Time  Nick        Message
10:51 jas_        call me a dick
10:52 jas_        !mod
10:52 MinetestBot jas_: Cake [cake] by MrIbby - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13530 - https://github.com/minetest-mods/cake
18:06 erlehmann   does anyone know what happened to git.minetest.land?
18:09 Krock       rip
18:09 Krock       yet nothing on the forums...
18:20 Bombo       win b
18:20 Bombo       whoops ;)
18:24 Bombo       https://wiki.minetest.net/Player so you can't change the skin? (color)
18:25 heavygale   add a skins modto the server ^^
18:26 Bombo       how? this is empty https://wiki.minetest.net/Skin
18:27 Krock       !mod skin
18:27 MinetestBot Krock: Skinsdb [skinsdb] by bell07 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=17899 - https://github.com/minetest-mods/skinsdb
18:27 Krock       https://content.minetest.net/packages/?q=skin
18:29 Bombo       ok *read*
18:34 erlehmann   i mirrored the last version of mineclone2 i had locally
18:34 erlehmann   git clone 'http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/MineClone2.git'
18:34 erlehmann   just if anyone is missing it
18:35 Krock       also https://github.com/kay27/MineClone2/
18:35 Krock       though that's salted
18:38 erlehmann   salted?
18:38 erlehmann   Krock, cursed?
18:38 Krock       with extra commits, or "dirty"
18:40 erlehmann   the big issue is losing the issues
18:40 erlehmann   well it's not like ppl said for ages that you should keep issues in the repo
18:40 erlehmann   welll
18:40 Krock       erlehmann: btw, interesting  dating website you've got there
18:41 erlehmann   Krock, are you applying? because the last person that said that went from “nice website” to “lemme send you nudes” in half a day :P
18:41 erlehmann   Krock, i am actually using that website to brag about my SVG skills
18:41 erlehmann   Krock, everything SVG on it has been created in emacs
18:42 erlehmann   i am drawing the paths manually, so to speak
18:42 Krock       must be quite tiring to do that, no?
18:42 erlehmann   Krock, have you seen the reptiles yet?
18:42 erlehmann   no it is actually nicer to do it than using inkscape
18:42 erlehmann   because i do animations
18:43 erlehmann   and the inkscape coordinate system transformations are really hostile to doing animations properly
18:43 erlehmann   sometimes i want to do absolute and relative motions within a path
18:43 erlehmann   to make later animation easier
18:43 erlehmann   try doing that in a GUI
18:43 erlehmann   the spider web for example
18:43 erlehmann   if you mouseover it, a gust of wind damages it
18:43 erlehmann   so the start of the strands is absolute coordinates
18:44 erlehmann   for each of them
18:44 erlehmann   but then it goes relative
18:44 erlehmann   it's a different way to work on graphics
18:44 erlehmann   but then again, i have drawn maybe 500 emoji for gnu unifont using emacs and bitmap(1)
18:45 Krock       cool
18:55 erlehmann   Krock, do you like the reptiles? they are under the windows PGP key thingy
19:09 Krock       yes. random disappearing effect. didn't know this was possible
20:24 MTDiscord   <13G​enshin> mwf mineclone2 kinda died a bit
20:24 MTDiscord   <13G​enshin> then crafter came along
20:24 MTDiscord   <13G​enshin> and now crafter is somewhat on hold because of new game engine use
20:27 MTDiscord   <13G​enshin> eh, hopefully these games get done eventually
21:25 Calinou     I tagged v1.0.4 on the `gauges'` mod but the webhook is failing to update: https://content.minetest.net/packages/Calinou/gauges/
21:50 rubenwardy  erlehmann: official version here https://content.minetest.net/packages/Wuzzy/mineclone2/
21:56 erlehmann   rubenwardy, nope
21:56 erlehmann   rubenwardy, click on the „source“ link there
21:56 erlehmann   git.minetest.land is dead
21:56 rubenwardy  ContentDB stores a .zip version of releases
21:56 erlehmann   which does not contain the git history
21:56 erlehmann   right?
21:57 rubenwardy  so if you just wanted the latest version, you can get it from there
21:57 rubenwardy  most people just want the latest version
21:58 erlehmann   i want to make it possible for people to continue development
21:58 erlehmann   the newest version 0.67.2 is older than the newest thing i had in my home folder
21:58 erlehmann   i hope git.minetest.land comes back though
21:58 erlehmann   there are over 800 issues lost now :(
21:58 erlehmann   and some branches
22:06 MTDiscord   <11J​onathon> has wuzzy made any comment on it yet?
22:17 eeerungur   the mineclone2 repo is down?
22:18 sfan5       yes
22:29 erlehmann   eeerungur, yes the whole of git.minetest.land vanished and wuzzy too
22:29 eeerungur   :o
22:29 eeerungur   hope they are ok.
22:53 MTDiscord   <13G​enshin> is there a way to verify if a player is using a mobile client?
22:55 MTDiscord   <13G​enshin> i'm working on autodig and autoplace detection, but it appears that mobile users also cannot return LBM or RBM control inputs
22:55 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> ask them to make a neo jump. if they can do it they are definetely not using a mobile client ;D
22:56 MTDiscord   <13G​enshin> im not asking about that. im asking if there is a way to grab needed information to finish this detection. if not then I have to scrap it
22:57 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> > i'm working on autodig and autoplace detection, but it appears that mobile users also cannot return LBM or RBM control inputs @/g/ they can get around that easily by sending fake inputs to the server
22:59 MTDiscord   <11J​onathon> > eeerungur, yes the whole of git.minetest.land vanished and wuzzy too wuzzy commented on some forum posts today
22:59 eeerungur   MTDiscord: did he say why?
