Time  Nick        Message
01:26 luvo        Is there anyway of stopping fall damage? apart from a deep watter hole?
01:27 luvo        in minetest_game
02:20 kaeza       luvo, either water or ladders IIRC
02:21 kaeza       but take it with a grain of salt; I've been off for almost 3 years
08:57 Krock       luvo: bouncy nodes
08:57 Krock       or write a mod that overrides fall damage with 0
08:59 ANAND       Krock: I think they're asking for an in-game solution
08:59 Krock       mods are in-game solutions
09:00 ANAND       :)
09:03 luvo        thaaank you guys!
09:04 Krock       !next
09:04 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
09:04 luvo        hahahaha
10:27 nadav       Im trying to start a server using my pi
10:28 nadav       I downloaded the minetest server from the debian sid repos
10:28 nadav       but im getting this error message
10:29 nadav       https://pastebin.com/yTDpKYhQ
10:29 nadav       thank you very much!
11:06 sfan5       nadav: I don't see any useful log output in there
11:07 sfan5       except maybe the signal=ILL suggesting that the binary you have uses CPU instructions you're missing
11:08 nadav       that would make sense
11:08 nadav       I tried compiling it but it took 5 hours and was barely even on 20%
11:09 nadav       becauase im on a pi..
11:09 nadav       I think its a pi1
11:11 sfan5       you need an armv6l binary then
11:13 Emerald2    Do you know where he could get one?
11:14 nadav       Could I try to compile it on my main PC then port it over
11:14 sfan5       you can but cross-compiling is certainly not simple
11:14 nadav       I assume there is a flag that I can enable to make the compiler do it for ATM
11:14 nadav       oh
11:14 nadav       *ARM
11:15 sfan5       the rpi1 will be too slow for "serious" server usage but if you want to play around with it can I can cross-compile a binary for you
11:15 nadav       yes!
11:15 nadav       that would be amazing!!!!!
11:16 nadav       I just need it for maybe 2 or 3 people
11:16 sfan5       are you running raspbian 10? or 9?
11:17 nadav       10
11:18 nadav       pi@raspberrypi:~ $ uname -a
11:18 nadav       Linux raspberrypi 5.4.40+ #1316 Tue May 12 12:59:15 BST 2020 armv6l GNU/Linux
11:18 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1316 -- Online mod repository is broken on master
11:19 nadav       *10.4
11:20 sfan5       hm, raspbian buster for pi1 is the same download as all the others right?
11:20 nadav       ummmmm, I dont know
11:20 nadav       do you mean the img file for flashing it?
11:20 sfan5       yes
11:20 nadav       I think so
11:21 nadav       I'm not sure though
11:23 sfan5       hm yes should be alright
11:24 luvo        you don't see this in many development teams!
11:24 nadav       what?
11:24 luvo        a dev cross compiling for a user hahaha
11:25 luvo        which is incredibly cool
11:34 nadav       ikr
11:36 sfan5       nadav: https://kitsunemimi.pw/tmp/minetestserver-5.2.0-rpi1.tar.gz
11:36 nadav       omg
11:36 nadav       thanks!!
11:36 sfan5       you can extract it and run ./bin/minetestserver, it will keep all files (world, config, ...) in the same folder
11:37 Emerald2    You're the best, sfan. :)
11:38 nadav       omg thank you so much!!!!
11:38 nadav       your the best :)
11:40 sfan5       since the rpi is slow you might want to look into these https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1825
11:42 nadav       so should I paste this into my config?
11:43 sfan5       probably
11:44 nadav       sick!
11:44 sfan5       maybe just the last two though, everything related to block_sends is for saving bandwidth
11:46 nadav       what does active_block_range do?
11:48 nadav       also were is config file located
11:49 sfan5       minetest.conf where all the other folders are by default
11:50 sfan5       you can create it if it doesn't exist or specify a different location using --config
11:50 sfan5       minetest.conf.example documents what the settings do
11:51 nadav       oh all right
11:52 nadav       so should I rename minetest.conf.example to minetest.conf
11:52 sfan5       no
11:52 nadav       so I should just edit it directly?
