !mod [bonemeal
16:08 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Bonemeal [bonemeal] by TenPlus1 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=16446 - https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/bonemeal
16:10 tango_      thanks
17:49 MinetestBot mase: Dec-19 19:45 UTC <cheapie> For the digilines filters I think you can send an ItemStack in table form to get it to attempt to pick the specified item(s). Autocrafters have digilines support too - send a craft recipe as a table to set it, "off"/"on" to stop/start it, "single" to craft once (you can send this way faster than it would otherwise run...), "get_recipe" to check the current recipe. I don't think the sorting tubes
17:50 mase        Hi! Do you have any idea, how I can implement a simple sleep of 1 second in my luacontroller-program? Everything I tried so far gave a timed out error.
18:00 sfan5       don't interrupts have a time delay?
18:20 mase        Yes, they have. But how to wait for an interrupt, without timing out?
18:24 sfan5       you can't wait for an interrupt
18:25 sfan5       you need to structure your code so that the second part runs after the interrupt fires, not by waiting
18:49 mase        I see. But that makes the code much more complicated.
18:53 celeron55   it also enables the code to do something else meanwhile
19:28 mazes_80    just for fun I tested minetest via the zink "opengl over vulkan" driver: the rendering is quite weird, but not to bad
19:28 mazes_80    at least it is totally playable
19:55 sfan5       cool
20:01 Krock       next: direct3d9 in Wine using dxvk
20:43 mase        Does the pipeworks digiline-filter-injector send a message when an item was successfully put out?
20:48 Hawk777     Pretty sure no. It only accepts digilines messages to operate it, no status reporting.
20:54 mase        My problem is, that i use such an injector to request an item from a chest. But I have to know, if the item was put out successfully or not. At the moment I have a digiline detector tube behind the injector. But I have to wait for a moment, if the item runs through the detector or not. Therefor I must have a delay of about a second. Doing this with an interrupt timer ends up in an unreadable code. Any further suggestions?
20:54 Hawk777     Know what’s in the chest ahead of time?
20:55 Hawk777     Can’t say much without knowing the bigger context, really.
20:55 Hawk777     It would be nice if Luacontrollers could create coroutines and stash then in mem, but that would be quite clearly insane because it would make it impossible to save the world to disk (you can’t serialize coroutines).
20:55 Hawk777     Also probably a lot of other reasons.
20:56 Hawk777     So write your code as a state machine. It’s what everyone did in all languages before everyone started adding async/await everywhere.
20:56 Hawk777     And no, it’s not the most beautiful thing in the world.
20:59 mase        No, I don't know, what is in the chest. For example, I request 10 pcs of steel from a chest. When those 10 pcs are present, they run through the detector a second later. So I have to check the event of the detector a second later, until my code continues.
21:02 mase        I want to iterate through all the chests until I get my requested items.
21:06 VanessaE    I believe there's a tube that'll sense when an item passes through it, so if you call for a specific item and it has to pass through one of those, then shouldn't that work?
21:09 mase        I use such a tube. But it takes about a second until the item passes that tube. I want to wait for a second and check the event of the detector-tube. If there was no detection I want to check the next chest, and so on.
21:11 erlehmann   rubenwardy, how to get this mod into the mod directory? https://github.com/Li0nsDickachu/minetest-mod-mntreform
21:11 erlehmann   rubenwardy it was made by a friend of mine who read your book!
21:11 rubenwardy  is that you?
21:11 rubenwardy  oh right
21:11 rubenwardy  well, the website is    https://content.minetest.net
21:11 sfan5       to CDB? just upload it there
21:12 erlehmann   rubenwardy, it is not me
21:12 erlehmann   rubenwardy a friend made it. so how can it show up in game?
21:12 erlehmann   rubenwardy do you need to manually approve it?
21:12 rubenwardy  it needs to be added to that website
21:12 erlehmann   yeah who can do that?
21:12 erlehmann   how
21:13 rubenwardy  anyone can sign up for an account to add packages. If he doesn't want to do it, I can create the package and let you edit it as needed
21:14 VanessaE    mase: if the whole point is counting items going through from A to B, then just count them, don't just sit there polling for the desired result.  rather, check periodically if the count is over some threshold, then turn off whatever routine is periodically operating the injector, and just make sure the recipient can handle a few seconds' worth of excess
21:15 rubenwardy  ContentDB has a database with mod metadata, which is makes available to the Minetest client. Mods go through an approval process before being visible, these is to ensure that the meta is correct rather than enforce curation
21:16 VanessaE    i.e. if you want 10 of something before considering B's "buffer" to be "full", then count separately, shut off the injector routine when the count exceeds 10, and make sure B can handle say 15 of the item.
21:17 VanessaE    or re-think the whole idea - ask yourself why you have to pause after running up a buffer of 10 or whatever
21:18 VanessaE    for example maybe the recipient can become recipient*s*
21:18 VanessaE    one chest+injector feeding a furnace is too much?  feed two furnaces then.
21:18 VanessaE    that kind of thing.  go parallel :)
21:23 Hawk777     mase: An alternative idea, you could request 10 pieces of steel from *all the chests at once*, arrange your pipe network to bring them together into one pipe, and then have a Lua sorting tube that passes the first ten steel and sends any others back to be returned to storage.
21:24 Hawk777     If you definitely need exactly the right amount, and also don’t want to wait to check whether it was present in the first chest before requesting from the second, and also can’t keep a record of what lives where.
