Time  Nick         Message
00:28 Xiong        Well. Anyone have ideas about cleaning a dirt field? Grass tends to invade. Hard to see, hard to eliminate, hard to keep from returning.
00:43 swift110     hey all
00:55 Xiong        gabba gabba hey
00:56 Xiong        Forest firefighting is tough work.
00:59 Xiong        swift110 What do like best about mt and what would you most enjoy that it lscks?
00:59 Xiong        *lacks
00:59 rubenwardy   mobs
00:59 * rubenwardy runs
00:59 Xiong        ??
01:00 Xiong        Exists mobs mods. Runs?
01:01 * Xiong      confused
01:02 Xiong        Okay you like mobs. What about a feature not currently available?
01:04 Xiong        Guess he ran fast.
01:04 kaeza        mobs
01:04 kaeza        And mobs too
01:05 kaeza        Survival is no fun right now :-(
01:05 kaeza        Hunger would be good too
02:42 ircSparky    has anyone here used ReShade on minetest?
09:48 Taoki        Hey. I need a little help with something if anyone can let me know please.
09:49 Taoki        What's the easiest way to fill a cubic area (start pos to end pos) with a certain node, but using vmanip rather than minetest.set_node or whatever that was?
09:49 Taoki        I'm essentially looking for the same thing as "place schematic on vmanip", but where I can fill a certain area with one node most effectively.
09:50 Taoki        Note: It must support air as well, as I'm also using it to clear up spaces.
10:22 sfan5        Taoki: vmanip with the VoxelArea helper should be pretty simple once you have it figured out
10:30 Taoki        Thanks. Trying to figure out how to use the buffer parameter of get_data for performance improvement. The API doc only shows it should be an array, but how do I use it?
10:31 Taoki        Like if I put anything in there it automatically improves performance?
10:32 sfan5        if you have an array from a previous get_data() call, you can reuse it to avoid some table-creation costs
12:36 Taoki        Almost done fixing some issues. I'm stuck at one peculiar problem: It appears that area:iterp goes through the wrong set of nodes and does not change what it should.
12:36 Taoki        Looking at the iter example from https://dev.minetest.net/VoxelManip
12:37 Taoki        I'm doing the same thing as there but getting abnormal results
12:42 Taoki        Yeah: It's creating nodes at a higher position than where the loop goes. This is very weird.
12:43 Taoki        In most cases though it simply doesn't work.
12:53 Taoki        Yeah... in some cases it works but it's very random. I'm confused. Pondering whether it's MGV7 related.
13:06 ceda_ei      hi. minetest.settings["abc"] returns nil even though minetest.conf contains a line "abc = 1". Am i using minetest.settings wrong?
13:06 ceda_ei      also, is there a way to reload minetest in place without having to restart the server. e.g. in case I install a new mod
13:20 Taoki        Okay: No more problems when not using iter / iterp. Those two are broken.
13:25 Taoki        NVM: Seems to be unreliable without it too.
13:51 Xiong        ceda_ei See https://dev.minetest.net/Settings. I have no specific knowledge of this but I do know generally an OO API when I see it. And (again generally) OO believers have ideas about accessors.
13:53 Xiong        When you wrote appears to me as a little test code that assumes minetest.settings is a simple table... which yes is how I might do it but I'm not a software jock. I suggest you play ball and use the accessor functions.
13:58 Xiong        See: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.dagolden.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/20060117_whats_all_the_fuss.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiL_J21xYHgAhWILnwKHaA8AQMQFjABegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3pGuX4fgPtcFm38A9h1kUW
14:02 Xiong        That's a PDF overview of inside-out (=flyweight) objects. I'm not saying thus is what the high priests have done! But it does show how far some people will go to enforce encapsulation. Having eyeballed the API previously linked, I wouldn't expect your test code to work. Suggest you pass through the marked door.
14:09 Xiong        Dunno about your IRC client but mine messed up that first link. Here:
14:09 Xiong        https://dev.minetest.net/Settings
15:21 Taoki        Okay: Is it possible to define a schematic as a Lua table, and use minetest. place_schematic from it (without having to save a mts file)?
15:33 Taoki        Right: I understand that minetest.place_schematic and minetest.place_schematic_on_vmanip should be able to take a Lua table as a parameter instead of a filename.mts string. Can anyone confirm this is correct?
17:32 rubenwardy   Taoki: confirmed
17:32 rubenwardy   look at that schem mod for MTG items
17:33 rubenwardy   hmmm
17:34 rubenwardy   savechems
17:34 rubenwardy   saveschems
17:34 rubenwardy   !mod saveschems
17:34 MinetestBot  rubenwardy: Convert table schematic to .mts [saveschems] by paramat - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12011
17:34 rubenwardy   note that you don't actually need to convert to mts
17:46 Taoki        Back. Thanks!