11:52 sfan5       create a new, empty minetest.conf where you put your settings
11:53 nadav       sounds good
11:53 sfan5       (you can also rename and edit, but personally I find it more useful to keep minetest.conf.example as a read-only reference)
11:54 nadav       That makes sense
11:54 nadav       and I make it in the top level directory
11:54 nadav       ?
11:55 sfan5       in the same directory with bin, games, mods, textures, ... yes
11:55 nadav       yes thank you!
12:52 nephele     I am tempted to can the hud api and try to make a new one
12:52 nephele     it's quite hard to make a predicatable hud with it... and impossible to do so while having it properly scalled .-.
14:51 appguru     The server list should probably be moderated, as some servers are using bot players to boost their popularity. Those servers should probably be warned and later penalized (by manually decreasing their "score").
14:57 sfan5       source?
16:24 appguru     sfan5: Source? As in, a citation to prove that some servers are using bot players?
16:28 rubenwardy  n.  Guest123's law: any Android player is indistinguishable from a bot
16:30 sfan5       appguru: yes
17:08 nephele     lol, why go to the effort of having bots if you can just lie to the listing server
17:18 appguru     lying would be more obvious I guess
17:18 appguru     but a server lying to the listing server would definitely require a penalty
17:21 jas_        !server
17:21 MinetestBot jas_: THE CREATIVE GARDENS | animine.org:53000 | Clients: 0/15, 0/3 | Version: 5.2.0-animine / minetest_game | Ping: 81ms
17:22 jas_        no problem
17:25 oil_boi     Bots?
17:30 oil_boi     also texmex the abillity to just hover over a node or entity and have it do something will be extremely useful, I can create different things with this, you can create ideas with this and I will set a on_hover function for nodes and entities built into the crafter game api
17:31 appguru     it's pretty easy actually, just a globalstep + a raycast
17:31 appguru     (and probably checking for tool range if it matters for your usecase)
17:31 oil_boi     Yes but a clientside version so that players cannot abuse lag to look around things like endermen
17:48 texmex      oil_boi: exactly my thinking as well. Basically a SSM able to register callbacks in the CSM so that the CSM alerts the SSM whenever a node/entity of pointed at.
18:02 oil_boi     So how it will work is client does 0.05 second tick using after, registers if node or entity has on_hover, tells server using serialized table or entity, server deserializes table or entity and executes entity or node on_hover
18:03 oil_boi     I might have to use globalstep with a tick toggle with on and off state so that it does it at half the fps of the client to save a little performance
18:04 oil_boi     Offtopic: Also I just calculated the miles with the idle hours on my CVPI and it's at 455364 miles per ford holy shoit
18:06 oil_boi     I'm not sure how much impact doing a raycast every client frame will actually have though as WAILA uses 0.1 fps tick
18:07 appguru     The client already does a raycast every frame I think
18:07 oil_boi     0.01*
18:07 oil_boi     appguru is there any way to access that information through csm?
18:07 appguru     most likely not
18:07 oil_boi     Oof :L
18:08 oil_boi     Maybe I could just bolt the on_hover library to waila?
18:09 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Add core.open_url() to main menu API (#8592) 13a9c3a42 https://git.io/JfETu (152020-05-17T18:09:10Z)
18:14 sfan5       2020-05-17 20:14:08: ERROR[Server]: Server::ActiveObjectMgr::addActiveObjectRaw(): no free id available
18:14 texmex      <oil_boi "Maybe I could just bolt the on_h"> That’s how I did it, yeah.
18:14 sfan5       I think I might have dropped too much sand
18:16 oil_boi     Oh my, yes that happens to me too when I go nuts with a level 50 swiftness, durable, and fortune gold shovel
18:17 oil_boi     texmex, I will look into this then, maybe it would be more intelligent to use a global step for the waila loop instead and change the lua file to pointing.lua
18:17 sfan5       ERROR[Server]: suspiciously large amount of objects detected: 2223 in (1,-1,24); removing all of them.
18:17 sfan5       :DDD
18:18 Krock       woth it
18:37 oil_boi     There's gotta be a better texture for leaves
18:45 appguru     I'm currently wondering: what would be the best way to show node hp?
18:45 appguru     Options I have considered:
18:45 appguru     - Multiple registered nodes
18:46 appguru     - paramtype2 = color indexing an alpha palette, "blend-in"-crack texture
18:47 oil_boi     node hp? Like how far in the digging animation it is?
