Time  Nick        Message
00:34 jas_        is that all?
01:54 misspapaya  I'm running a server and somehow sharks disappeared
01:55 misspapaya  Where can I start debugging?
01:57 misspapaya  sorry not debugging. Troubleshooting.
01:57 Emerald2    Did you update anything before they disappeared? And which mod is adding them?
01:57 misspapaya  I added advtrains and restarted the server
01:58 misspapaya  oh and I disabled wolves
01:59 Emerald2    Which mod are the sharks and wolves from?
02:00 misspapaya  Wolves were their own mod and I'm not sure where sharks came from
02:01 Emerald2    Which mobs mods are on your server?
02:04 misspapaya  mobs, mobs_monster, water_life, mobkit, mobs_animal
02:05 Emerald2    water_life has sharks
02:06 Emerald2    Anything in debug.txt ?
02:08 misspapaya  I don't see anything
02:08 misspapaya  oh ERROR[Main]: mod "water_life" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "mobkit"
02:08 misspapaya  gotta see what instance that came from
02:08 Emerald2    Aha!
02:12 misspapaya  I erased teh file and restarted the server. so far I haven't seen the error again. Will come back after I go looking for sharks
02:15 Emerald2    You have so many  mods on there.
02:16 Emerald2    Though a lot of them are parts of homedecor and mesecons...
02:32 misspapaya  I just clicked mods that looked fun without thinking much
02:35 Emerald2    The server has sharks now.
02:52 misspapaya  that was weird
02:53 Emerald2    lol
02:53 Emerald2    Hazard with carts. Getting stuck inside other people also in carts.
02:54 misspapaya  ah
06:10 misspapaya  Emerald2: I put in trains where the mine carts were
06:11 Emerald2    Crikey. OK nice.
09:00 jas_        Shara: hello, i've asked rubenwardy and vanessae for voice on hub, but i've still not been added to the autovoice list.  i've just restarted my computer and i'd like to get voice again, thanks
09:01 jas_        does anyone know who maintains the list of people allowed to speak on #minetest-hub?
09:02 jas_        celeron55: hi
09:45 texmex      oil_boi: Chip’s Challenge. Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long, long time.
11:15 Flam0re     Anyone knows where minetest.conf (the server one) is on FreeBSD?
11:17 Miniontoby  in the folder of mt
11:17 Miniontoby  where also the bin, worlds, games, mods and the other folders are
11:17 Flam0re     In my case there is only worlds and debug.txt
11:18 Miniontoby  worlds and debug
11:18 Miniontoby  wait
11:18 Miniontoby  give the run cmd
11:18 Flam0re     like the way i use to run minetest server right?
11:18 Miniontoby  yes
11:18 Flam0re     'minetestserver'
11:18 Miniontoby  ok
11:19 Miniontoby  make in the folder where the worlds and the debug.txt is an minetest.conf
11:19 Miniontoby  if it doesn´t get used the first time
11:19 Miniontoby  do ¨minetestserver --config /dir/to/minetest.conf¨
11:20 Flam0re     should the text of minetest.conf i created change?
11:21 Miniontoby  wait
11:21 Miniontoby  https://pastebin.debian.net
11:21 Miniontoby  wait
11:21 Miniontoby  http://paste.debian.net/
11:21 Miniontoby  here
11:21 Miniontoby  add your minetest.conf
11:21 Miniontoby  and give link
11:22 Flam0re     I already said i got no minetest.conf, i created one with just a comment to see
11:22 Miniontoby  ok
11:22 Miniontoby  wait
11:22 sfan5       minetest can decide to write to your minetest.conf if the settings have changed during runtime
11:22 Miniontoby  let me make one
11:22 Miniontoby  plz answer the questions
11:23 Miniontoby  1: What is the name of the server
11:23 Flam0re     I mean you can give me filled with just random things so i can change it
11:23 Miniontoby  I will create one
11:23 Miniontoby  ok
11:23 Miniontoby  but I need the info
11:24 Flam0re     1. "Just a random server"
11:24 Miniontoby  ok
11:26 Miniontoby  2: serveraddress
11:26 Flam0re     comment it out
11:26 Miniontoby  ok
11:26 Miniontoby  3: server_description
11:26 sfan5       if you want to see where the config would ordinarily be, run the server with --verbose
11:27 sfan5       it will print a path with "Detected user path:", minetest.conf is searched for in that folder
11:27 Miniontoby  I need the info
11:28 Miniontoby  give your ingame name
11:29 Miniontoby  4: give your ingame name
11:29 Miniontoby  I need it
11:30 Flam0re     Uh the printing goes too fast and debug.txt didn't save anything from --verbose
11:30 Miniontoby  4: give your ingame name
11:30 ANAND       Flam0re: Maybe redirect the output to a file?
