Time  Nick         Message
00:02 Corey[m]1    Extex: Tried converting the position to a string and setting it in the formspec as the default value of thr field you're trying to send?
06:39 oil_boi      sfan5, coal lives again! https://i.imgur.com/K3NIGgC.png
07:50 eyekay49     I had translated a bunch of strings (31%) to hindi in the weblate site in april and i thought it will be added automatically. But i just built 5.3-dev and it isnt included. Do i need to submit it somewhere? (sorry I am new to this)
08:58 sfan5        !tell oil_boi does it set mobs on fire if you hit them? :D
08:58 MinetestBot  sfan5: yeah, sure, whatever
15:05 acagastya    Hello, Calinou.  I am a volunteer editor on Wikimedia Commons.  I wanted to know what is the license of this file: https://wiki.minetest.net/File:C55-2.jpg
15:06 acagastya    Is it under a free Creative Commons license?
15:34 frabbit      some forum mod here? i cant register, it gave me "The solution you provided was incorrect" and now additional to that: "You have exceeded the maximum number of registration attempts for this session. Please try again later."
15:34 frabbit      my choosen username isnt in use
15:35 frabbit      ive checked that
15:35 sfan5        this might be disappointing but have you tried just waiting some time?
15:35 sfan5        alternatively if you have the ability to reset your router to get a new IP from your ISP that probably works too
15:35 frabbit      waiting?
15:36 frabbit      yeah tahts 4 sure, but why did i get that first message?
15:36 frabbit      before i got the second?
15:36 frabbit      "The solution you provided was incorrect"
15:37 frabbit      there where no incorrect fields left
15:37 sfan5        I have no idea
15:37 frabbit      i first tried to bash against github in github field, but i cleared that field and the message was still there after hitting submit
15:38 sfan5        "solution" should refer to a text captcha
15:38 frabbit      wtf?! so i need google!
15:38 sfan5        ?
15:38 frabbit      ive saw that crap in umatrix
15:38 sfan5        not google's captcha
15:39 frabbit      why they do implementing google?
15:39 sfan5        something like "who is the creator of minetest?" and then you have a field to enter an answer
15:39 sfan5        at least that's how it looked last time I checked
15:39 frabbit      nah cant see anything like that and minetest.net domain stuff is all allowed
15:39 frabbit      but i block google
15:39 sfan5        okay visiting the site now shows a recaptcha
15:40 frabbit      and i wont unblock it...
15:40 frabbit      from where?
15:40 sfan5        recaptcha is the name of google's solution
15:40 frabbit      thats silly
15:40 Taoki        https://i.imgur.com/1qs4o8d.png Anyone know what I must change in my mapgen settings to avoid hard lines like this with Mapgen v7? Seems like some bugs are still in there.
15:40 frabbit      there are free and easy solutions for that
15:41 frabbit      without google
15:41 sfan5        Taoki: this looks like changing mapgen settings (e.g. seed) between world loads
15:42 Taoki        Huh, that's odd. It happens while explore a new area in a single session too.
15:42 Taoki        And I do use "seed = params.seed" in minetest.register_on_mapgen_init
15:53 Taoki        Yeah actually it seems to happen whenever I reload the world... weird.
15:54 Taoki        https://pastebin.com/FZgPXCwC Does anything appear wrong with this?
15:56 sfan5        maybe just comment out the seed line?
16:08 Taoki        Thanks, seems to be working.
16:09 Taoki        Seems to have worked for now, thanks.
16:10 Taoki        Picking up a game I started making 4 years ago, was still in early stages. Forgot I actually created a slow three growth algorithm :)
16:53 frabbit      sfan5: i saw that u are moderator too at forums, can u please activate my account?
16:54 frabbit      i dont want to use that google shit
16:55 sfan5        I don't see an account with a name similar to yours
16:55 Krock        I don't think moderators can do that
16:55 Krock        ...or?
