Time  Nick            Message
01:59 luizsab         hello! Is there any way to up mods previously installed at client and improve the performance with old pc and bad lan connection
03:05 MinetestBot     02[git] 04ClobberXD -> 03minetest/minetest: Increase upper limit of display_gamma to 10 (#8618) 1391d244c https://git.io/fjrjP (152019-06-27T03:04:12Z)
03:19 AmazingSam      I'm using ubuntu to run a server. From Ubuntu command-line-interface, is there a way I can get a list of players in a running world?
03:21 VanessaE        scrape the debug log for the phrase "List of players:"
03:21 VanessaE        (the list will be split among multiple lines if there's more than several)
03:22 AmazingSam      There is no way to get it from something like "minetest --server --terminal /status"
03:22 AmazingSam      ?
03:22 VanessaE        I don't think so.
03:23 VanessaE        I scrape the log to get the number of players, for my stats page
03:23 pauloue         you have to start the server with 'minetest --server --terminal', then in the terminal you can use /status
03:24 VanessaE        (though to simplify, I have a mod on the server that outputs a predictable phrase and the count.  easier to scrape for)
03:24 AmazingSam      When I user "--server --terminal", then type in "/status" it crashes
03:24 pauloue         error message?
03:24 VanessaE        oh, I'd forgotten about the live terminal.
03:24 AmazingSam      I am looking at the debug.txt. That will be my last resort
03:26 AmazingSam      "/status" is not recognized
03:27 pauloue         that's all it says? /status is a builtin chatcommand
03:28 AmazingSam      In the debug file, I get the following:
03:28 AmazingSam      2019-06-26 23:25:40: ERROR[Main]: Cmd arg --terminal passed, but compiled without ncurses. Ignoring.
03:29 pauloue         you need to compile with -DENABLE_CURSES=1
03:30 AmazingSam      Without recompiling it, is there any other way you can think of to get the list of players?
03:30 VanessaE        you could run a mod that outputs the list to a file on join/part
03:31 AmazingSam      Ok, I will try that. I was hoping there would be a CLI command I can use instead of running a mod or another script
03:35 AmazingSam      Thank you VanessaE and pauloue! If you can think of another way, please, let me know.
03:36 VanessaE        good luck
03:36 AmazingSam      Thanks!
03:47 rubenwardy      You could grep the logs
03:47 rubenwardy      And tail
03:47 rubenwardy      Or whatever
03:52 AmazingSam      Thanks rubenwardy! That's what I am working on now. Parsing base on "List of players: "
03:55 LoneWolfHT      Might be able to do a mod that dumps the online players in a file in the world dir. Then just create a command to dump the contents of it
03:55 LoneWolfHT      Come to think of it you could probably run commands with that method too :thinking:
03:57 AmazingSam      Yeah, that's a good idea. I am able to get the list from /status, just not from the CLI. Right now, I am saving off every thing to the right of "List of players: " to a file with the timestamp.
03:57 AmazingSam      The number of spaces to the right of "List of players: " is the amount of active players in the world
03:57 LoneWolfHT      I might do a mod for it. *eventually*
06:01 AmazingSam      I am not sure if any of you care, but here is a quick python script I wrote to extract the number of active players per join/leave:
06:01 AmazingSam      # Open the debug filefile = open("debug.txt", "r")print("date,time,numOfPlayers")# Loop through every linefor line in file:    line = line.strip()    # If the file has the players list, process the line    if(line.find("List of players:") > -1):        # Extract the date-time from the line        actionIndex = line.index(": ACTION")        dateTime
06:01 AmazingSam      = line[:actionIndex].split(" ")        date = dateTime[0]        time = dateTime[1]        # Extract the list of players from the line        playersIndex = line.index("List of players: ")+17        players = line[playersIndex:].split(" ")        numberOfPlayers = len(players)        print(date + "," + time + "," + str(numberOfPlayers))
06:02 AmazingSam      If you copy and paste it to a .py file, it should format
07:40 nepugia         What way would there be to debug why my server does not seem to be on the server list?
09:30 Plane           Hi all.
09:33 nepugia         hello there
09:33 Plane           Hi.
12:42 MinetestBot     02[git] 04v-rob -> 03minetest/minetest: Add compatible, consistent coordinate system to FormSpecs. (#8524) 135e7004e https://git.io/fjoIY (152019-06-27T12:40:49Z)
13:28 Plane           Hi all.
13:39 Plane           Hey?
19:34 MinetestBot     02[git] 04Calinou -> 03minetest-mods/mesecons: Optimize images (#464) 138baa789 https://git.io/fjoGI (152019-06-27T19:33:11Z)
19:38 Daisae          What is the name of the FLOSS game similar to minetest and implemented in Java?
19:40 VanessaE        no idea there
19:40 nepugia         i know about the rust one
19:40 VanessaE        terasology maybe?
