Time  Nick         Message
07:42 bingfengfsx  is anyone here?
08:12 Emerald2     Not very active at this time of night, bingfengfsx.
08:55 bingfengfsx  emmmmm
08:56 Emerald2     Do you need something?
08:56 bingfengfsx  Discuss the future development of minetest
08:57 bingfengfsx  Minetest game really want to stop adding new features?
08:59 Emerald2     I'm not very familiar with the situation.
09:00 dievri       hello. I have custom entity with counter and counter functions. I want to create two custom tools, one for increment, other for decrement. Should I trigger counter functions in on_pounch function?
09:01 bingfengfsx  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=25152
09:01 bingfengfsx  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2710
09:01 bingfengfsx  @dievri
09:01 bingfengfsx  i dont know
09:07 bingfengfsx_ ~
09:14 MTDiscord    <08f​reshreplicant> Is that your comment at the end?
09:27 bingfengfsx_ @freshrepicant
09:27 bingfengfsx_ yes!
09:30 bingfengfsx_ last comment
09:31 bingfengfsx_ from my!
09:31 MTDiscord    <08f​reshreplicant> I'm too new to Minetest to really contribute to the conversation, but I think the developers do sometimes appear here.
09:33 MTDiscord    <08f​reshreplicant> From my understanding, Minetest the Game has been frozen before, so it might not necessarily be the 'end of MTG'.
09:35 bingfengfsx_ The reason I don’t recommend this is mainly because it affects the out-of-the-box gaming experience. After all, most games can be played directly after installation. If the built-in default game package is stronger, it will be beneficial to the game Promotion and experience.
09:35 bingfengfsx_ Of course I know that minetest_game will exist forever, but it is not good not to update new features.
09:40 MTDiscord    <08f​reshreplicant> Yeah, I can certainly see that point. I think there will definitely be people who will install MT and then try to play it, see there's no 'game' with it and just move on. You could say 'we don't want those kind of people', but some of those people might be kids for example (or less technically literate adults).
09:41 MTDiscord    <08f​reshreplicant> Plus if Minetest had a greater network effect, you could attract more modders, contributors, etc.
09:42 bingfengfsx_ yes,yes,yes
09:43 bingfengfsx_ and, your username is MTDiscord freshreplicant?
09:43 bingfengfsx_ minetest's discord community,i not found
09:46 MTDiscord    <08f​reshreplicant> I'm on the unoffical Minetest discord, they have an IRC bridge set up - not sure I'm using it right.
09:50 MTDiscord    <08f​reshreplicant> https://discord.gg/7P9kYZ
09:50 MTDiscord    <08f​reshreplicant> I think that's it.
09:55 MTDiscord    <11I​hrFussel> The devs are planning to redesign the main menu so that it 'urges' you to download a game...right now I agree with the whole 'people will see there is no (exciting) game and move on'
09:56 MTDiscord    <05澜​汐> 大家好！
09:56 MTDiscord    <05澜​汐> i'm BingFengFSX(IFRFSX)
09:59 bingfengfsx_ emmmm
10:30 dievri       is it possible to make entity immortal inside initial_properties?
11:18 rubenwardy   dievri: yes, you can set any property there
11:18 rubenwardy   "immortal" is an armor group that prevents the entity from taking punch damage
11:22 dievri       I'm putting this string in the initial_properties, but no effect - armor_groups = { immortal = 0 }
11:38 rubenwardy   try = 1
11:38 rubenwardy   =0 means not in the group, usually
12:50 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> The MTG Maintenance Mode issue should probably be locked, because it's the kind of thing that will tend to attract a lot of uninformed opinions.
12:50 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> (I say without failing to notice the potential for irony)
12:51 sfan5        nothing bad about opinions
12:51 sfan5        unless it turns into flamewar
12:53 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> Eh, I tend to see opinions as generally bad ... uninformed ones in particular.  A flamewar would be bad for certain, but a slow smolder is also not helpful.  Arguably that kind of thing is exactly the kind of attention-sink that MTG going into maint mode is supposed to avoid...
12:54 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> By "uninformed" specifically what I mean is people who see the sensational headline thinking "MT's default game is halting development" but don't know about the debundling or main menu revamp efforts.
12:55 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> There is a LOT of background to digest in those in order to achieve "informed" status.  I've been an enthusiast for those reforms and even my informedness has probably expired by now.
12:57 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> I suppose maybe if the main menu stuff moves forward first then it will become easier to have the conversations about the rest of the vision...
14:00 MTDiscord    <08f​reshreplicant> ...err...I may have submitted a long uninformed post in the forum on precisely that topic...just before reading your message here.
