Time Nick Message 05:41 jas_ !mod 05:41 MinetestBot jas_: Prevent new accounts from joining [nonew] by taikedz - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=19720 10:06 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Make showOverlayMessage strings translatable (#7964) 138471d02 https://git.io/fpdRu (152018-12-13T10:05:38Z) 10:22 MinetestBot 02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Network: Send IEEE floats (#7768) 13839e935 https://git.io/fpdRS (152018-12-13T10:20:57Z) 17:50 Xiong Has anyone recent experience with bobblocks? Original author seems to have left the building years ago; VE worked on it a little ~2017. Forum posts, a theme is "I forked it to..." and I wonder if there's a working copy. 17:51 rubenwardy ah, nostalgia 17:51 VanessaE dreambuilder has the most up-to-date copy afaik 17:52 Xiong What I installed, works strangely. There is only one craft for a basic block, and they're colored by punching by wielding dye. 17:52 VanessaE or look on my gitlab, I think I have an eqivalent fork of if 17:52 VanessaE that's old 17:52 Xiong Hi VE! 17:52 VanessaE current code uses crafting like usual, or airbrush 17:52 VanessaE hi 17:53 Xiong The key issue is, a new crafted block cannot be recovered after placing. 17:55 VanessaE how do you mean? "'recovered" in what way 17:56 Xiong If the block is off, digging it recovers an unk-junk. If the block is on, the dig turns it off before recovery. I have worked around this by putting a glass block on top then using the technic mining drill to dig... which digs both without punching the bobblock. 17:57 Xiong Recover into inventory for reuse. 17:57 VanessaE sounds like you just need to update everything. :) 17:58 Xiong Well... update what? All my installs are very fresh. 17:58 VanessaE MT 0.4.17.1 or 5.0-dev, bobblocks, unified dyes (from the correct repos) 17:59 Xiong I think rabbibob's bobblocks is stale. 17:59 VanessaE very. 17:59 VanessaE get it from the minetest-mods group or my fork 18:00 VanessaE lemme search.... 18:00 Xiong Okay so... no need to fiddle with the rest of my good working system. I mean to try your bobblocks. 18:00 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest-mods/BobBlocks. 18:01 VanessaE that's the right one 18:01 Xiong I did not try that yet because... comparing... it appears rabbibob pulled you. 18:01 Xiong That's why I'm here asking. 18:02 VanessaE yeah he updates kinda randomly but afaik not since a long while 18:03 Xiong Let me shuffle around and try from VE version. 18:03 VanessaE still no internet at home so while I can't do any testing 18:03 VanessaE -while 18:04 Xiong Let me see what I get. I find bobblocks useful. 18:26 VanessaE Xiong: well? :) 18:32 Xiong Well, works. I'm not surprised. It works a bit oddly... but then it must, I guess, if it's going to come in 89 colors. 18:34 Xiong Punch while wielding dye to set color. Digging appears to recover the colored block but it places plain again... and the dye is itself recovered. So good. Can't dwibble over how many of each color to stock 18:34 VanessaE try 256 colors :) 18:34 VanessaE did you update unified dyes? 18:35 VanessaE from my gitlab report 18:35 VanessaE report* 18:35 Xiong Well, the downside is need to stock dye. Don't usually take dye Below. 18:35 Xiong Fresh install of UD. 18:35 VanessaE REPO. you piece of shut. :) 18:36 Xiong Android is messy. I have an installer... uncertain how it works. 18:36 VanessaE no it ain't. current UD does not dye by punching with dye 18:37 VanessaE it only dyes by crafting or using the aitbrush tool 18:38 Xiong Well... that's odd. I'd have thought the punch-color was a trick of bobblocks, not UD. 18:38 VanessaE nope 18:39 Xiong I really dislike manual install. My phone is... unsuited to adult work. 18:40 VanessaE afair only technic framed glass had its own punch-with-dye implementation, otherwise all mods got it from UD 18:40 Xiong What I have works. What do I gain by trying a manual install of UD? Besides newer and cooler. 