Time  Nick         Message
02:18 hecks        sfan5's server no longer seems to have the mingw libs needed to compile minetest
02:30 Xiong        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22002
02:31 Swedneck     ...what does that have to do with minetest?
02:44 Xiong        Swedneck, how can I answer you without insult?
02:45 Xiong        Minetest uses passwords to authenticate users.
02:46 Swedneck     well not insinuating an insult would be a good start
02:46 Xiong        There are many minor issues associated with this and much discussion... see issues on GitHub, see forum.
02:47 Xiong        All of which is discussing place settings in the dining hall on the Titanic.
02:49 Xiong        Swedneck, there is no good start. If I refuse to answer, it's rude. If I answer briefly, I am cryptic. If I anser at length, I'm condescending.
02:51 Xiong        I don't insinuate insult; I worry how to avoid it. And... you feel insulted. What can I do?
02:52 Xiong        I envy deliberate hard-hearted jerks. They sleep well.
05:32 Ruslan1      MarisaG:
07:24 hecks        Otter's rant got me started on this... https://a.uguu.se/rPQtyj720lj0_yourserversucks.png https://a.uguu.se/vo8L8wOOEUMW_yss_.png
09:15 hecks        https://a.uguu.se/TDnwGDhojJbJ_yss2.png
10:55 DuCake       Hello. Didn't see anything in the online logs about this in last couple of days - got this forum private message overnight, an "advert" for a "finally working" minetest 5.0 version, and to go to a non-official website. I doubt I'm the only one. https://pasteboard.co/HYwz0C7.png
11:03 Emerald2     You can report private messages so the forum staff can take a look at it.
11:05 hecks        Why would anyone even bother doing this
11:06 hecks        The game is free software, has probably less than a thousand desktop users, and most of them use Linux
11:09 DuCake       Sorry, forgot there would have been a button in-forum. Knee-jerk. @hecks to distribute a potentially nefarious binary, simply say, "download mine, it is better." Hence when I saw this, knee-jerked.
11:10 hecks        What I mean is, who would fall for that anyway
11:10 hecks        Anyway, I have a more pressing, serious question: How does one pronounce 'mese'?
11:11 hecks        Maysay? Meeze? This this the stuff that keeps people up at night...
11:13 DuCake       https://wiki.minetest.net/Mese_Block . With IPA pronunciation guide. Apparently it derived from a Finnish programmer slang for messenger apps. So like "messe" in "messenger?" ;-)
11:15 Emerald2     DuCake no worries. Good to let people know that PM is going around.
11:15 Emerald2     I've been saying mese wrong all along.
11:22 hecks        https://a.uguu.se/Hl3uIP3w1fQ1_memeblock.png
11:22 hecks        it's a mess, eh
12:00 ChimneySwift that's definitely OldCoder, don't visit that link
12:01 hecks        Sounds like some good drama, tell me more
12:08 ChimneySwift guy seems nice, gets all networked into minetest community, even offers to store forum backup, gets forum backup, goes crazy (or stops pretending not to be), tries to trademark "minetest", fabricates allegatons against many community members, it kinda blows over a bit but he pops up occasionally, still crazy, probably just a troll but wouldn't underestimate him
12:09 ChimneySwift that's partially what I've heard partially what I've experienced
12:09 MinetestBot  02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix wrong it minetest.po file 137bc61ee https://git.io/fhirA (152019-01-28T12:07:14Z)
13:37 MinetestBot  02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Cleanup translation files 13d9f5ff4 https://git.io/fhiDX (152019-01-28T13:35:41Z)
17:16 paramat      DuCake yes that PM is from 'OldCoder', avoid
17:18 rubenwardy   OldCoder has be banned from the entire community for spam and doxing, no need to waste time on worrying about it
17:36 rafalcpp     doxxing in MineTest community? wtf
18:22 kaeza        Greetings
18:43 ceda         how do I pass the httpApiTable to a callback called by minetest.register_on_dieplayer?
18:44 ceda         with minetest.after I can do minetest.after(time, function, http_api) but minetest.register_on_dieplayer(dead, http_api) does not work.
18:45 rubenwardy   you can store in a file local
18:46 rubenwardy   ie: have a local in the file with the callback
18:46 rubenwardy   then access it from the callback
18:46 rubenwardy   if it's in a different file, then you can pass arguments into dofile like so:
18:46 rubenwardy   dofile(path, http_api)
18:46 rubenwardy   then
18:46 rubenwardy   local http_api = ...
18:46 rubenwardy   that ... is a special keyword, btw
18:46 sofar        you need to pass register_on_dieplayer() a function?