18:48 appguru     Sort of
18:48 appguru     But I plan to use it for explosions etc.
18:48 appguru     And only for a few special nodes
18:48 oil_boi     Why not just use meta data then
18:48 appguru     Because I want it to show somehow
18:48 appguru     So that you can see: ah, this node has low HP, TNT-time
18:49 oil_boi     HMMM, if you're only doing it for a few nodes then use multiple nodes
18:49 oil_boi     I'm gonna guess, zelda breaking the wall with a bomb type of execution
18:49 appguru     Probably multiple nodes combined with paramtype2 = color?
18:51 oil_boi     Ooo that's a good idea
18:52 oil_boi     I could have sworn we had a way to modify nodes in the terrain
18:57 oil_boi     Animated sprite textures seem to be broken oh nu
18:58 appguru     I had considered tile animations as well, but I think they lack the required persistence?
19:05 oil_boi     lbm set self tile location?
19:37 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: builtin: Move common/async_event.lua to mainmenu/async_event.lua 1311723cf https://git.io/JfEIS (152020-05-17T19:37:01Z)
19:37 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: content_mapblock: Move static initialization out of functions 1352430d3 https://git.io/JfEI9 (152020-05-17T19:37:01Z)
19:37 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Client: Add sum and average to packetcounter 13be38a44 https://git.io/JfEIH (152020-05-17T19:37:01Z)
20:05 oil_boi     Is animating nodes possible yet?
20:06 nephele     depends
20:07 nephele     You can make a node that has an animation plaing all the time afaik, but no arbitrary animations based on node content or so
20:08 nephele     (unless you register all possible states as seperate nodes and switch between them)
20:08 oil_boi     Is there a way to make the node only play the animation once?
20:09 nephele     Hmm, i think there was a way to pause the animation, but don't quite me on that :g
20:09 nephele     If you want to play it once you could swap between an animated and non-animated variant i gues
20:09 nephele     kinda like the mtg furnace switches between active and non-active mode
20:12 fluxflux    I'm trying to fix a longstanding issue, in which a player can place a node over the top-half of a travelnet, which causes Problems. For anyone not familiar, the upper half of a travelnet isn't a separate node, but just a mesh/collsion box extended to 2 blocks high. What needs to be done, is to check that the node below isn't a travelnet node and prevent the placement. `minetest.register_on_placenode` feels like it's called
20:12 fluxflux    too late (i'd have to properly remove the node and re-add it to the player's inventory). i can't see any way to add behavior to the travelnet itself to prevent this, outside of some complicated mechanic that makes the upper half a proper node somehow. should i override `minetest.place_node`? is there a cleaner way to do this?
20:13 oil_boi     fluxflux when a player places a travelnet it needs to create a fakenode on top of it that's drawtype is airlike and when it is on_destruct, then remove the node above it otherwise it will happen
20:13 fluxflux    yeah, that's an option, i feel like there ought to be a simpler way...
20:14 sfan5       what oil_boi describes is how doors do it and it's been solid
20:14 fluxflux    ah interesting
20:14 oil_boi     You can set this with on_construct, pos.y = pos.y +1 minetest.set_node(pos, {name="mod:fakenode"}) and then repeat the function on destruct but do minetest.remove_node(pos)
20:14 sfan5       and by the way if you wanted to do it the other way you'd override `minetest.item_place_node`
20:14 fluxflux    maybe i can copy over the code from doors
20:15 oil_boi     Maybe I can help you even further and create a comment on travelnet
20:17 oil_boi     Sokomine, I am looking through the code and will help this become a non-issue, because I have seen this a few times
20:17 fluxflux    i wish you luck w/ that, i've had little luck getting Sokomine to accept PRs :)
20:18 nephele     oil_boi, by the way, i tried the quickloot thingy, it's not quite possible yet, i could make a very simple version that has a special icon for each item/node and use the limited keybinds available, but that is not that nice :)
20:19 oil_boi     nephele you should try to combine it with a client mod and check the scrolling of the hotbar to navigate through the submenu and rightclick leftclick to do certain things in it
20:22 oil_boi     So I was able to replicate the issue https://i.imgur.com/ZwkT4bC.png
20:26 nephele     oil_boi, i am only using a client mod anyhow
20:26 nephele     hmm, what do you mean with the scrollbar?