23:00 MTDiscord   <11J​onathon> didn't comment on mineclone of the git host going down at all
23:00 MTDiscord   <11J​onathon> *mineclone2
23:00 eeerungur   oh
23:01 MTDiscord   <11J​onathon> just checked
23:02 MTDiscord   <11J​onathon> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&p=381404#p381404
23:03 erlehmann   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=25401
23:03 erlehmann   MTDiscord, what's a neo jump?
23:03 MTDiscord   <13G​enshin> > @/g/ they can get around that easily by sending fake inputs to the server thanks for giving me not helpful information. can anyone else answer my question?
23:04 MTDiscord   <13G​enshin> it's a simple yes or no question
23:04 erlehmann   > Yes, Mesehub, the website on which MCL2 is hosted, is down. This is a big problem for development right now. The bugtracker is also down. I have contacted texmex, the host of Mesehub. I have not heard back from them yet.
23:04 erlehmann   so wuzzy exists
23:04 MTDiscord   <11J​onathon> that is what i told you
23:10 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> > it's a simple yes or no question @/g/ not worth it
23:10 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> so no
23:11 MTDiscord   <13G​enshin> scrapping it then.
23:11 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> > MTDiscord, what's a neo jump? @erlehmann@IRC#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSyFgT12P6o
23:11 MTDiscord   <10J​ordach> >reee github MS reeee
23:11 MTDiscord   <10J​ordach> >community hoster of repo goes MIA
23:12 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> another has fallen
23:12 MTDiscord   <10J​ordach> who's feeling the sadness of their mistake
23:24 erlehmann   the mistake was to not have the issues decentralized in the git repo
23:25 dzho        ugh. it's like my left-mouse is stuck on
23:25 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> two bots talking to each other: the apocalypse
23:26 dzho        so it's digging continually. If I left-click, it stops until I move at all and then it just starts again
23:26 dzho        I have to scroll quickly to something that doesn't do much damage so I don't trash my whole base.
23:26 dzho        then I just bail.
23:29 erlehmann   dzho, click the button
23:29 erlehmann   that is stuck
23:29 dzho        I did.
23:30 dzho        > If I left-click, it stops until I move at all and then it just starts again
23:30 dzho        I've gone through and used 'xinput -disable ##' to disable each input device in turn to further rule out hardware problems on each of them.
23:31 dzho        (this is on a thinpad so I have a touch pad and a pointing stick with buttons, a touch screen, and I have an external logitech trackball,)
23:31 dzho        this is Ubuntu 18.04 with their snap, 5.3.0
23:33 dzho        erlehmann: thanks for the suggestion, though
23:33 erlehmann   dzho, ok so one thing
23:34 erlehmann   dzho, if you use X11, what does xev say?
23:34 erlehmann   execute xev in a terminal
23:34 erlehmann   it should show exactly what X11 event is sent
23:34 erlehmann   when you hover the mouse over the xev window
23:34 erlehmann   dzho, tried that already?
23:35 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> my favorite thing about mineclone2 is the dupe glitches
23:36 dzho        erlehmann: yes
23:36 dzho        oh wait, sorry.
23:36 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> lol
23:37 aldum       duping items by bugs, or what?
23:38 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> there are so many bugs
23:38 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> firstly, lets talk about the potion stands
23:39 erlehmann   MTDiscord, please explaine dupe bug
23:39 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> so you know sticky pistons right?
23:39 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> so the idea is you put the thing you want to dupe in the potion stand
23:39 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> then you push the potion stand with a piston
23:40 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> and it drops the item you put in the stand
23:40 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> but the item is still in the stand
23:40 wsor4035    MTDiscord is a place the name of the person is in the <> erlehmann
23:40 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> right
23:40 dzho        erlehmann: yeah, there's nothing being sent when I just hover. The motion events show for the pointer moving into the window, and then ... it just sits on that last event
23:40 MTDiscord   <04o​neplustwo> so now you have two copies of the same item
23:41 dzho        so long as I do not move the pointer, there is no further x event shown.
23:42 dzho        (eventually I move it out again to kill the xev window and those motions show)
23:42 erlehmann   wsor4035, as i see it, MTDiscord seems to be a multiple personality user
23:42 erlehmann   wsor4035, so i see it might be considered insensitive to reply to a multiple as i would reply to a singleton
23:42 erlehmann   i will use their personalities names
23:43 erlehmann   dzho, weeeeird
23:43 dzho        I know, right
23:43 erlehmann   dzho, if you move the pointer you get more clicks or not?
23:43 dzho        when the point is in the xev window and I move it I get more motion events
23:44 dzho        s/point/pointer/
23:44 erlehmann   but no clicks i guess
23:45 dzho        well, if I click I get ButtonPress and ButtonRelease as expected. everything "just works" normally everywhere else
23:45 dzho        everywhere but in minetest
23:46 dzho        for instance I can drag to highlight text in gnome-terminal, I can click to do things in a browser, etc
23:48 dzho        erlehmann: thanks for trying to troubleshoot this with me, particularly for the suggestion to try xev. I'll see what sort of behavior I get on my other machine later. I'm going to drop it for now.
23:53 erlehmann   dzho, hth