Time Nick Message 01:23 Parnikkapore[m] !help 01:23 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md 03:44 eflister hi - my daughter had saved games on android, she's been playing them a few weeks and built up inventory/location/etc. suddenly they're not there. the Minetest/worlds/ directory is empty. any idea what happened or if there is any way to recover? she's really upset. 04:09 sofar "clear data" 04:09 sofar or some sort of cleanup app 04:09 sofar a good way to prevent this is to run a personal server in your house 04:17 eflister "clear data" means the button available under settings/storage/apps/minetest? i'm pretty sure she wasn't messing under settings or hit any kind of cleanup command, we haven't installed anything like that. i wasn't watching, but i was in the room, and i haven't seen her do anything other than start games and video apps. the only unusual thing 04:17 eflister today was we installed a new game. is there anything that automatically triggers "clear data"? disk is about 80% full. can't minetest specify not to allow clearing that directory? we still show the tutorial game we installed under Minetest/games/... i'd rather she can still play in the car where she doesn't always have network access... 04:18 sofar nothing I know automatically removes it 04:18 sofar there is a button to delete a world in the UI, though 04:18 eflister on the startup screen, right? 04:19 eflister she says she didn't hit that 04:19 sofar You could easily patch minetest, but building for android may be difficult 04:19 sofar I have no explanation, other than, here's how it could happen... 04:19 VanessaE don't put it past your daughter to do such things. not saying she'd lie, more like she'd do something thinking it'll help, without being aware of the negatives. 04:19 sofar MT doesn't delete things, but, some android tablets do 04:20 sofar "android is low on storage, click here to clean up space" 04:20 VanessaE kids like to tinker. 04:20 VanessaE (especially if they think they're getting around a limit or parental control of some kind :) ) 04:20 Quiark I have less trust in tech (as sofar says) than kids 04:20 sofar eflister: a backup system may help you as well 04:22 VanessaE sofar's suggestion to move things to/run a server to which the tablet connects is definitely the best way forward. not only will it help protect the world data, it'll take some of the CPU load away from the tablet, which may improve the game's performance. 04:38 eflister thanks guys, i think "click here to clean up space" is a possibility. if "clear data" were triggered from there, would it have cleared the MT/games/ directory? i would think both that and MT/worlds/ should be protected from that. i agree kids tinker but i know her habits relatively well and i think it's unlikely. nothing else seems to be 04:38 eflister missing. would it be an unreasonable feature request for an option that deleted saves still be kept in a "trash" directory or something? i agree backup would solve it in general, but in our case this is the only user data on this device. the server idea is interesting, but that wouldn't work in a car without internet access right? and even with 04:38 eflister internet, would need me to open some port to public access and set up dyndns or something? 04:55 VanessaE you'd just run it on one machine on your LAN, access it from another by IP. 04:55 VanessaE no need for DNS 04:56 VanessaE your daughter will then simply use the "join game" screen, and she'll learn that "192.168...something" is the game server 04:56 VanessaE (or 10.x.x.x if that's what you prefer) 04:59 VanessaE (or whatever that screen is called in the mobile version) 04:59 nalkri It wouldn't be via 192.x though, if the LAN is at home and the tablet in the car and Internet not reliably available 04:59 VanessaE nalkri: not true. 04:59 VanessaE oh wait, yeah 04:59 VanessaE misread. 05:00 nalkri A portable server would potentially solve the problem and be delightfully overkill 05:00 VanessaE I wasn't considering her playing the game on the go. 05:00 eflister i've been looking for a raspberry pi project :) 05:00 nalkri Yeah this question was specifically for in the car, and dodgy uplink 05:00 Hawk777 How about taking regular backups of that directory? 05:00 VanessaE a RPi could run a light-weight server, sure. 05:00 VanessaE just don't try to run Dreambuilder ;) 05:01 nalkri I've had some success on a Pi3 as a MT server, and you could power a 3 or 4 off of the fag lighter socket 05:03 eflister yeah i guess backups is the right answer. just wish i could reconstruct what happened this time, that would preserve MT/games/ but not MT/worlds/ 05:03 sofar eflister: I think some sort of sync app or backup will be reasonably good as a solution here 05:04 sofar you could still play offline, but you'd have a backup that's not too old if run often enough 05:05 eflister agreed, will do, but still would like to understand what likely happened here 05:42 Quiark eflister: SyncThing 05:56 eflister does the stock android backup system not work for MT? from support.google.com/android/answer/2819582 - it says it should cover "Settings and data for apps not made by Google (varies by app)" 05:58 Quiark I guess that's for private app data (which is not accessible by file browser) 05:59 eflister turns out we did have it turned on (is that default?) - any way to check if it has the MT worlds? 06:23 sagax hi all! 06:23 sagax how to know time in game? 06:23 sagax time of game? 06:38 ANAND sagax: /time 06:41 sagax great! thanks 06:41 sagax minetest can show time without command? 06:47 ANAND You can use the Lua API method minetest.get_gametime (https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/53ebd803c613949a3f30fb4a905192c85dc73851/doc/lua_api.txt#L4289) 06:53 sagax thanks! 07:51 supahati Is there a Problem with the MT forum? When trying to register a new user, a ban notification is shown... tried several usernames, mail adresses an IPs. 07:54 rubenwardy Yeah, phpbb isn't fit for purpose 07:58 supahati so i try it again the nextdays. 08:05 sagax how to highlight point where mob enter to game? 08:20 Quiark I think it can enter anywhere, given some conditions (light, ...) 11:25 supahati Why can't I use tnt in a multiplayer game? Once I start the same world as a single player (without the "Host Server" checkbox), tnt works fine. I run minetest 5.1.0 out of the box, without any mods. 11:26 VanessaE I believe TNT has to be explicitly enabled in the server's config 11:27 supahati How can that be done? 11:27 VanessaE edit your minetest.conf :) 11:28 VanessaE I don't remember the setting name 11:30 supahati aaah... fount it on the wiki... enable_tnt. Thanks for pushing me in the right direction :) 11:35 VanessaE cheers :) 11:42 rubenwardy I hate that setting 11:42 rubenwardy Well, I hate the behaviour of it 11:46 VanessaE I used to just delete the mod :P 11:50 supahati My kids want to blow each others houses away... well, why not? Better than kicking tons of real Lego bricks across the garden :) 11:51 tomraceror yepp xD 12:13 Quiark VanessaE: luajit-gc64 is required to run dreambuilder pack, rite? 12:14 VanessaE no 12:14 VanessaE but it's recommended. 14:10 Quiark well, I get out of memory quite often 14:15 VanessaE guess you have your answer :) 14:38 * cheapie looks at how close this box is to running out of memory 14:38 cheapie "MemAvailable: 63696876 kB" 14:39 sfan5 !c 63696876 / 1024 / 1024 14:39 MinetestBot 60.74607467651367 15:04 KOLLEGAH Anand you are so st*pid 15:05 VanessaE why? 15:05 KOLLEGAH He removed my shout prvileg on CTF for nothing 15:05 VanessaE oh, well don't bring server troubles into here., 15:05 KOLLEGAH He told me that i was swearing 15:06 VanessaE this is not the place for it. 15:06 KOLLEGAH I couldnt find the ctf IRC client 15:06 KOLLEGAH sry 15:16 ANAND Wow, how mature of you. Please don't pollute this channel with your personal issues. 15:16 ANAND Oh he's gone, nvm 15:22 kurtzmusch lol 20:29 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Add help texts for settings that lack one (#9007) 138ee1618 https://git.io/JeEqv (152019-10-25T20:29:02Z) 20:54 codic hey yall