14:01 MTDiscord    <06k​b1000> why do some people on irc have pictures on their messages on discord?
14:02 kb1000       Where would you set that picture up?
14:02 MTDiscord    <06k​b1000> oh
14:03 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> yeah, you just need to have your IRC nick match your Discord username
14:04 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> side note: Discord users would be well advised to make sure they have their nick registered and protected on freenode to make sure nobody can drop in and use their picture
14:07 MTDiscord    <06k​b1000> actually i didnt even write that message through irc lol more like matrix...
14:57 dievri       when I call get_luaentity()  on custom entity and modify  custom properties, this properties  inherited by  all objects of the entity?
14:59 dievri       I would like that my custom entities preserve they state, which initially was set
15:00 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> the lua entity is a lua table, whose metatable indexes a table that's the prototype of the entity definiton ... so the answer is a bit complex due to aliasing
15:00 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> if you're calling set_properties() on the object (not the luaent) then you are definitely always modifying a single object
15:01 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> if you're dong something like luaentity.age = luaentity.age + dtime then your change also only affects one object
15:02 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> but if you do something like luaentity.basepos.y = luaentity.basepos.y + 1 then you might be modifying one entity, or you might be modifying all of them, depending on whether you made an independent copy of basepos for that specific entity, or if it's being inherited from the prototype.
15:04 dievri       I'm doing the following
15:04 dievri       1) local entity = minetest.add_entity ....
15:04 dievri       2) entity:get_luaentity().lua_properties.path = fullpath
15:05 dievri       path and fullpath are strings, initially in minetest.register_entity path is set like lua_properties = { path = "" }
15:06 MTDiscord    <04L​one_Wolf> .path == ["path"]
15:07 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> lua_properties is something defined in the entity registration itself?
15:07 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> or is it being written on_activate or something?
15:08 dievri       after initial properties, initial_properties = {...}, lua_properties = {... },
15:08 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> assuming you're not making an explicit copy anywhere, it looks to me like you're probably aliasing the one shared one from the prototype
15:08 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> so when you change the path for one, you're changing the path for all.
15:08 dievri       how explicit copy should be done properly?
15:09 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> simplest thing to do is ditch lua_properties and just put the custom properties right onto the prototype object.  Aliasing doesn't happen with primitives or non-nested element assignments.
15:09 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> alternatively on_activate you do something like local base = self.lua_properties self.lua_properties = {} for k, v in pairs(base) do self.lua_properties[k] = v end, but that only works if there are no nested tables in there
15:10 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> if you have a self.lua_properties.basepos.x or something then you'll have to recursively copy
15:10 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> minetest.deserialize(minetest.serialize(table)) is a simple naive way to copy, though there's probably some overhead cost that may make it scale a bit worse
15:11 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> The real question here is why lua_properties exists, because even in the absence of an explicit reason for it NOT to exist, it would still need a reason to exist.
15:11 MTDiscord    <04L​one_Wolf> Is 'path' a variable?
15:11 MTDiscord    <04L​one_Wolf> Darn internet lol
15:12 MTDiscord    <04L​one_Wolf> Can just ignore that
15:14 dievri       great, now everything is working. lua_properties exists no more) thanks
15:17 MTDiscord    <12W​arr1024> Yeah, entities are a little tricky in the way they use metatables.  You don't run into this issue with nodes because nodes don't have per-instance lua objects, so you're interacting ONLY with the definitions themselves, and ephemeral node {name=...,param=...,param2=...} tables.
15:22 Miniontoby   hmm
15:22 Miniontoby   hey
15:22 Miniontoby   im going
15:34 katp32       hi, I have a bit of an issue
15:35 katp32       it seems that an invalid entity has been created due to me forgetting to update minetest_game
15:35 katp32       that's fine, everything is updated now, but the issue is, that entity appears to still be in the save file, so every time the server starts, it immediately crashes again
15:35 katp32       is there a way to make it... uh... not do that?
16:26 Krock        perhaps post a link to the error messages first?
16:55 katp32       https://dpaste.com/DWC83PZQF
16:58 Krock        grep -r "on_step = function"   --- inside your mods/ directory
16:58 Krock        update those accordingly
16:59 Krock        actually this would be better: grep -r "on_step\("   (or similar)
17:01 katp32       update them how?
17:01 Krock        git pull
17:02 katp32       ah, nope, they're all already the latest
17:02 Krock        or contentdb update function
17:02 Krock        then minetest_game needs an update - or whatever game you're using
17:02 katp32       ...er, nevermind apparently
17:02 katp32       ohhh, I'm an idiot lmao, I forgot to update my git submodules
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