Time  Nick        Message
02:36 galaxie     Is there such a thing as MineTest bots? Like client-side?
02:38 galaxie     I see there are mods like basic_robot but they look server-side and dangerous.
02:43 cheapie     basic_robot is.... well, let's just say I've seen it in use and it's best avoided :P
02:43 galaxie     Hmm, it appears basic_robot is actually client-side..
02:44 galaxie     What, accidentally destroying stuff you don't want destroyed?
02:45 galaxie     Is there safer alternatives?
02:45 cheapie     The person that seems to be behind it seems to be of the opinion that players (or at least "advanced") players are supposed to test everything they do in singleplayer beforehand to make sure it doesn't crash the server.
02:46 galaxie     Ah? Why not test it on your personal server? That would be better.
02:46 cheapie     Normally I'd recommend mesecons+digilines+pipeworks if you want to let players automate things.
04:52 jas_        omg https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=344358#p344358 yussss
11:59 jluc        https://www.spip.net/fr_article5716.html chourak
12:52 mount2010   Hello! Just wondering, is it possible to switch between games on Android (I don't mind messing with game files.)
12:53 mount2010   I've checked settings menu, tried setting the default_game setting but no luck. Minetest.conf doesn't seem to have a relevant setting
12:56 sfan5       you can create a world first, then change the game for the world
12:56 sfan5       in world.mt
12:56 sfan5       by editing it I mean
12:57 mount2010   Ah, alright. will that regenerate the world?
12:57 sfan5       no
12:57 sfan5       if you want to regenerate it, delete map.sqlite
12:57 mount2010   alright, thanks
13:02 mount2010   where would the game id be located
13:02 mount2010   (mineclone 2, looking through the files. mcl, mineclone_2 and mcl_2 doesnt work)
13:07 sfan5       it's usually the same as the folder name
13:08 mount2010   renamed folder to mineclone_game, working. thanks
16:25 BXS         Hello, small question for big guys :
16:26 BXS         i want to change KEY_LSHIFT key that sneak normally to other key
16:26 BXS         so i can take things from chests to inv and back with this key.
16:27 BXS         i tried to change it from settings but the inv automation doesnt work
16:27 BXS         do you know if its possible with some conf or its hardcoded on my client ?
16:27 BXS         thnx!
16:36 galaxie     Is there any way to run MineTest's traffic through a, say, SOCKS5 proxy?
16:36 rubenwardy  it's just UDP
16:38 galaxie     But is there some option somewhere I'm not seeing?
16:41 galaxie     I don't see any setting..
17:09 mmuller     galaxie: you can't do UDP over socks.  You'd have to use a VPN.
17:09 mmuller     and that would introduce some amount of latency
17:29 galaxie     Hmmm... what's the big difference between basic_robot and basic_robot_csm? One says it's for multiplayer, the other for client.. is the latter just for singleplayer or what?
17:30 rubenwardy  both will work on singleplayer
17:30 rubenwardy  the latter is only useful if you don't own the server
17:31 rubenwardy  the server-side mod API is the classic mod API, and used in 99% of mods
17:31 rubenwardy  the client-side mod API runs on the client, and is very limited
17:31 rubenwardy  singleplayer is actually a client+server
17:33 rubenwardy  when you start singleplayer, what actually happens is a server is started locally which only allows one player in - "singleplayer"
17:33 rubenwardy  then the client starts and automatically connects to that server
17:33 galaxie     I figured that's what happened.
17:34 galaxie     But from the CSM API, would it be possible to, say, move my player?
17:34 galaxie     Or auto-respond to chats sent to me?
17:34 rubenwardy  no to the former
17:34 rubenwardy  yes to the latter
17:34 galaxie     Why not the former? Limitations?
17:34 rubenwardy  yes, it would be a pain for anti-cheat
17:35 galaxie     So it's just not implemented, or is it sandboxed, or what?
17:35 rubenwardy  it won't be implemented
17:35 rubenwardy  not until we have server-side player movemen
17:36 rubenwardy  The aim of client-side scripting is to allow greater possibilities in games, and to reduce the affect of latency (ie: better carts)
17:36 rubenwardy  it doesn't really do that yet
17:37 rubenwardy  this is also a controversial area, some people including the developer that introduced it wants it to be a WoW wild west where anyone can do anything with their client
17:37 rubenwardy  but the plans for client-side scripting which existed long before that isn't about that
17:37 rubenwardy  !dev Client-side_scripting
17:37 MinetestBot No such page.
17:37 rubenwardy  !dev Client-side scripting
17:37 MinetestBot No such page.
17:38 rubenwardy  https://dev.minetest.net/Client_scripting_plans
17:38 galaxie     Would basic_robot_csm work on servers? Or was that the point of basic_robot?
17:39 rubenwardy  basic_robot_csm runs on the client, not the server
17:39 rubenwardy  so you can run it on your client and connect to a server
17:40 rubenwardy  basic_robot runs on the server
17:40 rubenwardy  in 5.0, servers can tell clients not to allow client-side mods
17:40 galaxie     And they obey?
17:41 rubenwardy  if they're unmodified, yes
17:41 rubenwardy  you can modify the c++ code and recompile to ignore that command
17:55 galaxie     Huh. I am looking at client_lua_api.txt and comparing it to l_client.h and it seems that the latter doesn't have all the methods shown in the docs. Does the client and server APIs share code? Where?
