Time Nick Message 03:31 FriendlyPerson18 Hello there again fluxflux_: :) 04:02 swift110 hey 10:56 erlehmann minecraft nether portal placement algorithm https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-java-edition/survival-mode/294462-nether-portal-science 12:07 nephele good day 13:08 nephele How does the forceloading stuff work? I have severall chunks i can see fine, but can observe that they don't get simulated at all when i am not near them (duo to stuff my mod moves around) 13:13 FriendlyPerson18 nephele: It's very confusing because there no indicators in the game or in mods of where are those boundaries are (map blocks) so what I ended doing on my server was just using the Technic anchors. Since they basically "over provision" the mapblocks to at least load the radius in blocks (nodes). So if you wanted to load a 3 blocks radius farm you could and it will do the hard part for you. 13:16 nephele I asm asking from a mod authors perspective, not so much a users one, i can't really use technic blocks, but thank you :) 13:45 MinetestBot hecks: Dec-18 06:24 UTC the join/leave message can be overwritten with a mod: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L5115 16:05 nephele Uh oh, my quarry mined "ignore" blocks :) 16:05 Exe_Virus lol 17:16 fluxflux_ nephele: techpack (https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=19784) has a nice forceload machine, which will outline the mapblock's boundary if you punch it. if your forceloaded mapblocks aren't staying loaded, i'd wager either they're transient and you restarted the server, or you exceeded the limit on the # of forceloaded mapblocks (16 by default) 17:17 BuckarooBanzai nephele_: also: "postool" (https://github.com/SwissalpS/postool/) show the boundaries visually 17:17 BuckarooBanzai *shows 17:17 fluxflux_ ooh, that looks neat 17:50 AidanLCB__ is there a way to play minetest in like a web browser 17:50 AidanLCB__ on a chromebook 17:50 AidanLCB__ without play store 17:50 tomraceror Nope 17:51 tomraceror Maybe with shadow 17:51 rubenwardy no, and we have no plans to do that 17:51 tomraceror but that u have to download 17:51 rubenwardy It's not impossible, but it's not something we want to do 17:51 AidanLCB__ yh i doubted their would be anything 17:51 tomraceror Oh,nice 17:52 AidanLCB__ but decided I would still ask just to be sure 18:01 Exe_Virus It's just really not worth it. We already have support for every platform. No need for a Web-based one 18:02 Andrey01 Hello, if I attach an object to other one, do I also need to set the child`s rotation in degrees? I mean set_rotation() method 18:02 Krock install remote desktop to play on another PC using your chrombook 18:02 Exe_Virus Everything you need to know is in here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 18:02 Exe_Virus But I will figure it out for you 18:03 Krock Andrey01: no, that's done by set_attach 18:05 Andrey01 And also will only attached object rotate if I apply to that set_rotation()? 18:06 Krock yes, if it even rotates. maybe set_rotation is overwritten by attachments 18:07 Krock upd: yes, it's ignored on attachments 18:07 Krock call set_attach to update it 18:08 Krock hmm weird. automatic rotation works, though. 18:08 Exe_Virus It kinda makes sense that attaching would restrict all other move functions? 18:10 Krock your sentence is a statement, but terminated with a question mark. unclear reaction. 18:10 Andrey01 Umm, that is will the attached object not rotate visually if I call set_rotation? Do I need to reattach it after? 18:11 Exe_Virus Krock: Yes it is a statement, the question mark is to have you respond with an affirmative or disagree so I know if my understanding is corret 18:12 Exe_Virus Andrey01: After attachment, the object rotation will be set relative to the parent. If the parent rotates then the attached object will too. 18:12 AidanLCB_ For anybody who has their own server what do you use to host it? 18:13 AidanLCB_ Its my winter break and Im thinking of creating a server over break 18:13 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: I am confused, were you able to get my discord message about me asking you a question about your Minetest troubles? I don't means to "noise you around" here on IRC but I am really confused on if you gotten the message orn ot. 18:14 Exe_Virus Friendly: Yes I responded, but my discord is slow rn 18:14 Exe_Virus Aidan: It's called a VPS 18:14 FriendlyPerson18 AidanLCB_: Try something like Linode for long term or if you just want a bunch of credits to toy around your breaks you can use Vultr or Ditigal Ocean. 