16:56 frabbit      sfan5: i cant get over that submit process
16:56 frabbit      thats why
16:57 frabbit      i need to solve that google captcha
16:57 frabbit      but i wont
16:57 sfan5        well if your account doesn't make it into the database then I also can't activate it
16:58 Krock        there's also Tor, which could be interesting to you as well
17:00 frabbit      sfan5: thats bad... please remove this google shit, there are other ways to prevent bots from register. like this one devuan is doing for example: https://dev1galaxy.org/register.php
17:00 frabbit      Krock: how do tor avoiding usig google?
17:00 MinetestBot  02[git] 04v-rob -> 03minetest/minetest: Document deprecation of *_hovered and *_pressed styles (#10092) 13f7c7899 https://git.io/JfxpE (152020-06-23T16:59:02Z)
17:01 frabbit      Krock: also u need to enable js, googles js, tor is not safe with js (and maybe it isnt even without...)
17:01 frabbit      with js ur ip can be leaked also when u using tor
17:02 sfan5        frabbit: deciding which captcha runs on the forum isn't my responsibility, I don't admin it
17:02 frabbit      and even if all that were not the fact: i dont support google in any way
17:02 frabbit      sfan5: ok
17:02 frabbit      so i will need to write celereon55
17:02 frabbit      *sigh*
17:03 frabbit      celeron55: ot can u do something when i contact u here? =)
17:03 frabbit      that would avoid me from mailing u
17:10 celeron55    i don't have time or money for playing around with bots and google does it efficiently and for free so it's an obvious choice
17:11 celeron55    i'll be waiting for your written offer of maintaining an effective non-google captcha for me for the next 10 years
17:12 celeron55    anyway i can create you an account if you need it
17:13 rubenwardy   perhaps there could be a message to contact someone if google is not an option?
17:14 celeron55    altough, i don't really have any special way of creating an account, i'll be just filling the registration form and captcha for you
17:14 celeron55    so you might just as well pick anyone you trust
17:33 frabbit      celeron55: doesnt make any sense... then i could do it by myself
17:33 frabbit      ceralso i suggests one possible way without google
17:34 frabbit      19:00 < frabbit> sfan5: thats bad... please remove this google shit, there are other ways to prevent bots from register. like this one devuan is doing for example: https://dev1galaxy.org/register.php
17:34 celeron55    i have had questions like that in the registration form before and they don't help in the long term
17:34 celeron55    you'd have to be changing them all the time
17:34 frabbit      changing what?
17:34 celeron55    and then some people don't get them and ask for the answers
17:35 celeron55    and it's just not good
17:35 celeron55    the questions
17:35 frabbit      lol u can use simple question like "grass is .....?"
17:35 Krock        when I signed up, I think the question was about MESE
17:35 celeron55    this is a big forum, some advertisers seem to be targeting it seriously enough to figure out questions like that
17:35 celeron55    or spammers
17:35 celeron55    whatever you like to call them
17:36 frabbit      no u can save several questions and only one of they will appear randomly on every single registration
17:36 sfan5        we've had that before and multiple russian spam posts got through every week
17:36 celeron55    i hate google too, but i still use the captcha; i think that should tell you a lot
17:37 celeron55    (altough it's no the company i hate the most, that spot goes to facebook probably)
17:37 celeron55    not*
17:37 frabbit      sfan5: sounds more like u havent enough questions and bad blacklists for ips domains whatever.. dev1 doesnt have these problems and i can guarantee u that there are many people and institutions that wnat to see devuan dieing...
17:38 frabbit      celeron55: ok but there are alternatives for these kind of captchas then
17:38 frabbit      ive once read sopmething about that
17:38 celeron55    "Total number of posts: 21,369" ok checked... not a big forum
17:38 frabbit      will search my bookmarks and notes
17:38 frabbit      celeron55: devuan?
17:39 frabbit      doesnt matter how much post tehre are...
