Time  Nick        Message
01:13 argyle77    I'd like to check the player's position at some point in the near future.  Any advice?
01:13 GreenDimond https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
01:14 GreenDimond ^ ctrl+F
01:14 argyle77    I'm aware of the doc, and I can check the position.  Its the near-future bit that is tripping me up.
01:15 GreenDimond what do you mean "near future"?..
01:15 GreenDimond after a specified amount of time?
01:15 GreenDimond minetest.after()
01:15 argyle77    Yes
01:15 argyle77    perfect.  thanks!
01:47 DoyleChris  i am having problems with minetest server in Linux/Raspberrypi
01:48 DoyleChris  i go to run ./minetestserver in the bin folder from command line and i get permission denied
01:48 DoyleChris  i have had it running before but i lost power last week and now it wont run.
01:49 rubenwardy  chmod +x minetestserver
01:50 rubenwardy  also, have you done   sudo make install    or compiled with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
01:50 DoyleChris  it has ran before its just now it throwing a permission denied
01:50 DoyleChris  NathanS21 compiled it for me to run in place.
02:08 p_gimeno    I don't think you're supposed to chdir bin
02:08 p_gimeno    try running bin/minetestserver instead
02:09 p_gimeno    um, I think I'm wrong
02:31 argyle77    Is there a good way of simulating server lag?
03:13 Noogah      Hey guys. So I got my hands on *cough* a minetest world. But after moving it to the worlds directory, it won't show up in the client worlds list.
03:13 Noogah      Does anyone know why?
03:14 Noogah      I did install the required mods.
03:14 rubenwardy  you also need to move redcrab_game to the games folder
03:17 Noogah      That's what I'm talking about, and thanks for your help :)
03:17 Noogah      I'll give it a shot
03:18 Noogah      "Those were the days my friend..."
03:18 Noogah      It's still not working.
03:19 rubenwardy  try clicking "redcrab game" in the bar at the bottom
03:19 Noogah      Uh...oh. Somehow I didn't notice that
03:23 Noogah      We're back ^_^
03:25 Noogah      So are there any chances I can take a portion of this (my old fort) and run it as a server?
03:27 rubenwardy  I don't own the copyright, it's all quite murky
03:27 Noogah      I just mean technically speaking. I'm pretty sure I own the copyright to this one little area that I built
03:27 GreenDimond export your build with worldedit and put it in a map
03:27 rubenwardy  I can't give you permission, but I doubt anyone would complain
03:27 GreenDimond if he built it it's his intellectual property
03:27 rubenwardy  and if it's just your builds then it's fine probably
03:28 rubenwardy  and not necessarily, you could argue that Redcrab owns it or it's split
03:29 Noogah      I own my fort, and if Redcrab disagrees he can sue me lol
03:30 Noogah      So there won't be any weird compatibility issues?
03:37 rubenwardy  there won't
03:37 rubenwardy  using worldedit is a good idea
03:38 rubenwardy  select the range,   //save NAME
03:38 rubenwardy  then copy the worldedit folder from the redcrab world to the server world
03:38 rubenwardy  then //load NAME
03:38 rubenwardy  make sure the area is loaded first
03:40 Noogah      Awesome. Thanks everyone.
03:49 argyle77    Any way to get a callback when a protected node is burned?
04:50 kaeza       argyle77: hace you looked in game_api.txt?
04:51 kaeza       Have*
04:51 kaeza       It seems on_burn(pos) is what you want.
04:52 argyle77    I have not looked there yet.  I will now.  Thank you kaeza.
04:53 kaeza       The documentation does not say if there's a way to avoid burning though.
04:54 argyle77    Erg.  I see this can be used for nodes I've defined, but for nodes I've protected, but not defined, I'm not sure I would know if its applicable.
04:57 argyle77    Maybe there should be the possibility of a callback on minetest.set_node?
04:59 argyle77    Er, wait, that sorta thing is overridable, isn't it?
05:08 argyle77    nope, that doesn't work.
05:16 argyle77    Aha... looks like I can override minetest.remove_node
05:18 argyle77    It feel kinda wrong to do that though.
05:29 argyle77    I'm not sure why it feels wrong, but it does.
05:29 argyle77    But it works.
10:42 rodskagg    hi. when i am first setting up minetest i run the server then kill it, to create everything in ~/.minetest. is there a more elegant way to get the server to build all of that?
10:44 rodskagg    ah, i can just do...
10:45 rodskagg    timeout 5 minetestserver
10:45 rodskagg    that works.
12:09 rodskagg    is there a command which lists all available blocks?
12:10 sfan5       not directly, you will usually find everything you need in the creative inventory
12:11 jas_        ...and nodes with a "not_in_creative_inventory" group rating will be omitted.
12:12 rodskagg    how about mods. will i find new blocks for those in the lua files?
