Time  Nick               Message
00:44 orbea              sfan5: this helped a bit with the mob/sword issues, thanks :) https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/e774d8ca2fa5ead9f6d739a2031e6655a22a5b4d
06:28 oil_boi_           I just found my midi keyboard :D Oh my god this will make music production so much easier
07:37 oil_boi_           Is there a way to move particle spawners?
08:01 oil_boi_           I have all these questions but the forum won't load :P
08:13 calcul0n_          afaik the only way to move a particle spawner is to give it a short life time and respawn it at different places
08:20 oil_boi_           Ohhh okay! calcul0n_, does the particle spawner use opengl or is it calculated by the cpu?
08:55 calcul0n_          hmm, no idea
10:03 oil_boi_           calcul0n_: I think I got weather calculated in nicely, weight wise. The only thing I can't account for is the face that the particles seem to be cpu calculated in my testing :(
10:06 oil_boi_           But what's even more confusing is the fact that my rx580 is at 10% utilization and the cpu is at 38% maxed and the frame rate still goes down
10:08 oil_boi_           Also I found a pretty extreme bug, if you turn your renderer to d3d9 and then exit the game, come back in, and turn it back to opengl then enable shaders the rendering gets super messed up
10:09 oil_boi_           I suspect this https://i.imgur.com/uC3S3VA.png is because the renderer is not reinitialized when you change that setting
10:11 oil_boi_           But that might cause pretty severe memory leaks if not executed properly and this is a super specific case so it's not actually a problem :P
11:08 MinetestBot        02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Fix respawn not working at all when suitable position was not found 138863527 https://git.io/Jvbwn (152020-04-04T11:06:40Z)
11:38 oil_boi_           Whoa I think I just managed to make weather light weight :O
12:15 texmex             * runs to git pull oil_boi_’s latest commits *
12:15 oil_boi_           texmex: I think you're gonna love it
12:20 oil_boi_           I wish I knew why the airbrush in gimp is turning white to red when I have gray selected :L
12:37 calcul0n_          oil_boi_, maybe because your image is in indexed color mode?
12:38 calcul0n_          see the image menu -> mode
13:52 oil_boi_           calcul0n: Yeah you were right, and it's all done now :D
13:54 MinetestBot        02[git] 04lnjX -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix 'the the' typos in comments (#9554) 13307d737 https://git.io/Jvb6S (152020-04-04T13:52:41Z)
14:01 oil_boi_           texmex: If you thought just the snow particles were good you're gonna flip out
14:05 grey               Hello
14:05 oil_boi_           Hi grey
14:06 grey               I just though I would tell someone that the forum is down.
14:09 grey               I went to look up come information on installing on debian and I can't reach the forum.
14:14 oil_boi_           grey: The forum keeps going down :(
14:15 grey               Well whoever runs it should reboot it.
14:15 DusXMT             A bit of a conspiracy theory, perhaps OldCoder wants you to use his forum instead ;)
14:16 DusXMT             (I mean, who else would DDOS Minetest, of all things?  Of course, I have no evidence, just a wild speculation)
14:16 oil_boi_           I have no idea who that is, but he might be in here right now
14:17 DusXMT             oil_boi_: A person behind a fork of minetest, he even tried to register the minetest trademark, and hosts his own site with a copy of the forums
14:18 oil_boi_           If anything I thought Hackeridze would be DDOSing because he seems to have vanished :L
14:18 oil_boi_           Ooooooh, that's interesting
14:18 MinetestBot        02[git] 04pyrollo -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix cursor still visible after closing formspec while on HyperText (#… 1386a0e99 https://git.io/Jvbin (152020-04-04T14:17:15Z)
14:20 grey               I have this one way of installing minetest from git that uses a oneliner someone posted on the forum.
14:20 grey               And I fucked up my minetest install somehow.
14:20 grey               I need it baaaaaack.
14:20 grey               ./minetest: error while loading shared libraries: libIrrlicht.so.1.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
14:21 oil_boi_           grey: https://github.com/minetest/minetest
14:21 oil_boi_           There's a Debian section :D
14:22 grey               I knooww but that oneliner always grabbed and compiled the latest version from the git.
14:22 grey               My fault for not copying it somewhere.
14:26 grey               Anyway yeah forum is down.
14:26 grey               Pls reboot.
14:26 grey               Thank you for making minetest.
14:26 grey               Have a nice day.
14:27 oil_boi_           texmex: https://youtu.be/w88BgvHJpRY now people can REALLY have fun with snow :D
14:27 oil_boi_           Snowman mob, maybe?
14:32 oil_boi_           I wonder if there's a hidden setting for making entities remove themself or die on collsion detection
14:41 grey               Good video.
14:42 grey               This snow looks good.
14:44 grey               Oh, this is your own minetest game.
14:44 grey               I see.
15:29 Copenhagen_Bram2   Is it possible to make minetest remember passwords for servers?
15:29 sfan5              not yet
15:30 Copenhagen_Bram2   Hmm. It's a pain in the butt pasting passwords into minetest from my password manager (and also my mistake for increasing my security at the cost of my convenience for a game that won't hurt me much if my accounts get hacked)
15:33 Copenhagen_Bram2   but then again, I was thinking, who knows what kind of secure thing someone might use minetest for
15:34 Copenhagen_Bram2   I heard there was a library of leaked government documents or something kept on a minecraft server
15:36 Krock              use the same password (1234) for every server so you don't need to remember it
15:36 Copenhagen_Bram2   Suppose instead of passwords minetest servers could use some kind of asymmetric authentication?
15:36 DusXMT             Also, copy-pasting passwords is a pretty bad idea in general, who's to say your clipboard isn't being inspected?
15:36 oil_boi_           Whoa you're right :O There's a Minecraft server with a library full of banned journalism
15:37 Copenhagen_Bram2   The keys could be saved in the client, requiring no passwords at all, and can optionally be encrypted with a password, backed up to a server (still encrypted), and maybe even generated/stored with a hardware device such as a trezor or a yubikey
15:38 swedneck           oil_boi_: if you're thinking of the one i think you are, then that's really not true
15:38 oil_boi_           Aw :(
15:38 swedneck           that server had like 10 books of copied text lol
15:38 swedneck           the whole thing was just a big shitty advertisement
15:39 swedneck           (also pretty weird idea since you could just distribute data via torrent over the tor network or something..)
15:39 Copenhagen_Bram2   I thought Tor wasn't good for bittorrent
15:39 Copenhagen_Bram2   Don't you mean onionshare?