17:57 rubenwardy  there's stuff in builtin/
17:57 rubenwardy  and the API is also module based
17:57 rubenwardy  but IIRC the modules would be called in l_client.cpp
17:57 rubenwardy  like   ModSomething::Init(L)
17:59 galaxie     It doesn't appear to initialize any modules in the code there.
18:18 p_gimeno    galaxie: some SOCKS5 proxies can handle UDP, but I don't think MT has the option of using a SOCKS5 proxy
18:18 p_gimeno    if you're on linux, you could perhaps try redsocks
18:19 p_gimeno    I know the Tor SOCKS5 daemon in particular doesn't support UDP
18:36 galaxie     How do you load external.. they call them modules in Lua, right? in MineTest?
18:38 galaxie     I use luarocks
18:38 lumberJ     galaxie: require() or dofile(): https://www.lua.org/pil/8.1.html
18:39 lumberJ     if you are just learning lua it would be worth while to skim the free pil and manual on lua.org
18:40 galaxie     I meant, does MineTest load modules that are installed system-wide or do I need to somehow enable them or whatnot?
18:40 lumberJ     you will need to configure minetest to use outside libraries
18:41 galaxie     So like a setting somewhere??
18:42 lumberJ     minetest.conf and then in the mod using it you will have to use certain functions to access it
18:43 lumberJ     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4749
18:44 lumberJ     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L1491
18:45 lumberJ     i believe you need both of those but i haven't really done much with using outside libraries
19:08 Niwla_      Is talklounge on?
19:12 p_gimeno    I think you can't use require without requesting an insecure environment, but IIRC rubenwardy was working on a patch to fake it
19:13 p_gimeno    ah yes, #7621
19:13 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7621 -- Add secure require() function by rubenwardy
20:04 scr267      I find it unfortunate that some players still get conned into installing unofficial clients, especially for android... I'm going to add the following to my server's MOTD: "Official minetest: https://www.minetest.net/"
20:09 mmuller     do people publish clients containing malware?
20:45 sofar       quite likely, given app store versions with ads
21:31 paramat     !tell mount2010 in MT 5.0.0 you will be able to switch games in the official MT Android app
21:31 MinetestBot paramat: I'll pass that on when mount2010 is around
21:51 fling       Hello!
22:12 kaeza       Greetings.
22:33 entuland    hello everybody
22:33 entuland    I'm pretty sure I've seen travelnets with a sorting feature for stations in some servers, but for the life of me I can't find the repo with such a feature
22:34 entuland    or maybe I'm seeing it and I can't find the sorting feature mentioned anywhere
22:38 lumberJ     that maybe a custome feature entuland. my info might be dated, but last I checked the travelnet mod it didn't have any sorting. stations just appeared in the order they were set.
22:40 entuland    no it's just silly me not properly browsing the repo, lumberJ
22:40 entuland    https://github.com/Sokomine/travelnet has the move feature since more than one year
22:40 lumberJ     nice. good to know
22:41 entuland    yep
22:43 lumberJ     quick question for you, since you are on hand: (not having yet looked at the source code) would lua-matrix be a useful tool for varying what function gets called based on what face of node get clicked/right clicked?
22:44 lumberJ     for example if i had a node that brings up a formspec, would lua matrix provide a way to easily only have the formspec come up if i clicked on the front face of the node?
22:44 lumberJ     and otherwise I could build to the other faces of the node?
22:50 entuland    lumberJ: it definitely would
22:51 entuland    but not really the library, more the functions I implemented in my own mod
22:51 entuland    I only use the library to apply the transforms
22:52 entuland    the task of working out what face I'm pointing at and working out the relative other faces is in my mods' code
22:52 entuland    among all the ones where I use the library, the rhotator one is definitely the easier to inspect there and also the more up to date
22:53 entuland    there I replaced a silly text lookup with a proper integer-indexed table using code kindly shared by pgimeno
22:55 entuland    one of such function is this one, in particular: https://github.com/entuland/rhotator/blob/master/init.lua#L156
22:57 entuland    there I do some coord juggling to work out what are the back, the wrap and the thumb faces of the node, which refer to an imaginary hand (the back is the pointed to face, the wrap is the next face as if the node rolled away from you - direction of the fingers - and the thumb is one of the left-right faces)
22:58 entuland    right now I don't recall if I used a left or a right hand there
23:01 entuland    and if you're only interested in the front of the node, you most likely don't need any of that
23:02 entuland    also because from the point of view of my mods I don't really care about what's the "inner" front of a node
23:04 entuland    I'm only concerned of working out the face I'm pointing at and the nearby ones by deliberately ignoring the actual positive Y axis of the node
23:04 entuland    or, better said, by not having to worry about it, not really ignoring it
23:05 entuland    hope I'm making my point through, 36 hours awake are proving me and I should hit the bed probably :P
23:13 entuland    said in other words still, the core difference between the default screwdriver and my rhotator screwdriver is that the default one operates the node's orientation reference frame, whereas the rhotator does that from the world reference frame, for that reason you may probably not need matrices at all, and probably litle if none of the techniques I use in my mods
23:13 entuland    but since I'm having hard time understanding not only my own code right now but even what I'm writing here, I'll definitely call it a day
23:13 * entuland  waves