12:13 rodskagg    minetest.register_craftitem("basic_materials:energy_crystal_simple", {
12:13 rodskagg    ah.
12:16 calcul0n    rodskagg, you can inspect the minetest.registered_items table directly
12:17 rodskagg    calcul0n: that sounds good, how do i do that?
12:18 calcul0n    for name, item in pairs(minetest.registered_items) do ...
12:18 calcul0n    not sure if the key is the item name or the numeric id
12:18 rodskagg    that's a lua script?
12:18 calcul0n    yes
12:18 calcul0n    it's the syntax to loop through a hash table
12:20 rubenwardy  Item name
12:22 rodskagg    is there some way i can print the results to the stdout?
12:23 rodskagg    so i can run the server from the command line and see the result of the script there?
12:24 rubenwardy  print and minetest.log
12:24 rubenwardy  *or
12:24 rubenwardy  print("hi")
12:24 rubenwardy  Goes to the console by default, but not the log file
12:24 rubenwardy  Minetest.log goes to both the console and the log file
12:24 rubenwardy  By log file I mean debug.tzt
12:25 calcul0n    note you should that after all mods have been initialized
12:25 calcul0n    should be something like minetest.after(0, list_items())
12:26 rodskagg    https://pastebin.com/iVHVVJGU < something like that?
12:26 rodskagg    ah, do end.
12:27 calcul0n    and it's pairs, not pair
12:28 rodskagg    calcul0n: that worked. thankyou so much. :)
12:28 rodskagg    thanks rubenwardy
12:31 rodskagg    minetest --server | awk '{ print $1 }' > blah.txt
12:32 rodskagg    //lua dofile("/home/minetest/.minetest/world/worlds/lua/blocks.lua")
12:32 rodskagg    sorted. :)
12:37 rodskagg    https://pastebin.com/vqf0HqiL
13:34 jluc        ghello
13:35 jluc        reading "minetest" is not a game but a voxel engine
13:35 jluc        "minetest game" is a game
13:35 jluc        i discovered other "games"
13:36 jluc        it seems however that linked games dont look quite developed anymore
13:36 p_gimeno    do you mean they don't work?
13:37 jluc        last message on "Lord of the test" forum page is 6 month old
13:37 jluc        i havent tried any yet
13:37 p_gimeno    maybe there's just nothing to change
13:37 jluc        i'd prefer to install something "alive"
13:38 jluc        do you have personnal advices on which games i could best install for my 10 year old son to play ?
13:39 jluc        if "old" is "good" that's fine too
13:39 lumberJ     jluc, lott is probably one of the most fully developed games if you like a lord of the rings themed game
13:40 lumberJ     i think its being rewritten, but the old version should be pretty fully functional
13:40 lumberJ     https://github.com/minetest-LOTR/Lord-of-the-Test
13:41 lumberJ     to advance in the game might be slightly difficult for a 10 year old, but its still fun just to run around and explore and fight mobs
13:41 lumberJ     the crafting system is fairly complex i mean, for the more advanced items
13:44 lumberJ     skyblock might be fun for something a little different. not my cup of tea but popular in its heyday
13:45 jluc        thanks lumberJ
13:46 jluc        do i understand correctly that LOTT is a "quest" type game
13:46 jluc        where players have to achieve some proposed quests ?
13:48 lumberJ     sort of. it has acheivments and is largely geared towards gaining advanced craftguides and crafting more rare/powerful items (rings especially)
13:48 jluc        ok
13:48 lumberJ     but its plenty fun to play in looser do what you want style as well
13:48 lumberJ     the biomes are really well done and mobs are entertaining
13:49 lumberJ     you can just mine and run around and build in more of sandbox manner and get plenty of enjoyment without acheiving more advanced stuff
13:50 jluc        fine
13:50 jluc        and how is it  the player knows what he can achieve to progress ?
13:51 jluc        are there writen panes ?
13:51 jluc        or a book of quests ?
13:51 jluc        or a book of crafts to manage ?
13:51 lumberJ     the wiki on github is somewhat helpful
13:51 lumberJ     also in game you will craft new craftguides that have different themes and more advanced crafts
13:51 lumberJ     thus gaining knowledge of more advanced possibilities
13:52 jluc        ok thanks a lot for introducing lott
13:52 lumberJ     neinwhal and Amaz were the primary developers as far as I know so they can helpful if you get stuck
13:53 lumberJ     yeah, its pretty fun. enjoy
17:16 jluc        here my son discovers LOTT
17:16 jluc        "woaw the designs !" he says discovering the title
17:17 lumberJ     :D
17:18 rodskagg    lott?
