Time  Nick           Message
01:51 ANAND          There used to be something resembling an LOD system sometime earlier, but it was removed soon after it was added. I can't seem to find the commit for that...
01:53 oil_boi        ANAND, there was a lot of stuff that was useful that's incompatible with today's api
01:54 oil_boi        It's a curse, and a blessing
02:35 DrFrankenstone oil_boi, since you're requiring a recent MT version, you can put    node_cave_liquid = "air"    in your nether biome definition and get rid of the random floating water/lava
02:49 oil_boi        Thanks DrFrankenstone, you fixed the nether, void, and aether https://github.com/oilboi/Crafter/commit/2bf402aeb30f5b3cd0a047677b257043318f893d
02:49 oil_boi        I couldn't find that variable
02:50 DrFrankenstone param added it quite recently - sometime before mt 5.2 I think. I used it in a minetest-mods/nether PR
02:50 DrFrankenstone *paramat
02:55 oil_boi        My ctrl + F searches aren't very effective at all, but rereading the entire doc is also extremely inefficient. It's like there's not an easy way to find what you're specifically looking for. The only way is to get lucky and lock it in your memory. I mean, this isn't a complaint and that's just how rolling release works. It's just a bit overwhelming at times
02:55 oil_boi        But fixing that would require adding a bunch of keywords and probably 1000+ lines of text to the doc so I'll just keep doing my lucky searches
02:56 oil_boi        And with your help keeping track of stuff like that, it's extremely helpful, so thank you
02:57 DrFrankenstone haha, I saw your Nether portal stuff and was like "wait, client side mods are a thing now? Is that a 5.3 feature?" Then I ctrl+f "client", see nothing and wonder how you found out about all that
03:00 DrFrankenstone doh, today I learned "client_lua_api.txt" is a thing
03:05 oil_boi        Yeah man, without that the portal, double tap running, weather, and such would be an absolute mess
03:05 oil_boi        Some things need the client to work properly
03:05 oil_boi        Clientside modding is ULTRA extremely useful and it is painful to see that a lot of modders do not understand it
03:06 oil_boi        I mean, why render anything at all clientside when the server can do it? Hahahahaha
03:11 oil_boi        You can also do a payload distribution like I do with the player input, splash sounds, scary sounds, and weather particle effects. Getting a stomach ache thinking of the server step time that used to cost attempting that completely in server without distributing processing power
03:12 oil_boi        This does leave PLENTY of room for hacking, but it's extremely easy to program fixes into it. One easy one with the way I do the implementation is always run. Hunger is the easy fix.
03:13 oil_boi        You can always code around clientside mods server side because they always have the final say and control
03:14 oil_boi        Hell, you can even check if a player is using XRAY by checking the frequency of their mining of iron, gold, diamond, redstone to see if it's unrealistic
03:21 oil_boi        I looked into it and you can do the ore scarcity multiplied by run distance per node and then check frequency per node, may be EXTREMELY useful when I port this to a multiplayer mod
03:22 who0           Hi guys, I'm trying to use "minetestmapper" + "leafletjs" to generate html5/interactive map. Have you got a tips/tricks to generete tils ?
03:55 DrFrankenstone music is another one that's hobbled when it's server-side
03:56 Verticen       oil_boi lol u could hav ores explode players determined to be using x-ray
03:58 oil_boi        Ooooo, a clientside music handler. Great idea, lemme add it to the notes. And yes, that could be a solution. I'm actually relieved by the fact that rubenwardy's fix solved the extreme glitches clientside so once I get everything in I can test it in a local server then move to Beta. It was having issues telling me constantly that the client was moving too fast because error 23
03:59 DrFrankenstone where does the 23 in error 23 come from? You have a private list somewhere?
04:00 DrFrankenstone also, while I'm asking questions, where did the nick oil_boi come from?
04:00 oil_boi        It was talked about above, apparently it's from the client not being initialized before joining a mod channel, was fixed by rubenwardy by adding in the check for minetest.localplayer
04:01 oil_boi        DrFrankenstone, I'm a ford, GM, mercedes, subaru, geo, toyota, honda, and vw mechanic
04:02 oil_boi        I got oily before the lockdown so, oil_boi :D
04:02 DrFrankenstone ah, cheers.
04:03 oil_boi        mercedes are the worst of them all
04:03 DrFrankenstone as cars, or for servicing?