17:39 sfan5        e.g. cloudflare uses https://www.hcaptcha.com/
17:39 frabbit      the devuan project is a target of attacks since it was created...
17:39 frabbit      theres still a big war ou there
17:40 frabbit      *out
17:41 celeron55    i guess hcaptcha could work
17:42 celeron55    can frabbit review it and see if it passes his captcha review process?
17:42 rubenwardy   lol, minetest has 16x as many posts
17:42 rubenwardy   16.6
17:42 rubenwardy   doesn't make that small though
17:43 frabbit      rubenwardy: what are u talking about posts? i dont get it... o_0
17:43 frabbit      also interesting article about captcha stuff: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/1/18205610/google-captcha-ai-robot-human-difficult-artificial-intelligence
17:43 Krock        !c 354796 / 21369
17:43 MinetestBot  16.603303851373486
17:45 Krock        though, that might be a counter value, rather than row count
17:46 rubenwardy   implying that deleted posts are counted?
17:46 Krock        difference are the removed posts
17:46 rubenwardy   in which case, spam attacks would be
17:46 rubenwardy   !c 100 * 6128 / 354796
17:46 MinetestBot   1.7271897090158852
17:46 rubenwardy   I have 1.73% of all posts
17:46 rubenwardy   used to be higher :'(
17:47 Krock        !c 1000 * 4522 / 354796
17:47 MinetestBot  12.745352258762782
17:47 Krock        I have 12.7%° of all posts
17:47 rubenwardy   extra zero there
17:47 frabbit      and sorry but im tired of discussion about using google or whatever shitty companys stuff, if a webpage forces me to allow these "services" then its a sign to me that this webpage dont want me as a member. np for me, but in this case it hurts, cause i wanted to contact some modders and reporting some bugs
17:47 Krock        > per mille
17:47 Krock        makes the number look larger :3
17:48 Krock        frabbit: okay that's fine
17:48 Krock        you can still report bugs using email or github
17:48 rubenwardy   frabbit: and thanks for raising the issue
18:01 MinetestBot  02[git] 04MoNTE48 -> 03minetest/minetest: Android: fix maxAspectRatio (should be float) (#10080) 13646af2e https://git.io/JfpeJ (152020-06-23T18:00:34Z)
18:04 celeron55    it's interesting that while many people are flocking into discord, still people like frabbit exist
18:04 rubenwardy   takes all types
18:32 frabbit      Krock: reporting via mail isnt possible when the person who creates a mod doesnt leave an email somewhere, also it isnt desired often to report bugs or make feature requests that way when tehres a forum thread for that... and github.. well thats a thing i couldnt understand at all, why mt project is still hosting on a page that is owned by micro$oft, another one from the GAFAM and in this special case
18:33 frabbit      also the developer of minecraft... thats totally weird...
18:33 frabbit      rubenwardy: was that satire? =(
18:33 rubenwardy   what's satire?
18:34 Krock        rubenwardy: basically long sarcastic talks, but less intense and still somehow provocative
18:35 rubenwardy   lol
18:35 rubenwardy   I meant: what was satire, not what is satire
18:35 frabbit      celeron55: espacially the so called digital natives does use discord, but these young people arent digital natives, the are digital puppets, they only know colorful buttons and stuff and even some programming languages prevent the students of that lang. to learn something deeper. if it will stay that way, computing will be only available for a small elite, while the rest just consuming their stuff like
18:35 frabbit      zombies...
18:35 Krock        what's is ambiguous
18:35 Krock        *what's ambiguous
18:36 Ingar        frabbit: it's all just a concequence of how corps programmed society the generations before
18:36 frabbit      Ingar: right
18:36 frabbit      but they still do
18:36 Ingar        you old ?
18:36 frabbit      the less people know about whatever, the easier it is to control these people, thats an old digusting law...