20:26 oil_boi     Hotbar, you can scroll through elements if you check the hotbar selection position
20:27 nephele     I think i may actually be able to obtain the texture names if i make a server mod for it and use mod channels to send them, for some reason the current csm does not allow me to check the tiles definition of nodes
20:27 nephele     oil_boi, hmm, what call would that be?
20:27 nephele     like players wield index or so?
20:28 nephele     Okay, i could use that for selection i suppose
20:28 nephele     but right and left click i can't really catch reliably (so you don't accidentally interact with the enviroment)
20:29 nephele     so might use e to interact and shift+e for "entire stack" or so
20:32 nephele     oil_boi, okay, i can try it again tommorow utilizing the wield index and a serverside component
20:32 nephele     but it is gonna be somewhat hacky ;
20:32 nephele     :D
20:36 Sokomine    fluxflux: hmm. travelnet and travelnet elevator use diffrent technics in this. i'm undecided as to what is the best approach...but yes, placing something where the upper part of a travelnet is might cause problems with arriving players
20:37 nephele     only if the upper part has a collision mesh that is a problem, if you have to have one you could even make it match the one of the lower part of the travelnet
20:38 Sokomine    oil_boi: hmm. if this happens so often i probably really will have to take a look at it and place a fake node. vanessae also reminded me that there's work to do on my travelnet
20:38 Sokomine    fluxflux: i'm just lazy. it's not that prs are unwanted or anything. i just...keep looking at my repros from time to time (which might even be months or years between) and fix one in on go. unless i notice something myswelf and get aware of a problem
20:39 Sokomine    it's in general best to msg me here or send a forum pm. and to repeat the process until i've fixed it :-) don't bother too much that that might be considered spam...a friendly reminder won't :-)
20:39 fluxflux    i thought busy, i don't blame you, and appreciate what you've done
20:39 fluxflux    (afk for a bit)
20:40 Sokomine    yes, busy sometimes as well. but a reminder is always welcome
20:41 Sokomine    so please don't feel bad if your pr isn't regarded immediately. it may take...time...until i'll reply :/
20:41 oil_boi     Sokomine https://github.com/Sokomine/travelnet/pull/57
20:41 oil_boi     Here is a quickfix to solve the problem, this can be worked upon
20:45 oil_boi     VSCode messed up the indentation but that can easily be fixed
20:47 oil_boi     Also this disallows liquids to flow into the travelnet and elevator which was something else I tested
21:24 oil_boi     yo leo_rockway you find anything else?
21:24 oil_boi     I'm trying to kill any bugs before I move onto mob pathfinding optimization
21:25 leo_rockway oil_boi: I found that I can't run Crafter unless I'm on latest dev and MineClone2 doesn't support latest dev. So I find myself switching from one to the other, haha.
21:25 leo_rockway oil_boi: I actually found an issue, but I don't know how it happened or how to replicate it. I built an aether portal and it didn't transport me anywhere. So I built another one next to it, and that one worked.
21:25 leo_rockway nothing meaningful in the console output.
21:26 oil_boi     Aw man, yeah. I think it's kind of ironic one game supports latest dev but aims to be an old build and the other wants to be latest and only supports stable
21:26 oil_boi     That's actually what I expected, that whole portal api needs a rebuild
21:27 oil_boi     I've never seen anyone do portals like that before, so I will try to improve it
21:27 leo_rockway but I like the portal transition. I wish I hadn't watched the video in advance. It would've been a pleasant surprise.
21:27 oil_boi     Thanks bro
21:27 leo_rockway I like that animals look at the player, that's huge. The animals in all other games look like droid animals.
21:28 oil_boi     There's gotta be some way to do that with 100% consistency without causing lag
21:28 leo_rockway I feel that the fx for hitting mobs is weird. It's a metal fx, even when I hit a pig with my bare hand.
21:28 oil_boi     Hell yeah man, next step, the mob looks all the way to the direction before even moving then starts to move smoothing out their head animation
21:29 leo_rockway oil_boi: I don't know what's different in the animation of the creeper in Crafter vs MineClone2, but Crafter's one seems more vivid. I think it's his feet that make the difference.