17:46 Taoki        Gonna make some Lua schematics on the run for filling areas. The voxel manipulator is broken... spent over 8 hours today trying to get it to work, no success.
17:47 Taoki        Should report it as a bug but people are going to think it's something wrong in my mod, despite looking at everything I could possibly imagine to make sure it's not.
17:48 rubenwardy   :'(
17:48 rubenwardy   what issues?
17:48 rubenwardy   I've used the LVM extensively
17:50 Fixer        roses are red, violets are something, software has bugs, so do you :}
17:53 Taoki        rubenwardy: It's hard to explain around the complexities in my mod. Essentially I'm using this example to fill a cubic area with one type of node: https://dev.minetest.net/VoxelManip The result is that often times nothing happens, while at other times I see the nodes moved upward at an invalid position.
17:53 rubenwardy   sounds like you're calculating indices wrong
17:54 Taoki        The invalid position seems to have to do with the chunk's upper edge. My blocks spawn at around position 60 although the range I give the code often doesn't go over 20.
17:54 Taoki        I can pastebin the part with this code, it's relatively small... 1 moment
17:55 Taoki        https://pastebin.com/raw/07KV5ki4
17:55 Taoki        Note that I tested post_start and pos_end with print functions, so those are supposed to be fine.
17:56 Taoki        Oh... and io_vm_update simply does vm:update_map() vm:update_liquids() vm:calc_lighting() vm:write_to_map()
17:57 Taoki        In this use case voxelmanip is also given, so one can ignore the "if not voxelmanip then" parts (it's always true)
17:58 Taoki        But yeah: Let me know if you see anything I should change there. Because I looked at everything for hours and the results of that code are still a mess. If I can't solve it I'll just make table schematics on the fly (minetest.place_schematic works fine).
17:59 Taoki        Oh... and of course I get the vm from on_generate with: local vm, emin, emax = minetest.get_mapgen_object("voxelmanip")
18:01 rubenwardy   is voxelmanip definitely nonnil?
18:02 Taoki        Pretty sure it is. I'll add another debug print and test again to reconfirm
18:06 Taoki        Yeah, confirming it's never null
18:22 Taoki        Any thoughts what could possibly be wrong there? I'm pretty certain it must be an engine bug, I checked too well everything in my mod.
18:31 Taoki        Okay. Hmmmmm...
18:32 Taoki        It appears that another loop through the schematic somewhere else was interfering. I commented out an unrelated code and now it seems to work. Still need to test to make sure.
18:36 Taoki        Still does it but more rarely it seems. Those functions are really unstable.
18:45 Taoki        https://i.imgur.com/Mtw5GqD.jpg Here's a screenshot of what is happening. The layer you see floating above the roads is supposed to be spawned right under them. The positions in the loop are themselves correct, yet they still end up there sometimes for unknown reasons
18:49 Taoki        In some cases even trees spawn on top of them. I'm at a loss lol.
18:58 Andrey01_    can i use mesh in "bed_definition" table instead nodebox and also in "door_defintion" ?
19:48 DoyleChris   on raspberry pi, is there a way to stop the server, backup world and mods folder and rerun.
19:48 DoyleChris   all automatically
19:49 Taoki        Now I wonder how "if minetest.registered_nodes["default:cobblestone"] ~= nil then" could possibly not be true...
19:49 Taoki        Just tried that out and apparently that statement doesn't execute
19:49 DoyleChris   i know the copying ill run a program but, shutting down minetest and rstarting
19:55 Taoki        Anyone know how minetest.registered_nodes["default:cobblestone"] can be nil? Obviously doing that as a test, same issue for other ones.
19:57 kaeza        Trato
19:57 kaeza        Blah
19:57 kaeza        Taoki: does your mod depend on default?
19:59 kaeza        I.e. is your mod loaded after default registers the node?
20:04 kaeza        Also, it seems to be "default:cobble"
20:14 Taoki        kaexa: I set it to depend, and it's likely loaded after.
20:36 scr267       im having a bit of a hard time with teleporting pneumatic tubes.. anyone have experience with that?  The problem is my items going through the tubes appear to be teleporting... but don't appear on the receiving end.
20:37 scr267       Both teleporting pipes are setup with <player>:1 channels.     <player> being the name of my username on the server.
21:14 MinetestBot  02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix warnings about dungeongen.cpp memcpy() and unused variable in Map… 13bc1e547 https://git.io/fh25q (152019-01-22T21:13:06Z)
22:08 rodskagg     hi. i've read that minetest supports controllers, but my logitech f310 doesn't work. is it only certain controllers that do?
23:58 sofar        rodskagg: mine works, I think there is an option you need to enable first