15:40 oil_boi_           swedneck: I'm just going to keep pretending there's a Minecraft server in the CIA that they use to store all their files
15:43 Copenhagen_Bram2   <swedneck> (also pretty weird idea since you could just distribute data via torrent over the tor network or something..)
15:43 Copenhagen_Bram2   probably because in countries where the stuff in the library is censored, Tor is banned. But Minecraft isn't. The idea is that to censor the Minecraft server, they'd have to ban Minecraft. I suppose they could just censor the domain where the uncensored library Minecraft server is hosted though.
15:44 swedneck           how do you ban tor though?
15:50 Copenhagen_Bram2   by blocking public entry nodes and throwing anyone caught using a bridge into a gulag
15:50 Copenhagen_Bram2   or by being north korea
15:52 swedneck           don't think they're gonna care about blocking minecraft :P
15:52 swedneck           probably already blocked
15:52 Copenhagen_Bram2   yeah
15:53 Copenhagen_Bram2   time to smuggle USB drives with minetest on them into north korea
15:53 Copenhagen_Bram2   lol
16:07 Krock              Copenhagen_Bram2: just use IPoAC. effective and fast
16:09 Hawk777            Bandwidth’s decent, but the latency’s pretty awful.
16:11 Krock              c55's VPS is overloaded again
16:19 orbea              can someone point me to where the different groups are documented? Like "attached_node" and "oddly_breakable_by_hand"
16:21 behalebabo         engine groups are documented here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1589
16:21 Copenhagen_Bram2   Krock: is "fast" a local term for "ping latency of hours"?
16:22 orbea              behalebabo: thanks, how about the numbers? What is the difference between flammable = 2 and flammable = 3?
16:23 orbea              i see, higher = faster rate?
16:24 behalebabo         orbea: the flammable group is mod-defined and used only by the fire mod in MTG IIRC, I don't think the rating matters to the MTG fire mod
16:25 orbea              ah, so the rating is no-op sometimes, thanks :)
16:25 behalebabo         yeah, there's some other places it's used but the rating does seem not to matter
16:40 Copenhagen_Bram2   Why aren't there any good villager systems for minetest?
16:40 orbea              what is the current best one?
16:40 Copenhagen_Bram2   When will procedurally generated houses be possible?
16:43 DusXMT             Hmm, considering that there are trees, I wouldn't think it should be that difficult to make a mod that generates structures
16:44 DusXMT             I'd investigate the tree code
16:44 DS-minetest        I think, there are some mods that add things like villages
16:45 DS-minetest        and there are already dungeons
16:55 Copenhagen_Bram2   I'd like to see something like millénaire in minetest
17:11 adfeno             Hi there, :D Whichi s faster in terms of checking if a mod is loaded: minetest.get_modpath or loping in minetest.get_modnames() to find the mod?
17:12 sfan5              isn't that obvious
17:12 Krock              checking the namespace
17:12 Krock              results in a warning when it's not a defined global variable
17:13 Krock              but it's the fastest
17:13 DS-minetest        to avoid the warning use minetest.global_exists
17:13 Krock              DS-minetest: but that's about the same speed as get_modpath
17:13 Krock              i.e. slower
17:14 DS-minetest        :O why so?
17:14 sfan5              isn't global_exists pure lua?
17:15 DS-minetest        afaik, global_exists simply uses rawget on _G
17:15 Krock              oh yes it's pure lua. in this case: direct access > global_exists > get_modpath
17:15 DS-minetest        I guess, the function call causes an overhead, or why the first >?
17:15 rubenwardy         yes
17:16 adfeno             So, minetest.global_exists is faster then?
17:16 rubenwardy         no, it's more readable
17:17 rubenwardy         `if minetest.global_exists("hi") then`    vs    `if rawget(_G, "hi") then`
17:17 rubenwardy         does  `if _G.hi then` work?
17:17 DS-minetest        adfeno: if you check during load time, speed won't matter that drastically, probably. if you need to know whether a mod is loaded at runtime store the value in a local variable
17:18 DS-minetest        the latter causes a warning, rubenwardy
17:19 DS-minetest        the latemost*
17:19 Copenhagen_Bram2   Is there any place I can download minetest world/maps, like mesecon puzzles, stuff like that?
17:20 DS-minetest        Copenhagen_Bram2: yes, worlds subforum
17:20 adfeno             Now, how are the mod names stored and referenced? For example if I want to check for ethereal, then do I use minetest.global_exists("ethereal") or minetest.global_exists("ethereal:") (notice the colon) ?
17:20 DS-minetest        >the latter causes a warning, rubenwardy            I might be wrong, oops
17:21 DS-minetest        the global_exists is not a general solution
17:22 DS-minetest        it only works if the mod created a global variable with the name you give to global_exists
17:22 Copenhagen_Bram2   DS-minetest: oh neat
17:22 Copenhagen_Bram2   But I'm having trouble loading the minetest forum
17:22 Copenhagen_Bram2   When I try to load https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=12 I get a 504 error
17:22 adfeno             DS-minetest: Hm, I see.
17:23 DS-minetest        adfeno: just use minetest.get_modpath("etheral") (or minetest.get_modpath("etheral") ~= nil)
17:23 adfeno             OK
17:26 oil_boi_           Can you imagine a node monster with a model just made from blender bones which attaches node entities to it to build it's body :D
17:28 DS-minetest        yes, I can
17:28 Copenhagen_Bram2   I get the same error when trying to open forum.minetest.net. Is the forum down?
17:28 Copenhagen_Bram2   At least minetest.net is still up
17:29 oil_boi_           Copenhagen_Bram2: The forum is always down lately :L
17:29 DS-minetest        Copenhagen_Bram2: the forums seems to have, currently - in the last few days - even harder, problems
17:30 Copenhagen_Bram2   hmm
17:31 oil_boi_           Wiki is having problems now
17:32 rubenwardy         it's on the same maching
17:32 rubenwardy         technical issues, celeron55 is on it
17:33 Copenhagen_Bram2   oh neat
17:35 oil_boi_           I'm gonna guess the isp is Elisa, I hear they're not so good
17:36 sfan5              wrong guess
17:36 sfan5              and ISP is largely irrelevant
17:36 oil_boi_           I have an HP Z400 I can send him if the server is overloaded, you can raid0 up to 32 drives
17:38 Copenhagen_Bram2   I wonder if you could host the server on a p2p protocol such as dat
17:38 Copenhagen_Bram2   or zeronet
17:38 Copenhagen_Bram2   then if someone else is seeding and the server goes down at least people can access a static copy
17:49 oil_boi_           I just realized that is an awful idea during these events. This lockdown has my mind all over the place right now :T
17:50 oil_boi_           Also Copenhagen_Bram2 yes you can
17:50 oil_boi_           Just look at https://open.tube/ it's p2p youtube
17:51 Copenhagen_Bram2   ooh it's a peertube instance
18:06 texmex             oil_boi_: Bug alert! https://github.com/oilboi/Crafter/issues/6
18:10 behalebabo         texmex: try minetest master branch
18:14 texmex             Oh dang
18:28 Copenhagen_Bram2   Are minetest connections to servers encrypted? Does it use SSH?