21:29 oil_boi     Yeah, it's actually broken right now, I'm not sure what is causing it exactly
21:29 oil_boi     leo_rockway are crafter and MC2 using the same animation?
21:30 leo_rockway it seemed somewhat different to me.
21:30 oil_boi     Err model not animation
21:30 oil_boi     I will download mc2 and test it rn
21:30 leo_rockway I think the model is the same, the animation looks different to me, though. In MineClone2 creepers kind of look like they are levitating. Their feet are kind of weird.
21:30 leo_rockway I don't know if it's just my perseption, though.
21:30 leo_rockway perception*
21:31 leo_rockway oil_boi: I haven't checked the nether yet. I didn't have flint and steel to ignite the portal.
21:31 leo_rockway I saw that you fixed that now.
21:33 leo_rockway I really like MineClone2, but the mobs need tlc. So I like Crafter mobs so far.
21:33 oil_boi     Oh, well the first thing I found was the animation for the creeper is incorrectly set via 22i's model, I just punched it and it lit, then didn't do anything, I kept punching it and nothing happened, then I backed away and my headphones capped out when it reignited 500+ times in 3 seconds :(
21:34 leo_rockway oil_boi: I don't recall, but it might be that your bare hand does no damage to the mobs in MineClone2.
21:35 oil_boi     Holy crap you're right
21:35 leo_rockway the whole damage thing needs rework. If you wear armor you're pretty much unkillable.
21:35 leo_rockway it's reported, so he's aware.
21:35 oil_boi     Maybe I can help the project, but I cannot find a github page for it
21:35 sfan5       !mod mineclone2
21:35 MinetestBot sfan5: Convert Minetest world to Mineclone2 WIP [gt2mc2] by maikerumine - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=17907 - https://github.com/maikerumine/gt2mc2
21:35 sfan5       no not that
21:36 leo_rockway oil_boi: I'll get you the link.
21:36 sfan5       either way mineclone uses some niche git hosting site
21:36 oil_boi     That is definitely not good
21:36 leo_rockway https://git.minetest.land/Wuzzy/MineClone2/
21:37 oil_boi     Ooooh
21:37 Wuzzy       !mod is broken
21:37 leo_rockway I understand him not wanting to use Github.
21:37 oil_boi     Wuzzy can I create a git clone on github and then just send you a link to all the fixes?
21:38 leo_rockway I don't really like nonfree software, and in the case of Github it's kind of concerning that MS could at any time decide to get rid of Minetest. It might be a paranoid thought, but MS has done bad things in the past.
21:38 Wuzzy       of course you can clone mineclone2 ?
21:38 oil_boi     Oh yes, I have that same fear, that's why I have over 20 backup sights when I create any commit
21:38 Wuzzy       its even in the name ?
21:38 sfan5       "Microsoft deletes random project because they felt like it" is a PR nightmare and not realistic
21:39 Wuzzy       i hope you all have backups of all the issues. just saying
21:39 Wuzzy       github is at least kinda usable without activating JS hell
21:39 leo_rockway sfan5: it is, but MS has done really bad stuff in the past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents
21:39 oil_boi     I only have one thing to add to this to qualm any fear  https://github.com/torvalds/linux
21:39 Wuzzy       which is the reason why I do not avoid GitHub competely
21:40 Wuzzy       I do avoid Transfex since a good while tho
21:40 Wuzzy       because its literally JS hell
21:40 Wuzzy       yes, i also dislike MS, but thats not the reason why i dislike GH
21:40 oil_boi     If the creator of git uses github, I think it is safe, just create backups
21:41 leo_rockway oil_boi: Torvalds was perfectly happy using BitKeeper too.
21:41 oil_boi     I have...5228 versions of crafter backed up alone
21:41 sfan5       leo_rockway: I am aware of that
21:41 Wuzzy       It's still concerning that a single hoster hosts so many many repos at once
21:41 Wuzzy       single point of failure
21:41 rubenwardy  !mod [mineclone2]
21:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: There are no results for this query :(
21:41 oil_boi     Whoa no, this is turning into a non-solvable argument
21:42 Wuzzy       !mod MineClone 2
21:42 MinetestBot Wuzzy: MineClone 2 by Wuzzy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=16407 - https://git.minetest.land/Wuzzy/MineClone2
21:42 Wuzzy       aha! there we go!