18:37 frabbit      Ingar: hmm.. depends xD
18:37 rubenwardy   Governments definitely use distractions to keep people from the real issues, but I don't think it extends as far as "colorful buttons and stuff"
18:37 frabbit      i thing over 30 is old (where my youth has gone?)
18:37 frabbit      *think
18:37 frabbit      rubenwardy: what do u mean
18:38 frabbit      these things hiding the commands
18:38 Ingar        frabbit: but here we are, chatting on a # dedicated to escapism ;)
18:39 frabbit      and it isnt needed to learn computing with buttons first, u can always start with terminal stuff
18:39 frabbit      Ingar: with # u mean channel?
18:39 Ingar        frabbit: I do, I'm old
18:39 Ingar        @ is ops
18:40 rubenwardy   oh right, you're talking literally about software rather than a conspiracy
18:40 frabbit      ive seen that adorable girl whos starting learn computing on a terminal: https://invidio.us/watch?v=WTb2EAxLyF0
18:40 frabbit      Ingar: ok =) im about a year at irc now
18:40 frabbit      rubenwardy: conspiracy?
18:40 frabbit      thats for idiots
18:41 Ingar        frabbit: now you made me realize I've been on IRC for 25 years. I need a bottle. or in this particular instance, dinner. ..laters :)
18:41 frabbit      ut how to earn alot of money? by increasing influence and with that comes power too... so its a circle of desaster that could be find in any big corp...
18:41 rubenwardy   I've been on IRC for 8 years
18:42 frabbit      Ingar: have a nice dinner then =)
18:42 Krock        roughly 7 years... still a newbie :)
18:42 frabbit      rubenwardy: =) if i have know that this cool thing exists earlier, i would be here since several years too
18:43 rubenwardy   Ingar: you've been on IRC for longer than I've been alive
18:43 celeron55    i've been on IRC for about 18 years, and to brighten up frabbit's day, MT was first published on IRC just under 10 years ago and still has an IRC presence
18:44 Fulgen       IRC is nice.
18:44 celeron55    so don't worry we're here to stay
18:45 celeron55    it's people like frabbit who will understand why, as the discord folk will never get it
18:46 rubenwardy   I really like IRC, it's beautifully simple
18:46 celeron55    it's what it says on the lid
18:46 rubenwardy   pain in terms of user-experience, but that's maybe a benefit
18:46 Krock        direct image upload would be nice sometimes,though
18:46 rubenwardy   yeah, that's one pain
18:47 Fulgen       indeed
18:47 rubenwardy   I have a python script to upload images to my short web domain for that
18:47 rubenwardy   rwdy.uk
18:47 Krock        IRC clients can take care of that, though.
18:47 frabbit      celeron55: lol on irc? =D nice
18:47 rubenwardy   using SCP
18:47 rubenwardy   https://gitlab.com/rubenwardy/rubenimageupload
18:47 rubenwardy   Yeah, it's possible for an IRC client to have support for uploading to something like imgur
18:48 frabbit      celeron55: so next release is coming as irce download, peer-to-peer?
18:48 frabbit      ;)
18:48 Krock        rubenwardy: well, a bash script might work just as well in .local/bin/
18:48 celeron55    well probably not, but feel free to mirror it
18:48 rubenwardy   sure
18:48 rubenwardy   I wasn't as experienced with bash when I wrote that
18:48 frabbit      yeah i will on notabug
18:48 rubenwardy   that is also installed in .local/bin
18:48 frabbit      really need to fill my repos there
18:49 celeron55    MT hasn't always been on github, i first hosted it on bitbucket
18:49 frabbit      btw. why isnt mt changing to notabug.org?
18:49 celeron55    and it hasn't always used git, it originally used mercurial
18:50 frabbit      is it missing any features the development needs?
18:50 celeron55    these things will change when needed, and at the moment it's not needed
18:50 Krock        the only platform that stayed as-is is sourceforge
18:50 celeron55    i don't fear the name microsoft, i fear the shitty products they do
18:50 celeron55    so when github turns shitty, MT will move
18:50 celeron55    not before
18:51 rubenwardy   I thought it was on source forge?