18:29 rubenwardy         no
18:29 rubenwardy         and no
18:30 Copenhagen_Bram2   Hmm
18:31 Copenhagen_Bram2   Are the passwords hashed? Or should I be careful about logging in to a minetest server over public wifi?
18:32 Krock              not sure whether SSH supports UDP
18:32 Copenhagen_Bram2   Minetest uses udp?
18:32 rubenwardy         passwords aren't hashed, we use Secure Remote Password which is a proof-based protocol
18:32 Krock              yes
18:32 rubenwardy         it's more secure than password hashing because you don't need to trust the server
18:34 Copenhagen_Bram2   Hmm
18:40 DS-minetest        question: is the money here intended? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/86a0e991efff2fc616372f566a301352be28dae9/src/client/clientlauncher.h#L66
18:43 Copenhagen_Bram2   so how are we gonna store a library of censored journalism on minetest if we can't encrypt it?
18:44 Copenhagen_Bram2   not only that but what if someone wants to make a secret minetest server that's a tor hidden service
18:44 DS-minetest        maybe use csm to encrypt it in lua and send via modding channels
18:44 Copenhagen_Bram2   hmm
18:44 Copenhagen_Bram2   ooh i've also wondering if it'd be possible to have some kind of p2p server
18:44 DS-minetest        and store it in meta of random nodes
18:45 Copenhagen_Bram2   imagine a program that can access minetest maps from dat or ipfs repos, and then it runs a local server you can connect to
18:48 Copenhagen_Bram2   heck, maybe i'll open grasshopper for the first time in a few months and try to learn some programming
18:51 DS-minetest        I've found the introducing commit for the weird £: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/146f77fdb750833c649de7159a0833c398e14a4d#diff-f1adcc8d8014db9b09c711eb1c2e56c0R81
18:52 DS-minetest        but it doesn't seem to be intended
18:54 Copenhagen_Bram2   <DS-minetest> and store it in meta of random nodes
18:54 Copenhagen_Bram2   hmm that might be a good idea
18:54 Copenhagen_Bram2   maybe even e2e encrypted chat could be modded in
19:01 DS-minetest        oh, we have two `g_fontengine`s and some registered setting callbacks only operate on the inner one
19:29 MinetestBot        02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Builtin: Make item entities glow less (#9594) 13ea30b89 https://git.io/JvbQv (152020-04-04T19:27:30Z)
19:29 MinetestBot        02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Revert collision tweaks #9365 and #9327 (#9591) 13d5c4412 https://git.io/JvbQf (152020-04-04T19:27:23Z)
19:47 DS-minetest        edit_to_that_last_comment: oops, I'm wrong. TIL: if you have an extern static variable and don't initialize it directly, you can initialize it somewhere else without redefining it and you have to declare it there again
20:10 BuckarooBanzai_    Copenhagen_Bram2: https://github.com/wangyu-/udp2raw-tunnel
20:32 texmex             oil_boi_: I'm getting 5 FPS with snow >_<
20:37 DS-minetest        :O now I know why the root gui element is a StaticText, it's minetest that does that weird stuff
20:42 Extex              I've got a crafitem and I want it to last through craft recipes but get damaged each craft use. How would I do this?
20:43 DS-minetest        I think, you need to use the on_craft callback
20:44 Extex              Okay I'll look into it tnx
20:44 DS-minetest        here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/ea30b89d3fcaf599a4d4c4e2f12f01a1d59f1072/doc/lua_api.txt#L4353
20:45 DS-minetest        I guess you have to modify the craft player inventory list
21:31 Verticen           What would one do to have a decent survival challenge in Minetest? I've tried some of the mobs mods, but it seems that hostile mobs rarely spawn and they are somewhat easy to defeat. How to I make it more of a challenge?
21:31 rubenwardy         CTF
21:31 rubenwardy         :D
21:32 rubenwardy         also, Exile
21:32 Verticen           CTF? what is this?
21:32 rubenwardy         it's buggy but is certainly a survival channel
21:32 rubenwardy         CTF is a server - Capture the Flag
21:32 rubenwardy         Exile is a game for Minetest
21:32 rubenwardy         !mod Exile
21:32 MinetestBot        rubenwardy: Exile 0.1 by Dokimi - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=24334
21:32 Verticen           Oh. I guess I will give exile a try
21:33 rubenwardy         Exile is PvE
21:33 rubenwardy         player vs environment
21:56 Copenhagen_Bram2   Wuzzy: Just found out about RealTest for Minetest 5. Since it's exactly like the original, do you plan on making a Realtest NG where you add stuff to it?
21:57 Wuzzy              no
21:58 Copenhagen_Bram2   oh okay
21:59 Copenhagen_Bram2   I have to wonder, is it really that realistic to take down a tree by digging the dirt under it?
22:01 sfan5              ever see a real life tree float?
22:02 Copenhagen_Bram2   no but ever see someone dig a tree to the ground with their bare hands?
22:02 Copenhagen_Bram2   trees have roots
22:03 sfan5              right
22:03 Copenhagen_Bram2   also i just made a dirt block float in realtest
22:03 Copenhagen_Bram2   :o
22:03 yrungr             realtest?
22:03 Copenhagen_Bram2   yeah realtest
22:03 Copenhagen_Bram2   it's minetest but more realistic
22:04 yrungr             https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2671
22:04 DS-minetest        "but" would imply that it's something like a fork, but it's a subgame
22:04 yrungr             interesting.
22:05 Copenhagen_Bram2   <DS-minetest> "but" would imply that it's something like a fork, but it's a subgame
22:05 Copenhagen_Bram2   maybe it's a fork of the minetest subgame
22:05 Wuzzy              no
22:05 Wuzzy              there is no minetest subgame
22:05 DS-minetest        you mean mtg?