21:42 oil_boi     Anyways, Wuzzy I will help you with the damage if I can wrap my head around the damage system
21:42 rom1504     "js hell", are you stuck in 2000 Wuzzy ?
21:43 Wuzzy       current year argument detected
21:43 oil_boi     That's why I built my own damage system, I couldn't understand other ones, and it was ultra extremely annoying
21:43 Wuzzy       have you looked at Transifex's source code? then you'll understand. ?
21:44 oil_boi     If you look at the linux source code then the java script argument becomes a grain of sand in the test of time
21:44 Wuzzy       thats not really the reason...
21:44 rom1504     ah you mean the code is bad ?
21:45 rom1504     I see a lot of python in their github org
21:45 Wuzzy       lets just say i dont trust the company
21:45 Wuzzy       I also dont avoid *all* of the JS.
21:46 Wuzzy       but i only turn it on when i absolutely must, AND i am not distrusting the source. the more complex the JS, the harder it becomes to convince me to turn it on ?
21:46 oil_boi     No, I mean, it's creating minor memory leaks. I'm not saying I could make literally anything anywhere close to Linux kernel, but I do not want to create shit code that Linus has a heart attack over
21:46 rom1504     ok so you do mean you don't want to use js in a browser
21:46 oil_boi     I have a feeling wuzzy uses links
21:46 Wuzzy       thats not what im saying...
21:47 rom1504     why do you like better all the bad c and c++ code that make your apps ?
21:47 Wuzzy       huh? links? of course i do. i mean links are the bread and butter of the WWW. using the web without clickable links seems ... strange?
21:48 oil_boi     I come from a time where exiting and joining a game caused minetest to use 5GB on the main menu due to memory leaks, I would have to say we are fine
21:49 oil_boi     Also it seems we are all putting out our anger individually on individual things, so please, get it out right now in furious texts
21:49 Wuzzy       i believe the memory leak is still not fixed... ?
21:50 oil_boi     I will start: IT SHOULD f***** NOT take 3 seconds for a website to load on 100MBPS internet
21:50 Wuzzy       Word!
21:50 oil_boi     I believe you are RIGHT, and we should fix it
21:50 oil_boi     BUT, HOW, will we fix it? WHERE is the memory leak coming from?
21:50 Wuzzy       back to topic... something about memory leak. when i restart my game over and over again my memory usage is only going up
21:51 Wuzzy       the only way to make it go away is to close minetest. way to fill up 8 gigs really fast. yes, something is really wrong here
21:51 oil_boi     One second, I shall restart my client over and over again for the next 5 minutes
21:51 Wuzzy       nonono
21:51 Wuzzy       i mean, restart the game in minetest, not minetest itself
21:51 nephele     oil_boi, btw, yesterday you said you want to get a game like feed the beats, have you ever played the minecraft modpack "big dig"?
21:52 Wuzzy       if you restart minetest, your memory is freed again
21:52 oil_boi     Yes I have and it has not solved my desires, but I shall need a few minutes to monitor this issue I am testing
21:53 oil_boi     My base at main menu: 56MB
21:55 nephele     I can kinda reproduce that, seems to help the usage if i load more chunks
21:55 nephele     on 5.3-dev
21:55 oil_boi     I will not continue any further: in the time it took from me to post that original comment and keep restarting the game, 1.5GB memory usage
21:56 leo_rockway Wuzzy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_%28web_browser%29
21:56 leo_rockway I'm guessing that's what oil_boi was talking about.
21:57 nephele     oil_boi, well, that mod pack (especially the bountifull earth) aswell as buildcraft in it and industrial craft (i think?) are some of the inspiration i have for my subgame
21:57 leo_rockway I try to avoid JS too. It makes websites gigantic for no reason.
21:57 nephele     so i thought it was pretty interesting that you also seem to want to move in a similar direction
21:57 oil_boi     I may reiterate, again, where in the source code are we creating new memory spaces for all of these variables in the engine's source code? Is it item or node or tool definitions? Is it compressed cached textures?
21:59 oil_boi     nephele I will look at your game soon
22:00 oil_boi     This seems like it's almost perfectly fitting the definition of every node and entities mesh whether or not it uses a mesh, as if it is keeping them in memory
22:00 leo_rockway oil_boi: how does running / fov work in a server? is it still fine or is it too hacky to let it work correctly there? I feel that it works great in singleplayer.