11:31 ANAND       minetest --verbose > verbose_output.txt
11:31 Miniontoby  minetestserver --verbose > log.txt
11:31 Miniontoby  maybe
11:31 Miniontoby  Flam0re is your nickname Flam0re
11:31 Flam0re     no
11:32 Miniontoby  4: give your ingame name
11:32 Miniontoby  I need it
11:32 Flam0re     I can do it myself
11:32 Miniontoby  ok
11:33 Miniontoby  http://paste.debian.net/1147427/
11:33 Miniontoby  here
11:33 Miniontoby  you can download and edit it
11:35 Flam0re     --verbose > verbose.txt wrote 0 lines
11:35 Miniontoby  ok
11:35 Miniontoby  here
11:35 Miniontoby  http://paste.debian.net/1147427/
11:35 Miniontoby  you can download and edit it
11:35 Miniontoby  !help
11:35 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
11:35 Miniontoby  !title http://paste.debian.net/1147427/
11:35 MinetestBot Miniontoby: debian Pastezone
11:36 Flam0re     I feel like the FreeBSD binary of minetest/minetestserver might be broken or something
11:39 sfan5       Flam0re: try minetestserver --verbose --worldlist ""
11:39 sfan5       should print 10 lines at most
11:41 Flam0re     The config doesn't seem to be in system-wide path
11:41 Flam0re     nor in user-path
11:43 Miniontoby  http://paste.debian.net/1147427/
11:43 Flam0re     Can you not kthx
11:43 sfan5       that's where it searches for the file, doesn't need to mean there is one already
11:44 Flam0re     I might just install minetestserver on other machine and copy the default config
11:45 sfan5       the default configuration is an empty file
11:45 ANAND       ^
11:45 sfan5       unless you're looking for the documentation which is named minetest.conf.example and probably somewhere in /usr/share
11:46 ANAND       If you already have a config with some server-specific settings and MT doesn't detect it, you can use the --config command-line switch to explicitly read from the specified config
12:03 Daisae      Is there a command to see what version of the game (not engine) is running?  I need to know for tests.
12:04 Emerald2    On linux or?
12:05 Daisae      yes.  I am hoping that there is a better way than using strace
12:05 Emerald2    minetest --version
12:06 Daisae      and the version which is loaded is going to be the one under STATIC_SHAREDIR ?
12:07 Daisae      and not possible from elsewhere, such as under /usr/local/share ?
12:08 Emerald2    Don't know. It'd be whichever version you have installed. Maybe I'm not understanding exactly what you're wanting here.
12:20 Daisae      I have multiple versions of the engine and game installed.
12:20 Daisae      I can see which version of the engine is running from the Credits tab when the engine starts or from the first line of minetest --version.
12:20 Daisae      How do I see which version of the game is running?  One version is under /usr/share and another under /usr/local/share .
12:23 Emerald2    I just assumed it had the same version as the engine. *shrug*
12:23 Emerald2    perhaps one of the devs will come along with better info than that soon
12:31 sfan5       if you run minetest --verbose it will also print the share path, the game it uses will be $path_share/games/minetest_game
12:31 Emerald2    sfan to the rescue again ;)
12:32 Daisae      Thanks.  I take it that is the value of STATIC_SHAREDIR
12:32 Daisae      oops
12:33 Daisae      'Detected share path'
12:37 Daisae      -- which in my cases are the same as STATIC_SHAREDIR
13:04 Flam0re     yikes `servers.minetest.net/announce not found (Couldn't connect to server) (response code 0)`
14:13 Flam0re     Anyone who ran a FreeBSD minetest server knows how to port forward?
14:13 Flam0re     i've port forwarded in the router but it seems freebsd doesn't allow it
15:36 pi_____     Anyone knows how to port forward on FreeBsd? it seems that just port forwarding on the router isn't enough for a minetest server
15:38 sfan5       did you check the firwall rules?
15:45 pi_____     I didn't install a firewall but it might be enabled by default
15:51 pi_____     Would it be enought to just do "firewall_enable="no""?
15:57 sfan5       I don't use freebsd so I can't tell you
15:57 sfan5       why not give it a try?