22:05 Wuzzy              probably
22:05 Copenhagen_Bram2   yes i mean mtg
22:05 Wuzzy              no it not a fork
22:05 Wuzzy              at least i think so
22:06 Wuzzy              its its own game with a collection of a FEW mods that were popular back in the days (like flowers)
22:07 Wuzzy              what do you think about this game so far?
22:07 Wuzzy              roots.... Copenhagen_Bram2 thats actually a great idea
22:07 Copenhagen_Bram2   thanks
22:07 Wuzzy              yes roots should be added when its about realism
22:07 Copenhagen_Bram2   here's another idea http://www.native-art-in-canada.com/fellatree.html
22:07 Wuzzy              its funny how tress just emerge out from the dirt with no roots at all
22:08 DS-minetest        Wuzzy: btw. did you remove the bad changes that the other realtest ngs introduced? (like furniture stuff or ugly things)
22:08 Copenhagen_Bram2   > Pat the mud onto the tree about three feet from the ground. Continue making mud and patting it onto the tree until you've girdled it to a height of about six feet with mud that is at least two inches thick and isn't showing any signs of falling off.
22:08 Wuzzy              notice that this game is also very VERY old. as i said in the thread, its about preserving history
22:09 Wuzzy              DS-minetest: no
22:09 Wuzzy              hmmm actually
22:09 Copenhagen_Bram2   so basically imagine in realtest you could pat clay blocks around a tree to stop it from burning all the way up, then build a fire under the tree
22:09 Wuzzy              Your question cannot be answered because it contains a false assumption
22:10 Wuzzy              DS-minetest: the game is not based on any of the other realtest redos, so i did not *remove* those additions. i never added them ?
22:10 DS-minetest        ah, ok
22:11 Wuzzy              I wouldn't even call "my" Realtest a "redo". it's just a resurrection for MT5
22:11 DS-minetest        what source did you take as base?
22:12 Wuzzy              i am not 100% sure
22:12 DS-minetest        huh?
22:12 Wuzzy              but i think its from the downlod link in the 2012 thread by sda97
22:12 Copenhagen_Bram2   <Wuzzy> what do you think about this game so far?
22:12 Copenhagen_Bram2   So far I've found that the best part of this game is your documentation. Back before Minetest 5, when Realtest was not a piece of history, but rather just another mod, I played it, and found it impossible to progress. But thanks to the readme and the crafting guide you've added, I think I'm about to have some fun.
22:12 Wuzzy              ITS NOT A MOD!!!!!!
22:12 Wuzzy              arrrgggh
22:12 Wuzzy              ?
22:12 Copenhagen_Bram2   sorry
22:13 Wuzzy              this stuff always makes me angry ?
22:13 Copenhagen_Bram2   just another subgame*
22:13 Copenhagen_Bram2   btw I think we're calling subgames just games now
22:13 DS-minetest        wasn't there a website with documentation (in the danwhatwasthisguysnameagain version)?
22:13 Wuzzy              yes
22:13 Copenhagen_Bram2   also how is mtg different from any other game?
22:13 Wuzzy              DS-minetest: what?
22:14 DS-minetest        finding evidence is difficult with the current state of the forum
22:14 DS-minetest        Dan Duncombe was their name
22:14 Wuzzy              It's most probably grabbed from this thread : https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2671
22:14 Copenhagen_Bram2   DS-minetest: try web.archive.org
22:15 Copenhagen_Bram2   for accessing archived copies of the forum
22:15 Wuzzy              and this thread in turn links to https://github.com/sda97ghb/realtest/
22:15 Copenhagen_Bram2   and maybe even a snapshot of the website that used to be up
22:15 Wuzzy              Sadly, "my" realtest is not based on the original GitHub repo
22:15 Wuzzy              it seems to be an older version of RealTest, oddly
22:16 DS-minetest        thx Copenhagen_Bram2
22:16 Wuzzy              there's a download link in the 2012 thread that seems to give me a more updated version
22:16 Wuzzy              apparently sda97 didnt bother to push these changes into the repo
22:16 Wuzzy              but i am not 100% sure
22:16 Copenhagen_Bram2   hmm
22:16 Wuzzy              actually, "my" realtest is based on a years-old copy in ~/.minetest on my harddrive from which i have forgotten the origin ?
22:16 Copenhagen_Bram2   lol
22:17 Wuzzy              but I **think** its the official download
22:17 Wuzzy              because it's very very close to the git repo
22:17 Copenhagen_Bram2   how hard would it be to update your resurrection to a more recent version of realtest?
22:17 DS-minetest        your pc is the official download server
22:17 Wuzzy              what do you mean? o_O
22:18 Wuzzy              there is no more recent version of realtest
22:18 Copenhagen_Bram2   i mean make a more recent version of the old minetest compatible with minetest 5
22:18 Copenhagen_Bram2   relatively more recent
22:18 Wuzzy              ?????
22:18 Wuzzy              what do you want?!
22:19 Wuzzy              minetest 0.4.17 is incompatible with minetest 5.
22:19 Copenhagen_Bram2   I mean turn the original realtest github repo or the realtest download from the forum that's more updated, into realtest for minetest 5
22:19 Wuzzy              why?
22:19 Wuzzy              it doesn't make sense
22:19 Copenhagen_Bram2   and I mean if the forum download is more updated, since you said you're not sure
22:20 Copenhagen_Bram2   hmm
22:20 rubenwardy         I can update the forum topic
22:20 Wuzzy              no please don't!!
22:20 Wuzzy              you're destroying evidence
22:20 Copenhagen_Bram2   ...
22:20 rubenwardy         ..
22:20 Copenhagen_Bram2   quick, use web.archive.org/save to protect your evidence from being destroyed
22:20 Wuzzy              besides, i think you will fail anyway, given the flood of 500 internal server errors ?
22:21 rubenwardy         I'll update it to have   [size=3]There's a [url=link]maintained version by Wuzzy[/url][/size]
22:21 rubenwardy         that's it
22:21 Wuzzy              ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
22:21 Wuzzy              i thought you wanted to purge the links
22:21 rubenwardy         I'm not particularly motivated to edit the forum now htough
22:21 Wuzzy              surprise!
22:21 Copenhagen_Bram2   <Wuzzy> why?
22:21 Wuzzy              DS-minetest: what did you mean, ugly furniture?
22:22 Copenhagen_Bram2   because maybe the original github repo or the forum download has some more features added than the copy you had on your hard drive
22:22 Wuzzy              i have already made comparisons and i know the download is more up-to-date
22:22 Copenhagen_Bram2   assuming your copy is older than the repo or the download and some features were added or bugs fixed since then
22:22 Copenhagen_Bram2   oh okay
22:22 Wuzzy              which is why i picked that one, not the repo
22:23 Copenhagen_Bram2   can you resurrect the download to minetest 5 like you did your local copy?