18:47 sofar        yeah, what rubenwardy says
18:47 sofar        you need to store your http_api value as a local variable
18:48 ceda         so, if I have local http_api = minetest.request_http_api() in a file, any method in the file can access it?
18:48 ceda         function*
18:48 sofar        that's wrong, maybe we should find you an example
18:48 kaeza        dofile does not take parameters
18:48 sofar        err, I'm not reading properly
18:48 rubenwardy   yes
18:48 sofar        you can share variables through a namespace variable
18:48 kaeza        Use e.g. loadfile(path)(args)
18:49 rubenwardy   ah, I was thinking of return
18:49 sofar        if you only need the http_api from a single file, just use local http_api = minetest.request_http_api() in side that file, yes
18:50 ceda         so, this should work? https://bin.mkr.pw/~5c4f4ece1968bb26e76c8b3e
18:50 sofar        local function someone_died(player, reason) ... end
18:50 sofar        minetest.register_on_dieplayer(dead)
18:50 ceda         ok cool
18:50 ceda         thanks for the help
18:51 sofar        move local http_api to the top of the file
18:51 ceda         ok
19:35 entuland     not sure if I'm looking in the wrong places or failing to understand how that stuff works... I've seen different players with not only different skins, but also what seems to be different models (hats, hair, small animals) but all of that seems achieved with just one texture file - is that right?
19:41 ceda         why is reason empty everytime? https://bin.mkr.pw/~5c4f5ab91968bb26e76c8b3f
19:44 entuland     you get an empty table there no matter what?
19:45 ceda         yes
19:45 ceda         i tried killing myself in various ways (falling, drowning) but it is always empty
19:45 entuland     I see a doc page where that callback only passes one object (the player) but the api reference shows one with "reason" as well
19:46 entuland     perhaps tied to your minetest version?
19:46 ceda         i am on 4.17.1
19:47 entuland     this references another callback: https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html#minetestregister_on_dieplayerfuncObjectRefreason
19:47 rubenwardy   that's 5.0.0
19:47 entuland     so reason is only in v 5?
19:48 ceda         so, 4.x doesn't have reason?
19:49 rubenwardy   correct
19:49 ceda         thanks
19:50 entuland     weird, I always thought that the api of the modbook and of the repo were 4.x, not 5 - I must be wrong there
19:51 entuland     definitely: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/0.4.17.1/doc/lua_api.txt
19:59 ceda         btw why is that file named lua_api.txt instead of lua_api.md ?
20:01 * rubenwardy sighs
20:02 rubenwardy   can't find the issue
20:03 rubenwardy   but basically, you can't link to an exact line number with md
20:03 rubenwardy   !dev lua_api
20:03 MinetestBot  No such page.
20:03 rubenwardy   !book lua_api
20:03 MinetestBot  rubenwardy: Lua Modding API Reference - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html
20:03 rubenwardy   or
20:03 rubenwardy   https://pauloue.github.io/lua_api/
20:03 rubenwardy   second one is better if the search worked
20:03 rubenwardy   second may even become official
20:04 ceda         oh hmm
20:31 entuland     anyone any pointer about my question on skins and how to change the model's appearance (such as hats) - is it enough to alter the texture or does it need a new actual model?
20:34 NathanS21    Entuland if you want to add hats you'll need to change the model
20:34 NathanS21    well that depends actually.
20:34 NathanS21    if the hat will be like a knit cap there is already a layer on the model for that.
20:35 NathanS21    but if you want to add a brim to a hat you'd need to change the model.
20:35 entuland     uhm... I see, there is a part of the texture showing the hair which I can try altering and see what I can achieve
20:36 entuland     making smaller characters, such as a pet, would be just matter of keeping part of the texture transparent I guess, in a simple way
20:37 NathanS21    If you wanted to use the same model
20:37 NathanS21    you can change the scale of the model in code as well.
20:39 entuland     I see - mostly interested in changing as little as possible to customize the character in live servers I play in - not sure they'll accept a new model, most likely I'll be allowed just to submit the texture
20:39 NathanS21    ah, yes
20:40 NathanS21    you wouldn't be able to change the size either.
20:40 entuland     yep
20:41 entuland     and now I'm a bit puzzled by the fact that altering the default png doesn't seem to be applied - I just restarted the world, I'll try restarting the whole game
20:41 entuland     and for some reason my 4.17 on 3rd person view the head doesn't move... weird
20:42 entuland     wut... even restarting the game the altered texture doesn't get picked up...
20:42 NathanS21    are you using the 3d armor mod?
20:42 entuland     uhm... I'll try with a completely blank new world
20:43 entuland     blank new world picks up the new texture, head still doesn't move
20:44 NathanS21    what do you mean by the head doesn't move? Is it just completely stationary?