18:14 AidanLCB_ I was thinking of using Digital Ocean 18:15 AidanLCB_ The servers hosted on them seem to not have many lag problems and work well 18:15 Krock Exe_Virus: indeed. I wonder why automatic rotation works, even when it's protected by a !getParent() check. Maybe the server calculates the very same rotation and sends that to the clients. dunno. 18:15 Krock also a trivial issue I don't really bother 18:15 FriendlyPerson18 AidanLCB_: If you just wanna spin up and down your VMs and have a good butt reserve I don't see why not. 18:16 MinetestBot 02[git] 04ClobberXD -> 03minetest/minetest: /privs: Delimit output list of privs with commas (#9224) 13ec3224d https://git.io/JedG7 (152019-12-20T18:15:40Z) 18:17 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: Ahh I see, I didn't get that next respond about the compiling question I had. Which I am assuming you responded to but didn't make it over to me? If you want we can IM each other about it until Discord comes back online. 18:18 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Lejo1 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix the player information version_string return value (#8616) 1337f771a https://git.io/JedGd (152019-12-20T18:16:29Z) 18:20 Exe_Virus Aidan: VpsDime has best price for what you would need for Minetest in terms of ram. (6GB) for $7 a month 18:21 FriendlyPerson18 I am not sure if they even allow game servers I know Minecraft is banned by them heavily. You can't even operate a Minecraft WEBSITE on them. 18:22 AidanLCB_ Uh Why 18:23 Andrey01 Ok, thanks ExeVirus and Krock 18:23 FriendlyPerson18 Basically if it has to do with Minecraft they will treat you like poop and terminate the VPS. Regardless if your using too much resources, getting DDoSed or not and what's not. It's one thing if a VPS provider bans game servers completely but it's makes no sense that they would also ban anything ABOUT a game. 18:23 Krock !next 18:23 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 18:23 FriendlyPerson18 AidanLCB_: no idea they have the strangest policies I ever seen. 18:23 AidanLCB_ Yh that seems weird 18:24 FriendlyPerson18 really is 18:24 FriendlyPerson18 A web server is a flipping web server... 18:24 AidanLCB_ Yh it makes no difference 18:24 AidanLCB_ if its mc or not 18:24 FriendlyPerson18 exactly 18:24 Krock 6 GB of RAM will be long time enough. There's no media caching, so all this RAM usage you're seeing locally can be used to cache mapblocks. 18:25 FriendlyPerson18 Now if it was a DDoS magnet and they don't wanna defend it then sure get rid of the VPS. 18:25 Exe_Virus Right 18:25 Exe_Virus but minetest is not. 18:25 AidanLCB_ I might also just host it myself 18:25 AidanLCB_ Since its not long term at all 18:25 Exe_Virus Careful 18:25 Exe_Virus your internet provider might hate you 18:25 AidanLCB_ And i know somebody with a bunch of servers 18:25 Exe_Virus and make life miserable 18:26 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: Honestly I wouldn't touch VPSDime with a 40 feet pole because of unethical policies. 18:26 Exe_Virus interesting 18:26 FriendlyPerson18 As a internet provider you make an AUP based on actual damages not content based. 18:26 Krock Exe_Virus: depends on the local laws. 18:27 Krock they can't limit further than what's stated in the contract 18:27 FriendlyPerson18 It's one thing to ban crypto miners for example since they actually do intend to use all CPU core(s) it can since duh it's a miner. But it's another to ban crypto operations completely (blockchains and etc that don't always hammer all cores) 18:27 Andrey01 Wait, Krock, I didn`t understand, what do i need to update calling set_attach? 