22:23 DS-minetest        Wuzzy: I think I saw some ugly detailed mesh stuff on some server or somewhere, I'm bad at remembering
22:23 Copenhagen_Bram2   how hard is it to do so?
22:23 Wuzzy              you're still not making any sense
22:23 DS-minetest        so why am I not allowed to read again? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7573
22:23 Wuzzy              my realtest revival ***IS*** based on the forum download
22:23 Copenhagen_Bram2   oh
22:24 Copenhagen_Bram2   oh okay
22:24 Wuzzy              lol
22:24 Copenhagen_Bram2   i thought you were saying it was based on your copy in your ~/.minetest
22:24 Wuzzy              hmmm
22:24 Copenhagen_Bram2   ok so never mind then yay
22:24 Wuzzy              maybe i should just download everything again to check if i missed any fancy features
22:25 Copenhagen_Bram2   but now you must make a realtest NG where you add roots and make it so you have to pack clay around a tree and burn the base of it down
22:25 Copenhagen_Bram2   like, a whole bunch of dirt and root blocks under trees that take 5 times as long to dig as the dirt blocks
22:25 Copenhagen_Bram2   lol
22:26 Wuzzy              no
22:26 Copenhagen_Bram2   oh ok
22:26 Wuzzy              i agree its a nice idea but i do not plan a RealTest NG or anything like that
22:27 Wuzzy              i have other plans for now
22:27 * Copenhagen_Bram2 loads https://web.archive.org/save/https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2671 to protect the evidence from being destroyed :)
22:27 DS-minetest        Vanes saE has another version of realtest: https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/realtest
22:28 Copenhagen_Bram2   last commit was only 4 years ago hmm
22:28 VanessaE           that's not "another" version
22:28 VanessaE           it's just an old fork I made to add some random feature that I don't recall what
22:28 Copenhagen_Bram2   hi vanessa
22:28 VanessaE           hi,
22:29 Copenhagen_Bram2   check the commit log, maybe it'll remind you
22:29 Copenhagen_Bram2   and then make wuzzy add them
22:29 DS-minetest        oops, the name was still in the linke
22:29 DS-minetest        hi
22:29 Copenhagen_Bram2   hi
22:30 Wuzzy              I specfically picked the "real" RealTest and not one of the rehashes because i was not convinced any of them was really superior
22:32 DS-minetest        SmallJoker's mod search showed me that dan's realtest version (which was initially not bad and used on a server) (and it was the version with the doc website, I think) had as source github / vanessa e / realtest
22:33 VanessaE           if you're gonna base something on realtest, fork from THAT ^ one.
22:36 Copenhagen_Bram2   you know, i think realtest is kinda like nodecore
22:37 Copenhagen_Bram2   has anyone played nodecore?
22:37 DS-minetest        can't find
22:37 DS-minetest        there're just rabbits
22:37 Copenhagen_Bram2   huh? lemme try
22:38 Wuzzy              VanessaE: why
22:38 Copenhagen_Bram2   and now my computer is slow to search
22:38 Copenhagen_Bram2   sigh
22:39 Copenhagen_Bram2   nodecore is right here https://content.minetest.net/packages/Warr1024/nodecore/
22:39 Copenhagen_Bram2   maybe the only similarity is that it takes more effort to take down a tree
22:40 Copenhagen_Bram2   hmm... and the rarity of the ore
22:40 DS-minetest        where does that new "contentdb" website thing link the link to the forum topic?
22:40 rubenwardy         in the header
22:40 VanessaE           Wuzzy: because it's a bit more up-to-date than the original realtest.  I don't remember what all is different though
22:41 rubenwardy         NodeCore doesn't have a forum topic, mind
22:41 * DS-minetest      can't find it.
22:41 DS-minetest        no forum topic?!
22:41 rubenwardy         nope
22:41 rubenwardy         warr1024 is against the forums
22:41 Copenhagen_Bram2   how come?
22:41 Wuzzy              wat.
22:41 rubenwardy         \o/
22:42 rubenwardy         they're only on Discord
22:42 DS-minetest        well, then it's not officially released
22:42 Copenhagen_Bram2   maybe he prefers discord
22:42 Wuzzy              booooo!
22:42 DS-minetest        ahh
22:42 rubenwardy         it is - ContentDB is the canonical place for releases now
22:42 Wuzzy              yeah thats good enough
22:42 Copenhagen_Bram2   hmm
22:42 Wuzzy              but still. discord.. boooo! boooooooooo!
22:42 Wuzzy              why have people no respect for freedom these days? ?
22:42 DS-minetest        I will never use contentdb if I can't git clone from there
22:43 Copenhagen_Bram2   Wuzzy: nodecore has an IRC channel that's bridged to discord
22:43 Copenhagen_Bram2   #nodecore
22:43 rubenwardy         he used to be on IRC
22:43 DS-minetest        I've tried to read the discord eula thing once, but wasn't able to. large wall of grey text on lite grey
22:43 Copenhagen_Bram2   erm... but it's bridged to its own discord channel on the nodecore server that gets ignored
22:43 Wuzzy              gosh. why make it so complicated? ...
22:44 Wuzzy              why do people hate standardized, functional, tried and tested technologies so much and love proprietary, locked down monopolized solutions instead? ?
22:44 Wuzzy              its so frustrating
22:45 DS-minetest        hmm, maybe advertising
22:45 DS-minetest        and other people forcing you
22:45 Copenhagen_Bram2   <Copenhagen_Bram2> erm... but it's bridged to its own discord channel on the nodecore server that gets ignored
22:45 Copenhagen_Bram2   scratched that, the IRC channel is active and I've been told in there that it's been re-bridged to the discord main channel
22:46 rubenwardy         IRC really isn't user friendly at all
22:46 Wuzzy              "other people forcing you" ... indeed. social pressure is a biggie
22:46 Wuzzy              I think irc is as userfriendly as their clients
22:46 DS-minetest        and organizations that weirdly entrust their life to other firms
22:46 Wuzzy              but i agree current clients we have now could be better ...
22:46 rubenwardy         having so many clients is also user unfriendly
22:46 rubenwardy         given how none of the popular ones are user friendly
22:46 Wuzzy              maybe we just need ONE high-quality irc client
22:47 rubenwardy         the only user friendly clients are probably just IRCCloud (proprietary) and Matrix  (not IRC)
22:47 DS-minetest        high-quality means lightweight for me
22:47 Wuzzy              i like my hexchat but i wouldnt give it to n00bs tbh ?