18:51 rubenwardy   I've moved to GitLab as of a few months
18:51 frabbit      celeron55: hmm ok, but every single project makes that site bigger, even after alot of great projects switched to gitlab after m$ take the place
18:51 rubenwardy   also, I dislike notabug
18:51 frabbit      rubenwardy: why?
18:51 rubenwardy   they have a broken CSS theme
18:51 frabbit      rubenwardy: o_0
18:51 rubenwardy   and I don't especially trust such a small community to host our code official
18:52 rubenwardy   wait, are you involved with it / freepost?
18:52 frabbit      err better trust a small community then a big corp...
18:52 frabbit      but maybe thats the spirit of ur generation....
18:52 rubenwardy   the big corp is more likely to have a backup strategy and less likely to have single people in position of power, being abusive
18:53 * frabbit    can see a dystopic future
18:53 rubenwardy   you can also trust the big corp to be consistent - looking for profit
18:53 frabbit      rubenwardy: backup ur stuff on ur own
18:53 Krock        backup scripts are nice. they can be self-containing.
18:54 celeron55    frabbit: we are not like some projects that don't have their own domain or anything to fall back to in the case github topples over
18:54 frabbit      outsourcing backup to any service no matter if small group of cool people or big corp is a very bad idea
18:54 rubenwardy   that too, I'd prefer self-hosting to a small git host
18:54 celeron55    if our only web presence was github.com then yes, that's a problem
18:54 rubenwardy   it's a matter of trust
18:54 frabbit      celeron55: i agree
18:54 celeron55    but we have minetest.net which can point to anywhere for source hosting and issues
18:55 frabbit      rubenwardy: well i dont trust m$ and there are a huge bunch of reasons for that...
18:55 celeron55    currently it's github, but given github isn't viable tomorrow, tomorrow it's something else
18:55 frabbit      celeron55: ok =)
18:55 frabbit      so... whats velocity then hahaha xD
18:56 frabbit      thers a bug in whinny mod with it
18:56 frabbit      its some kind of move entitys or something?
19:01 rubenwardy   Well, I've moved to GitLab because of Microsoft and other things. I think that the loss of contributors like pgimeno is justification to move
19:01 rubenwardy   I with GitLab would improve their UI though
19:05 FeXoR        (Uh, that IRC SCP imageupload is nice. Thanks for the tip ;)
19:06 rubenwardy   yw
19:06 rubenwardy   I was overthinking image upload programs until someone suggested SCP
19:06 rubenwardy   and a web server
19:09 FeXoR        Krock: Sourceforge has changed dramatically! Some years back one could just download the stuff without any "We value your privacy" exclamations and even use direct download links. That's all hidden. And in between there where installers of other software implanted in the installers of abandoned projects by sourceforge itself. That's why 0 A.D. hosts it's own repo now and many others mofed away, too ;)
19:11 rubenwardy   sourceforge is one consideration that makes me about a library or program
19:11 rubenwardy   they're typically outdated and suck
19:11 * rubenwardy looks at Irrlicht
19:17 FeXoR        (And since sourceforge wasn't exactly small when their business model changed I doubt the "Large companies are stable" at least in a way predictable by the projects :D But, yes, I guess one can trust them to want to make money ... and that to not have the same goal as the projects :p
19:18 frabbit      hmm.. Sparky isnt here on irc, also theres no mail: https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=11650
19:19 frabbit      and whinny mod was uloaded to forum site only, so no repo site too
19:20 rubenwardy   I've sent him a message, not sure if he'll see it
19:21 frabbit      rubenwardy: thats very kind of u, but not a long term solution... =(
19:22 frabbit      btw. because minetest.net is using google this here is not complete: https://forum.minetest.net/ucp.php?mode=privacy
19:23 frabbit      please update this then
19:26 frabbit      i will register now... man that all sucks... but theres someone who will be very happy when the horses coming back to my server and i will be too
19:27 * frabbit    is thinking if it wouldnt be better to be a blackhat taht attacks GAFAM with other bh...
