Time  Nick         Message
00:54 tiwake       how do I give permissions for a person to a mod?
01:15 tiwake       what is the difference between creative mode or not?
01:16 nepugia      having the creative permission i think?
01:16 nepugia      It might depend on the subgame though, since creative mode is technically implementation specific
01:20 tiwake       what about a super-user like permission?
01:20 tiwake       is it just privs?
01:26 nepugia      not sure what you mean with super-user in the context of minetest
01:27 nepugia      whether you may or may not do something is generally just privs though
01:27 tiwake       right
01:28 tiwake       I didn't know if there was an all-encompassing privilege to allow someone all the possible things, without having to grant each specific thing
01:51 nepugia      maybe /grant player all?
01:51 nepugia      That might give more than you want though :)
04:16 Quiark       finally built minetest with luajit64 (under Nix) so I can actually play dreambuilder
04:16 Quiark       now I can fly around without crashes ... just have a tree appear around me sometimes
04:26 swift110     hey
06:26 riceandbeans How similar/dissimilar is minetest to minecraft?
06:26 riceandbeans I've been playing minecraft and then checked out veloren and it's cool but very different
07:01 Quiark       minetest is more like a modding playground
07:02 riceandbeans What does that mean?
07:02 riceandbeans I'm an expert at making mud huts and dying in minecraft.
07:04 Quiark       I don't think there is a complete a polished game from start to end
07:04 Quiark       there are lots of mods, world types, etc.
07:11 riceandbeans Ah ok
07:24 hecks        riceandbeans: minetest_game is basically minecraft, and most of anything in minetest is tied to minetest_game
07:24 hecks        BUT on the other hand minetest is an online voxel sandbox engine, a 3D equivalent of byond if you will
07:25 hecks        and custom games are possible in it, it's just much easier to set up a mineclone
07:34 riceandbeans hecks: Given it's C++ instead of Java like Minecraft I assume it runs much more smoothly and with less memory
07:36 Quiark       is (new) minecraft still in Java?
07:42 riceandbeans Yeah
07:42 riceandbeans I mean I just started like a month ago and it's all Java
07:44 hecks        I would not make that assumption so easily, this was quite a meme when minetest came out but the performance profile is just... different
07:44 hecks        the truth is that most of the game is in Lua, which too is a VM, though at the moment it's faster than Java
07:45 hecks        and as for the C++ parts, the heaviest bit is the mapgen and machine code helps here, but MT also doesn't have the height limit that MC does
07:46 hecks        so while there's a lot more horsepower to spare, all of it is put to use anyway
07:47 hecks        the REAL difference between the two is that modding in minecraft has always been a hacky afterthought
07:47 hecks        while in MT, the game is the mods, it's all supported
07:48 hecks        from what I've heard, Minecraft users have to do a lot of tedious things to achieve what we take for granted here, like modpacks and subgames
07:49 hecks        and Lua is such a nice language for this kind of thing
07:51 riceandbeans I've never done a mod or played a mod
07:51 riceandbeans Just vanilla minecraf
07:51 hecks        then you're in for some fun here; grab the client and hop on just about any server, and you'll see what I mean
07:52 riceandbeans Are there hostile npcs too?
07:52 hecks        uh... usually not, this is the one thing minetest is embarrassingly bad at, and for no good reason
07:53 hecks        it's not that you can't have good mobs and NPCs in minetest, only that nobody has gotten around to doing it right
07:53 riceandbeans It's weird
07:53 hecks        I'm coding a game from scratch and I'm not having any issues with mobs
07:53 riceandbeans In a sense as a beginner with minecraft they can be anxiety inducing, but at the same time they're sort of hallmark points of the game that cause a small thrill when encountered
07:53 riceandbeans At the same time, when you want to use minecraft like a zen garden and you get interrupted with them it can be annoying
07:54 hecks        My game will have a lot more of that... but that's a long way off
07:54 riceandbeans Can you load multiple at the same time?
07:54 hecks        Multiple of what?
07:54 riceandbeans Like if you made one NPC and I made another NPC could I load both at teh same time
07:55 riceandbeans Like we're playing minetest and we each make a mod for a different npc and we're like man it'd be awesome if both existed in the world
07:55 Quiark       yeah lol which mob code is usable?