22:47 Copenhagen_Bram2   What about kiwiIRC
22:47 rubenwardy         Quassel would be good if you had cores-as-a-service
22:47 rubenwardy         oh yeah, I forgot kiwiIRC was an actual client
22:47 Copenhagen_Bram2   it is
22:48 rubenwardy         DS-minetest: I use git to get mods
22:48 rubenwardy         ContentDB is an alternative to the forums for finding mods, it's not an alternative to git
22:48 Hawk777            Lots of IRC networks have webchat clients these days, too… seems like that might not be a bad starting point for less-technical users?
22:49 Copenhagen_Bram2   and there's https://alternativeto.net/software/discord-app/
22:50 Wuzzy              i agree. webchat is a great start to get people started
22:50 Copenhagen_Bram2   how do you guys feel about bridging chatrooms to multiple protocols?
22:50 sfan5              there's no denying that discord is a much more user-friendly chat platform, IRC also has some inherent disadvantages by its design
22:50 sfan5              but I don't think discord makes a great replacement for a proper website where you can download stuff
22:50 sfan5              yet that's what many people use it for these days
22:51 Copenhagen_Bram2   for downloading stuff?
22:51 Wuzzy              it seems that's probably the killer issue yea ?
22:51 Copenhagen_Bram2   like, filesharing?
22:51 Wuzzy              free software is losing HARD right now. and its because of usability
22:51 sfan5              well just anything you'd visit a website for: finding information, download links, ...
22:52 Wuzzy              wait people use discord just to post a download link? wtf
22:52 Copenhagen_Bram2   well it's certainly easier (and free) to make a discord guild than to make a website
22:52 rom1504            only reason why irc is not the popular kid these days is because nobody is making money out of it
22:52 rom1504            all the other IMs are popular because of money
22:53 rom1504            (messenger, whatsapp, telegram, signal, discord, slack, zoom, gitter, etc)
22:53 Copenhagen_Bram2   i use signal, where exactly does signal get money?
22:53 Copenhagen_Bram2   it's open source, no ads
22:53 Wuzzy              i think money is a oversimplified explanation
22:53 Wuzzy              its more complex than JUST about money
22:53 rubenwardy         I've not seen anyone use discord to post a download link
22:53 rubenwardy         Discord is an alternative to IRC rather than the forums
22:54 Wuzzy              when discord becomes an "alternative" to IRC then minetest is dead to me lol
22:54 Wuzzy              oops
22:54 Wuzzy              i mean forums, not IRC
22:54 rom1504            Copenhagen_Bram2: from investements in a company (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Messenger#Funding )
22:55 Copenhagen_Bram2   <rubenwardy> I've not seen anyone use discord to post a download link
22:55 Copenhagen_Bram2   i'm a frequent user of discord (unfortunately), and they make channels just for holding messages with rules, introductions, download links in a few messages from the admins and they're locked so that nobody else can message in it
22:55 rom1504            if it become a bit more popular, for sure they'll sell user info or something simila
22:55 rubenwardy         that's not their main purpose though?
22:55 rubenwardy         that's informational
22:55 rubenwardy         they probably still have a website
22:56 rom1504            Wuzzy: actually it's really just about money
22:56 Wuzzy              i mean okay. i can understand why people use discord (or anything proprietary) cuz convenience
22:56 rubenwardy         it's about time and experience, not money
22:56 rom1504            money = you can pay for advertising of the app/protocol
22:56 rubenwardy         money means you can hire time and experience
22:56 Wuzzy              but what really gets me when they make it their ONLY means of commincation, therefore discriminating the FOSS zealots like me
22:56 rom1504            and you can pay engineers to make the app look user friendly, etc
22:57 Wuzzy              i mean, they bascially force you to use discord. if thats not an option for you, you're out
22:57 rom1504            having an open communication protocol is a negative for an IM app that's supposed to make money because people can switch to another app at any other time
22:57 rom1504            that's why big companies try to replace email as much as they can
22:58 Copenhagen_Bram2   I wonder if any game theorists have figured out how to make free, open source software that's high quality and competitive
22:59 benrob0329         Quite frankly, none of the FOSS solutions know who they're targetting. IRC is very old and very inconvienient to use across multiple devices, Matrix is a buggy POS with no development strategy, XMPP is a mess of competing standards, Tox is boarderline dead, Signal at least knows who it's for (encrypted SMS, but that doesn't help this), Rocket.Chat is close, but requires a website client
23:00 rom1504            the good thing is, it's doesn't matter too much
23:00 rom1504            you can use an irc client and a bunch of bridges
23:00 rom1504            so it works for any new IM that come and goes
23:00 Wuzzy              its interesting how e-mail still managed to survive the proprietary BS mostly
23:00 benrob0329         E-Mail has had newer standards put into place to keep up with new needs
23:01 rom1504            maybe the reason why email survives is because of the straight forward parallel (and usage) with physical mail
23:01 rom1504            which is also pretty much an open standard
23:02 benrob0329         But FOSS chat solutions tend to try to just copy proprietary products to a worse extent, when their made for more technical users who atually care about the politics
23:02 rom1504            but yeah I agree it's interesting that it did survive
23:02 benrob0329         Physical mail is not an open standard, like at all
23:02 rom1504            really ?
23:03 rom1504            it's just an envelope and paper inside
23:03 Wuzzy              lets say its a bad analogy
23:03 benrob0329         (in the US) There are multiple competing companies who all have seperate infrustructures, one of which (USPS) has special boxes that only they can use
23:03 rom1504            it's enveloppe + adress written on it
23:03 rom1504            yes I'm talking about classical letters
23:04 rom1504            sending bigger things also doesn't work with email
23:04 benrob0329         Shipping lables are different, postage is different, its all linked to whatever infrustructure is there and it's usually controlled by a single entity under penalty of law.
23:04 benrob0329         It's really not an open standard, it's just a widely accepted one.