19:30 frabbit      i really wnat alphabet to die...
19:30 frabbit      *want
19:31 Krock        FeXoR: well, from what I can see, it still sucks
19:32 FeXoR        Sourceforge? Or 0 A.D.? Or SVN? :D
19:33 Krock        FeXoR: sourceforge and also a bit of SVN
19:34 frabbit      sourceforge? that site that has delivered adware to u once, when downloading stuff?
19:34 * FeXoR      thinks git sucks for art or other binaries
19:34 frabbit      and manipulating downloads... and....
19:34 FeXoR        Yep, that sourceforge ;)
19:35 frabbit      awesome... not
19:43 Calinou      Git works ok for art if you never change it :P
19:43 Calinou      (or if it's small enough not to be a problem, which is mostly the case in Minetest)
19:44 Calinou      FeXoR: direct download links still exist on SourceForge, but they'll only be obeyed if your user agent is something like "curl"
19:44 Calinou      otherwise, it will switch to the non-direct download page
19:46 FeXoR        Yea, I remember having fiddled arround a but to get it to work :p
19:46 FeXoR        *bit
19:55 frabbit      what about: https://savannah.gnu.org/
19:56 frabbit      this is how a repo can look like there: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/adonthell
19:57 frabbit      pretty clean and also quick to use
19:59 rubenwardy   we need pull requests and a good issues tracker
19:59 rubenwardy   the latter can be done with bugzilla, and the former with some other kind of review software
19:59 rubenwardy   but being integrated into the git host would be good
20:02 frabbit      rubenwardy: bugtracker is here: https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?group=adonthell
20:02 gh00p        What's the best way to change clothing/skins? I see a wardrobe mod and a clothing mod mentioned in forums from 2005, but is there something else?
20:02 rubenwardy   lol, 2005
20:02 rubenwardy   time travelling modders
20:03 frabbit      BackToTheFuture? =D
20:03 rubenwardy   I'm not sure there are any modern ones
20:03 Krock        !mod skindb
20:03 MinetestBot  Krock: fetching all skins from skin db [skindb] by addi - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9098 - https://bitbucket.org/kingarthursteam/skindb
20:03 Krock        not that skindb
20:03 frabbit      h00p use simple skins from tenplus1
20:03 Krock        gh00p: https://krock-works.uk.to/minetest/modSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=skins
20:03 frabbit      gh00p: https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/simple_skins
20:04 Krock        https://content.minetest.net/packages/?q=skins
20:04 frabbit      also i like PilzAdams simple skin mod, but with that u cant change skins ingame
20:05 frabbit      in both mods theres a folder where u can simple put skins into
20:05 rubenwardy   in 5.3.0, you'll be able to change skins at run time
20:05 rubenwardy   like - add skins
20:05 frabbit      with PilzAdams mod u can chain them to a specific playername
20:06 rubenwardy   tenplus1's has a dialog where you select an existing skin
20:06 frabbit      gh00p: mod from PilzAdam -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3587
20:07 frabbit      ive tested both and both are working with mt 5.2.0
20:10 acagastya    Hi, it is me agains: a volunteer editor on Wikimedia project.  celeron55, can you please clarify one thing about your interview with (French) Wikinews editor AirSThib on IRC?
20:10 celeron55    hi, no problem
20:11 gh00p        Krock, frabbit: thanks, I'll do some reading!
20:12 acagastya    Since it is potentially privacy violating information, is it okay if I ask in a PM, celeron55?
20:12 celeron55    PM is fine
20:12 acagastya    Thank you.