22:00 leo_rockway s/running/sprinting
22:01 oil_boi     Oh trust me leo_rockway it's laggy as in MC, the only solution to this is CSM, sadly
22:01 oil_boi     I cannot work around the anchors of the engine
22:02 leo_rockway oil_boi: is there any limitation to keeping it CSM?
22:02 appguru     leo_rockway: servers, mainly
22:02 leo_rockway oh, of course. Silly question, haha. Thanks appguru
22:03 oil_boi     Oh absolutely, right now CSM is owned by the clients namespace, a server cannot maintain what code is run in client it only can communicate with it, the solution that has been brought forth is: the client receives the CS mods from the server and it cannot be touched, because at that point you are working with 1s and 0s trying to hack it
22:04 oil_boi     You can hack my Crafter mods like there's no tomorrow
22:05 oil_boi     A server being able to modify what the client is running in that sense would be the equivalent to accidentally installing a keylogger on your computer
22:05 oil_boi     It's not remotely the same based on the current code that is enabled in the game, but I hope you understand my point
22:06 leo_rockway yup, I got it.
22:06 oil_boi     Just like mod security, there is definitely a way to upload client mods from the server and having the client actively interpreting the code in a safe way
22:07 nephele     Garry's mod had a model like that, funnily enough on one fatefull night someoen managed to abuse a server and client exploit to have a self-replicating virus over gmod that infected servers and then its clients, and then clients infected severs :D
22:07 nephele     It only made you spam *cough* in the chat though, and join the steam universe chat to caugh there, and caugh to your steam friends... not that hostile as such (was named the cough virus cus of that)
22:07 oil_boi     That's sadly what happens when valve employees run 18 hour days without communicating with their security division of developers
22:08 nephele     gmod is not made by valve
22:08 nephele     it's made by facepunch
22:11 oil_boi     Ahh I see GMOD is using the builtin libraries from source
22:12 oil_boi     So in the sense we are talking about it, networking, yes, yes it is
22:12 nephele     They use large parts of the source engine indeed, but they cook their own sauce so to speak :P
22:13 nephele     The exploit also relied on the ability to execute lua code, so you know, nothing other valve games had to deal with
22:23 leo_rockway oil_boi: if you work on mobs / damage in MineClone2 and Wuzzy likes the changes and merges them, that's going to be so awesome.
22:24 leo_rockway I'm not a gamer, but I've been playing MineClone2 the last few days. I feel that the mobs are just dumb, sitting in water for the most part (I have a lake in front of my house and mobs tend to get stuck there).
22:24 leo_rockway also, villages with villagers would make the exploring part more fun too.
22:24 leo_rockway I know MineClone2 has come a long way, though.
22:25 leo_rockway I've been "playing" Minetest shortly after it came out. Minetest Game is not fun. I understand it's a proof of concept of sorts. I see MineClone2, Crafter and some others as actual games.
22:26 leo_rockway I tried The End for a bit yesterday and it seemed fun too. I was on the dev branch, though, so it crashed on me.
22:37 oil_boi     Just like Windows or Linux is just the base it takes people to build upon it
22:38 leo_rockway yeah, I think the Minetest engine is neat.
22:48 jas_        i couldn't do mc2, because it makes too many assumptions
22:49 jas_        it's nice to play a regular game and then mod it, MTG is a good, stable, regular game
23:06 oil_boi     jas_ Yes, that is the beauty of open world games, you can do whatever you want and no one gets to tell you otherwise
23:07 oil_boi     For example, my implementation of drowning and hunger will probably make like 40-200 people hate me, and that's alright, modify that shit
23:08 oil_boi     But if a base game is too boring to the point where it detracts people from getting that inspirational spark, then there is a problem
23:09 nephele     In mtg i just turn off damage, it's only annoying :P
23:09 oil_boi     Even chips challenge has plenty of people modifying it, so we must aim to have that level of introductionary modification ability from someone who has not created any type of source code
23:10 oil_boi     We must aim to be "chips challenge of a 3d open world game"
23:29 cheapie     If only --migrate-auth gave a progress indication... migrating 433k players takes quite some time :/