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00:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04ClobberXD -> 03minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Add documentation of missing field to 'on_punch' (#8008) 13a318bce https://git.io/fhfhF (152018-12-22T00:32:27Z)
00:35 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Doors: New handle and hinges for glass door 13da10af9 https://git.io/fhfhx (152018-12-22T00:33:37Z)
01:44 scr267      paramat: sure
01:51 Xiong       Circular saw users may be interested in its application to lava work. Fill with your favorite working block... in this case I may switch to pumice but I like stone tile. Pull a stack of microblock from the first output: topleft, a quarter meter square panel of minimum thickness.
01:54 Xiong       This item has a number of peculiar qualities. Like all it fills the node so it excludes lava regardless of its small size. Unlike most things you can walk freely through the space it does not visually occupy. And unlike, say, a kalite torch, it is pointable.
01:56 Xiong       Using this device you can walk a straight, level path through deep lava. You require no support beyond your initial entry. And it's reasonably safe. No sneak required!
02:01 Xiong       Walk to the bare lava as far as practical and drop a tile (this microblock). Screwdriver it around so it is behind you... tile you lava. Actually you are sharing the node with the tile. Now you can point at this tile and place another... which will fill the node in front, displacing any lava. Repeat so both head and feet are protected and two more tiles are ahead. Rinse, repeat.
02:05 Xiong       You can theoretically pass these quarter-meter panels when they face you but it's better to screwdriver them out of the way. So long as you don't dig it, it continues to hold back disaster. You can even walk on such things but I recommend something more conventional: plain cobble or obsidian glass. A fast floor can be had just by flooding with water.
02:08 Xiong       Once you've progressed a few meters you may go back and attach whatever walls you please and remove the microblocks... so they aren't consumed. Check overhead first!
02:10 scr267      paramat: Done.
02:11 Xiong       Bonus: As you place tiles into lava you will often have a clear view of mineral goodies. You can mine right past the tiles and grab them. The only real danger is overconfidence. ;)
02:12 Xiong       Hi paramat! I too am done. What did you done?
02:12 scr267      Xiong: I was telling paramat that I'm done ;)
02:12 scr267      Xiong: Sounds cool your trick
02:15 Xiong       My usual confusion, scr267. What done did you?
02:15 scr267      Xiong: bah, nothing important ... just opened an issue about minetestmapper's performance.  :)
02:17 Xiong       Hm. Best to port that thing. We don't all have capability to run arbitrary Python scripts.
02:18 scr267      Oh I was referring to the CPP version :)
02:19 Xiong       Same same. Put a front end on it, package it for users.
02:20 Xiong       ... port to Android be nice....
02:21 scr267      yeah
02:25 Xiong       Grrrrrr. A mouse has got into the headliner of my station wagon. I have decided it got in through a pillar, along a wire run. I'm not happy to share.
02:25 Xiong       Also unwilling to rip out headliner.
02:26 scr267      :-/
02:26 scr267      That's rather annoying.
02:26 scr267      I'm off for a bit... going AFK...
02:26 Xiong       Enjoy!
02:27 Xiong       *exunt*
07:30 triplehx3   who would i need to msg in order to reset my user/pass on the forums as i forgot them :)
07:48 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Android: Fix memory leak when displaying images in the mainmenu (#8011) 130990ddb https://git.io/fhJLB (152018-12-22T07:46:41Z)
16:36 MinetestBot 02[git] 04numberZero -> 03minetest/minetest: mapnode: add const/noexcept (#8009) 13309e158 https://git.io/fhJCZ (152018-12-22T16:36:24Z)
17:01 Xiong       Well. Has anyone experience with gloop? I suspect it/them in connection with the changes to water-lava interaction. After all, gloop adds pumice and basalt generation.
17:05 Xiong       I see water balk and fail to flow smoothly over lava... oddly, with a straight edge. When water source is sunk into the surface of lava source, only the five orthogonal neighbors are quenched to obsidian... not the diagonal neighbors. What's up?
17:05 VanessaE    those behaviors are intentional.
17:06 VanessaE    including the non-smooth flow
17:07 VanessaE    not checking diagonally is a holdover from a while back, to allow technic geothermal gens to have water on two sides and lava on the opposite two sides.
17:08 Xiong       Is this all gloop?
17:08 VanessaE    gloopblocks*
17:08 VanessaE    and yep.
17:08 Xiong       There's also a glooptest.