20:12 gh00p        Oh, Krock is the bot. Thanks, frabbit! :)
20:12 frabbit      gh00p: yw =)
20:13 frabbit      gh00p: no, Krock is not a bot xD
20:13 rubenwardy   I've never seen him solve a capture
20:13 rubenwardy   *captcha
20:13 frabbit      lol
20:13 rubenwardy   I've met him in real life, but I didn't see him solve a capture
20:13 rubenwardy   could be an Android
20:14 rubenwardy   err -A+a
20:14 frabbit      xD
20:23 celeron55    your meeting-in-life protocol should include solving a captcha
20:23 celeron55    should add it to the checklist
20:23 rubenwardy   lol
20:24 * FeXoR      envied Andonthell to only have one bug :p
20:25 rubenwardy   \o/
20:28 rubenwardy   I'm still dreaming for MeseCon
20:28 rubenwardy   the minetest convention
20:28 SoylentCow   that would be fin
20:28 rubenwardy   If celeron55 refuses to come, I'll have to hire kidnappers
20:28 SoylentCow   lol, fun
20:29 rubenwardy   joking
20:30 FeXoR        frabbit: I can't find a web page to browse through the code on Savannah. Could you give me a hint? :)
20:30 FeXoR        (The Andonthell Savannah page I mean)
20:35 celeron55    rubenwardy: obviously in finland, right?
20:36 rubenwardy   how big is your back yard?
20:36 celeron55    pretty big, thousands of square meters
20:36 rubenwardy   do you live in the middle of no where?
20:36 celeron55    yes, right there
20:37 rubenwardy   I wouldn't be against finland, wondering about connectivity and organisation
20:37 frabbit      FeXoR: maybe this: https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/adonthell.git
20:38 rubenwardy   there's a direct flight from bristol to helinski
20:40 celeron55    the closest to me you can get on railway or bus from helsinki is about 40km away
20:40 celeron55    so say hello to your chartered bus driver, celeron55
20:41 rubenwardy   lol
20:41 frabbit      lol
20:41 celeron55    i have an MPV that can fit 8 that i'm planning to convert to electric but before that it could work fine
20:41 rubenwardy   the convention would need to be done very close to a city, or some connected place
20:41 rubenwardy   I was thinking france or germany, as it's central europe and there are quite a few core devs in that region
20:41 rubenwardy   I was talking to CERN about doing it there, they have connections. Geneva is super expensive though, I wouldn't want to pay for accomodation there
20:41 rubenwardy   this is a bad time to be talking about conventions and international travel :D
20:42 frabbit      rubenwardy: im sure next year there will be a vaccine
20:44 celeron55    i feel it would feel like a funeral though, as i'm not developing anymore
20:44 rubenwardy   lol
20:45 rubenwardy   doesn't matter, I wager that you are still the last person to touch the majority of code
20:45 rubenwardy   let alone the author of the majority of code
20:45 frabbit      later people =)
20:45 rubenwardy   plus, "not developing anymore" has an easy fix :)
20:51 celeron55    i guess germany could work, i would probably include it in an europe road trip i'd do
20:51 celeron55    planning one anyway at some point
20:54 celeron55    was thinking this summer but have to see about the restrictions
20:54 rubenwardy   would be too soon for a mesecon imo
20:54 rubenwardy   a road trip though, sure
20:55 celeron55    and the real twist on the road trip, of course, is doing it with a DIY electric conversion vehicle
20:55 rubenwardy   :O
20:56 rubenwardy   if you break down in germany, then at least there's good beer
20:56 celeron55    well, i don't drink alcohol
20:56 rubenwardy   fair
20:59 celeron55    and you pretty much can't have fun with me nowadays unless it involves wrenches, rust and high voltage
21:01 celeron55    so, i might as well just road trip through all the core devs front doors, booping each one on the nose before continuing
21:02 rubenwardy   loool
21:02 rubenwardy   and then run off into the distance, leaving them wondering who you are and/or how you got their address
21:03 celeron55    i once hand painted wooden cubes with minetest themed pictures
21:03 celeron55    i still have them somewhere
21:03 celeron55    that's going to be the hottest stuff
21:03 rubenwardy   Jeija has IRL mesecon blocks
21:04 rubenwardy   He's an electronic engineer
21:04 celeron55    anyway, MT's 10 year anniversary is in october this year
21:05 rubenwardy   :O
21:06 eerungur     i should 3d print some minetest mobs.