17:18 lumberJ     the pixel art is pretty excellent throughout
17:18 lumberJ     lord of the test
17:18 lumberJ     lord of the rings inspired mt game
17:18 rodskagg    oh cool. :)
17:19 lumberJ     i used to run a "secret" server along side my public server just for giggles
17:20 lumberJ     still haven't crafted the rings yet though
17:20 jluc        he got killed very quickly but doesnt seem affected
17:20 lumberJ     yeah, its pretty savage if you go in a hostile biome
17:21 lumberJ     takes a while to collect enough good armor and weapons to hold your own
17:21 jluc        wolves and evil players !
17:21 lumberJ     yep
17:24 jluc        so he crafts wooden armors
17:25 lumberJ     yeah, get whatever you can to start with
17:25 lumberJ     also hang out in the white castles at night and in the morning after the mobs have been fighting walk around and pick up all the dropped armor
17:25 lumberJ     nice little protip
17:26 lumberJ     once i've got some minimal armor i usually get to mining pretty quickly and get my ores up for crafting
17:27 jluc        ok nice
17:27 jluc        he couldnt choos what type of character he's playing
17:27 jluc        choose
17:28 jluc        because he was attacked
17:28 jluc        is there a way to choose later ?
17:29 lumberJ     yeah, thats one little bug. could try a fresh map and hopefully will drop you somewhere friendly. i think their might be a command to choose though.
17:30 lumberJ     if neinwhal is awake i'll ask him
17:31 lumberJ     try /race
17:32 lumberJ     nvm
17:33 lumberJ     it looks like it is handled with privileges: https://github.com/minetest-LOTR/Lord-of-the-Test/blob/eaa74f6393b35ccce68cf636ea18ecf7bb0175fb/mods/lottclasses/init.lua
17:33 lumberJ     so if you can join as an admin player and change his privs to the one you want you could fix it that way
17:34 lumberJ     won't give you the initial stuff that way though, i imagine
17:37 jluc        he restarted and choose elf
17:38 jluc        i dont know many things about that game and "join as an admin and change privs" would be an advanced quest for me
17:45 lumberJ     jluc just put your player name in minetest.conf name=playername then restart and join and you should have admin privs
17:47 lumberJ     elfs a good choice
17:47 lumberJ     if you go loot their biome you get nice stuff
18:02 benrob0329  lumberJ: asking brand new player to edit a conf is wrong
18:02 lumberJ     i didn't consider jluc a new player. he's been coming to this channel for months
18:03 benrob0329  Maybe not brand new, but certainly not what I'd consider "conf ready" yet
18:03 lumberJ     plus i didn't make it so thats they easiest way to do some things in minetest :P
18:03 jluc        i'm used to edit code but i dont know minetest specifis
18:03 benrob0329  /set name <playername>
18:04 benrob0329  Then restart
18:04 jluc        yes my son has been playing for a year or so
18:04 benrob0329  Or just grant yourself privileges
18:04 benrob0329  /grantme all
18:05 benrob0329  *if your in singleplayer
18:05 lumberJ     thats fair, i've spent too much time hosting servers over ssh without being in game i guess.
18:07 jluc        ok homeworks now
18:07 lumberJ     although to be fair, for many non-linux users running chat commands is probably just a foreign as editing config files
18:07 benrob0329  But a lot of other games have commands, so its more likely they'll understand
18:08 jluc        i'm ok with / commands that fine
18:08 jluc        Is there a specific way to get a craft guide in LOTT ?
18:09 lumberJ     i think the initial craft guide is crafted with a book--which in turn is crafted same as book in mt_game
18:09 jluc        when  lott is about crafting powerfull rings, then getting craft guides seem an important step
18:09 jluc        ok
18:10 lumberJ     but then their are aditional craftguides within that craftguide to progress
18:10 benrob0329  lumberJ: remember we have like 3-4 different ways of changing a setting
18:14 lumberJ     thats fine, any way that works is okay with me. I appreciate your advice that the chat command is easiest and will suggest that in the future.
18:14 lumberJ     personally i found editing the the minetest.conf to be the most straight forward from the time i first started playing minetest
18:15 lumberJ     simply because it seems to be better documented than the chatcommands, at least from the angle that I happened to learn it
18:15 lumberJ     minetest.conf.example etc.
18:16 lumberJ     where if you run /help in game, it will tell you about /set but there is no easy way to know all the options
18:27 benrob0329  lumberJ: that's a fair point, there should be more in-game documentation
18:29 lumberJ     if the community gets settled on formspec framework i'm sure someone will eventually bust out a full gui settings menu
18:30 lumberJ     that seemed all up in the air last I was following those threads though
18:30 lumberJ     personally i wouldn't want to put a lot a time into it and then see the current forspecs get tossed out
18:48 benrob0329  lumberJ: we do have the all settings menu though
18:51 lumberJ     do you mean the the client setting in the main menu?
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23:57 p_gimeno    \o/
23:58 FrostRanger :D
23:59 sfan5       !op
23:59 sfan5       !deop
23:59 Unit193     Congrats!