23:04 rom1504            yeah ok
23:05 rom1504            I guess my point is that the "email" concept is as easily understandable as the "mail" concept
23:05 benrob0329         Yes
23:05 rom1504            sending some piece of content to someone, that will take some time to be delivered
23:06 Wuzzy              or maybe the explanation is much simpler. there's so much software that depends on email that you just cant replace with something else
23:06 rom1504            whereas for IM there are lot of different ways to think about it
23:06 Wuzzy              and i know for a fact there have been several attempts by corporate or government to replace e-mail by their own BS system
23:06 Wuzzy              they all crashed and burned, THANKFULLY
23:06 rom1504            and there is no physical equivalent, you cannot instantly talk with people over letters
23:06 benrob0329         E-mail probably needs a good replacement (it's a mess to set up) but it's so ingrained in our infrustructure it's nearly impossile
23:07 benrob0329         IM is most similar to verbal conversation
23:07 benrob0329         Which is something most FOSS solutions ignore, the actual voice communication part of most services post-y2k
23:07 rom1504            well here, with just that sentence you found an issue
23:07 Wuzzy              In Germany there was/is something called "De-Mail" which is basically e-mail, but "made in germany" with its complete own, incompatible standard. basically perfect example of NIH syndrome
23:08 rubenwardy         It's not actually that hard to set up  it's hard to set it up and not be considered spam
23:08 rom1504            if it's similar to verbal conversation: should it include audio ?
23:08 rom1504            that's a divergence already
23:08 benrob0329         That question has no nuance to it
23:08 Wuzzy              long story short De-Mail was a clusterfuck of insanity and almost nobody in germany uses it
23:08 rom1504            should it be 24/24, should it include smileys, should it include video, different rooms or just person to person, ...
23:08 benrob0329         What kind of audio? In what context? To what extend?
23:09 benrob0329         *extent
23:09 benrob0329         Yes there are different needs, thats why you need to know your audience
23:09 benrob0329         Discord knows their audience, that's why it's so popular
23:10 rom1504            yeah but I mean I guess that's why there is a proliferation of IM stuff
23:10 Wuzzy              just knowing your audience is not sufficient to be popular
23:10 rom1504            each addressing slightly different needs
23:10 benrob0329         IRC doesn't even know thier audience anymore, half the people want modern features and are pushing for it and the other half want it to stay in 1999
23:10 sfan5              pretty sure the former half has already moved on to e.g. matrix
23:11 benrob0329         except Matrix has the same problem, but even worse
23:11 benrob0329         I should know, I admin a few Matrix rooms
23:11 sfan5              doesn't have those modern features people want?
23:11 sfan5              +itr
23:11 sfan5              it*
23:12 Wuzzy              is there at least a way to teach people how rude it is to force people to use "<random proprietary service X>" to coommunicate with them, and if you don't do that, you're out?
23:12 Copenhagen_Bram2   <rom1504> it's enveloppe + adress written on it
23:12 rom1504            what would be really awesome really would be a smart client with the union of all features and that could connect to almost all protocols. There has been a few try at this, nothing that works really well. But I don't lose hope that it'll happen one day
23:12 Copenhagen_Bram2   and a US stamp you have to buy
23:13 sfan5              no because "people" do not care about any (F)OSS/proprietary distinction
23:13 Copenhagen_Bram2   i wouldn't call that open
23:13 Wuzzy              sfan5: its not even about proprietary/foss
23:13 Wuzzy              its about active discrimination .
23:13 Copenhagen_Bram2   it's only 'open' if you stick it in an envelope and bring it to the recipient yourself
23:13 benrob0329         Matrix has modern features, but their added in such a chaotic and ass-backwards mannor that I'm not sure who their targetting anymore
23:13 sfan5              ok but consider this: "where's the problem? you can just sign up for discord and join, it's free."
23:13 Wuzzy              if you're only supporting ONE particular service, you'Re excluding a lot of people (maybe unwillingly)
23:14 Copenhagen_Bram2   <sfan5> ok but consider this: "where's the problem? you can just sign up for discord and join, it's free."
23:14 Copenhagen_Bram2   but you have to give them your emails
23:14 Copenhagen_Bram2   email*
23:14 sfan5              if you want to answer that with a lecture they will already have stopped listening to you
23:14 rom1504            Copenhagen_Bram2: yes maybe "open" is not the right word, but maybe something like "universal concept". the envelop + adress concept (+ paying yeah it works like that in physical word) is pretty much used in all countries
23:14 benrob0329         Discord is just as much Voice Chat as it is IM
23:14 Wuzzy              yeah and this makes me sad
23:15 Wuzzy              i feel FOSS people are generally having a hard time
23:15 Wuzzy              they are being discriminated and its not even really perceived as such
23:15 Hawk777            And the postal system is a closed *network*, but the *client* choice is open: just pay and ship, nobody forces you to write on a certain type of paper, using a certain type of pen, or in a certain font.
23:15 sfan5              people who care about these distinctions do have a hard time, yes
23:15 benrob0329         FOSS support is at an all-time high, what are you talking about?
23:15 Wuzzy              and those who discriminate probably dont do it "because they're evil"
23:16 Copenhagen_Bram2   I'm starting to wonder where signal gets their funding
23:16 sfan5              benrob0329: I think Wuzzy is more taking about "software freedom is important to me and I avoid proprietary apps and platforms" than "Open Source software is great, my employer just switched to Libre Office and we don't have to pay MS a dime"
23:17 Copenhagen_Bram2   It's one open source messenger I can think of that is user friendly and is somewhat popular
23:17 * Copenhagen_Bram2 looks it up on duckduckgo
23:17 benrob0329         This all started with Nodecore being mostly on Discord, but it's also bridged to IRC and works perfectly fine there
23:17 Copenhagen_Bram2   Huh, they got a $50 million from Whatsapp
23:17 Copenhagen_Bram2   oh, from the whatsapp co-founder
23:18 Wuzzy              sfan5: yea
23:18 benrob0329         I learned that trying to convert your friends to a broken, buggy messenger that doesn't fit the user-case only results in pain.
23:18 rubenwardy         whatsapp bought the signal protocol
23:18 sfan5              s/bought/implemented/ ?
23:18 Wuzzy              I think the open source argument of "open source is great" as in "it's great quality" or as in "its superior development" is complete BS
23:19 Wuzzy              because just because you're "opening the source" does not make your software better quality
23:19 rubenwardy         well, they paid money to them and implemented their protocol
23:19 rubenwardy         I guess "buying" isn't accurate
23:19 rubenwardy         also, citation needed
23:19 Wuzzy              the open source advocates really need to stop using the quality argument, because its not true
23:19 benrob0329         Signal's e2e encryption has become the new standard for IM
23:20 rubenwardy         signal is really good
23:20 rubenwardy         there are gems in the FOSS world
23:20 rubenwardy         Mastodon is awesome
23:20 Wuzzy              truth is, open source, free software and proprietary software. each of them can be super good or super bad, in terms of quality.