21:06 celeron55    i'm pretty sure i made the first .zip on 2010-10-10
21:06 celeron55    that's a good date to release a project, easy to remember
21:06 eerungur     where could i get the 3d model files from?
21:07 rubenwardy   minetest doesn't have mobs
21:07 rubenwardy   the old 0.3 mobs are 2D
21:07 Corey[m]1    I.. don't think minetest has mobs
21:07 Corey[m]1    Damn rubenwardy beat me to it
21:07 rubenwardy   the most popular mob mod is mobs redo
21:07 rubenwardy   !mod mobs
21:07 MinetestBot  rubenwardy: Mobs Redo [mobs] by TenPlus1 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9917 - https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/mobs_redo
21:08 rubenwardy   The Minetest logo could be a cool 3d print
21:08 eerungur     rubenwardy: good idea.
21:08 rubenwardy   fun fact: it's not possible to build the logo to scale in Minetest accurately
21:08 rubenwardy   well, you could make it massive
21:39 eth01        interesting project folks
21:40 * eth01      has nothing valuable to add apart from it looks interesting :p
21:41 rubenwardy   lol thanks
21:50 eth01        My project would be happy to donate some hosting though for your project if you would like ...we run an open source platform and offer hosting to open source projects for free.
21:51 rubenwardy   celeron55 would be the person to talk to for that
21:53 eth01        coolthx
22:22 Warr1024     "not possible to build the logo to scale" <-- mesh nodes :-D
22:23 rubenwardy   cheater
23:23 Corey[m]1    Were there any recent changes to the hypertext element in formspecs?
23:23 Corey[m]1    I just noticed that some of my old formspecs are jumbled unto a single line, they used to be multiple lines
23:23 rubenwardy   I don't think so
23:24 rubenwardy   check LF vs CRLF
23:24 Corey[m]1    one sec, I even had a comment in my code about the odd old behaviour
23:24 rubenwardy   do note that the hypertext element is experimental, in the future a new line won't be a new line in the element
23:25 Corey[m]1    hope you don't mind a link drop: https://github.com/IceDragon200/mt-yatm/blob/master/yatm_codex/items/codex.lua#L54-L57
23:25 Corey[m]1    primarily my last comment: "But in all honestly it's like the inventory based sizing doesn't even apply to hypertext"
23:25 rubenwardy   what
23:25 rubenwardy   hypertext uses its own line spacing
23:25 Corey[m]1    Yep, that worked before I pulled the latest
23:26 Corey[m]1    And where is this line spacing configured?
23:26 rubenwardy   it's not
23:26 Corey[m]1    or what was the sane default?
23:27 Corey[m]1    welp, I should have noted, the note under hypertext in the lua_api "* **Note**: This element is currently unstable and subject to change."
23:28 Corey[m]1    So, expected behaviour I guess P:
23:28 rubenwardy   lol, does your mod require mod security to be disabled?
23:28 rubenwardy   that's a nope from me
23:29 rubenwardy   I suggest making a simpler example and opening an issue
23:29 Corey[m]1    well it requires being permitted to use some native extensions outside of that, you can view the whole code, compile it yourself and run it, I have no interest in enslaving anyone's computer to mine bitcoins P:
23:30 rubenwardy   hypertext hasn't been changed in 5.3.0
23:30 rubenwardy   it's the same as in 5.2.0
23:31 Corey[m]1    I honestly don't remember what version I was running when it 'worked' as intended
23:31 Corey[m]1    Since I build from master
23:32 Corey[m]1    but whatever changed, I think it's new behaviour might be sane again