18:27 Exe_Virus Just saying that ISP's for most users define their plans with high download and low upload speed, and don't offer a dedicated ip 18:27 Krock Andrey01: if you want to rotate the attached entity -> call set_attach 18:28 Krock freedns for the win 18:28 FriendlyPerson18 So yea I prefers Linode but you don't get loads of credits so i can understand other providers like Vultr/DO being a better use for someone who doesn't care to have a 24x7 server. 18:29 FriendlyPerson18 Since more credits can really make it lasts more breaks/weekends before you need to (re)load 18:29 AidanLCB_ I gtg I'll look into a VPS after i get home from school 18:29 Andrey01 Ok, I`ve understood, thanks 18:29 AidanLCB_ Last school day of the decade 18:30 Exe_Virus Nice 18:30 Exe_Virus !next 18:30 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 18:31 FriendlyPerson18 Ugh I don't know what a weirdo is talking to me about. :( Would be nice if someone could fill me in if they are trying to hurt me or not. 18:33 Andrey01 But it`s weird yet, just set_rotation() can not be called for attached entity to change its rotation instead 18:34 Exe_Virus It could be changed to have an if statement for attached entities, but by turning off that functionality, we are able to speed up processing of attached entities by a significant margin 18:36 Krock oh really? 18:36 Krock til 18:36 Krock I assumed it was because the entire attachment system was so bugged that nobody ever cared to get rotations working properly 18:37 Exe_Virus Yes, basically the global step for attached entities is basically: Stop, do nothing. 18:38 Krock the ratio of attached to non-attached entities is somewhat little that it wouldn't make sense to restrict that if there's not a large performance gain 18:38 Krock handling single entities isn't that expensive. some rotation calculations and re-positioning, that's all 18:39 Krock textures, object properties and such are already updated each step (if needed) 18:42 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: Is discord still shitting on you? I sent a message to confirm if it operating for you now. 18:43 FriendlyPerson18 I didn't see it until recently since I had to refresh the webpage to see the message. 19:00 Exe_Virus Friendly or Krock, can you confirm typical high-modded server max RAM usage? 19:00 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: Let me get my public monitor stats up for you. 19:01 Krock can't confirm 19:01 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: https://hetrixtools.com/report/uptime/76bffd0502a7a6d1c9461516d0fd357e/ based off a 2GB, 1 vCore VPS, and almost 50GB SSD 19:02 FriendlyPerson18 easily sits in the 768MB department for at least most of the times. 19:02 Exe_Virus That is trememendously helpful, Thank you! 19:02 Krock light modded servers are around 250 MiB 19:03 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: Aw you are most certainly welcome friend. 19:03 Krock largely depends on the player count 19:03 Exe_Virus Ram for your system is 2 GB friendly? 19:04 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: Yea so I believe it's doesn't even goes to 768MB in RAM usage for at least much of the time. 19:04 Exe_Virus Oof, just tested on my computer, When you start using space mods, you get into trouble.... 19:04 FriendlyPerson18 Krock: Your right and thus I have very low counts but even a 768MB+ VPS can easily host a numbero f players if this one can easily handle 3 or more. 19:04 Exe_Virus spiked to 1800 mb 19:05 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: Probably more on the extra worlds than the mods themsleves. 19:05 Exe_Virus right, the mapgen is the issue I think 19:05 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: And/or the extra stuffs like O2 and such. 19:07 Krock *you're 19:09 Exe_Virus Aha, mapgens are probably doing the no-nos reffered to here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=16043 19:09 Exe_Virus Will have to edit sometime to make the server fit better 19:09 Exe_Virus Caverealms and Space and Nether mods are the culprits 19:11 Exe_Virus Can confirm that they aren't because normal mapgen only spikes to about 400 MB. 19:11 Exe_Virus So a 1GB VPS is enough, hmmmmmmm...... 