18:40 VanessaE it'll fix your bugs. :P 18:41 VanessaE such as placing plain 18:42 Xiong Er... so it'll be back to stocking multiple colors. Is that certainly better? 18:42 VanessaE and anyway if you're now eying manual installment what were you doing before 18:42 Xiong Hang on... 18:43 VanessaE that's how it used to work before param2 coloring was a thing so i don't see a prob 18:43 Xiong https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rubenwardy.minetestmodmanager&hl=en_US&referrer=utm_source%3Dgoogle%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_term%3Dminetest+mod+installer+play&pcampaignid=APPU_1_TKgSXNedIL3K0PEPpeK_6AM 18:44 Xiong Yuk, sorry. 18:44 VanessaE plus in creative mode you can dye blocks with the airbrush without needing ANY dye in your Inc 18:44 Xiong Never a creative player. ;) Hardcore all the way. 18:45 Xiong So rubenwardy's app installs mods with less fiddly... and usually does well. I have no idea how he gathers search targets. 18:46 rubenwardy using Krock's mod search 18:46 rubenwardy which has been down for the last few months, because changed URL 18:46 rubenwardy it'll also still be pointing at github instead of gitlab 18:47 Xiong Obviously I can download and install by hand. It's just nasty. Android is hell, or jail, or both. 18:47 Xiong Okay I've been out of the loop. What's with GitHub? 18:48 Xiong All my work is there. Is the ship sinking? 18:48 Krock oh.. need to update the database again? 18:48 VanessaE but I can't really do *that* until my home 'net comes back 18:48 VanessaE oops lagged out 18:48 rubenwardy Krock: I need to change mine 18:49 rubenwardy specifically: https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtmods4android_server/blob/master/crawler/settings.json.example#L6 18:49 VanessaE ok so at least nothing *I* did[n't do] broke it. :) 18:49 Krock I had HTTP 301 on it for a while but yeah.. scripts sadly don't update automatically 18:50 Xiong Oh hell. M$. 18:50 Xiong So everyone is fleeing GitHub now? For reason. 18:51 Xiong Nono VE. You fix, not break. 18:51 VanessaE a lot of people fled yeah 18:52 VanessaE M$ comes in, I gtfo 18:52 Xiong Well this just makes it that much harder to identify the really truly current version of anything. 18:54 VanessaE yeah.. 18:55 Xiong Any newcomers here... VanessaE has been at this a long time. If you are wondering about a mod, consider VE the standard. 18:57 VanessaE me? standard? ehhhh idk about that 18:58 Xiong I don't usually endorse. But VE has worked tirelessly to fix one trick ponies, orphaned and stalled mods, and package them up so they Just Work. I don't mean to slight her original work... but anyone can add new cool features. I respect maintenance programming... very highly. 18:58 VanessaE well, thanks :) 18:59 VanessaE "VanessaE, queen of the one-trick ponies" heh 19:01 Xiong Hm. VanessaE, your byline is one of the few things I rely on when trying to sort stuff. I talk and think before I act, so I came here scratching my head about bobblocks. But I'd already scoped out your version and trying that was my next action anyway. 19:01 VanessaE :) 19:02 Xiong Well. These flash-in-pan mods that add one really cool node... and possibly 5 idiot ideas. You mainstream these things. 19:04 Xiong For my money, drop the bobblocks traps. What kind of dad says, here some pretty color lights... and spikes to impale people? 19:06 Xiong ... mumble. Anyway... let me surf over to GitLab and get new UD. I'm sure it won't hurt... except to cause me to curse Android again. 