04:03 oil_boi        Extremely reliable, but once something breaks, good luck
04:04 oil_boi        I had this one 190e I had to rebuild the entire subframe components and redo the vacuum hardline to the intake valve and it was something else
04:04 oil_boi        I've literally never seen so many vacuum lines redundant in my entire life
04:06 oil_boi        The older than 1994 mercedes are the best, but they like to rust and they're extremely hard to get parts for in the states
04:08 oil_boi        Also DrFrankenstone some mercedes are ultra extremely hard to service especially if they're auto. The easiest car I've found is a Crown Victoria P7B Police Interceptor, nevermind that it's fast and can seem to take turns at triple the speed limit, that's why I bought and rebuilt one
04:10 oil_boi        It feels like it's on the new D2C platform instead of the Panther, it's nuts, a 4900 pound car should not be able to go 0-60 in 14.78 seconds
04:13 oil_boi        Oh wait, I'm confusing these, I've had 5 of em, a 93, 96, 98, 2000, and 2011, the 2011 (current) does it in 9 seconds, it makes it feel like the cars gonna launch into space
04:15 oil_boi        Best car you can get for 500 bucks
04:16 Verticen       oil_boi u got a that 2011 interceptor for $500?? rlly? ur quite the lucky guy
04:16 oil_boi        But the automatic sweep on the electronic throttle body will cut your finger off if you don't unplug it so that's fun
04:17 oil_boi        Verticen, Yeah my friend bought it and he was like "I already have 5 cars, so I want tattoos" and I stole this thing off em for that price
04:17 oil_boi        Lemme see if I can find a pic
04:21 oil_boi        Verticen, are these visible? https://imgur.com/a/9ctVjqk
04:22 Verticen       oil_boi yeah. that's nice
04:23 oil_boi        Thanks bro. I put in a 3.27 tracloc rearend when it had the normal 3.55 so it goes 147, at least, that's all I dared to take it up to up in Maine
04:25 oil_boi        I just hope she doesn't have the new Ford problems, that'd be a pain. I wouldn't doubt it'll get em because the moral in the  St. Thomas plant was awful during the last year
04:28 oil_boi        This straight up brings a tear to my eye, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpsuDRLjpGs , Ford made the worst mistake in their entire lifespan
04:28 oil_boi        This one is the P7B detective package and marauder hidden package mixed into one
10:35 blaise         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDT9pgDoS6w
16:19 guzzi          is there a way to make mobs_animals spawn more animals?
16:22 guzzi          all my biomes seem to be mountains.  I guess that explains why I am not seeing much.
16:23 guzzi          I defintely see the mobs_monsters in the caves.
16:28 guzzi          my entire world seems to be forests
17:31 who0           Hi guys, do you have best practices to optimize map.sqlite ?
17:33 sfan5          in which regard?
17:33 Krock          max_block_generate_distance = 2
17:47 freelikegnu    after submitting a mod release to the contentdb how long does the approval usually take? Does approval need to be requested?
17:48 rubenwardy     freelikegnu: I sent you a question
17:48 rubenwardy     you pinged me about some naming issue
17:48 rubenwardy     on IRC
17:48 rubenwardy     I pinged you back asking if it was still a problem, because the package looks fine to me
17:49 freelikegnu    oh yeah its all good
17:49 freelikegnu    thank you
17:50 freelikegnu    just added the goblin dogs too
17:51 Krock          "goblin dogs"?
17:52 Krock          like human dogs. pet dogs?
17:52 freelikegnu    https://content.minetest.net/packages/FreeLikeGNU/goblins/screenshots/1461/edit/
17:52 freelikegnu    er: https://content.minetest.net/uploads/y5IyWxm6nX.png
17:52 freelikegnu    they are mutated goblins
17:52 Krock          uh nice
17:53 freelikegnu    not quite like werewolves tho
17:53 Krock          please add lamas that have 50% chance of spawning either friendly or with laser-shooting eyes
17:54 freelikegnu    I'll add that to my list
17:54 Krock          yay :D
17:55 freelikegnu    llamageddon
17:55 Krock          ddamageddon
19:32 adfeno         Hi all, how do I evaluate the mod profiler?
19:33 adfeno         Should I get the entries with most "samples" and most "part avg %" ?
19:33 sfan5          latter
19:34 adfeno         I noticed that only taking the most "part avg%" can somewhat be innacurate, since "samples" might be too low to make decent statitisc.
19:35 adfeno         Or is there something wrong in my reasoning?
19:37 adfeno         As an example, I have a mods in the server which had 68491 samples profiled, but these same ones take 20% in "part avg %", at maximum.
19:38 adfeno         Both the 68491 samples and the one entry with 11 samples were present in same profile saved.
19:39 sfan5          makes sense to me
19:39 sfan5          I don't exactly know how the profilers calculates its output though
19:40 adfeno         Assuming samples could happen concurrently, then: 11 / 68491 = 0,01% of the maximum collected samples.
19:41 adfeno         So the entry with 11 samples collected, although using most "part avg %" could be considered too "time-localized" to be a lag factor.
19:43 adfeno         Again, I'm open for discussion :D
21:15 who0           sfan5: I've got some timeout > server shutdown
21:28 sfan5          who0: hm?
22:07 MinetestBot    02[git] 04HybridDog -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix configuration caching in log_deprecated (#9697) 134361bfc https://git.io/JfkcW (152020-04-21T22:07:12Z)
23:20 FrostRanger    has anyone else been getting 500 errors when they connect to the forums?
23:24 Peppy          FrostRanger : yes, it's been weeks everybody does...
23:25 FrostRanger    does anyone know what is going on?
23:29 Peppy          it goes up and down many times a day
23:44 guzzi          i never heard of notabug.org for repositories
23:44 guzzi          seems like TenPlus1 has some great mods.
23:49 guzzi          I saw a penguin today.  guess my animals mod IS working. :)
23:49 guzzi          we got the alligators swiming in the artic though.
23:50 guzzi          tasty
23:55 who0           I'm looking to crop map.sqlite (an regenerate if it'is needed)
23:57 who0           (ok, sorry for that ->  deleteblocks)