Time  Nick        Message
10:00 jluc        'o
11:00 Zeth_       E
11:00 Zeth_       EE
11:00 Zeth_       EEE
11:02 sfan5       EEEE
11:16 ANAND       EH?
11:40 DS-minetest EEEEE
13:21 fruitsnack  hello, I've noticed that the new 5.0.0 kelp and coral nodes are "filled" with water, like in recent minecraft versions, however I can't find anything related to this in lua api and in node definitions
13:31 sfan5       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5748
13:33 fruitsnack  ah, so it's plantlike_rooted drawtype
13:33 fruitsnack  thanks
19:02 MinetestBot 02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Allow opening chests when wielding corals 1395aaec6 https://git.io/fjXfQ (152019-07-12T19:01:27Z)
20:18 lllI1I      what's the best way to do balance testing when it comes to long term gameplay effects
20:18 Krock       write an AI to fight
20:19 Krock       or do it like AoE2 where players duel each other since Y2k to balance the game perfectly from the gained experience
20:19 lllI1I      thinking more "should this item be more or less expensive in terms of rare jewels than this other, similar item"
20:20 Krock       consider making the cost/effect variable depending on how many times it's in the world
20:20 Krock       ..and is used by players
20:21 lllI1I      sounds like I should just have a longterm test server where players will have to put up with constant resets as I balance things out
20:21 lllI1I      or messed up economies because I made a boneheaded design choice that was only apparently bad after some time in the wild
20:23 nepugia     rampant inflation :D
20:23 nepugia     but yeah, best way to test that... is too test it
20:23 nepugia     rough miscalculations (or exploits) should become apparant quite fast
20:24 lllI1I      some unintended exploits seem to be alright and make the game more fun though, from what I've noticed
20:24 nepugia     sometimes they do
20:25 nepugia     sometimes they don't
20:25 nepugia     some exploits become features
20:25 lllI1I      also what's the best way to cancel out falling when a player is teleported
20:26 lllI1I      in the code of a teleport mod
20:27 nepugia     well... there is no good way
20:27 nepugia     you might want to try placing a small invisible mesh under the player
20:28 nepugia     Krock: this is a good example of what i ment btw ;)
20:28 Krock       immortal=1 group for a few seconds
20:29 Krock       until player velocity = 0
20:29 lllI1I      that was my first thought, just cancel out damage
20:29 Krock       there was a 5s cooldown after teleporting in the engine, but it was used to evade deadly traps
20:30 Krock       or to escape mobs
20:31 lllI1I      yeah that seems too easily exploitable to leave as an engine feature
20:31 lllI1I      teleportation stuff seems rife with exploitation though
20:31 lllI1I      working on a magic mod and the first part I'm doing is the teleport stuff
20:44 nepugia     oh, you ment cancel out falling as in no damage
20:44 nepugia     not as in, stop the falling
20:44 nepugia     maybe a node that absorbs the damage and is invisible too
20:49 lllI1I      I did mean stop the falling, but if that's not possible or feasible stopping damage is fine too
20:53 lllI1I      so I have 3 mods, a magic mod (on which the other two depend), a teleport mod, and a landmark mod (allows for some area-specific buffs and features)
20:53 lllI1I      one of the features of the teleport mod only makes sense when the landmark mod is present, but also vice-versa
20:54 lllI1I      if I give them both each other as optional dependencies, I'll have a dependency loop
20:54 lllI1I      what's the proper way to handle this?
21:02 nepugia     for stopping falling putting a node where the player will go would work
21:03 nepugia     the proper way would be to manipulate physics or movement, you can't in minetest though
21:20 lllI1I      no I mean for a separate issie
21:20 lllI1I      issue*
21:20 lllI1I      one of dependency chains
21:28 nepugia     you don't need optional or dependencies at all really
21:28 nepugia     unless your goal is for both mods to see each others as loaded before
21:29 nepugia     basically either choose one load order (and do the optional dep as that), or make it work in both load orders
21:34 lllI1I      can registrations for recipes and such be made before the items being referenced are registered themselves?
21:35 lllI1I      also can a mod be known as active but not have loaded yet? that's really what I need to know
22:04 nepugia     first question, yes
22:04 nepugia     for the second one, i don't think it can, however you can always do one of those timer triggers (i.e after 0.1 seconds) that will run once the game has started up, that should give you a state in which all loaded mods are known