19:09 Xiong Do you know this phone is the only device I've owned for which I had to specially download a plain text editor... and pay Real Cash Money for one without ads? I've paid more for better in years past but there is NO basic editor in my phone. 19:10 * Xiong wanders off ranting 19:13 VanessaE you shoulda. got iota 19:13 VanessaE jota 19:13 VanessaE its free and ad-less 19:14 VanessaE also I've been stuck on this G*d damned phone for 4 days. I'm going nuts 19:16 Xiong https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2178 19:17 Xiong This points from VE to GitLab... but still says punch to color. 19:17 VanessaE I'll fix that comment later 19:17 VanessaE remind me in a few days? 19:20 Xiong I would... but I will not promise what I can't deliver. I forget to tie my slip-ons. 19:20 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Add docker image documentation (#7969) 139e36a88 https://git.io/fpdPo (152018-12-13T19:19:19Z) 19:20 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Add an activeobject manager to hold active objects (#7939) 13eda3510 https://git.io/fpdPK (152018-12-13T19:18:54Z) 19:20 VanessaE or I'll fix it now 19:25 Hidan Hi there. One question about farming. i dont use any mods. do need cotton plants and papyrus sunlight to grow up? 19:25 Krock yes 19:25 Krock and hello :D 19:25 Hidan hi :) 19:26 Krock well, you could also use a very shiny light node 19:26 Krock but those would have to be directly on the side of the plant (or on top) 19:27 Hidan can i use mese lamps? 19:28 VanessaE Xiong, fixed. the recipe for the airbrush is wrong though... that *will* have to wait 19:29 Krock mese lamp has light level 14. https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L2739 19:30 Krock cotton needs 13 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/farming/init.lua#L61 --> works 19:30 Hidan damn wanna go farming at underground :P 19:30 Hidan ok cotton will be underground :) 19:30 Krock papyrus eneds 13 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/functions.lua#L229 --> works 19:31 Krock how about try&error? that's also a method to figure it out 19:32 Hidan ok ty very much. i like this community. have nice day :) 19:33 Xiong VanessaE no go. I installed UD from your gitlab... cannot color bobblocks at all now, crafting or punching. That's your version of bobblocks too. 19:34 VanessaE wat 19:34 VanessaE impossible 19:34 Xiong I have not tried airbrush. If that's only creative, do not want. 19:35 VanessaE airbrush works in survival as long as you have dyes somewhere in your inv 19:35 VanessaE it will only paint using the colors you have on hand 19:36 Xiong Well you can blame that I installed inferior versions before. Have I cleaned out every trace? New crafted bobblocks stack with old ones. Newly crafted dye stacks with existing. 19:37 * VanessaE is confused 19:37 Xiong I'm putting bobblock and dye in grid. Shapeless? Tried a few positions. Unified inventory is silent. 19:38 * Xiong tries airbrush 19:39 VanessaE check the bobblocks github pull request tracker, maybe one of my commits is not merged yet? 19:44 Xiong No, UD is not loading at all now. 19:45 VanessaE basic_materials 19:45 VanessaE UD needs brass from it 19:45 Xiong I have checked. Folder named "unifieddyes". Enabled. 19:45 Xiong ?? 19:46 VanessaE i mean install basic_materials too 19:46 Xiong Dependency not error? 19:46 VanessaE yeah 19:46 Xiong What about technic brass? 19:46 VanessaE if UD wont load that's probably why 19:47 VanessaE technic gets its brass from basic_material also. 19:47 * Xiong fiddles 19:47 VanessaE (If youre up-to-date) 19:49 Xiong Well I've crafted brass already. But no basic* in mods. 19:49 VanessaE it'll still work when you craft with it but UD still requires basic_materials 19:50 Xiong Oky. 19:50 VanessaE (that mod has aliases to prevent breakages) 19:52 Xiong I miswrote. VE UD is on GitHub. 