15:58 pi_____     I tried firewall_enable="no" and firewall_type="open"
15:58 pi_____     nothing worked,
15:58 pi_____     Can it be because i have 2 routers bridging? do i have to port forward on both then?
16:03 sfan5       typically not
16:04 sfan5       the router that is in bridge mode will just pass packets through, the one that isn't then has the actual firewall where you need to do forwarding
16:05 pi_____     Really strange that is.
16:06 pi_____     The firewall in the server really is disabled
16:10 pi_____     Here is the port forwarding data i used in my router https://hatebin.com/cjzvrcrmgn
16:48 jas_        !server
16:48 MinetestBot jas_: BingFengLanYe Minetest | 45.195.155.59 | Clients: 0/15, 0/1 | Version: 5.2.0 / minetest | Ping: 209ms
16:48 jas_        !mod
16:48 jas_        !bye
19:39 lmat        Do carts sort of suck?
19:39 sfan5       perhaps
19:40 lmat        I'm installing some tracks down to my mine...it's a little rough. Are there tricks that I'm not getting?
19:45 baggy       hi
19:46 Krock       lmat: at fast speeds consider increasing this value: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/carts/init.lua#L16
19:47 Krock       it becomes important when the server step is larger than one travelled node
19:47 Krock       in singleplayer that won't be a problem. if you're getting stutters there, it might be due to mapblock loading or client-server sync weirdness
19:48 sfan5       couldn't it determine that automatically?
19:48 sfan5       also: unrelated but I've heard that shift-clicking carts is confusing to some players, punching to pick up might be more intuitive (then movement could be replaced with WASD)
19:48 Krock       it already does that. 3 is the hard limit
19:49 sfan5       Krock: from the dedicated_server_step value I mean
19:50 Krock       it uses velocity * dtime to calculate the travelled distance, and optimally that's <1m
19:50 Krock       dtime is kinda the server step so yes..
19:50 lmat        Ah, that's how I pick up the cart.
19:51 lmat        Sometimes it gets going the wrong way and my track is very long, so I would like to stop it. Now I can just pick it up ^_^
19:51 lmat        oh crap, there it goes
19:56 lmat        Yes, punching the cart is total crap. Most of the time I can't even punch it because it's wiggling around so much. WASD would be *much* better.
19:56 Krock       D = handbrake on
19:56 Krock       A/S = rail switching
19:59 lmat        Krock: Is that current or proposed?
20:01 sfan5       current apparently
20:01 sfan5       no idea what a/s does though
20:28 WereWolf2   hello
20:52 lmat        whoa, this is busted.
20:52 lmat        I'm in a cart and someone else is in a cart. Our carts are on top of each other at the end of aline.
20:52 lmat        Neither of us can do anything. When we click (to try to punch the cart), we just hit the other guy. When we right-click (to try to exit the cart), we right click the other guy so we don't exit the cart.
20:52 lmat        When I type '/home' to try to go home, I don't go home (presumeably because I'm in a cart).
20:54 lmat        I exited the game, so now we're cool.
20:54 lmat        How do I pick up the cart?
20:55 lmat        I thought Shift+punch did it, but now I can't pick it up.
20:57 sfan5       lmat: try entering it first, then exiting again
21:13 lmat        sfan5: Okay. I've tried a lot, but I'll try that specifically.
21:21 lmat        sfan5: Okay, I'm in the cart and out of the cart, shift click and click do the same thing
21:32 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Add missing sao->isGone() checks 130fc51db https://git.io/JfuqW (152020-05-18T21:23:25Z)
21:51 sagax       hi all!
21:51 sagax       how to show parameters of mods with console in game?
21:51 sagax       /mods can show list of modules
21:59 sfan5       parameters as in configuration settings?
22:00 sagax       yes, params of module
22:21 sagax       and
22:21 sagax       how to place some block to some place with api?
22:22 sfan5       you can see settings in the main menu under "All settings" and "+ Mods"
22:35 sagax       no, i can't, it's not my server, i want see configuration of mods, but it's not my server
22:54 sfan5       you want to see the configuration the server has, then? that's not possible
22:55 sagax       i think, that some conf it's public access
23:12 lmat        The craftguide mod is causing my server to crash.
23:14 lmat        https://paste.rs/Anj
23:15 lmat        Also this error: https://paste.rs/LZN
23:15 lmat        Similar but not identical.
23:18 lmat        wait...maybe they are the same.