07:56 hecks        You can mix mods for the same subgame freely, but mobs are usually coded against some kind of framework
07:56 Quiark       I played MineClone2 and there was a bug with mob spawning .. basically it wouldn't stop creating mobs .. tons of cows and also zombies
07:57 hecks        the problem here is that the existing frameworks suck; I'm making my own but it's not compatible with minetest_game
07:57 hecks        https://a.uguu.se/ZsVtKHcKFWrT_ha.jpg
07:57 hecks        currently working to eliminate any distinction between player/monster/npc actors
08:00 riceandbeans but it's all lua?
08:00 hecks        yes, I do not modify the engine
08:01 riceandbeans :\ I couldn't do hello world in lua
08:01 hecks        print "hello world";
08:01 pyrollo      hecks, have a look at https://github.com/pyrollo/late for distinction elimination
08:02 hecks        pyrollo: I do not need other people's code
08:02 hecks        my thing is so incompatible with MTG it's not an option
08:03 hecks        in a sense there's already little distinction between all the actors, since it's an object oriented system... but some old hardcoding remains
08:04 hecks        a bigger problem for me now is the lack of "on unload" callbacks in MT and whatever I'll have to do to work around that
08:04 hecks        because I want to destroy NPCs and simulate them in the background when not observed
08:07 hecks        but, pyrollo, are your "impacts" by any chance a component system?
08:07 hecks        we might be doing the same thing in a way
08:08 pyrollo      I developped this mod as a basis for a game but I have no time now to go further.
08:08 pyrollo      With time, I think this effect/impact system should be redevelopped in core
08:10 hecks        well I'm doing something like this instead https://a.uguu.se/BBO4xGvjwLJb_ecs.jpg
08:10 pyrollo      For your "unload" problem, you can do the same as in https://github.com/pyrollo/late/blob/fe2375f899e9ca0cfd38763fb8a02570bb25f722/effects.lua#L401
08:10 pyrollo      store detected entities in an array and check each step that they are still loaded
08:10 hecks        ...you're doing a linear search for this?
08:11 hecks        nope, I'll need something better
08:11 pyrollo      So a little hack in engine
08:11 hecks        what I figured out so far is to store known entities in mapblock-associated buckets, hashed by the mapblock's 36-bit position hash
08:12 hecks        then I have this mapblock loader/unloader thing, that detects when players and entities (or, their Locator components) move from a block to another
08:13 hecks        and that in turn is used to determine which blocks are observed by players
08:13 hecks        and so on new blocks I run a loader/spawner for the mobs... and for the old one I'll have to round up the entities in them and unload them manually
08:14 pyrollo      If a simple "unload" callback associated with entities would ease your devs, it would be better to make that change in the engine, wouldnt be ?
08:15 hecks        sure, but I don't raise my hopes for engine changes too much
08:15 hecks        and I'd rather see bugs fixed first
08:16 hecks        I only complain to the maintainers when it's absolutely necessary
08:16 pyrollo      With LATE I ended up thinking that the thing is too complicated in plain Lua and would be much better with some engine changes
08:16 pyrollo      You could propose PRs
08:17 hecks        that would take time from my own coding, and I don't exactly like the gitocracy it involves
08:17 hecks        as for LATE, the issue probably is that an ECS would've been a better fit for what you were trying to do
08:17 pyrollo      Not sure about time. Workarrounds in Lua can be very time consuming
08:18 pyrollo      ECS ?
08:18 hecks        entity-component system
08:18 hecks        pretty easy to graft onto minetest
08:19 hecks        anyway, well... you're talking to someone who wrote a math lib, a model parser/writer, and half an engine in itself on the lua side
08:19 hecks        at this point it's easier to just keep hacking around the engine than request changes
08:25 Quiark       part of programming is teamwork
08:29 hecks        https://a.uguu.se/K3x8EphDFYNB_jelly.gif
08:29 hecks        I do my part by reporting all the bugs that minetest_game never runs into
08:30 hecks        and I'd be doing more engine work if not for the fact that I hate c++ and git
08:36 hecks        okay I guess this crude unloader works for now https://a.uguu.se/LRXJTH7gy7MB_unload.gif
09:52 MinetestBot  02[git] 04kevin-nel -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Fix popping sound in default_grass_footstep (#2538) 1300a8bd5 https://git.io/JePcI (152019-11-25T09:50:20Z)
10:08 Nigel        rubenwardy: good day to you, if you have a moment free could you cast you eyes at my new symmetool mod on ContentDB so I can test the download? TIA for your time.