17:08 VanessaE    glooptest just adds some ores.
17:08 VanessaE    (and makes iron and coal generate in desert stone)
17:09 Xiong       Does glooptest also add the k torch?
17:09 VanessaE    yes.
17:09 VanessaE    if I remember right.
17:09 Xiong       Hm.
17:10 VanessaE    that one's nekogloop's mod and afaik isn't actively maintained.  gloopblocks was his, too, but I maintain it now.
17:10 VanessaE    (but since glooptest still works fine, there's nothing to maintain)
17:10 Xiong       Pumice... and double geothermal output... is a high price to pay for the effect on mining operations.
17:11 VanessaE    *shrug*
17:11 Xiong       Well, I can't shrug it off. I'm the guy who's gotta dig.
17:11 VanessaE    it also adds a "protective layer" over the lava cooling code - it's impossible to grief with
17:12 VanessaE    (in any manner that's effective anyway_
17:12 VanessaE    )
17:12 Xiong       ?
17:12 Xiong       I don't understand the mind of wreckers.
17:13 VanessaE    in default code, when lava and water meet, they form obsidian or stone, but those nodes are just the same old default terrain nodes.  with gloopblocks', pumice et. al have distinct node names when generated versus when dug and placed.
17:14 Xiong       In any case I'm alone in my world. How can I return matters to... an approximation of normal?
17:14 VanessaE    so if someone pours water/lava all over the place, worldedit can remove them and their pumice, basalt, or obsidian without disturbing the terrain or structures built with those materials.
17:15 Xiong       K torches are good. I see no merit in the other ores or gems. Pumice and basalt have limited uses but are nice.
17:15 VanessaE    to get back to "normal" I would need to add configuration options to gloopblocks to alter its normal behavior.
17:16 Xiong       I was thinking more of hacking away.
17:16 VanessaE    comment-out the lava cooling section them
17:16 VanessaE    then*
17:16 Xiong       Config is nice but sometimes overdone.
17:16 VanessaE    or if you just want smooth flow, change the interval and chance values in the ABM
17:17 VanessaE    (to 1/1)
17:17 Xiong       It's strictly one section in gloopblocks?
17:17 VanessaE    yeah, should be
17:18 VanessaE    I have that random/messy flow set because imho it looks more natural than smooth flow.
17:18 Xiong       I suppose that'll kill pumice too.
17:19 VanessaE    if you comment-out the cooling code, yeah.  won't remove the node, it'll just stop generating.
17:19 VanessaE    but before you do that, just change the chance and interval to 1/1.  see if that suits your needs
17:19 Xiong       Random is fine. But balked water won't cross it's edge, no matter how long I wait.
17:21 Xiong       The diagonal issue interferes with mining ops. How to cut down in lava? Instead of a solid obsidian shaft around the water, I end up with a chopped mess.
17:22 Xiong       The + shapes on the surface of a lake don't tile well and are inefficient of time.
17:22 VanessaE    that can be fixed also.
17:23 VanessaE    bah humbug :P
17:24 Xiong       Well. I fancy myself creative and adaptable when it comes to ops of all sorts. I just don't see a clean approach. It could be argued I've had it too easy all these years but it didn't seem that way.
17:24 VanessaE    I know how to fix it, no big dela
17:24 VanessaE    deal*
17:24 VanessaE    just never bothered.
17:25 VanessaE    (no one ever asked)
17:25 Xiong       Well, up to you. For my purposes, one fix is to unload both gloops. This is an extreme approach.
17:26 VanessaE    *shrug* your choice of course.
17:26 Xiong       I do like the k torches. But the gem rubbish is just a distraction... without apparent benefit.
17:27 Xiong       I fear gloop adds a few really nice touches... that should have been put in different mods.
17:28 VanessaE    gloopblocks is my random nodes mod
17:28 VanessaE    stuff gets put there for a reason - making a mod just for one or two nodes that don't DO anything is kinda wasteful imho.
17:30 * VanessaE  wanders off to take a nap.
17:31 Xiong       Yes you and I have different viewpoints. When I play I do decorate sometimes but mostly everything is functional. I'd never write code for purely decorative purposes. I realize that's a stark view.
17:32 * Xiong     follows VanessaE's example
18:02 MinetestBot 02[git] 04stujones11 -> 03minetest/minetest: Android: Fix start-up crashes on version 4.x (#8003) 13b8b33a6 https://git.io/fhJ8e (152018-12-22T18:02:00Z)