23:20 benrob0329         You're never going to convince a normal person to use a brand new platform because its open source, just like you're never going to convince a chat room of randos that security is important for their conversation
23:20 Copenhagen_Bram2   <rubenwardy> there are gems in the FOSS world
23:20 Copenhagen_Bram2   don't forget the elephant in the room here, Firefox
23:21 rom1504            and chromium
23:21 Wuzzy              i think the big logic mistake in open source advocacy is the false belief that open source is seen as a "development methology". its not
23:21 sfan5              yeah I was about to mention
23:21 rubenwardy         oh yes, Firefox is great
23:21 orbea              Copenhagen_Bram2: firefox, the worst brother excluding all the other ones...
23:21 Wuzzy              i dont like chromium ? its too googly
23:21 sfan5              the problem with chromium is that it's more "you can look at the source and have fun with it" than real community-run FOSS
23:21 Wuzzy              i have downloaded chromium but you REALLY notice the google influence in it
23:22 rom1504            yes it's not open development
23:22 sfan5              also raises the question of whether you can consider Firefox to be "real" FOSS, since Mozilla is the sole developer and owner
23:22 Wuzzy              yes it is real foss
23:22 Wuzzy              as i said, FOSS is not the same as development methology
23:22 Wuzzy              you can run development like a cathedral and still be foss
23:22 rubenwardy         does mozilla develop in public and accept external contributions?
23:22 benrob0329         Fun fact: FF now routs DNS queries through Cloudflair by default
23:23 rom1504            really
23:23 benrob0329         rubenwardy: yes
23:23 Copenhagen_Bram2   yeah FOSS doesn't mean you have to let others contribute, you can simply put the source code on github and not accept anyone's contributions if you like
23:23 Wuzzy              which of the development models - cathedral or bazar ... is an ENTIRELY different discussion than proprietary vs libr
23:23 Copenhagen_Bram2   and still be the dictator of your project
23:23 Wuzzy              yea
23:23 rubenwardy         it doesn't know, which is why there is a distinction between open-developed and closed-room developed FOSS software
23:23 Copenhagen_Bram2   although someone might fork it
23:23 Wuzzy              although i think dictator is a bit of a hyperbole ?
23:23 rubenwardy         Android is closed-room developed
23:24 benrob0329         I'm the dictator of my project, doesn't mean it's not FOSS. It just means I don't want design-by-democracy
23:24 rubenwardy         they dump all the source code just before release
23:24 sfan5              benrob0329: Cloudflare* and only in the US (currently)
23:25 Copenhagen_Bram2   making your project open source does incentivise you to be a benevolent dictator though
23:25 Copenhagen_Bram2   if you put spyware in there someone will call it out
23:25 orbea              depends how well you hide it
23:25 Copenhagen_Bram2   true
23:25 orbea              an off by one error could be an exploit in some cases
23:26 Copenhagen_Bram2   guess you'll have to embed the spyware in the binary
23:26 Copenhagen_Bram2   or sneak it into the code
23:26 Wuzzy              i think the reason why proprietary is still so popular is cuz many people are not aware of the actual proven abuses that the software does without them knowing
23:26 Wuzzy              lots of proprietary software (not all!) spy on their users without them noticing
23:26 Wuzzy              its not good when spyware has become socally acceptable
23:26 benrob0329         Most people just accept it and move on
23:27 orbea              which is exactly why these technologies continue to exist, despite abusing their userbase
23:28 Copenhagen_Bram2   if only george orwell knew that we would be buying the telescreens
23:28 benrob0329         These issues have been hashed out time and time again though, what are we trying to achieve with this conversation?
23:28 orbea              its arguing to the choir :)
23:29 Copenhagen_Bram2   maybe it's fun to sing along
23:29 Copenhagen_Bram2   who else are we gonna talk about it with? it's easier to chat about it with you guys than debate it with someone else
23:29 Wuzzy              oh how right you are
23:30 Copenhagen_Bram2   also i haven't thought much about what you said about the proven abuses
23:30 Copenhagen_Bram2   until you mentioned it
23:30 Wuzzy              i mean, why would anyone sane buy Amazon Echo or that Google thingie and all the other smarter-than-you speakers?
23:30 rubenwardy         Warr1024  says that both the IRC and Discord for #nodecore are equally as official
23:30 Copenhagen_Bram2   because muh alexa turn my lights off
23:31 benrob0329         Because digital assistants are handy, that's why
23:31 Wuzzy              i think that these devices abuse you should be a wellknown fact today
23:31 Copenhagen_Bram2   alexa: i'm sorry dave, i'm afraid I can't do that
23:31 Wuzzy              ?
23:31 rubenwardy         I want to make my own IoT assistant
23:31 benrob0329         People accept that most companies are spying on them, why do you think Facebook is still so popular?
23:31 Wuzzy              "Alexa, do you work for the NSA" ... - "Do you think we're that stupid?" ?
23:31 Copenhagen_Bram2   mycroft, turn the lights off
23:32 benrob0329         Mycroft is great
23:32 Copenhagen_Bram2   mycroft: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that
23:32 Wuzzy              Minecrosoft
23:32 rubenwardy         I'd probably base it on mycroft
23:32 Copenhagen_Bram2   *forks mycroft's software*
23:32 Copenhagen_Bram2   Mycroft, sudo turn my lights off
23:32 Wuzzy              Minetestsoft
23:32 Copenhagen_Bram2   mycroft: yest master
23:32 rubenwardy         you are not in the sudoers file. This incident shall be reported
23:33 Wuzzy              reported to the cyber police.
23:33 Copenhagen_Bram2   reported to the nintendo police
23:33 Copenhagen_Bram2   they're coming: WiiU WiiU WiiU
23:35 Wuzzy              don't get bitten by the nintendogs
23:35 benrob0329         anyways that was my spuratic jumping into the conversation to give my 2 cents
23:35 benrob0329         o/
23:36 orbea              player_transfer_distance controls how far the player nametags are visible?
23:37 sfan5              yes
23:38 orbea              thanks
23:39 Copenhagen_Bram2   Oh btw is it possible to add metadata to players? I was thinking about making my first mod be one where there's a disease that gets spread from one player to another if they get within 2 blocks from each other. So can you set "infected = true" on a player?
23:39 Copenhagen_Bram2   And can I call this mod coronatest?
23:39 rubenwardy         !book metadata
23:39 MinetestBot        rubenwardy: Storage and Metadata - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/map/storage.html
23:39 rubenwardy         player:get_meta()
23:39 Copenhagen_Bram2   oh neat