19:40 nepugia         the alternatives to site usually lists similar projects nicely
19:53 sfan5           nepugia: if you have problems with server announcing, tcpdump is very useful for debugging
19:53 sfan5           also your firewall's log to see if it has dropped anything
19:54 nepugia         It probably dropped something, it would be usefull to have actuall documentation on what ports minetest wants
19:54 nepugia         and usefull if the server log sais if it even tried to announce it
19:54 sfan5           it does
19:54 nepugia         My log does not say that it tried, but the config sais it should
19:55 VanessaE        also make sure your curl timeout is set to an appropriate value.  it's measured in milliseconds. :)
19:55 sfan5           then it didn't try, pastebin the relevant part of the config?
19:55 BuckarooBanzai5 nepugia do you have 2 options overriding each other?
19:56 nepugia         i just cut down the config down to relevant parts (threw out clientside stuff), i did not add any keys
20:01 nepugia         sfan5: sure, here https://gryphno.de/nep/minetest.conf
20:01 nepugia         it's not a pastebin, but it should do the trick :P
20:01 sfan5           >serverlist_url = v6.servers.minetest.net
20:01 sfan5           here's your problem
20:01 nepugia         how so?
20:02 sfan5           that domain has not existed for 5 years and was removed from documentation 1 year ago
20:03 nepugia         i have got an old doc file then? which adress should i use instead?
20:04 sfan5           the default value
20:04 nepugia         well, i don't know it, should i just remove the key
20:04 VanessaE        which is to say, omit that setting entirely, right?
20:05 sfan5           yes
20:07 nepugia         is the serverlist reachable via ipv6?
20:09 sfan5           yes and that requires no special configuration on your side
20:11 nepugia         in any case, log still has no mention of the serverlist
20:17 Daisae          VanessaE: Yes, I was thinking of Terasology. Thanks.  nepugia. What is the Rust one?
20:17 nepugia         Daisae: the name escapes me atm :/
20:17 Calinou         Steven
20:18 Calinou         https://github.com/Thinkofname/steven
20:18 nepugia         that is not the one i ment, but also seems interesting
20:24 nepugia         sfan5: it certainly isn't my firewall, disabled that to test and there is still no mention of the serverlist in the log
20:24 sfan5           ok there's a lot more wrong with your config
20:25 sfan5           bind_address is ipv6 but ipv6_server is false
20:25 nepugia         ipv6 works just fine though
20:25 sfan5           also no ipv4 clients will be able to connect if you set bind_address like this
20:26 nepugia         that settings sais "ignore if bind_adress is set" and it isnt even uncommented
20:26 nepugia         so i ignored it too
20:27 sfan5           hm, yes that looks like it should still work
20:27 nepugia         not sure what that would have to do with the serverlist, unless the option 'server_announce = true' is mispelled the assertion that it writes in the log when it tries to contact the server doesn't seem to hold true
20:28 nepugia         the server runs fine, just isn't on the serverlist anyhow
20:28 sfan5           have you confirmed whether it actually does announce using tcpdump?
20:29 nepugia         no, i don't really know how either
20:29 sfan5           run tcpdump -nn 'port 80' in a separate terminal session, then restart minetestserver and check the output
20:29 nepugia         why would it announce but not write it in the log though?
20:30 nepugia         doesn't seem likely to me
20:30 nepugia         i can check though sure
20:31 nepugia         nope, nothing on port 80
20:31 sfan5           it isn't announcing, then
20:31 sfan5           the problem is somewhere between your config file and minetest
20:31 nepugia         yea.. which was my initial problem ;)
20:32 nepugia         is server_announce not the correct setting then?
20:32 sfan5           no it's correct
20:32 sfan5           how do you start minetestserver?
20:33 nepugia         I don't understand the question? there is only one way to execute elf files
20:33 sfan5           "do you invoke it with any arguments?"
20:33 nepugia         only --config /var/minetest/minetest.conf
20:34 sfan5           ok assuming the path is correct, that leaves only one thing: you compiled minetest without curl
20:35 nepugia         could be
20:40 nepugia         sfan5: thanks
20:54 nepugia         hmm, i can't use --terminal without an admin account set, what is that about .-.
20:54 sfan5           the commands entered in the ncurses terminal run under the admin account set in the config
20:55 nepugia         so, create one called "server" i guess?
20:55 nepugia         can i disallow logins to an account=
20:55 sfan5           you can set an unguessable password
20:55 nepugia         isn't quite the same ;)
20:56 sfan5           effectively the same
20:56 nepugia         return false takes less cpu cycles than doing the password routine
20:57 nepugia         though i doubt that minetest tries to minimize them at all costs :D
22:29 Edgy1           hello guys, anyone know how to make minetest not be an absolute pain in the ass with sound configuration changes? i have to exit minetest and restart just for turning on my headset if i expect sound to work
22:40 rubenwardy      I don't have that problem
22:40 rubenwardy      Sounds like something to do with the sound manager
22:41 rubenwardy      If on linux, check which output it is going ti
23:01 Edgy1           rubenwardy, i did, but when i change it on pulse audio i have to restart minetest so it works
23:05 rubenwardy      Are you changing the programs output or the global output?