10:09 Nigel        ^your
12:45 Calinou      I just pushed More Blocks 2.0.0 (the first stable release to require Minetest 5.0.0). If your server still runs 0.4.17, you should stick to More Blocks 1.3.0 which is the last version compatible with the 0.4.x series
12:48 Calinou      I published it on ContentDB too
12:54 Calinou      I did the same for More Ores and Map Tools as well
15:01 Miniontoby   REGISTER Beedoo113 tobias.gaarenstroom@gmail.com
15:02 Miniontoby   hello
15:06 rubenwardy   Miniontoby: you just exposed your password and email. Also, that's a terrible password
15:06 Pseudonosaur Miniontoby: talk to Nickserv
15:06 Miniontoby   hello
15:07 Miniontoby   Sorry
15:07 Miniontoby   I have an other
15:07 Miniontoby   Is it now deleted?
15:08 Pseudonosaur wdym
15:08 Miniontoby   Sorry for that
15:08 Pseudonosaur I still clearly see REGISTER B3 toom@gmail.com
15:08 Pseudonosaur (astericks mine)
15:09 Miniontoby   You dont need to do that
15:09 Pseudonosaur i hope you don't use that pw anywhere else cuz it's now probably saved in irc logs
15:09 Miniontoby   But how to get an real account
15:09 Miniontoby   a one that should stay working
15:09 Pseudonosaur there's a freenode user called NickServ
15:09 Pseudonosaur PM that user
15:10 Miniontoby   Yes I have done
15:16 Miniontoby   Could you deleted the log of my thing please??
15:43 Miniontoby   Help me with connecting to chat.freenode.net
15:45 Miniontoby   please??
15:45 Miniontoby   nate_1: Help me
15:46 Miniontoby   SOMEONE PLEASE HELP WITH CONNECTING AND VERIFING!!!!
15:47 nepugia      You are already on freenode
15:48 Miniontoby   But not with "/connect chat.freenode.net ..."
15:48 nepugia      I am not sure what you are talking about, but you are /literally/ talking on freenode
15:50 Miniontoby   Yes but I dont have an account what will "stay". I mean when I refresh the page I dont can loggin with my password
15:51 Miniontoby   And I amnt talking on chat.freenode.net
15:51 nepugia      I have no idea what you mean with a page
15:51 nepugia      just use nickserv if you can't use SASL
15:51 Miniontoby   The webpage of this irc
15:51 Miniontoby   How to use SASL
15:52 nepugia      depends on the irc client you use, look up it's documentation
15:53 Miniontoby   I have followed the instructions and tried "/connect chat.freenode.net"
15:53 Miniontoby   and that doesnt work
15:54 Miniontoby   please talk in the private chat
15:59 Miniontoby   nepugia: Please chat in the private chat with me to help me
16:00 nepugia      I already told you to look up the documentation of whatever client you use, it is different commands for each. there is no more help i can offer in this matter
16:00 Miniontoby   I have done them all I think (if the documentation is the same as the one I think you mean)
16:02 Miniontoby   Please chat the documentation you say
16:02 Miniontoby   the link I mean
16:02 nepugia      Re-read my message
16:02 Miniontoby   ???
16:03 Miniontoby   Do you mean this doc: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl
16:03 nepugia      I do not know! you are supposed to look it up
16:03 nepugia      I don't know what client you use, I cannot help you
16:04 Miniontoby   I use Chrome
16:04 Miniontoby   and no client
16:04 nepugia      That is impossible
16:04 nepugia      Data doesn't magically fly through the air and land on irc
16:04 nepugia      there is always a client
16:05 Miniontoby   From the list of the clients that I sented no one
16:06 Miniontoby   or do I need to use SASL EXTERNAL
16:09 Miniontoby   I have mode +ZI
16:11 mmuller      Miniontoby: are you using the webchat.freenode.net portal? Not sure you'll be able to configure it on that, but if so you should be able to find out here: https://kiwiirc.com/
16:12 Miniontoby   Yes I use
16:19 Miniontoby   just try
16:19 Miniontoby   I does work!!
16:20 mmuller      Great :-)
16:21 Miniontoby   Now I am connected from kiwiirc.com
19:02 MinetestBot  02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Improve client-side packet receiving 130b2f091 https://git.io/JeP2L (152019-11-25T19:00:24Z)
19:04 MinetestBot  02[git] 04ClobberXD -> 03minetest/minetest: Use a safer implementation of gsub in core.chat_format_message (#9133) 134b6bff4 https://git.io/JeP2m (152019-11-25T19:03:34Z)