21:24 VanessaE    that ^ works too provided you can be 100% sure all chests will always have something to injecyt
21:24 VanessaE    -y
21:24 VanessaE    otherwise you'll occasionally get less than 10
21:26 Hawk777     Yes, there is the possibility that you might not get the number you want, and I think the Lua tube can’t split stacks. One workaround would be to inject one piece ten times with a slight delay (might still be faster than waiting for the detector to work), and then you can pass ten stacks of one each before sending the rest back.
21:27 Hawk777     But there is exact match mode which IIRC doesn’t send the stack at all if there isn’t enough, doesn’t it?
21:27 mase        If the requested amount is not available, I want the maximum possible.
21:27 Hawk777     Ah, but if you have seven in chest A and seven in chest B, you probably want ten, not zero or fourteen, right?
21:27 mase        Exactly.
21:28 Hawk777     Hence you *must* split a stack sometime.
21:29 Hawk777     I suppose you could work iteratively. First request ten from all chests, non-exmatch. Seven will come out of each. The first seven passes through, the next seven gets sent back to storage because it’s too many. Once you’re confident no more is going to reach the lua tube (i.e. that all chests’ stacks have had time to reach that point), you start over but now request three instead of ten. Repeat until you have all you want, o
21:29 Hawk777     hing shows up.
21:30 Hawk777     It would depend on your typical quantities and the length of your tube segments whether that’s faster, or whether it’s faster to just split the stacks into ones right from the start (i.e. request stack-of-one ten times instead of stack-of-ten).
21:30 mase        If I request less than available in one chest, I get nothing.
21:31 Hawk777     AFAICT that should not happen if you’re not in exact match mode.
21:31 Hawk777     Er, sorry, if you request more. If you request less than available, it should split the stack and spit out what you requested.
21:31 erlehmann   rubenwardy, what does this mean? “If you have a forum account, you'll need to prove that you own it to get an account on ContentDB.”
21:31 mase        Ah! Now I got what ex match means.
21:31 rubenwardy  ContentDB accounts are linked to forum accounts, optionally
21:31 Hawk777     If you request *more* than available, exmatch=1 means you get nothing, exmatch=0 means you get whatever is available.
21:32 erlehmann   rubenwardy, thx
21:32 rubenwardy  you can create CDB account and I can link it to the forum account at a later point, it's just less effort to link it from the beginning
21:32 Hawk777     But always only from one stack in the chest’s inventory, I believe—I don’t think the injector will ever pull from more than one inventory slot in a single request.
21:32 rubenwardy  I should write this
21:34 mase        Then your solution requesting from all chests into one and send back the overplus could work.
21:49 tango_      hm is swimming upwards faster than climbing ladders?
21:53 erlehmann   rubenwardy, yes this explanation is more clear. you should write this!
21:54 rubenwardy  "If you have a forum account, you'll need to use prove that you have access to it using one of the options below.
21:54 rubenwardy  This is because ContentDB links accounts to the forums, and reserves the usernames of certain forum users from being taken."
22:01 erlehmann   rubenwardy, certain forum users?
22:04 rubenwardy  forum users with mod topics
22:06 rubenwardy  I suppose  "This is so ContentDB can link your account to your forum account"  would be simpler and less confusing
22:07 rubenwardy  Also, erlehmann, I just got a notification that Li0nsDichachu's email bounced
22:07 rubenwardy  ie: it wasn't able to be sent to confirm the email
22:08 rubenwardy  The error message indicates the either the email address doesn't exist, or the inbox is full
22:27 erlehmann   rubenwardy there was a typo!
22:27 erlehmann   rubenwardy thank you i told them
22:27 rubenwardy  I can edit the email and username if needed
22:28 rubenwardy  should it be k instead of h, like in his username?
22:29 rubenwardy  lol, they registered another account
22:30 rubenwardy  I'll delete the old one
22:45 erlehmann   rubenwardy, to quote my friend “how was i supposed to delete it if i never got the mail?”
22:45 erlehmann   rubenwardy here is Li0n
22:45 Li0n        Hi
22:45 erlehmann   with questions for you!
22:46 Li0n        Thanks erlehmann
22:46 rubenwardy  hey
22:46 Li0n        rubenwardy, I was wodnering if my mod is even allowed to be uploaded, since it seems to break rule number 5
22:47 Li0n        Have you seen the mod or should I explain why I'm not sure?
22:47 rubenwardy  just checking it
22:49 rubenwardy  looks like the mod is about a real laptop. Rule 5 is to prevent patreon/paypal/whatever spam that I saw in the early days of ContentDB, it's not to prevent mods from doing stuff like this really. I'll see what other staff members think, but it's probably fine
22:50 erlehmann   rubenwardy it is the laptop that mntmn is developing
22:50 erlehmann   i actually have a prototype
22:50 Li0n        Ok then I'll upload it and if the others disagree you can just delete it
22:51 erlehmann   i think the mod is very good btw
22:51 erlehmann   but i am a bit biased :D
22:51 erlehmann   bc i like Li0n and mntmn
22:51 Li0n        Also when you interact with the laptop it plays ads for the laptop
22:51 Li0n        I thought that was very funny
22:51 erlehmann   well it only plays the soundbite from the ad
22:51 erlehmann   and it is actually very funny i think
22:52 erlehmann   the laptop playing an ad for the web page is funny in the same way that you buy a fridge on amazon and then it suggests you a lot of other fridges ppl bought it
22:55 Li0n        It's more like if you bought a smartfridge and every time you open the fridge it plays an ad for itself
23:06 mase        One last question about the luacontroller. How can I declare a global variable? When declaring and initializing at te beginning of the code, the program loop always overwrites it with the initial value. I did this with mem.var. Is that the solution to choose?