23:05 rubenwardy      Sometimes they're different
23:15 Edgy1           rubenwardy, back
23:15 Edgy1           program's output
23:39 AidanLandBcB    i tried installing minetest 5 on raspberry pi with flatpak but i got an error when trying to run it any help?
23:39 AidanLandBcB    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ flatpak run net.minetest.MinetestAL lib: (EE) ALCplaybackOSS_open: Could not open /dev/dsp: No such file or directory2019-06-27 16:39:24: ERROR[Main]: An unhandled exception occurred: Audio: Global Initialization: Device Open2019-06-27 16:39:24: ERROR[Main]: In thread 76f6aaf0:2019-06-27 16:39:24: ERROR[Main]: /run/build
23:39 AidanLandBcB    /minetest/src/main.cpp:e2: int main(int, char**): A fatal error occurred: Audio: Global Initialization: Device Openpi@raspberrypi:~ $ flatpak run net.minetest.Minetest
23:41 nepugia         why would you use oss on linux?
23:42 AidanLandBcB    linux is the only thing that will run on the raspberry pi very well
23:43 nepugia         no, i mean oss, open sound system
23:43 nepugia         linux doesn't support any recent version they only emulate version 3 somehow
23:43 nepugia         use alsa if you can (on linux anyhow)
23:43 AidanLandBcB    i have no idea what your talking about im reletivly new to linux xD
23:44 AidanLandBcB    everything is default settings with raspbian
23:44 nepugia         that flatpak thing you have is for some reason trying to use an audio api that linux doesn't really support anymore
23:44 Sketch2         yea, use ALSA for your sound
23:44 AidanLandBcB    how do i enable it?
23:44 rubenwardy      AidanLandBcB: do you have a sound device
23:44 Sketch2         likely something like   sudo apt install alsa
23:45 LoneWolfHT      !tell aldenp If you want to test here's a PR that should fix piston protection https://github.com/minetest-mods/mesecons/pull/466
23:45 AidanLandBcB    rubenwardy: no not right now
23:45 MinetestBot     LoneWolfHT: I'll pass that on when aldenp is around
23:45 AidanLandBcB    is there a better way to install mt5
23:45 AidanLandBcB    the version in repos is 4.15
23:45 rubenwardy      That'll be the error
23:45 rubenwardy      *cause
23:45 rubenwardy      It's silly
23:47 AidanLandBcB    i just did sudo apt-get install alsa but i get an error saying the package doesn't exist
23:48 LoneWolfHT      sudo apt-cache search alsa
23:48 nepugia         I doubt that you need to install anything to get alsa on debian
23:48 AidanLandBcB    i just did that and got a billion results
23:48 nepugia         LoneWolfHT: why are you mixxing apt and apt-* in your advice? :P
23:49 LoneWolfHT      I only sent one message?
23:50 nepugia         ah, my bad
23:50 LoneWolfHT      AidanLandBcB Would `alsaplayer` be it?
23:50 AidanLandBcB    it looks like it ill try installing it
23:51 Sketch2         no not alsaplayer.  maybe  alsa-utils   one sec, lemme look
23:51 LoneWolfHT      `alsa-oss - ALSA wrapper for OSS applicationsalsa-source - ALSA driver sourcesalsa-tools - Console based ALSA utilities for specific hardwarealsa-tools-gui - GUI based ALSA utilities for specific hardwarealsamixergui - graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driveralsaplayer-alsa - alsaplayer output module for ALSAalsaplayer-common - audio pla
23:51 LoneWolfHT      yer (common files)alsaplayer-daemon - alsaplayer daemonalsaplayer-gtk - alsaplayer gtk interfacealsaplayer-jack - alsaplayer output module for JACKalsaplayer-nas - alsaplayer output module for NASalsaplayer-oss - alsaplayer output module for OSSalsaplayer-text - alsaplayer text interfacealsaplayer-xosd - alsaplayer XOSD display module`
23:52 LoneWolfHT      Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/e8bad9f0fcd91bca2ac1e9e31e95c02b/pasted.txt
23:52 LoneWolfHT      There. Use the link to see
23:52 AidanLandBcB    so i install all of them?
23:52 AidanLandBcB    i install alsaplayer-common
23:53 LoneWolfHT      No, just posting it for Sketch2
23:53 AidanLandBcB    oh ok
23:55 AidanLandBcB    i installed alsa i think now how do i enable it as default because i still get the same error with flatpak