19:12 Krock keep in mind that the OS will take 100-200 MiB 19:12 Exe_Virus very true 19:12 nepugia Krock: what OS are you using that takes that much? :) 19:13 Exe_Virus But 800 is still plenty with virtual memory to those bad times 19:13 FriendlyPerson18 Krock: I am sorry english wasn't never my first language and even though people told me this like 10's of time I still don't get it. :( Exe_Virus: If you exclude those mods yes. I meant more on a "standard" Minetest deployment. Not one that is heavily customized to support mulit world environment. For these as you mentioned at least a 3GB VPS would probably be needed. 19:13 Krock nepugia: WIndows server 20099 19:14 FriendlyPerson18 nepugia: Ubuntu server does take around that amount and people generally use similar OSes. Your not going to find many server owners using Apline and such since that's more "advanced" to use. 19:14 Krock FriendlyPerson18: we're all here for learning 19:14 Krock debian idles at 150 MiB 19:15 nepugia FriendlyPerson18: but :( 19:15 Krock hmm.. now it's rather 200 MiB. good enough for my purposes 19:16 nepugia FriendlyPerson18: you're is the short version of "you are" "your" is possesive (i.e 'my coin' 'your coin') 19:18 nepugia Krock: oh wow, the HEAD of mt linked fine with freetype for me now :3 19:18 Krock congrats 19:19 nepugia well, i didn't do anything :P 19:19 nepugia but it did not work with previous revisions (like some months ago) so happy it works now 19:19 FriendlyPerson18 Krock: Aw thanks for assuring me, i am just worried about how hard for me to grip it though. Because I been told this many times as I mentioned. :( nepugia: The "savings' just isn't worth it for me who need just be able to find info nice and fast. Like how to do service files and all of that "fun stuffs". If I were to load Apline then I wouldn't honestly have a clue on how to deploy the Minetest server and how to secure i 19:19 FriendlyPerson18 or trying to help me understand but I means I am so confused on the context. :( I get "your" and "you're" mixed up so much. :( 19:21 nepugia It is a common mistake, don't feel bad about it 19:25 FriendlyPerson18 nepugia: Aw thanks for feeling for me and assuring me I am okay with myself. :) 19:25 Krock Alternatively: Does the sentence need a verb? Use "you are" (or "you're"), else "your". 19:29 FriendlyPerson18 Krock: That may helps me grip it better, thanks for providing an alternative that might helps me here. I appreciate you caring to try to help me with having a hard time these sort of things. 19:29 Krock ^.^ 19:29 Krock !next 19:29 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 19:31 Exe_Virus Hmmm... maybe I should just run debian and try this cros compilation stuff 19:39 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: Why not right? If you needs to, I got Vultr credits and I can lend you a VPS for a couple of hours or so this if you need. 19:40 Exe_Virus No worries. OVH looks like a good deal at $5 a month for 2Gb RAM and 20GB storage. 19:43 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: Agreed as long as you don't mind the gross UI (based on others as I never usedthem) and lack of support (even for "unmanaged" support expectations). 19:44 Exe_Virus Absolutely don't care about bad UI, and lack of support isn't a problem, hopefully ;) 19:47 FriendlyPerson18 Exe_Virus: Indeed, hope it works for you. Otherwise I can try to help you understand what's next best options you could try. 19:47 Exe_Virus wont be doing it for a few months, so no worries 19:51 FriendlyPerson18 Ahh gotcha. :) 21:12 stormchaser3000 I really hope that the post about LoS on the general discussion forum doesn't bring up all the LoS drama again. I replied asking people to leave the reason as to why LoS was shut down at this: "the server was shut down because of a massive amount of drama" 21:13 stormchaser3000 anyways. Hello, how have you all been since the last time I joined this channel? 21:13 Exe_Virus LoS? the discussion about the .org? Yeah no I don't think it'll be a problem 21:14 Exe_Virus Stormchaser: Well most of the core devs have been busy, I've been noisly lately trying to learn minetest engine stuff and cross compilation. FriendlyPerson has been extra friendly to everyone, that's about it. Lots of random mod questions 21:14 Exe_Virus Krock has been doing a lot of minor merges 21:14 sfan5 stormchaser3000: we can always lock the thread if requested 21:15 Krock Line of Sight 21:15 stormchaser3000 Exe_Virus: LoS is a server that I used to host for someone that got shut down due to multiple issues involving an argument between an LoS server staff member and some of the players. 