20:45 entuland     in some servers I play in, when I switch to third person view changing the aim changes the head position
20:45 NathanS21    I don't think the head ever moved outside of following the body's sway.
20:45 NathanS21    ah, that is from a mod, though I don't know which
20:45 NathanS21    I think it's probably some branch of the 3d_armor mod.
20:45 entuland     may be, yes
20:46 entuland     not a biggie, just looked off when I noticed
20:46 NathanS21    not sure why the texture would have been updating in your existing world.
20:46 NathanS21    Where the texture located that you edited?
20:48 entuland     the default one in the models folder of the minetest_game tree
20:48 entuland     to be precise: minetest-0.4.17-win64\games\minetest_game\mods\default
20:49 entuland     minetest-0.4.17-win64\games\minetest_game\mods\default\models\character.png
20:49 NathanS21    sounds like that should be right.
20:49 entuland     yep it's working in the blank world, the other I tested it on had various mods enabled and I have no idea if they mess with it
20:49 NathanS21    I have the dev version on my machine which seperated the player model and texture out of default, but for 4.17 that looks correct
20:50 NathanS21    Something in one of those mods must have been changing the texture for some reason.
20:52 entuland     yep, most likely - also because it seems the model is slightly different, doesn't seem to use the "helmet / hair" part of the texture, so to speak
20:57 entuland     oh this is funny - part of the texture works as a mantle aahahah
21:00 NathanS21    ya, the cape isn't used, not sure if it's even animated.
21:02 entuland     only slightly
21:02 entuland     it moves back and forth, but most likely it's just the effect of the whole character slightly tilting back and forth
21:46 rocky1138    Has anyone ported Minetest to the Switch?
23:07 DoyleChris   I have a problem with the client program.
23:08 DoyleChris   I go to make planks from tree trunks and it dosent give me planks.
23:09 NathanS21    Does it give you anything?
23:09 zaphraud     getting connection timed out EVERY TIME with EVERY SERVER since I installed this. Any idea why?
23:09 zaphraud     2019-01-28 15:08:22: ERROR[Main]: Connection timed out.
23:09 zaphraud     You put the tree trunk in just one spot right?
23:09 zaphraud     you gotta left click tho i think.
23:10 DoyleChris   i cant even make a pickaxe
23:10 zaphraud     or right click I dunno I always try all the mouse buttons cause its weird in this game
23:10 NathanS21    What mobs or game are you running?
23:10 NathanS21    Sounds like it might be some game that changes things up quite a bit
23:11 DoyleChris   i have the 2 sticks and 3 diamonds and no pickaxe come up.
23:11 DoyleChris   its on a server.
23:11 NathanS21    what server?
23:11 zaphraud     does it work locally? (I can't even connect to a remote server.)
23:11 NathanS21    Some servers really change things up for recipes.
23:12 DoyleChris   yes\
23:13 Emerald2     What server though?
23:15 zaphraud     ...ive been digging up all this gold and just now looked at the wiki. I can't make anything with it but blocks stairs and keys. lol oops.
23:15 zaphraud     theres no railcars yet huh?
23:15 DoyleChris   my own but my sons can make stuff connecting through a android
23:16 DoyleChris   my own server
23:16 NathanS21    Maybe try logging off and back on the server, 'cause that doens't make any sense.
23:16 DoyleChris   i did
23:16 Emerald2     Do you have a craft guide mod on there and it shows that's how to make the diamond pickaxe?
23:16 * Emerald2   has no idea what mods you have on the server.
23:17 DoyleChris   yes
23:17 entuland     the game still needs to communicate with the server to craft anything, DoyleChris, and if you're getting lots of disconnects, then it's most likely a connection issue
23:17 DoyleChris   it was working fine for me then it didnt
23:17 entuland     ah no the disconnects are from zaphraud
23:18 DoyleChris   so i logged in through my phone and it does the same thing.
23:18 entuland     zaphraud: there are rail carts, probably though they need an additional mod
23:18 NathanS21    on your phone it works?
23:18 NathanS21    I've never heard of anything like this.
23:19 DoyleChris   no its my account on the server
23:19 NathanS21    oh, so your account can't create anything?
23:19 DoyleChris   i logged in through my laptop to my sons account and it works
23:19 DoyleChris   yeah
23:19 NathanS21    did you accidentally revoke interact to yourself
23:19 NathanS21    check your privs with /privs
23:21 DoyleChris   ill check
23:22 NathanS21    I can't seem to revoke interact on myself in singleplayer so I can't test
23:22 DoyleChris   i have it
23:22 DoyleChris   can i create a new account
23:23 NathanS21    You should be able to, if its your server
23:23 DoyleChris   i cant get to the server locally im at my dads house
23:23 DoyleChris   i have server permission
23:23 NathanS21    hmmm, not sure then
23:24 NathanS21    I guess it all depends on if your server is set up to allow new players to connect.