19:52 VanessaE negatory 19:53 VanessaE gitlab. 19:53 rubenwardy VanessaE, not sure if you saw: working fractional distillation column, for splitting crude oil into things https://i.rubenwardy.com/ctXjd.png 19:53 rubenwardy including naphtha to make plastic 19:53 rubenwardy still majorly buggy 19:53 VanessaE rubenwardy, nice! 19:55 VanessaE rubenwardy, I presume you have clear_craft calls to override basic_materials' recipes? 19:55 rubenwardy yes 19:55 VanessaE +1 19:56 rubenwardy my basic_materials compat is here: https://github.com/rubenwardy/oil/blob/master/products.lua#L1-L27 19:56 Xiong Argh! 19:56 Xiong https://github.com/minetest-mods/unifieddyes 19:56 Xiong That's shite? 19:57 VanessaE description = "Paraffin wax" ought to be in basic_materials so that you can avoid that override.. PR? 19:58 VanessaE Xiong, that is the wrong report 19:58 VanessaE repo * 19:58 VanessaE *all* of my mods are on gitlab. always go there first 19:59 Xiong Okay. "VanessaE", no results on GitLab. 19:59 VanessaE wat 19:59 Krock wat. https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/ 19:59 VanessaE moment 19:59 Krock maybe login required? 19:59 VanessaE thanks, Krock 19:59 Krock I'd say that's a ninja'd :P 20:00 VanessaE login required? I doubt it? 20:00 Xiong Nah, bum search tool. https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/basic_materials 20:00 VanessaE yeah yeah just exploit my handicap :P 20:01 VanessaE Xiong: et. al, yeah. 20:01 Xiong Did you get married, divorced, transgendered, or hijacked 20:01 VanessaE wat 20:01 Krock I think they mean the name change 20:01 Xiong Yah. 20:02 Krock The Great Evolution Of VanessaE 20:02 VanessaE ... 20:02 rubenwardy maybe 20:02 VanessaE married, then widowed. 20:02 Krock whatever. does not interest me.gn peeps :) 20:03 rubenwardy the issue is that basic_materials conflates paraffin wax and paraffin into one thing. Paraffin wax is a solid material used for candles, Paraffin is also known as kerosine and is used as jet fuel, but happens to be close to naphtha which is used to make plastic 20:03 rubenwardy this makes my head hurt 20:03 rubenwardy finding it hard to get good information on this 20:04 VanessaE rubenwardy, its always supposed to have been wax. 20:04 rubenwardy oh cool 20:04 VanessaE I think homedecor uses it for candles in fact 20:04 VanessaE (if it doesn't, PR welcome) 20:05 VanessaE besides you can't begrudge me a little creative license given the game's limits. :) 20:07 Xiong I'm not one to poke in personal details. I was just confused. 20:07 rubenwardy it does use it for candles 20:07 Xiong I have installed basic_materials. Going to try it. 20:08 VanessaE Xiong, and no hijacking either. :P 20:08 Xiong Erm... condolences for late partner. Sorry I'm inept and tactless. 20:09 VanessaE thanks. 20:18 Xiong Okay... now I have two brass ingots, different things. Still cannot craft colored bobblocks directly, will try airbrush... when I make some brass2. 20:19 Xiong Dunno if the brass thing can be fixed by updating technic, UD, *.* 20:20 Xiong But time for my nap. So thanks VE, I'm started. Will bash on it after $work. 20:55 Fixer !rainbow ｃ　ｏ　ｌ　ｏ　ｒ　ｉ　ｚ　ｉ　ｎ　ｇ 20:55 MinetestBot 4ｃ　ｏ7　ｌ　8ｏ　ｒ3　ｉ　12ｚ　ｉ6　ｎ　13ｇ 21:09 rubenwardy !rainbow ｃ　ｏ　ｌ　ｏ u　ｒ　ｉ　ｚ　ｉ　ｎ　ｇ 21:09 MinetestBot 4ｃ　ｏ7　ｌ　8ｏ 3 u12　ｒ　6ｉ　ｚ13　ｉ　4ｎ　ｇ 21:09 rubenwardy !rainbow ｃ　ｏ　ｌ　ｏ u　ｒ　ｉ　s　ｉ　ｎ　ｇ 21:09 MinetestBot 4ｃ　ｏ7　ｌ　8ｏ 3 u12　ｒ　6ｉ　s13　ｉ　4ｎ　ｇ 21:14 mmuller I am continuously amazed by the capabilities of plain old color-xterm. 23:17 jluc !rainbow oh c'est joli: 23:17 MinetestBot 4oh 7c'e8st 3jol12i: 23:18 swift110 sup folks 23:19 VanessaE hi 23:25 swift110 how are you VanessaE 23:26 VanessaE exhausted 23:26 jluc !rainbow good night all people and other creatures 23:26 MinetestBot 4good7 nig8ht a3ll p12eopl6e an13d ot4her 7crea8ture3s