21:15 stormchaser3000 sfan5: if the topic becomes a flame war then please lock it 21:17 Exe_Virus Oof, thats much worse 21:18 Krock ban staff, ban players. calm & peaceful 21:19 stormchaser3000 Krock: tried that and then got attacked by the player base for banning the staff member in question 21:19 Exe_Virus yikes, lose lose lose 21:19 Exe_Virus Were you hosting for free? 21:19 stormchaser3000 yep 21:20 stormchaser3000 but I don't do that anymore because of LoS 21:20 Exe_Virus *nods* 21:21 FriendlyPerson18 stormchaser3000: Tell me about right? This shiz happened when I was doing Minecraft but if you wanna do it you shouldn't let people stop you from purusing your passions. If you want, I can be there for you to offer some advice regarding dealing with "drama" and such. And how to setup logistically for an more "uninterrupted" run. 21:23 stormchaser3000 Thanks, but I probably won't be hosting any public servers for other people after the LoS incident. I might get up the courage to host my own small-scale server at some point though 21:25 FriendlyPerson18 stormchaser3000: Aw you are always welcome and I understand. I just want you know that you don't have to not host. Everyone deserves to pursuit their dreams including yourself so I wanted to be sure that you are able to get the support you need in order to do it if that what you wants to do. :) 21:36 MinetestBot paramat: Sep-25 15:31 UTC I am starting the process to go through to check/do optimizations for textures tonight 21:37 Exe_Virus You mean GPU Skinning? 21:40 paramat Pie-jacker875 "would it be possible for the game to change so that papyrus grow in normal savannas when there's a river?" that already happens for sea-level rivers such as in mgv7, but cannot happen with the above-sea-level rivers in mgvalleys. anyway, i have just added papyrus to rainforest shore 21:44 paramat i considered adding papyrus to desert shore but realistically that is an unsuitable biome for it, and it would somewhat spoil the barren look of deserts. anyway, should now be easier to find 22:00 gpcf to get back to my block loading issues from the other day 22:00 gpcf I am still wondering why it stops loading at some point 22:00 gpcf and what the emergequeue settings do performance-wise 22:20 paramat consider that papyrus only occurs in 1 biome (until next MT release). so on average, the time to find it is the time it takes to discover all the biomes the game offers. it would be rather boring if that took anything less than a fairly significant length of time =) 22:22 paramat anyway, if someone wants it instantly, cheat it in. if you want to appreciate exploration, adventure and challenge, search for it 22:28 jae Hey 22:30 FriendlyPerson18 Hey there jae: How are you there? 22:31 jae I'm good and you? 22:58 FriendlyPerson18 jae: Aw I am glad and okayish just always facing problems with "online friends" because I am deaf and blind. So because of the costs of traveling and such because I can't drive myself "IRL" friends are not an option for me right now. :( Thus I attempting to make "online" ones but they seems to severely ignoring me or don't "value" me as much MOST OF THE TIME. There's only like one person from here who actually cares about 22:58 FriendlyPerson18 am inside. Everyone else pretty much dog shit on me, don't be very talkative with me and/or etc. I also have another person but they are very very busy but hopefully they will care too. 22:59 jae Oh 23:00 FriendlyPerson18 jae: Yea if that isn't shit I don't know what's is. :( 23:01 Exe_Virus Jae what are you up to today? 23:02 jae Tried to code. And you? 23:33 Exe_Virus Well, I finally got Minetest to cross compile on linux for Windows 64bit 23:33 Exe_Virus Haven't gotten a chance to test it yet 23:33 Exe_Virus Once that is working, I can finally start optimizing the engine (hopefully) 23:45 gpcf` I got further observations from my server 23:45 gpcf` it seems like /mapfix loads the blocks really quick 23:45 gpcf` much much much quicker than emergeblocks 23:58 Exe_Virus interesting