23:26 entuland     DoyleChris: just try to log in with a different username, you'll know immediately if that works
23:28 NathanS21    If you can log in you can always give the new player the privs they should have with your account that has server privs
23:28 NathanS21    though both players will need to be online at the same time for you to do that.
23:29 DoyleChris   working on it
23:32 DoyleChris   added a new account
23:32 zaphraud     yeah I havent installed any mods on the localhost version of the game yet. Any recommendations on avoiding losing everything in a code fork?
23:33 zaphraud     or is that just a risk you gotta take with mods
23:33 NathanS21    Zaphraud installing mods will likely not break anything, and should anything bad happen you can just remove the mod
23:34 NathanS21    worst case you'll have some unknown nodes floating around.
23:34 zaphraud     also is there a cheat to allow luminosity when deep underground? I'd like to see how big some of these caves actually are.
23:34 zaphraud     oh ok
23:34 entuland     just make the gamma higher in the settings
23:34 NathanS21    And if you're really worried about it you can always backup your world folder before adding a new mod.
23:34 entuland     exit the world, enter the advanced settings, search for gamma, and push it from 2 to 3 or so
23:34 zaphraud     you can make luminosity zero visible with a gamma change?
23:34 zaphraud     ok
23:35 entuland     yes, even complete darkness can become visible with a gamma change
23:35 NathanS21    There is a mod that added glowing ores to light up caves as well.
23:35 NathanS21    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20507&p=326686&hilit=cave+light#p326686
23:36 zaphraud     oh yeah there it is. holy shit its beautiful thanks
23:37 entuland     some caves can be so large that you won't see the end of them in any case, even with the gamma change - you may need to increase the viewing range (on desktop you can alter that with + and - ) and eventually disabling the fog
23:38 zaphraud     yeah the ends are not visible but at least now I can see the ground, making it possible to know if I can jump over the edge. luminating caves was a fun game for a while but my curiosity eventually outweighed the challenge with these big ones
23:38 entuland     and if you want to have really freaking weird caves, you could check the caverealms mod
23:39 zaphraud     even boosting the view cutoff, it doesn't increase the range, i think the far side isn't generated yet?
23:39 entuland     the viewing range should also trigger chunk emersion
23:39 entuland     but I wouldn't bet on that
23:39 zaphraud     viewing ranges over about 150 don't have much effect.
23:39 entuland     may be
23:40 entuland     for cave dwelling, unless you fly, a nice other mod is the ropes one - ropes going down up to 450 blocks
23:40 zaphraud     yeah this is on a ubuntu desktop. Still dont know why it won't connect to anything remote.
23:40 entuland     you may have the ports locked
23:40 entuland     either on the machine or on the router, not expert on that matter
23:41 zaphraud     could be, maybe they are blocked here. I'll have to try logging in some other places
23:41 zaphraud     does the version number have to match to connect? I think ubuntu is one subversion behind the latest
23:42 entuland     I think they're somewhat permissive with version mismatches, not sure
23:42 entuland     I was able to connect to various servers using 4.16, 4.17 and 5
23:42 entuland     I mean, connecting to the same server from multiple clients
23:43 zaphraud     I dunno why they would block port 30000 outgoing tho.
23:43 entuland     and even there, you should get some message about the version mismatch, not a simple connection failure
23:43 entuland     oh well, routers can have pretty freaked up setups, and you may also be locked out from remote by your ISP, probably
23:45 zaphraud     yeah its the ports. cant telnet to 30000 on a random server i picked, but telneting to 80 and doing a GET / gave me HTML results. So there's that. Oh well.
23:47 entuland     if you have a mobile device with MT installed, connected to the same wifi, you can easily rule out whether it's the machine or the router
23:52 zaphraud     yeah uft allow 30000 didn't fix it. So it's either the LAN I'm on *or* the list of servers includes a lot of servers that don't accept connections from random people. No idea.
23:53 entuland     try to connect to skyblock or survival from VE, or to irhfussel's server - I know for sure they let me in
23:54 entuland     none of them should cut you out without any specific reason, in any case - they should allow connection from random people, they're there on purpose to let people play :)
23:58 zaphraud     Nope. Looks like I need a VPN oh well.
23:59 zaphraud     Gonna have to pay if I want to screw around at work lol
23:59 zaphraud     hey is anyone running one on port 80 or 8008 or any of those HTMLish ones by any chance? Those all go thru ...